Retired military chaplains are claiming that it will be impossible to serve both the armed forces and God if they can’t preach that homosexuality is a sin. It is the retired chaplains that are speaking out because, they claim, their active duty brethren would be open to charges of insubordination if they went public.
Worshiping another God is also a sin, but the Constitution protects those who worship another God. Are Muslims, Buddhists, and atheists to be made second class members of our armed forces because they don’t share the same faith as the chaplain?
These chaplains took an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Part of that Constitution is the right to worship other Gods. Chaplains are honor bound to support a member’s right, to sin. They knew that going in. Why are they suddenly so upset about a different sin?
This is a secular nation. A secular nation needs a secular armed forces. We must guard against turning our armed forces into an Army of God. If these sky-pilots can’t abide by their oath, bye-bye.
H/T New York Times
-David Drumm (Nal)
Now THIS is the ultimate whine…
The Chaplains of the military should not be trying to tell the Military what to do. I am not worried however, because Sen. Elect Rand Paul will just say a prayer or two to Aqua Buddha and he/she will straighten out those wayward chaplains.
“Actually there has been a steady movement for years by American Christianists to dominate the military. They flood the military academies and intimidated nonchristians of any kind (some of this peaked out at the AF Academy a few years back but was hushed up quickly). They have been moving like-”thinking” officers into positions of command.”
I’m not one to typically panic-monger, but this has always been something that truly does frighten me, especially since it’s kept so quiet that it’s largely unopposed. What other reason could there be to seek to dominate the military other than to one day militarily dominate the rest of us?
I agree with the first comment… isn’t it the role of the military clergy to minister to the needs of the troops and their families and not to “preach” about their biblical interpretations?
To all you saying that a military chaplain is an oxymoron, and that Christians should be peaceful, let me introduce you to Jesus.
http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_teachings_of_jesus/on_family/lk12_51.html
And
http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_teachings_of_jesus/on_peace/mt10_34a.html
The Bible is the ultimate example of “Mama Always said.” It’s so self contradictory that you can find justification for just about any view point you have. Want to be a peace loving hippy? We’ve got a JEsus for that
Want to justify the death penalty, we got a Jesus for that too.
Christianity has nothing to do with Jesus and everything to do with Constantine. It’s been a big lie since The First Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D. wherein the Christological question was finally addressed and the first ecumenical decision was made as to the merging of the human (Son of Man) and the divine (God the Son).
To use a biblical metaphor … Jesus is the Garden of Eden; Christianity is the exile from said Garden.
Actually there has been a steady movement for years by American Christianists to dominate the military. They flood the military academies and intimidated nonchristians of any kind (some of this peaked out at the AF Academy a few years back but was hushed up quickly). They have been moving like-“thinking” officers into positions of command.
Further evidence of my belief that most of modern Christianity is “all Commandment, no beatitude,” Moses and not Jesus. It’s like Kurt Vonnegut said, could you imagine a widespread movement to post the beatitudes in public places? Blessed are the merciful in a courtroom? Thou shalt not kill is okay to post though, as it doesn’t apply to the state but only its citizens.
Homosexuality IS a “sin”, but it is nincompoops like these ex military clergy who don’t treat it that way, do they?
Name one sin, other than homosexuality, that precludes the sinner from getting married according to the religious right!
No, they don’t treat homosexuality as a sin, they put it in its very special category. Heck, you can be mass-murdering, lying, stealing, envious, God-cursing, false witness-giving, atheistic philanderer – break every one of the Ten Commandments – and there would be absolutely no objection to you marrying a thirteen-year-old so long as they were the opposite gender.
Lying hypocrites.
Blouise
Unless an army worships deities like Ares or Mars, the term “military chaplain” is an oxymoron on the level with “a just war”.
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…or “compassionate conservatism.”
“This is a secular nation. A secular nation needs a secular armed forces. We must guard against turning our armed forces into an Army of God. If these sky-pilots can’t abide by their oath, bye-bye.” (Nal)
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Unless an army worships deities like Ares or Mars, the term “military chaplain” is an oxymoron on the level with “a just war”.
Bibles at Bagram
Hunting People for Jesus in Afghanistan
I’ve posted the following video at the Turley blog before.
Note: There’s a short advertisement at the beginning
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVGmbzDLq5c&fs=1&hl=en_US&rel=0]
http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/11/03/5401001-these-people-won-in-iowa
How about we institute a DADT policy on religion in the military?
Hmmm?
It’s a different story then, isn’t it, you theocratic bastards.
Bud wrote:
“Retired military chaplains should be claiming that it will be impossible to serve both the armed forces and God if they can’t preach thou shalt NOT KILL….”
A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy.
-Benjamin Disraeli
I misread what you wrote — I saw what I wanted to see. So much for hope.
Thanks, SM. A little hope from you this sunny, yet gray, morning in NY.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/03/AR2010110300948.html Three Iowa Supreme Court justices who supported gay marriage ruling were removed from office.
Retired military chaplains are claiming that it will be impossible to serve both the armed forces and God if they can’t preach that homosexuality is a sin.
Retired military chaplains should be claiming that it will be impossible to serve both the armed forces and God if they can’t preach thou shalt NOT KILL….
OOOPS silly me.
god told George Bush to invade Iraq..
Is that the role of chaplains in the military…to preach to the troops? I thought their role was to minister to the needs of the troops. Isn’t there a difference?