Gingrich: I Will Arrest Federal Judges

Former House speaker Newt Gingrich appears to be running against the Constitution as much as against President Obama these days. Gingrich has been promising to round up judges who do not agree with him — statements that have even conservative figures like Michael Mukasey, former attorney general during the George W. Bush administration, denouncing him. Mukasey was the attorney general who blocked prosecutions into torture, but finds Gingrich truly scary. I am currently scheduled to be on Hardball tonight to discuss this latest attack on the judiciary.

On CBS’s “Face the Nation,” Gingrich indicated that he would call judges who hand down controversial opinions to appear before Congress to answer for their transgressions and would send federal law enforcement to arrest judges failed to appear.

It is the latest attack on the judicial branch — attacks that led Mukasey to denounce his proposals as “dangerous, ridiculous, totally irresponsible, outrageous, off-the-wall and would reduce the entire judicial system to a spectacle.”

Here is one of the exchanges:

SCHIEFFER: Let me just ask you this and we’ll talk about enforcing it, because one of the things you say is that if you don’t like what a court has done, the congress should subpoena the judge and bring him before congress and hold a congressional hearing. Some people say that’s unconstitutional. But I’ll let that go for a minute.
I just want to ask you from a practical standpoint, how would you enforce that? Would you send the capital police down to arrest him?

GINGRICH: If you had to.

SCHIEFFER: You would?

GINGRICH: Or you instruct the Justice Department to send the U.S. Marshal. Let’s take the case of Judge Biery. I think he should be asked to explain a position that radical. How could he say he’s going to jail the superintendent over the word “benediction” and “invocation”? Because before you could — because I would then encourage impeachment, but before you move to impeach him you’d like to know why he said it.
Now clearly since the congress has….

SCHIEFFER: What if he didn’t come? What if he said no thank you I’m not coming?

GINGRICH: Well, that is what happens in impeachment cases. In an impeachment case, the House studies whether or not — the House brings them in, the House subpoenas them. As a general rule they show up.

It is the very definition of demagogy to dangle out the image of judges being clapped in irons to satisfy citizens angry over decisions by judges. Article III is designed to guarantee independence from people like Gingrich so that judges can rule in favor of the Constitution and, yes, at times take positions disliked by the majority.

Source: Washington Post

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747 thoughts on “Gingrich: I Will Arrest Federal Judges”

  1. Temper, temper, bongwater.

    Even your buddy Bron will tell you that I don’t advocate violence and I don’t love the government. He might even tell you I’m deeply dissatisfied with our current government. That is, after all, one of the few things he and I have in common. Unlike you, I just happen to recognize the necessity of government in society. You can’t even cogently speak for yourself or properly define your own politics without showing the fatal contradictions in your thought process, so pardon me if I laugh when you try to speak for me about mine.

    It’s really funny.

  2. Its you who have no fucking idea what you are talking about. Its flat out ignorant to claim its necessary to initiate aggression and coercion against everyone to protect them from aggression and coercion. Its simply false. Its empirically proven false. There is far more private arbitration done than in the government injustice system. And this isn’t even beginning to consider the influences of a truly unregulated, unlicensed, untaxed free press combiend with free market rating agencies telling consumers which agencies provide the best value, the private insurance agencies which would use actuaries to estimate risk and set premiums and which would and do satisfy claims for crime immediately and then go after the criminal or their insurance-arbitration agency, etc. You are extremely ignorant as is typical of a fascist scumbag that thinks its okay for his system, his heroes, to go around pointing guns at everyone to achieve his fucking social goals. You are a violent pig with no respect for individual rights, which is exactly why you fit in perfectly with all the rest of the fucking tyrants that love the US government and all its total, absolute evil. Fuck you and fuck the USA.

  3. I didn’t say you were a corporatist.

    I said you aren’t really an anarchist and that you don’t have a clue as to what you are talking about, both of which are true statements.

    The rest of what you say is gibberish.

    Now why don’t you and your sister/mother go make the next generation of mental deficients and continue the family tradition.

  4. LMAO at the fascist ADMITTING this system is headed toward corporatism-fascism, even as he wants to define it, and then calling me, someone who advocates abolishment of limited liability and thus corporations as they exist and corporatism-fascism of being a corporatist. He is such a fucking moron he doesn’t realize he is a corporatist, just wants to favor certain ones over other via regulation, subsidization, taxation, licensing, etc [which restricts free entry, raises prices, and increases movement toward cartelization and monopolization. The fact is the entire bill of rights has been voided, just as all rights where voided and all power given to hitler, the “president” is murdering Americans for speech without an attorney, warrant, charges, or trial, let alone a jury trial, they are bombing more than a half dozen countries, warmongering with several others, and bullying the entire world, intruding on our privacy in massive form for example the tsa, fisa, patriot act, email, facebook, twitter surveillance, indefinite detention, torture, rendition, concentration camps, Oh, right, lets give the 4th Reich more money and power to regulate people, give the psychopaths more power. Thats going to fix everything. Some regulations you can’t produce, cant pass, and cant enforce which will be written by the very corporate lobbyists and banksters you allegedly hate but continue to support 100% in policy. You are a total fascist authoritarian scumbag, and a moron. They go hand in hand.

  5. You are a total fucking moron. There are numerous examples of private law systems dealing with contract law, again, without the intervention of government. Government is not the only form of social organization, you fucking imbecile.

  6. Al,

    ““… fascism in essentials is the pretense of private property with ultimate control over disposal and usage in the government.”
    Somewhat disguised socialism. Nominal private ownership – your name is on the deed – with near-total control by the state’s bureaucracies.”

    That’s not socialism. Socialism comes in many forms including different forms of ownership, including cooperative private/governmental enterprises, common ownership, direct public ownership or autonomous State owned enterprises. It may include only select market sectors leaving the rest of the markets to other mechanisms like regulated free markets (see the democratic socialism in Sweden and England) and is demand driven in the controlled market sectors.

    “In most industrialized nations the state is controlled by the corporations”

    This is the very portrait of Italian Fascism and what we are headed toward today in this country. It is not democracy. It’s a form of oligarchy.

    “and the corporations are controlled by the state.”

    Not under Italian Fascism they aren’t. Corporations in that system dictate the imperatives of the state based upon their profit motives. It is a production/profit driven model.

    “The same cliques that control the corporations run the government. Or you can look at it that the same people who controlthe government run the corporations.”

    This is a common feature of all forms of fascism.

    One system controls portions of the market for the public trust, the other controls portions of the markets for private profit and allows profit motives to dictate policy. Socialism can be democratic, but fascism is inherently anti-democratic.

    Both are statist governments, but that is an irrelevant point. All forms of government except anarchy are inherently statist . A state is necessary to write/codify and administer laws and to form a system for dispute resolution no matter what form of government it is, from monarchy (where the will of the King is the embodiment of state power) to democracy (where the will of the people is the embodiment of state power) to oligarchy (where the will of the few is the embodiment of state power). All forms of government require a mechanism of operation, ergo, all governments are statist. The primary difference is where the power of the state resides, but the basic mechanics (codification, enforcement and dispute resolution) remain the same.

    As to your statement “what I get from your post is that anarchy cannot exist (except perhaps if alone on a desert isle). There just aren’t enough people nice enough for a totally unregulated human community to exist.
    Even really nice guys like me have to be told what is expected of me for me to know how to behave”? That is correct. Rules are a necessity of society because man is wolf to man. If we were a cooperative instead of a self-predatory species, laws (and much of the functions of government) would not be necessary.

    *************
    Bongwater,

    “Again, private aggression-coercion-fraud insurance integrated with private arbitration and private defense would simply be far more efficient, far more just, far less oppressive, and far more responsive to the demands of the consumers, the people. Its a system based on contracts,”

    Contracts which rely upon government to be enforceable in lieu of personal force to be enforceable.

    Again, showing you’re an alleged anarchist who is relying upon a mechanism that requires government and courts to enforce, ergo, you are not an anarchist. Without enforcement by the courts, contracts are merely suggestions and the guy with the biggest gun takes what he wants leaving you holding the bag or dead in a ditch. You don’t know what you are other than a rebel. You go, Rebel Without A Clue. You go.

  7. Again, private aggression-coercion-fraud insurance integrated with private arbitration and private defense would simply be far more efficient, far more just, far less oppressive, and far more responsive to the demands of the consumers, the people. Its a system based on contracts, not the irrational belief that you must INITIATE violence against the entire society by stealing-extorting-enslaving them in order to prevent violence. Its a contradiction in terms. Be robbed so you won’t be robbed. Put people above the law so you can have law. Etc. You are brainwashed morons.

  8. Self defense does not violate the non-aggression principle, thus anarcho-capitalist are the most heavily armed group in society of course, by far, percentage-wise. Anarcho-capitalism in no way ensures everyone will be peaceful. It is exactly because we know power corrupts that government is immoral. Government is funded by taxation, which is theft-slavery, forcing people to work for others. Just because fascists tyrants think its justified doesn’t change the fundamental fact that its continued extortion and slavery of the entire society. Anarcho-capitalism, again, is a comprehensive system of free market services and commodities that would deal with crime far, far more efficiently and effectively than the present insane system where the slaves pay to house, feed, clothe, educate-indoctrinate, give medical care, etc to the criminals and where there are far more peaple in prison for committing political “crimes” like not paying taxes, or smoking pot, or selling cocaine, or possessing a gun without all the fucking immoral restrictions checked off according to the tyrants, and on and on. TRILLIONS of unjust laws. No one can ever count all the rules, let alone read them. Its your system that is ridiculous. The profit-loss-bankruptcy regulations of the free market work. Politicians are just bribed, coerced, or murdered.

    1. I have been reading your comments for sometime now and as I may have said before; I find there is alot of truth in what you say. I’m not at all sure I can go all the way to Anarcho-Capitalism but I would like you to answer a couple of questions if you don’t mind so that even a slow old Country Philosopher like myself can understand your vision.

      As I understand it, your plan is to completely do away with government of any kind.
      1) Is that correct?

      “Self defense does not violate the non-aggression principle”

      This is not so tough. I agree with the statement both in the case of personal defence and that of nations.

      2) Without a Government; what is your plan for National Defence?

      or: 3) Do we discard the notion of National Identity altogether?

      if not: 4) Who would be ultimately responsible for Defence and to whom?

      5) How would you enforce this accountability?

      and in the case of no national Identity; 6) how do you defend against a co-ordinated attack by a professional Army?

      “It is exactly because we know power corrupts / that government is immoral.”

      Certainly Power Corrupts. And I can’t disagree that our Government is immoral.
      I don’t mean to split hairs but I think a couple of definitions are in order.

      Government as it is understood today = an authoritative body which decides laws and policies; enforces same; and provides services such as trash removal, fire protection, mail delivery, water and sewer systems etc.

      (“Police Protection” is way too much of an oxymoron to even discuss and could hardly be called a service in the form that it exists. More like a blight; a tool and a symptom of the corruption)

      For my purposes; I will seperate the two halfs as follows:

      Government = an authoritative body which decides laws and policies; enforces same

      Public Service System = provides services such as trash removal, fire protection, mail delivery, water and sewer systems etc.

      I will agree that the Government; any Government is immoral by virtue of the fact that aside from being corrupted by power; it is the nature of governments to set moral standards and attempt to make decisions for the entire population that are rightfully left to the individual and to enforce those edicts to the detriment of society and the futher corruption of that government.

      I would also say though that a properly organized and run Public Service System can be operated without the danger of corruption.

      “Anarcho-capitalism, again, is a comprehensive system of free market services and commodities”

      7) I would like to hear a more detailed decription of your vision of this comprehensive system; how it would perform the various functions of the former “Public Service System” or what services would be provided; how they would be paid for and co-ordinated for maximum efficiency etc. Yes?

      “that would deal with crime far, far more efficiently and effectively than the present insane system where the slaves pay to house, feed, clothe, educate-indoctrinate, give medical care, etc to the criminals”

      8) Again I would like details as to how crime would be handled as efficiently (not that that would be an accomplishment) or more efficiently if possible. So; how would you do this?

      “people in prison for committing political “crimes” like not paying taxes, or smoking pot, or selling cocaine, or possessing a gun without all the fucking immoral restrictions checked off according to the tyrants, and on and on.”

      And on and on and on. No doubt. Here we are in complete agreement. no more to say.

      “TRILLIONS of unjust laws. No one can ever count all the rules, let alone read them. Its your system that is ridiculous.”

      Again; no questions or disagreement. The system is way beyond ridiculous. It is a system designed solely to populate the government owned slave labor facilities that the Government calls Prisons. This system is responsible for ruining the lives of more Americans than Carter’s got little Liver Pills. Regular Americans who were going about there normal business and living their lives according to their conscience and beliefs but who were judged criminal because their personal choices.
      Choices that are no one’s business to decide or regulate but the individual citizen.

      So that’s it for me. i hope you find time to answer my inquiries.

      “””

      1. Nice, angrymanspeaks. It is critical to start with an admission that the present system is beyond repair, absurdly unjust and totally evil. The fact that NONE of the fascists, not even those in “power”, fully approve of this system or the fact they would prefer it operate in a fashion more in line with THEIR fascio-socialist principles is irrelevant. The same was true of ALL Italian fascists and Nazis. All authoritarians think it should be their system and rules imposed by force on everyone, for their own good. In reality, their attempts to take over the system, via voting or whatever, merely strengthens the fascist system, gives it the false appearance of consent.

        I linked to several books discussing the issues you raised in your questions. To fully answer them, I would have to fully describe the operation of an ancap system, which would obviously take a LOT of writing. Still, I don’t mind trying to answer honest questions from someone willing to seek freedom. National defense is an oxymoron in an ancap system of course, since there would be no nations. But, defense can be accomplished, and is right now, through self-defense, private aggression-coercion-fraud insurance, private company rating agencies, a free press, and private arbitration and private security. Your questions are very general however, so its tough to know where to start and this post is already getting long. Perhaps some hypothetical examples of criminal situations and how an ancap system would deal with them would be more helpful for you. I think so. Go ahead and ask some hypotheticals and I will explain how the system will deal with them. But, I will conclude by saying that ALL commoditied and services have been, currently are, and are more far more efficiently provided by free market business. Private roads, domestic postal delivery and numerous others had to be OUTLAWED by government in fact since govenrment couldn’t compete- see Lysander Spooner’s private postal service for example. Private roads and turnpikes were the norm before the socialist counter-revolution to the American revolution. More arbitration among business disputes is conducted privately than through the injustice system already as companies find it far more efficient and cheaper. Companies form contracts for arbitration in their other contracts and then agree in the contract to submit to 3rd party arbitration or pay certain penalties, etc. There is no end to the power of the contract, the free press and voluntary consumer purchases-boycotts, and ostracism, particularly business ostracism toward “outlaws” who violate their contracts, commit aggression or coercion, or carry no insurance. Again, describing an entire social system, to those brainwashed by government indoctrination, cannot be done in a couple paragraphs. Fire away with a hypothetical.

    2. “There are numerous examples of private law systems dealing with contract law, again, without the intervention of government. Government is not the only form of social organization …”

      Yeh, and they all function within an overall system of organized armed force. Like the Hutterites. They can live as they do, in unarmed, nonresistant colonies on hundreds of millions of dollars of farmland, without suffering much molestation BECAUSE the sheriff (law enforcement agency) won’t tolerate people preying on them whether they ask for his protection or not. All it would take would be one person who would go to them and start raping the women (or men, if so inclined), taking the colony’s stuff, burning the buildings, killing whoever they wanted, and total nonresistants would be helpless. They wouldn’t cooperate but they wouldn’t actively fight. Some might run. With no sheriff a criminal would have free rein.
      Their current problem is how to allocate the $5 million surplus sitting in their bank. No, they don’t keep their cash sitting in piles in the colony business office, as it would attract bandits. So they avail themselves of other protections of the “system.”
      If there was no sheriff available, like in one county in SW Montana where the total law enforcement amounts to one sheriff and one state poilceman for many hundreds of square miles, and the neighbors banded together to come to their aid, that would constitute a posse comitatus (county militia), the basic organ of … government! Not a “private law system.”

  9. “If communities didn’t use force in deffense against those who use illegal violence, the communities wouldn’t exist.”

    A;,

    A-C has had this fantasy since he was a little boy five years ago. Why would you want to destroy the dreams of a child? For shame.

  10. Bron: “Many think our politicians and others who just work for government are selfless individuals dedicated to the “general welfare”.”

    Yeah, I’ve heard a bureaucrat refer to himself as a “public servant” and then he and the rest of his fellows laughed.

  11. Bron: “I know many people who have been stockpiling gold, silver, food, guns, ammunition. And these arent nutty survivalists either. They are financial types and competent businessmen who are literally scared shit-less by all of the uncertainty.”
    And most of them won’t be ready if a bandit finds out they are stockpiling such stuff. All it takes is to go to the stockpiler, buy a gun and some ammo from him, shoot him and take the rest of his stockpile.
    Hope these financial and business types are ex-special forces types. Even they as individuals no longer in organized units under military discipline are at a severe disadvantage against bandits. Sure, if a bandit looks like a movie Pancho Villa others wil be forewarned. But if the bandit comes neatly coiffed and wearing a Brooks Brothers suit with an Armani tie and Guccis (which he stole from another guy down the street), will he be on guard?

  12. Gene, what I get from your post is that anarchy cannot exist (except perhaps if alone on a desert isle). There just aren’t enough people nice enough for a totally unregulated human community to exist.
    Even really nice guys like me have to be told what is expected of me for me to know how to behave.

  13. Anarcho-capitalist: “There is no right to commit violence against other people.”

    Sure there is. If “violence” is legal/lawful violence, we call it “lawful force.” I have the right to use lawful force on those under my authority, to compel them to conform. Taken to extremes, which is what anarchy is, as you so state, I couldn’t even yank my 3 year old out of the street to keep him from being run over. He thinks it violence and I call it “lawful force.”

    If parents didn’t use force their children wouldn’t survive gestation. (That’s how we get out of our mothers: we are all rammed through an orifice three sizes too small and then forced to eat. Or someone cuts her open and yanks us out.

    If communities didn’t use force in deffense against those who use illegal violence, the communities wouldn’t exist. Bandits, who don’t believe in your anarchist shit at all, but are happy to meet people who do, would overrun those who are totally nonresistant. True-believer Quakers, Amish, Hutterites, etc., would all be robbed, raped and/or murdered if others who don’t believe in nonresistance didn’t stand ready to come to their aid despite their refusal to so much as cry out for help.

    If the Hutterites and Amish lived up to their profession of total nonresistance, anyone who so wished could use their women (or men if so inclined) as free whores at will. If the abuser could put up with the preaching. Cut her throat would stop that. But they fll back on that the “English” (non-anabaptist) laws mandate that they report felonies to the sheriff, so they do that much.

    Then the sheriff, who certainly isn’t a nonresistant, comes with his gunmen (posse comitatus = power of the county (sheriff)) to try to capture the miscreant.

    That most people, as a supposed anarchist friend claims, would not abuse nonresistants even if they were totally assured that no one else would find out, does not fix the problem. All it takes is one abuser out of millions of decent people to make life miserable for nonresistants. And the ratio is nowhere near 1:1,000,000.

  14. Like I said, you two please continue as if you have a clue as to what you are talking about.

    It’s funny.

  15. LMAO at the fucking fascist talking proudly of his evil martial law having, patriot act using, warmongering, government enslaving the entire society to achieve his wonderful fantasy of equal reward without equal work. He is a pure fascist. His authoritarianism is always justified and as long as he can fantasize the totalitarian system following his will, he’s down with it.

  16. Bron,

    “I think Gene H truly wants limited government but he also wants people to be taken care of and thinks government can do it without becoming tyrannical.”

    You grossly mistake “taken care of” as being the same thing as doing what is required to have a stable, peaceful and long lived civilization, however, tyranny is checked in a true democracy by having power vested in the people. If by being a small d democrat who thinks government can be and should be used to improve people’s lives makes me a Utopian, then sign me up. However, maximizing rights while maximizing utility of government are not mutually exclusive and attainable with the cultural will to do so. Maximized, however, does not mean absolute. Utopia – an ideal community or society possessing a perfect socio/politico/legal system – does not exist in reality and never will. To expect perfection is to expect the impossible. It is at best an aspiration, a goal. So in that respect, I could never be a Utopian. Reality will always be imperfect. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to maximize rights, utility and the happiness of citizens though. Although a Utopian society is not possible, there is no reason we shouldn’t seek a Eudaemonic society – where the greatest good for humans (all humans) is the goal of government. Eudaemonia doesn’t require the perfection of Utopia, but it does require doing what is required to have a stable, peaceful and long lived civilization. Like making sure clean water and public sanitation are available, that food is both safe and no one starves, to make sure everyone has access to health care and medicine, access to education, and a roof over their heads. Even then, not everyone would be happy, but their suffering (which in turns breeds more suffering) would be mitigated and mitigated in such a way to make society have the basic safety nets it needs to flourish to the point we can all evolve and get off of this rock and to the stars. Now I may or may not be right on how to get to a Eudaemonic society – only time would tell because much of what I propose has never been done in earnest before but what has been done (such as economic policy following the Scandinavian models) has worked to create happy stable societies.

    Anarchy is tyranny of the strong over the weak. Free markets results in tyranny of the wealthy (plutocracy) or the corporate (fascism). I know without a question that you two are wrong and the paths you’ve chosen lead to tyranny based on what history tells me. Anarchy has never worked – it is inherently antithetical to social stability and progress of any sort – and fascism and plutocracy simply fail because like all oligarchical systems, when they inevitably become unbalanced in placing the desires of the few above the needs of the many, the overwhelming numbers of the underclass will rise to destroy the overclass.

    But you two please continue as if you have a clue as to what you are talking about.

    It’s funny.

  17. Inflation isn’t in check. The US is in the middle stages of a hyperinflationary depression. Inflation, from the Austrian-school and practical view, is an increase in the monetary supply. Prices of commodities can go up and down for many reasons beyond just increases in the money supply. There can be counter-inflationary forces that overwhelm the inflationary forces, for instance increased productivity as we see in the mostly unregulated electronics industries. However, in industries the government regulates a lot, like food, oil-gas, banking, “education” [indoctrination], health care, the injustice system, the postal service, the police thugs, the military, their interference decreases productivity and thus reduces the counter-inflationary forces in that regard and in fact focuses them on those industries. This is all due to a breakdown in the connection between consumer and producer, the lack of the ability of government to perform economic calculation, their interference with the preferences of the consumers, the fact that you can’t fire them for incompetence or evil, etc.

    During the early and middle stages of a hyper-inflationary depression, inflation only appears with each surge in the acceleration of the increase in the monetary supply. This new money, doled out to political favorites and the real powers, is quickly absorbed in the corruption that the fascist system enables along with the malinvestments caused by the fact they are contrary to the consumer’s wished and thus cannot be sustainable, cannot make a profit in the long run, and because the new money lowers interest rates and thus fools entrepreneurs into investing in bigger and longer projects then they can really afford, which becomes apparent as prices rise.This is what causes the credit-expansion fuel boom to go bust. It was a fraud from the start, based on counterfeit paper currency. But, money is a medium of exchange. It is not wealth. Printing currency redistributes wealth from the middle class to the very rich. But when prices rise or the acceleration of the inflation ceases, the boom must collapse. The collapse is the cure. The longer is continues to inflate and accelerate inflation, the worst the inevitable bust must be. All that corruption and malinvestment must be liquidated. The bigger it gets, the bigger must be the liquidation.

    The apparent deflation we see is simply the absorption of the new currency in corruption and malinvestment and will in fact stimulate them to soon start accelerating inflation again to prevent them from going bust or tightening their belt. Thats the next round. How many rounds till runaway price increases? Maybe one more cycle or two…

    1. “Public service system?” What? Drop dead; I ain’t gonna pay. Now you either FORCE me not to use whatever system you have gotten together to provide or FORCE me to pay.
      Now it’s ….. gummint ag’in.
      This is one of the few nations in which nonpayment of taxes is criminal. In most, the only crime is trying to prevent the revenuers from grabbing your assets to sell to pay the tax. Hiding assets, shooting revenuers, etc. But not just simply declining to pay.
      And the arrogant claim that just because I was born here, I must worship according to the state religion. Phooey on them guys.

  18. aNARCHO:

    The government of the US has robbed us of our savings, that is for sure. I am surprised inflation has been kept in check. The other thing I am surprised about is people are still using their credit cards.

    Krugman and others think consumption will restart the economy but it wont. When the bill comes due and the interest rates start rising, which is inevitable, it is going to be a bloody mess. In the last 6 years gold has gone from 600 to around 1600 an ounce. People think that is a good investment, not exactly, that is the decrease in their purchasing power. And that is just about right, a pound of sirloin used to cost me about 2.99 bucks and I could get it on sale for 2.49 sometimes. It now costs around 5.99 and I think 4.99 a pound is a good price.

    I know many people who have been stockpiling gold, silver, food, guns, ammunition. And these arent nutty survivalists either. They are financial types and competent businessmen who are literally scared shit-less by all of the uncertainty.

    What I hope happens, as opposed to your total meltdown, is that we are once again allowed to use gold and silver and other metals as money. I am pretty sure people do it now and if offered, I would certainly take a weight in gold for my services. Steve Forbes had an article or a video saying it was all most inevitable that would happen because of the mess that has been done to the currency in the last decade.

  19. Yes, its an matter of education. As long as the majority of society remains ignorant and continues initiating aggression and coercion to achieve their utopian, as you point out, fantasies, we will be stuck with a monopolistic mafia protection racket from which we are robbed in order to fund paper-pushing, blood-sucking attorneys, banksters, bureaucrats, warmongers, cameras on our roads, trillions of bills of attainders daily, fisa, concentration camps, torture, militarism, imperialism, nation-bullying, martial law, presidential murder of american citizens without a jury trial of their peers, and on and on to near infinity. Then, after they rob us, oppress us, and terrorize us and the entire world making everyone hate us, they have the fucking nerve to demand more money!

    Anarchy could be achieved through minarchy in a step by step methodical process of privatizing one government monopoly at a time. But this system must collapse first. Fortunately, that collapse is very near. There are simply too many people and too much flow of information for governments to play the scam anymore. And, they have, through fractional reserve banking and fiat paper [counterfeit] currency, eaten the savings of several generations of American productivity, about 40 years worth, all to prop up unsustainable investments for which the consumers would not have voluntarily spent their money on and thus on things they don’t fucking want. The global greatest depression is coming, the correction to this runaway malinvestment- the cure. It will wipe out the nation-states. Then, we must make a better future.

    1. “Then, we must make a better future.”

      Uhh, what? Suppose I don’t agree with your idea of a better future. Shoot me? Maybe I’d better knock you out and put a collar and chain on you before I find out the hard way what your idea of a better future is – it might be for you to put a collar and chain on my neck. Or just go ahead and shoot me.

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