First, Einstein was right. Then he was wrong. Then he was right due to a loose wire. Now he may have been wrong due to an oscillator. Many of us would just throw up our hands and say everything is relative with Einstein, but scientists at OPERA say that a second equipment problem may have led to a too conservative reading of the 730-kilometer journey of the neutrinos reported by the European Organization for Nuclear Research or CERN.
The oscillator is used to provide time stamps to synchronize the GPS systems which measure the travel time. The scientists believe that the oscillator problem may have canceled out the cable problem . . . and that the little neutrinos did move faster than the speed of light — beyond the cosmic speed barrier of 186,282 miles per second (299,792 kilometers per second). That would contradict Einstein’s theory. So I guess we have to treat Einstein like a big dummy again . . . absent another loose cable or spilled coffee cup.
I am just waiting for a finding that neutrinos are sentient with a wicked sense of humor . . . and hovering around 299,791 kilometers per second just to mess with us.
Source: CBC
@Bdaman: I mean come on Hansen is an expert and he says the upper safe limit is 350.
I am a scientist, I have no respect for the label “expert.” Get over your parental complex or inferiority complex or whatever it is, Hansen doesn’t get to make proclamations any more than I do, and anybody that takes such proclamations on faith has removed themselves from the debate, as far as I am concerned, they aren’t thinking for themselves so their opinion doesn’t matter.
Let Hansen show his work and his experiments and prove to me 350 is THE safe number. Until then, it looks to me like 85% of the Holocene was leveled out at 275 ppm, give or take 10%, and that is my convincing data, and thus that is my safe number.
True or False:
1) Bdaman thinks we are in the third grade.
There is one question on this quiz. Please keep your eyes on your own paper; do not ask the proctor for hints. You have two minutes. Show your work for partial credit where that is appropriate. You may turn your papers over and begin … NOW.
Again thanks Tony
“I do not believe 350 is a safe level. I would strive for the high 200′s’
According to Climate expert James Hansen
If humanity wishes to preserve a planet similar to that on which civilization developed and to which life on Earth is adapted, paleoclimate evidence and ongoing climate change suggest that CO2 will need to be reduced from its current 385 ppm to at most 350 ppm…If the present overshoot of this target CO2 is not brief, there is a possibility of seeding irreversible catastrophic effects.
~ James Hansen et al (2008) Source http://co2now.org/Future-CO2/Targets/carbon-targets-for-humanity.html
I think 200 is to low. I’ll split the difference with you and raise you ten and go with 285.
Ok now that we got that out of the way, I mean come on Hansen is an expert and he says the upper safe limit is 350. What exactly will getting CO2 down to 285 or even 200 keep us safe from?
Seeing how there were some devastating tornado’s the last couple of days lets do a true or false
1. Tornado’s are increasing in overall numbers
2. The number of F5 tornado’s are increasing
3. Toto is not from Kansas
4. The deadly tornado’s yesterday and the record number last year are due to Climate Change.
5. Tornado’s spin counter clockwise
@Bdaman: Do you know what that is?
I have a good idea, see HERE and HERE.
I do not believe 350 is a safe level. I would strive for the high 200’s, which is where we were for most of the Holocene. I think 350 is an arbitrary figure, there is no particular evidence I am aware of that makes 350 “safe” and 355 “unsafe.” The assertions of scientists absent their detailed reasoning does not convince me, I take all such statements with several grains of salt. Data convinces me. The EPICA data convinces me.
Tony thanks for the comment,
“The default action should be to return to the natural average conditions and concentration levels that have prevailed since the last ice age, we know that is survivable territory. ”
Do you know what that is ? the natural average conditions and concentration levels that prevailed since the last ice age,
Do you know of a reason or why 350ppm is considered to be the so called “Safe Zone” see 350.org
@Bdaman:
The default action should be to return to the natural average conditions and concentration levels that have prevailed since the last ice age, we know that is survivable territory.
When lives are at stake the burden of proof is on changing the norm; the default action is not to barrel forward into the unknown on the grounds that nobody can prove with certainty it is dangerous.
When lives are at stake we assume the unknown is dangerous, and we need the opposite: A guarantee of safety, statistical certainty that continuing the current highly unusual action (versus a hundred thousand years of past action) is not dangerous.
That is a much different statistic, you do not risk the future of humanity on 19:1 odds, the vast majority of us would not risk our own lives on such odds.
As I mentioned up thread
Green Germany: Half A Million Families Sitting In The Dark
http://junkscience.com/2012/02/23/green-germany-half-a-million-families-sitting-in-the-dark/
It is the shape of things to come. Not only will you be paying $5 plus for gas. Under Obama’s plan electricity rates are about to skyrocket. Ya’ll better hope he doesn’t get reelected.
GenOn to shut 7 U.S. Mid-Atlantic coal power plants
By Scott DiSavino Feb 29 (Reuters)
GenOn to deactivate 3,140 MW of generating capacity. Gas fired plants displacing coal in record numbers More than 25,000 MW of coal to retire over decade
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/29/utilities-genon-coal-idUSL2E8DT88V20120229
Finally, something on this thread that I know about…. But fish house punch will give you one he’ll of a hang over….
True or False
1. Global Sea level rise is falling
2. The average rate of sea level increase is 3.2 mm a year.
3. 1 foot = 304.8 mm
4 At the average rate of 3.2 mm per year the sea will rise 20 feet by 2100
5. At the current rise in sea level the Westside Highway that runs along the Hudson River in New York will be underwater any day now as predicted by climate expert Dr. James Hansen. http://www.salon.com/2001/10/23/weather/
If you still believe the planet is heating up you should be definitely fool after eating all the spoon fed crap you’ve been fed.
Q&A: Professor Phil Jones
Phil Jones is director of the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia (UEA), which has been at the centre of the row over hacked e-mails.
The BBC’s environment analyst Roger Harrabin put questions to Professor Jones, including several gathered from climate sceptics. The questions were put to Professor Jones with the co-operation of UEA’s press office.
B – Do you agree that from 1995 to the present there has been no statistically-significant global warming
Yes, but only just. I also calculated the trend for the period 1995 to 2009. This trend (0.12C per decade) is positive, but not significant at the 95% significance level. The positive trend is quite close to the significance level. Achieving statistical significance in scientific terms is much more likely for longer periods, and much less likely for shorter periods.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8511670.stm
Let me repeat that
The northern hemisphere has recorded its second and third largest snow covers in documented history in the last two seasons, spanning the winters of 2009-2010 and 2010-2011.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/world/melting-arctic-causes-snowier-winters/story-e6frea8l-1226283672088?from=public_rss
Monday 20 March 2000
Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past
Global warming, the heating of the atmosphere by increased amounts of industrial gases, is now accepted as a reality by the international community. However, the warming is so far manifesting itself more in winters which are less cold than in much hotter summers. According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event”.
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html
Fast Forward
February 28, 2012
Melting Arctic causes snowier winters in Europe, the US
The northern hemisphere has recorded its second and third largest snow covers in documented history in the last two seasons, spanning the winters of 2009-2010 and 2010-2011.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/world/melting-arctic-causes-snowier-winters/story-e6frea8l-1226283672088?from=public_rss
raf,
I wonder what touches OS gave it.
Wow. Rum, cognac and brandy. I bet it has a kick.
OS,
I was intrigued so looked it up … I’m not too sure …
“This punch — containing rum, Cognac, and peach brandy — is potent. If it packs a bit too much of a wallop for your taste, you can dilute it with cold black tea …”
Black tea??!!
Gene,
In your case, more than likely, houses full of fish would fall on your head … which is okay ’cause we would call you chowderhead and call for another cup.
I’m game as long as it doesn’t make you want to punch either fish or houses.
OS,
Fish House Punch? Sounds tasty!?
OS/Blouise,
Done and done.