Piling On: The Saints of Football

By Mark Esposito, Guest Blogger

A disturbing report from the NFL released on Friday charges that the coaching staff of the New Orleans Saints tolerated and encouraged a bounty system designed to violently remove opposing players from the game. The bounties ranged from $1,000.00 for putting an opponent out of the game to $1,500.00 for a “cart off.” A “cart off” being injuring an opponent so severely that he would have to literally be physically helped to leave the field of play.

In 2009, the Saints were the league’s poster boy for “feel good football.” Following the devastation of Hurricane Katrina, the Saints were credited with boosting the spirits of New Orleans and providing the impetus to rebuild. Indeed, it may have been the only institution in the storm ravaged town actually functioning as intended. It’s Super Bowl win for the 2009 season after decades of frustration as the league’s laughing-stock, was seen as a vindication of the power of sport to unite a community and help it over come adversity. It’s diminutive quarterback, Drew Brees, was seen as a national hero for his laudable efforts to restore some civic pride to the devastated city. But behind all the glory was a dark secret that permeated the team and could topple its legacy.

The system was reportedly put in place by then defensive co-ordinator Gregg Williams and involved 22-27 players. The kitty was $50,000.00 and was doled out by the players for game-ending hits on opponents. Head Coach Sean Payton  and General Manager Mickey Loomis reportedly knew about the bounty system but did nothing. Payton has been trotted out by the league as a paragon of what an NFL coach is supposed to be. From his inclusion in the video for country music star Kenny Chesney’s 2010 mega-hit “The Boys of Fall,”  to his Coach of The Year Award, the NFL points to Payton as one of the “good guys.” Payton himself has welcomed the accolade and been all too willing to accept the praise for bring back the town, publishing his own book with the self-congratulatory title, Home Team: Coaching the Saints and New Orleans Back to Life.

The Saints defense was eager to accept the bounties in 2009. Opposing quarterbacks Kurt Warner and Jay Cutler took big hits from the Saints in the games leading to the playoffs, and Vikings star running back Adrian Peterson has publicly voiced his belief that the Saints went after him and Hall of Fame quarterback Brett Farve in the 2009 NFC Championship Game. In that game, the Saints committed three unnecessary roughness penalties for shots on Farve and made obvious efforts to re-injur Petersen’s already sprained ankle. Farve was carted off the field in the third quarter after a hit by the Saint players Bobby McCray and Remi Ayodele but managed to return after treatment. McCray was later fined after the league reviewed the tape. Now multiple reports are surfacing that the Saints imposed a special $10,000.00 bounty specifically to get Farve out of the game that serves as the entry way to the Super Bowl.

Violence in football is nothing new.The law has generally excused this type of mayhem on notions of the players’ informed consent about the game’s physical demands and the enforcement of rules designed to make the game as safe as possible both in terms of equipment and style of play. The common law usually expressed the rule this way:

“A man shall not recover a recompense for an injury received by his own consent, provided the act from which the injury is received be lawful: but where two fight by consent, and one is beaten, he may recover damages for the injury, because fighting is an unlawful act.” (Stout v. Wren, 8 N.C. 420, 420 (1 Hawks) (1821))

The rules of the game, of course, must tend to mitigate rather than encourage the risk of injury. “[I]f the rules and practices of the game are reasonable, consented to by all engaged, and are not likely to induce grievous bodily injury or death, then injuries . . . on the field of play are excused.”

The sport’s indifference to violence received legal scrutiny in 1905 when President Theodore Roosevelt, one of the greatest sportsmen of all-time, summoned representatives from Harvard, Yale, and Princeton and  threatened to ban the sport unless its brutality was removed. The next day college coaches embarked on changes which abolished the gruesome “flying wedge” play and “gang tacking.” Even with rules changes, violence in the sport escalated with bigger and faster players – sometimes chemically induced (See, Steve Courson’s testimony before Congress) — creating horrific collisions overlain with a culture of macho virility absent in most other sports excepting only hockey.

The law thus began to take cognizance of gratutitous violence in the sport for overly violent acts. A 1976 case, People v. Freer, 381 N.Y.S.2d 976 (Dist. Ct. 1976), laid out the law’s position on “overtly violent” acts outside of the rules of the game which could subject one to legal culpability. In that case, a tackler took down a ball carrier with a tackle augmented with a punch. In the ensuing pile-up the defensive player inflicted a second punch. The Court ruled the second punch was a criminal act:

“Initially it may be assumed that the very first punch thrown by the complainant in the course of the tackle was consented to by defendant. The act of tackling an opponent in the course of a football game may often involve ‘contact’ that could easily be interpreted to be a ‘punch’. Defendant’s response after the pileup to complainant’s initial act of ‘aggression’ cannot be mistaken. Clearly, defendant intended to punch complainant. This was not a consented to act.”

Now it seems conspiracy to injure has been injected into the risks of football outside of the rules with little objection from the Saints’ coaches or management. Opposing players are not so accepting. Viking punter Chris Kluwe voiced the concerns of many: “This is troubling to me as a human being,” he said. “Football is a violent game. Guys get hurt all the time. But you want to be out there with the comfort that other guys aren’t purposely out trying to injure you. At that point, you’re not safe.”

And those words may well be the ralling cry of NFL management who have had a recent change of heart about injuries in the game. Following the depression-induced suicide of NFL great Dave Duerson and a spate of reports about brain injuries leaving hall of famers as little more than drooling messes, the league has taken player safety seriously. New safety rules, huge fines for big hits, and league-funded studies to address concussion risks are a few of the steps implemented to make the violent game more safe and, not-so-coincidentally, palatable to those decision-makers around the kitchen tables of America where potential NFL football players are permitted to play the sport.

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell was publicly apoplectic, “It is our responsibility to protect player safety and the integrity of the game, and this type of conduct will not be tolerated. We have made significant progress in changing the culture with respect to player safety, and we are not going to relent.” One can only infer from these comments that the league know about the culture of violence and disregard for player safety by some coaches and teams. In a sport premised on consent based on adherence to the  rules of place, this is a damning statement which could subject it to liability exposure based on its downright obstinacy to address the issue before now.

Given that liability exposure the Saints can expect huge fines and punitive measures to address the problems contained in the report. An organization as successful and profitable as the NFL cannot accept a conspiracy to injure in its midst. The damages from potential lawsuits could run into the hundreds of millions of dollars given the salaries of the players involved.  Roger Goodell, an attorney and expert on risk management, knows that all too well. Saints heads are likely to roll.

Sources: Fox Sports; Victoria Advocate; J. Cri. Law & Criminality 

By Mark Esposito, Guest Blogger.

43 thoughts on “Piling On: The Saints of Football

  1. This is why I quit watching profootball……. At least at college….. They are guided against such tactics…..

  2. Lets see…. Saints are on for week four. Who was that guy who took out our quarterback for a bounty? Yo, new guy, Jamison just up from bla bla, you are on in the first quarter. Break that jerks head off. Get even. It you get thrown out, I will make it up to you.

  3. Another good tasting national story laced with poison.

    What, they could not be content just to recover and thereafter do better than ever? They just had to go rogue?

  4. This bums me out. I used to heap praise on Williams when he was the Titan’s DC. If he was doing this then I think I may be ill. He should be drummed out of the game and the rest of the coaching staff fined big time.

  5. ” Head Coach Sean Payton and General Manager Mickey Loomis reportedly knew about the bounty system but did nothing. Payton has been trotted out by the league as a paragon of what an NFL coach is supposed to be. ”

    Seems no matter your station in life everything is fine until you get busted.

  6. Great job Mark. The Saints are in big trouble and they may soon be marching inti the commissioners office. I would expect some retaliation from other teams.

  7. Mark,
    Unfortunately I think that this is merely the tip of the iceberg in the NFL. The sport is and always has been brutal. The language of football is violent in and of itself and scores of players have talked of how they like to hit and be hit. We are little more than Romans being distracted by gladiators, a term often used for football players, being given “Bread and Circuses” to distract the 99% from the rape of the country. I write this as a football fan and so I’m as guilty as anyone when it comes to watching this violence.

  8. Mark,

    I also think this kind of thing doesn’t end with professional football either. I can’t say I’ve ever heard of incentivizing harm going on in college football, but I have heard about it more than once in hushed whispers about high school football (especially in the South). I’m willing to bet this thread of bad behavior runs through the entire weave of the sport. It’s one of the reasons I prefer baseball.

  9. Well done Mark. I’ve never been a fan of contact sports (I count hockey as one) preferring less brutality in my amusements. it’s baseball over football for me.

  10. Gene’s comments bring to mind an incident from my childhood. My brother was playing his first high school football game and my father was on the sidelines with the coach.

    There was a pileup on the field, the whistle blew and my brother extricated himself from the pile and was jogging towards the sidelines when the coach pounded my dad on the back and yelled, “Did you see that, did you see that … the boy’s a natural!”

    My dad hadn’t seen what my brother did so waited until he reached the sidelines. The coach was patting my brother’s helmet and yelling, “Great move!”

    My dad asked him, “What’d you do?” My brother said, “Not much. As I was running off the field a leg was sticking out of the pile. It had the other teams sock on it so I cleeted it.”

    My dad, with great pride, retold the story the next night at the dinner table. My mother, in her I will broke no argument voice, replied, “I want him out of that program and away from that coach!”

    My brother became a star basketball player.

    The next year there was a new coach and my other two brothers were allowed to play football.

  11. I stopped watching football probably 25 years ago or more. It’s another addiction I could do without and figured that just about any other way to pass the time was more beneficial. It’s just another crazed over-hyped metaphor for much of what passes for greatness in America’s pantheon of dubious greats. I’ll stop right there, refer to Mike S’s description, lest I be thought so effete I’ll have to apologize whenever I post😉 .

  12. While this story is indeed “disturbing”, it’s not the least bit surprising. In my opinion, criminal penalties should ensue.

    “I’m willing to bet this thread of bad behavior runs through the entire weave of the sport.” -Gene H.

    I’d take it a step further. “This thread of bad behavior”, albeit with different twists, is not limited to football… or sports. It runs deep…

  13. Football in America has become an unrepentant evil. It has infected higher education with a sickness founded on ego and money that seeps down into high schools and play ground. It chews up an spits out young men in ways both large and small that leaves society poorer every day.

    The pinnacle of this evil is the NFL. The meat grinder is turned up to 11 and players sacrifice their health and their life (this is no hyperbola, NFL players doe much younger on average than the general population despite the exercise and attention from top medical professionals – during their playing days). They drug themselves with a wink and a nod from the owners and managers who care about their daughters ponies more than they do about their players.

    There really is no reason for the sport to continue, but because of the money involved & the delusion that fans maintain of “their” team it will. Fans will pretend to be shocked when stories like this, or the ones from U of Miami or Penn State come out and comfort themselves that such horrors could not possibly happen to “their” team.

  14. I believe there is great merit in a young person participating in competitive activities, including organized sports. I believe such competition should be part of the child’s educational program. This seems be to a fairly universal belief in that every state sanctions such programs in its public schools.

    Often the objectives of such a program are stated something like this: “to enhance students’ educational experience and to prepare them for citizenship by providing interschool competition among the public elementary and secondary schools of the state.”

    NCAA says the same of collegiate student-athletes.

    Yeah, right! [BTW, that’s two positives making a negative]. Consider football — why do states have play-off systems? Why do colleges have bowls? What benefit is there to the student-athlete beyond competition for district or a conference title. At some point, the time, cost, and effort of the student and the program far outweighs any benefit the athlete is receiving. Also, further competition after district or conference play benefits fewer and fewer students.

  15. With respect to pro ball, players are not people. At least not to owners. They are meat on the hoof. Property. All these owners negotiate pay packages based on expected usefulness of their property. Bounties might reek havoc with owners’ projected expenses due to premature retirement of property.

    If the owners thought that bounties would be good for business, they’d figure out how to clone Jack Tatum.

  16. Blousie — good for your Mom.

    This happened to me

    The bad coach arrived my freshman year. He was a jerk. College All-American, guard, played some Canadian ball, eh. An expert at cursing and throwing temper tantrums, he received three 15-yard unsportsman-like penalties ON A SINGLE PLAY. He taught us how to cheat and get away with cheap shots “like in college.”

    He was all football, demanded complete loyalty and commitment. I had to quit Scouts and curtail other activities to be on the team. And he hated Pussies — said so himself. That’s why we had no freshman team. All freshmen and some sophomores were put on JV, and the rest of the sophomores and all of the juniors and seniors were on Varsity. Not only were we freshmen playing sophomores during games, but we were the scrub team for own juniors and seniors. I weighed less than 140 lbs.

    That first year I was knocked woozy several times and unconscious three times, twice in practice and once in a game. The coach continued to play me. For him it was all about the win. I didn’t dare refuse or even see a doctor else my picture would go up on the “Pussy WAll” alongside those of other quitters. I don’t remember much of that fall semester. I had headaches and my grades sucked.

    I switched to tennis spring semester — I even gave the coach a picture of myself. I played tennis my sophomore year, concentrated on grades, rejoined Scouts and took up backpacking. My family began to worry that something was wrong with me. Why wasn’t I playing football like all the other boys. Like my brothers had?

    The bad coach was fired at the end of the year. His record: 1-19.

    The good Coach came to town and I went out for football the next year, mostly to reassure family members and friends. Coach put me on JV because I hadn’t played in a year — all other juniors were on Varsity. I blew out my knee in the first scrimmage.

    Coach was in my hospital room waiting for me to wake from surgery. He told me that I played well enough to make Varsity, but that had he known of my previous injuries he would never have let my try out. He apologized to me.

    I never made Varsity. I never got the jacket.

    I got something else from Coach — advice:

    “You can pretty much do anything or be anything you want if you are disciplined and work hard; but make sure it’s what you want, not what someone else wants, or you will never be satisfied. You are primarily responsible for your own health and welfare. Stick up for yourself.”

    I have routinely repeated the same thing to my daughters.

    BTW, none of Coach’s teams had a losing record.

  17. Mark,

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I seem to recall players on the Saints admitting to going after Farve in that game years ago. There wasn’t any talk of a bounty, but clear admission of a conspiracy to take him out of the game.

    If you remember this as well, why has it taken this long for the NFL to react?

  18. Bob & Mark,
    It was ignored because that’s the game, money, unless someone was going to go public and the NFL wanted to get ahead of the story. I think this kind of stuff has gone on forever in football.

  19. As DonS and AY, I haven’t watched football for many years. My issues were the violence and the tribalism but especially because I became quite tired of what seemed to become a required Christian revival meeting before any post game interview could be conducted. It was Tebowism on steroids. I’ve given up on watching all sports except golf.

  20. The oft-repeated claim about NFL player life expectancy is dubious at best. Here’s a reprint of a story posted in the Globe and Mail (the original is behind their pay wall): http://tuppencetalksnfl.com/12851/freedom-from-55-year-life-expectancy/syndicated-nfl-news/

    “Researchers say they are hard-pressed to find current published medical studies that prove professional football players have a life expectancy of 55 years.

    And the author of a 2006 article that startled CFL players last week – citing that a pro football player’s life expectancy is 51 to 55 – says he based his medical opinion article on a conversation with an insurance expert, not a medical study.”


    ““That number of 55 has simply never been proven with any data, it has just floated around and been perpetuated by reporters too lazy to back up the facts,” said Chris Nowinski, co-director of the Center for the Study of Traumatic Encephalopathy at Boston University, and founder of Sports Legacy Institute, which educates on concussion in sport.”

  21. Lottakatz, I can’t watch baseball — if I want to watch juiced up men playing a game, I will watch pro wrestling, that everyone admits is fake.

    I haven’t seen a reference to Taylor Branch’s great article on college football that ran in the Atlantic last year (http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/10/the-shame-of-college-sports/8643/). Once you read it, you will think twice before you watch a college football game again. Not only is the system rigged against the so-called “student”-athletes, it is corrupted all the way through by big-time corporate money.

    And Christine N., I had not heard about the Titans, but reports are coming out of Washington that a bounty system existed when Williams was defensive coordinator in DC (I won’t use that team’s racists name any longer, although I am a fan). It seems Williams may well be the source of this problem.

  22. This whole story has made me sick, even moreso because I’m a Vikings fan…I’ve said since that game “had they not been trying to hurt Farve, Peterson, and a couple others we would have won.” What I don’t understand is how they got away with it during the game, some blatant penalties were not called. I have not been much of an NFL fan since that game, the blatant attempts to injure left me feeling disgusted. And this just amplifies it.

    I played in HS and I’m fully aware of the bottom of the pile nut grabbing, ankle twisting, and eye poking. I can only imagine it gets much worse in college and the Pros.

    On top of that, the quality of the game has gone down. There are not good tackles, its all dropping a shoulder and trying for a big hit. Its sloppy.

    Since I haven’t watched much NFL I’ve replaced it with Rugby…a little harder to find, but when you do, you find a far superior sport.

    I also noticed a couple things said by posters in regards to hockey.

    “creating horrific collisions overlain with a culture of macho virility absent in most other sports excepting only hockey.”

    Hockey does have a bit of a macho culture, but it is premised on an unwritten, yet strict, Code. The Code provides that through the machismo, there is a large amount of gentlemanly conduct.

  23. you know…. I have been rethinking my position…. If the owners and coaches agree that this is the way that they should play….. And that if they have to keep paying the salary and they are not a burden to the taxpayers…. Why not….they can consent just like boxing or cage fighting…. Do it….

  24. “Since I haven’t watched much NFL I’ve replaced it with Rugby…a little harder to find, but when you do, you find a far superior sport.”


    I agree that Rugby is a more interesting sport, but really from what I know of those scrums, things get pretty hairy in there. I first learned about Rugby from a great 1963 British movie called “This Sporting Life” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Sporting_Life . As for hockey it’s a terrible TV sport, but wonderful in person. It has gotten much better since they’ve cleaned up a lot of the violence, the NFL has begun to do that also, but as we see is only at the surface.

  25. AY-

    Funny thing. I’m a fan of both football and MMA (cage fighting), and I think football is far more brutal and dangerous.

  26. Jason,

    Sometimes, someone like somethings but does like everything. I suppose you are in one of those camps…..

  27. “Besides, in a game where 100 percent of the players get injured, why does it matter to us how they’re injured? The real outrage here isn’t the bounties and the cart-off hits and knockout blows; it’s the league office’s need to sanctify all the bloodshed and ugliness with well-drawn rules and regulations. But bounties or no bounties, the game maims the men who play it. Yet the NFL stays busy selling the myth that football would be safe so long as the guys on the field played with a little integrity. Now where is the integrity in that?”


    The only reason we have football is because its not socially acceptable to feed people to lions anymore.

  28. “The only reason we have football is because its not socially acceptable to feed people to lions anymore.”


    Nail……head……perfect hit.

  29. Mike Spindell 1, March 6, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    “The only reason we have football is because its not socially acceptable to feed people to lions anymore.”


    Nail……head……perfect hit.



  30. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/05/gregg-williams-audio-saints-49ers-speech_n_1405405.html

    Gregg Williams Audio: Ex-Saints Defensive Coach Instructed Players To Injure 49ers (VIDEO)

    The Huffington Post | By Michael Klopman Posted: 04/ 5/2012 10:27 am Updated: 04/ 5/2012 12:38 pm

    “Hours before members of the New Orleans Saints’ coaching staff and front office were scheduled to have their appeals heard by the NFL regarding the team’s bounty scandal, an incriminating audio recording surfaced of former Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams seemingly exhorting his players to injure opponents during a fiery pre-game speech.”

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