The video below is from St. Patrick’s day in my hometown Chicago. A young man, who may be drunk, is mouthing off to a Chicago police officer. The officer then escalates the confrontation by choking the young man and throwing him to the ground.
The scene captures the difficult job that officers have with kids abusing them. However, there is no apparent justification for the escalation that I can see. If the boy threatened the officer, would that be sufficient in your mind to justify the response?
One Internet account says that the boy tells the cop that “He’ll F**k Him Up.” The problem is that the young man is displaying contemptible and even taunting behavior but not threatening behavior. A taunt is not enough. Even in the case of a threat, the officer should first order the suspect to turn around for cuffing or go to the ground. Instead, he grabs the individual by the throat and moves him a distance while squeezing his throat.
Under media guidelines, credentialed media are presumed access to the perimeter of crime scenes — and even crime scenes with approval.
Access to Crime Scenes
Upon approval of a supervisor, news media with Chicago Police Department issued news media credentials or credentials issued by another law enforcement agency will be allowed access to a crime scene’s outer perimeter secured with yellow barrier tape.
NOTE: News media without any of the above-mentioned credentials will be allowed access to a crime scene’s staging area but not within the yellow crime scene barrier tape perimeter. . . .Media access may be further limited by the following:
a. Media access to a crime scene on private property will only be permitted after the owner or the owner’s agent informs the police that the owner authorizes the media’s presence.
or somethin….
“Why not just arrest him for drunk and disorderly….? Why the fucking drama?” (Woosty)
Too much paper work? Too little applause?
Larry Monete1, March 20, 2012 at 10:55 am
I think I’ll smart off to this guy who is twice my size and is carrying a gun. Moron. Typical obnoxious drunk.
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That’s the whole point….drunks are ‘typically’ obnoxious and provocative…and there are ways to handle them that don’t involve choking. The one that’s most in danger from a drunk is quite often the drunk….
I had no idea that the legal community did not know this….
anon nurse1, March 20, 2012 at 8:44 am -“I realize that these cops have a tough job and take a lot of verbal abuse, but why not try using deescalation techniques.”
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Because they like it. Some people actually get hyped by being violent…this 80 lb. drunken threat was boxed in…a cop that gave a shit would realize that this guy was drunk….his girlfriend fluttering about sheilding did not help…when he tried to move away with his ego intact the cop jumped back in front of him and obstructed his exit. The cop also appears to be playing to the crowd…. Why not just arrest him for drunk and disorderly….? Why the fucking drama?
I just want to thank the anon above for proving an additional anon at this blog. The more anons the better — especially because it pisses off the in gang idiot mob that believe themselves to be progressive here.
What talking dog said. This cop needs to be collecting unemployment.
One of the people in the vid says ‘he could have just walked away 10 minutes ago, what a dumb-ass’. That seems to me to go for both of them. If the kid didn’t give off a ‘dangerous’ vibe why did the cop not just walk away? That kid looks like a little garden-gnome next to the cop.
At one point the kid flips off the officer in the face, and at least twice “flexes” on him- the last time being right before the cop grabs him by the throat. It would be interesting to know the details of their initial conversation.
Fat slob. No, sorry. Dumb fat slob. There was the longest time when he had his gun exposed for anyone to pull from his holster and bang him on the back of the head with it. The kid is just this little drunk weenie. Please re publish this video and share it with your friends. The police academies of the world should show this so that the fat slobs of America dont get shot in the head.
I think I’ll smart off to this guy who is twice my size and is carrying a gun. Moron. Typical obnoxious drunk. Hope he wasn’t driving.
Meant “I will not, ie won’t”-
Choking through throttling the epiglottis is envisioned by most as “choking”.
The far more dangerous hold can be done by your grandmother, it simply means to apply a very little pressure to the sides of the epiglottis, stopping all blood flow to the brain. Ten seconds max, you’re unconscious; 1 minute you’re dead.
Standard combat and contract killer technique.
Just so you know, feigning choking can lead to fatal results.
I want tell you the exact points, but Wikipedia will. I wonder what the cops know routinewise?
Dredd,
Are you gonna give us a rendition of Elvis Presleys “All Choked Up”……
Evidently the officer was so convinced by the inebriate’s argument that he got all choked up about it.
AY – got that it was in Chicago but your comment made it sound like this was a Chicago problem, sorry if I misunderstood.
I actually feel some sympathy for the cop, there has been more than one occasion where I would loved to have choked the crap out of some smart-mouthed smart ass. But that hardly makes it alright. He could have easily run the clown in for public drunkenness which would probably have been a worse experience for him & not led to a lawsuit.
I realize that these cops have a tough job and take a lot of verbal abuse, but why not try using deescalation techniques. Chat the kid up to the degree possible, humor him, try to get him to see that you’re one of the good guys…, if you really are…
The young man’s lucky that he lived:
From injusticeeverywhere.com
“Newark NJ cop accused of hitting mentally ill man in the chest with a running leap punch before he died. The man’s family is demanding a federal investigation into the incident.”
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/03/federal_probe_demanded_after_n.html
Frankly,
Because Chicago was listed in the title…. It could be any place and not limited to the USA……
one quibble AY – what does Chicago have to do with it? My assumption and plenty of past reports say this is pretty typical for any police department.
You are probably correct AY. Another reason why filming in public must be allowed.
Nope is the answer…… But this is Chicago…… They should be glad that this is all they did….. Besides…. Why wasn’t the person arrested for taking these pictures? Therein is your answer as to why he was only choked…..