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Reasonable Doubt? Crime Scene Photos Shows Serious Injury On Zimmerman’s Head

ABC News has been given a photograph that might make the difference between life in prison and a walk. For weeks, we have been discussing the case and the application of the Stand Your Ground law. As discussed earlier, I think the case was over-charged and I remain doubtful of a conviction. This picture will likely be the single most important piece of evidence in the case. It shows Zimmerman with significant blood on the back of his head — an image that supports accounts from the scene and will be used to corroborate Zimmerman’s account of a struggle with Trayvon Martin where he feared serious bodily injury. [UPDATE: Zimmerman granted bond].


Unlike the photos of Zimmerman at the police station, this photo was taken a few minutes after the fight. Zimmerman’s shaved head could prove Godsend for Zimmerman. Had he had longer hair, the injury would have not appeared so stark.

The photo shows both cuts and a contusion — injuries that would normally be defined as serious bodily injury by many courts in torts cases where head injuries are treated as inherently potentially serious. The original police report said that he was bleeding from the nose and head and that his clothes looked like he had been in a fight. Zimmerman claims that it was Martin who jumped him, punched him, and pounded his head on to the concrete sidewalk.

The prosecutors can still argue that they do not contest the fight but that Zimmerman started it. However, with this photo, the charge of second-degree murder appears even more excessive and undermines Special Prosecutor Angela Corey’s claim that she was not affected by the political pressure to charge Zimmerman. I can understand a manslaughter charge, even with the photo, but no reasonable prosecutor would consider the second-degree murder charge as based on this evidence. Corey clearly must have seen this photo and the reports before her charging of Zimmerman.

The photo should also assist Zimmerman in his efforts to get bail.
Zimmerman, 28, is still being held on charges of second-degree murder of Martin, 17. In my view, a denial of bail would be an abuse and unwarranted given the fact that Zimmerman cooperated at the scene and voluntarily turned himself in.

Source: ABC

1,309 thoughts on “Reasonable Doubt? Crime Scene Photos Shows Serious Injury On Zimmerman’s Head”

  1. enhanced video

    Betty Kath, you are mixing things up. Above is the enhanced video. It shows a peculiar cross shaped wound/scar. The photo in Jonathan Turley’s article above surfaced later.

    Otteray Scribe has the relevant information about this photo on another thread. This is not an enhanced photo of the police video, but a photo that was taken about two minutes after the shot at the crime scene. At least that is what the time stamp tells us, and if we assume that the time wasn’t manipulated.

    I do not see the cross shaped wound in this photo, do you?

  2. There is so much ad hominem in this thread that I can’t scan it all, let alone read it. As to the photo that started this thread, I had questions about who took the photo and gave it to ABC. I also wondered who was actually pictured. It turns out that it is Zimmerman in the photo and it’s an enhanced still from the police station video we’ve seen before. A google search of ABC and Zimmerman turned up several “hits”.

    “Enhanced video of George Zimmerman being led into a Florida police station appears to show possible injuries to the back of his head, lending credence to his claim he was in a struggle with Trayvon Martin when he shot the teen.

    “ABC News initially released video of Zimmerman that did not clearly show marks on his scalp, but had the video enhanced digitally and released a new clip on Monday. That clip appears to show a gash. Zimmerman’s father claims his son was being beaten by the 17-year-old teen when he shot Martin in self-defense. Martin’s supporters say Zimmerman shot the unarmed teen on Feb. 26 after racially profiling him and stalking the youth through his neighborhood.”

    “The enhanced version of that video was sent to ABC News from ForensicProtection.com, and zooms in on the back of Zimmerman’s head. There is a visible line, reddish pink, on his skull, though it is unclear how deep it is from the video. Of course, as many facts in this case, nothing is concrete, as the hospital records and much of what went on that night have yet to surface. The enhancement and potential injury do make the original video– in which Zimmerman appears in much better condition than those speaking up for him have claimed he was– much less of a smoking gun than many originally thought. And while it does help Zimmerman’s case, it does not speak all that much on the procedure legal authorities used in this case.”

    It’s possible, may I say probable?, that Zimmerman was treated by EMTs at the scene, the bleeding stopped, and then the bleeding started again on the way to the police station.

  3. sorry, just can’t resist this subject.
    THERE ARE TWO GLARING THINGS THAT STAND OUT TO ME.
    NO.1 George Zimmerman DIDNT even have to call the police that night. But he did.
    NO. 2 State prosecutor refused to charge Zimmerman BECAUSE THE EVIDENCE SUPPORTED ZIMMERMANS account of the event. Please, I’m wanting to hear anyones thoughts on these facts.

  4. Malisha. I think you just made the defenses case. He did fight like hell, would have been scared for my life too if a man that was a lot bigger and broader then me was hurting me and I had no idea who he was. I would like to know if Mr. Martins fingerprints were on that gun and I would also like to find out any toxicology results on Martin. After all, he was sent to his father’s after being suspended [third suspension] from school after marajuana was found in his gym bag. Might have just been residue but that only means that at one time mj was present. I think the police should ask his classmates how much was origionally in that bag. After all, why carry a baggie for only one joint. hhh…mmmm. Here we go again with the RACE RACE RACE thing. Take that out and see how you feel about the case then. PPPPPPPPPPLLLLLLLLLLLLLease, this was no racial frofiling, Mr. Z mentored two black teens for yrs. Even after funding was cut for the mentoring program George Zimmerman spent his own time/money to help these boys. Even told his mother that if he didn’t go, they would have noone. In no way was this a race issue. There is solid proof that Z. wasn’t racist. But some ppl seem to think they can’t make a case without it.

  5. Just stumbled upon this pg. this morning while looking for injury pic of GZ. I’m from the southern most part of Mo.App. 99.9% of my life I was never exposed to ppl of color. Hope that’s the politically correct phrase. Can’t keep up with it. Later on in my life I developed life long friends that were/are colored. Never mattered to me what color someone was. But I have developed a deep prejudiced towards african americans. They have made me that way and this case is the perfect example of why. I am frankly, sick to death of the so called race issue that is constantly thrown in my face. Many, many times white ppl, and I’m as white as they come, could shout racism, but I’m proud that my white race are not whiners, nor do we point the finger at others of color and use skin as an excuse for evrything/anything that involves ppl of different color. Al and Jesse would be an embarassment to me if I were colored. Now, on to the case, and I opologize if this is long.
    Eye witness testimony is the most unreliable evidence, statistically that is. Many ppl have been imprisoned for life/death because of this. Look up the facts. I was utterly shocked when the detective was questioned about G.Z’s medical records. The ‘special’ prosecutor’s investigators had not even bothered to look at them, nor make an effort to obtain them. Not even aware they existed. Mr. O’mara offered to provide a copy to the detective while he was on the stand. Injuries of any kind, no matter how slight, should be very relevand evidence in this case. Also stippling from gun/gun powder. not sure of the spelling. I watched side by side comparison of the two subjects in the case on court-tv. Everyone should be aware that Mr. Martin was FOUR inches taller then Mr. Z. although Mr. Z weighed a whopping ten lbs. more then Martin. I think if u can listen to the whole conversation on 911 recording, Mr. Z told the dispatcher that he was headed back to his car, AFTER going forward to look at a street sign/no. Mr. M. was rather big compared to G.Z. As far as the gashes in Z’s head, it’s always been a thought of mine, from day one it popped into my head, the Mr. Martin hit Z. with his cell phone. Also, the father stated that he thought Trayvon was with his 20 yr. old cousin. I’ve only heard that once and not since. I agree with the other poster, Mr. M. had no right to attack, and I DO think he was the agressor with a sucker punch. It’s my opinion that he was also trying to impress his little girlfriend while on the phone. The portrayl of Martin by the media caused a lot of the problem. Hell, I didn’t realize how big/broad Mr. Martin was for at least a week because they showed Mr. Zimmerman’s real age pic and one of Martin that was taken five, six, seven yrs earlier. I could go on and on. But I want to leave with a thought I know u will really find offensive. Where I come from, the stand your ground law is null and void. It’s just understood here, we don’t have to have no law. Threaten me or mine, and we Will stand our ground. No matter the color.

  6. Tony C.: Good questions. Inquiring minds would like to know. There is a lot about this entire case that stinks to high heaven.

    Malisha: The Feds generally keep their investigations close to the vest until it is time for the official press conference. Having worked with them in the past, I know a little bit about their style. They will not want to do anything that will interfere publicly with the state prosecution. Now, if the state drops the ball as they did in the Rodney King affair, look for a full frontal assault by the US Attorney.

  7. Last night I was in an involuntary think-up on this case, and on the status of this case. What bothered me was that the feds are not coming up with anything while this weird thing with Lee is happening. Meanwhile, Dershowitz weighs in (while admitting that he hasn’t seen the evidence so he doesn’t know what the prosecutor knows unless he’s going from ACCURATE PRESS REPORTS, which is highly unlikely) saying it was irresponsible to charge Zimmerman with second-degree murder and we even have a bevy of highly respected legal scholars predicting acquittal.

    So I went back to basics.

    What WOULD the prosecutor know, if there had been proper evidence collection and appropriate police work on 2/26/2012?

    She would know:

    1. The placement of not just the body, but the skittles and the iced tea, AND THE CELL PHONE AND THE EARPHONES, before 7:30 pm that night.

    Now, this is very significant information. If you’re a young thug planning on jumping a somewhat older upstanding citizen from behind, as he is returning to his car to sulk impotently in the front seat before driving obediently to the grocery store to make a few purchases, but your hands are not going to be free because of the skittles, the iced tea, and that damned fool phone equipment, you have to tell your girlfriend, “let’s talk later, I gotta kill some ofay first,” and then you have to put down your iced tea, lay the headphones on top of it, put your cell phone in one pocket and the skittles in the other, and NOW you’re ready. OK?

    If, however, the skittles are found over here and the can of iced tea some distance away, and the headphones and the cell phone hither and yon, and if the earphones are not neatly wrapped up and stashed, well then, quite a much different kinda thing coulda happened, I’m just sayin…

    2. The amount of wet grass, mud, or debris on Trayvon Martin’s clothing, and all patterns of the same. In fact, we don’t know much about Trayvon Martin’s physical stats from 7:30 pm that night, do we? Dershowitz could not know much more than any other reader of the on-line and print and broadcast news reports have provided, and that means, obviously, no photographic evidence contemporaneous with the police discovery of the body. We have a funeral director’s information? What’s THAT about? If George Zimmerman’s head could have been all bloodied three minutes after the shooting but looking seemlessly fine a half hour later, how about a few nights in refrigeration and the possible cosmetic work of a team of cops covering up a murder? How ’bout THAT? ANd that picture that emerged in April by being “given to ABC” after allegedly having been taken by a passer-by’s cell phone in the rain? Here’s Zimmerman’s lawyer’s latest commentary about THAT:

    “Speaking about the recently released image showing Zimmerman’s bloodied head, O’Mara said it is ‘very compelling to support that there was an altercation,’ but he is, for now, unsure where it’ll fit in his client’s defense.”

    Well well. “There was an altercation” is an interesting grammatical AND contextual comment. It is not exactly ACTIVE VOICE. Zimmerman’s lawyer (who is a professional, much different from the other two bozos) is being very careful and very cagey here. Here’s the real lawyer who has some real information, measuring his words carefully. He KNOWS that he has to call this photograph “compelling” because it was snatched up by the media all over the place and by Professor Turley on this very thread as being compelling evidence of — imagine — SELF DEFENSE! But the lawyer won’t say that. He won’t open his mouth and say that.

    He says it is evidence that “there was an altercation.”

    Well, if I’m the prosecutor, I already KNOW there was an altercation unless of course one assumes that Trayvon Martin did not object to being killed.

    * A little guesswork here. If the physical evidence, even that which was preserved (much less than what should have been preserved) doesn’t give the defense a clear shot at self-defense, if in fact a legal call is made that a person CAN kill in self-defense even after initiating an altercation with a stranger (and that determination by a judge would be subject to appeal and scrutinized carefully), then maybe where the defense will head next is that George Zimmerman was in great mental stress because of things having nothing to do with racism or Walter-Mitty-R-Us Syndrome (WMRU) and he meant well when he saw Martin and hoped to save his neighborhood, but when he actually got into it with Martin and realized that his world-view was being challenged, he flipped out and became “NCR” — not criminally responsible — because when his world view was challenged, he felt that his whole raison d’etre was under attack, and he snapped, and he flailed out in his misplaced infantile rage or whatever three words would look kinda “forensic” there — and accidentally, non-criminally, greatly-mentally-disturbedly, killed Martin, but really didn’t mean to and couldn’t understand what had really happened in that unfortunate emotionally charged moment. Or something.

    3. I would also want to know — and perhaps the prosecutor DID know when she charged Zimmerman — what all the other 911 calls said, not just the ones that have been played on-line. I have heard (1) George Zimmerman’s original non-911 call to the police, (2) the “Oh my God Oh my God” call from the woman who felt anguished because she had not been able to help “this person” when he cried out for help, and (3) a third call that came in from a woman who was “upstairs” and who was calling out to her husband or son to stay away from windows while there was danger outside. There were many more calls to the police that night on 911 between 7 and 7:30; that was mentioned by the dispatcher who took the “Oh my God” call.

    4. I would want to know exactly how many bullets had been fired from the gun and where the shell casings were found.

    5. I would want to know all about the powder burns on the clothing and bodies of the killer and the killed.

    6. I would want to know the approximate distance from each of the phones that were on the 911 calls between 7:00 and 7:30 pm that night, and how loud the background noise came through that can be identified on more than one of those phones. In other words, I would want some pretty good sound engineers to tell me by triangulation where the two “altercating” individuals were by measuring their relative voices, whether those voices were Zimmerman’s, Martin’s or anyone else’s.

    7. I would want to know how fast a person Trayvon Martin’s size would bleed out from the actual wound(s) he had that night, and how much blood he had probably lost by the time he was pronounced dead (by subtracting the amount he still had from the approximate amount that he
    should have had, absent extraordinary circumstances such as having been shot in the chest.

    And see, Dershowitz wouldn’t have known these things at the time Corey came down with her charge.

    Well, it may be that much more information can be had by extrapolation than by proper evidentiary techniques, and of course, there’s always something. But if you have what is already known, and the “reasonable doubt blood rivulets flick” is subjected to serious scrutiny (including, but not limited to, some standard, generally accepted forensic method of identifying the blood shown IN that photograph as Zimmerman’s and not, for instance, Martin’s), I would disagree with Dershowitz’s aggressive stance against the prosecutor in this case, and I would say to him, “this is not as easy as the William Kennedy Smith case where all you have to say is ‘naaa-annh.’

  8. @Otteray: It says he raised over $200,000, but after spending some of the donated money on “living expenses” there is $150,000 left.

    Who has “living expenses” of $50,000? What did Zimmerman do, pay off all his credit cards and student loans and buy a new car?

  10. Tony C, Sling, Leander, Bigfatmike, I really appreciate the thoughtfulness of this discussion and the research, the consideration, etc. Obviously events break into our consciousness at same time as they break into our co-consciousnesses (please do not call grammar police on me again!) and they reverberate, and they reverberate. To me, this is only a good thing; it can, obviously, turn bad at times. Been there, done that, and when I am defensive and even when I am OFFENSIVE, I am still realizing that we are, for better or worse, in this together. Zimmerman is a member of our community. Even if he goes to prison for what turns out to be the rest of MY conscious memory, he will be somebody. Seeing who he was and is can form part of what I need to know to inform what I think about it all.

    What I have read does give me some pretty unshakeable impressions, and what you four have written here has helped me refine them. I believe Martin’s personality is irrelevant to this whole thing, because I don’t think he had a chance to react to what happened before he was killed, and no matter what his reaction would have been, I now think he would have ended up dead regardless, but that’s irrelevant. Only relevant if I intend to write, somehow, about this — and of course, this being a major event in my mental and emotional life, everything I write from here on out will incorporate my experience of this case.

    BUT — I think this was all about Zimmerman.

    About his frustration, his need to “get over,” his hero complex, his fear, his relatively unintelligent approach to dealing with problems, his belief that the world had to adjust to him and not vice versa.

    O what a shame.

  11. @Malisha, Sling: I read it, I am still not sympathetic, in fact it makes me think Zimmerman is lying on a different front: He knows it was black teenagers that have been breaking into houses. He claims he thought Trayvon was a little younger than he (28). I don’t believe that, if you are actually expecting to find criminal black teens in your neighborhood, you do not mistake a seventeen year old, 150 lb black teen for a 25 year old adult.

    On top of that, the criminal black teens he knew about were unarmed, and ran away from conflicts. Hence his muttered comment about “These [guys] always get away.” Which guys is he talking about, precisely? The teens that he knows have been burglarizing his neighborhood and running away before the police arrived.

    I still believe Zimmerman profiled Trayvon as one of the black teenagers burglarizing his neighborhood, and left his car to stalk him and corner him and frighten him, probably by brandishing his gun.

    His plan may well have been to just scare the crap out of the kid, so the kid would report to his criminal friends there was a big bad ass guarding the neighborhood now. It was still a race-and-age profiling murder, Zimmerman was the aggressor and Trayvon was innocent of any crime.

  12. I need a proofreader.
    Why wasn’t Zimmerman’s neighbor hood watch registered, . it feels.more bnot even the Stanford police considered this necessary?

    Does this tag still work or is it html 4? May I check it out?

  13. Sling Trebuchet, it does explain the schizophrenic component, I sense for some time now. Zimmerman doesn’t give the impression of a Rambo, macho if you like, in his phone call.

    The problem I have is this. After i finished the story, one central meme arose from the article. So the gun was bought for an aggressive stray dog? …

    And then there was something else. During a visit over here in Germany, an American relative told us about his ex-son-in-law, who kept kidnapping his grandchild, then went to another state to register himself as it’s father. That’s the way I remember it. He had to spend quite a bit of money to trace him down and get the girl back several times. At the end of his story he told us: If he ever enters my house, and tries to get the girl, I’ll shoot him, and after that I put some of my wife’s jewellery into his pocket, so he looks like a thief.

    Now I wonder, is it an accident that a similar “jewellery story” surfaces in Martin’s case? If you turn Trayvon Martin into a thug, then you can argue it wasn’t more than a “preemptive strike”. You don’t need to touch the less fitting parts of the story. What is the motivation behind this? A refusal to look deeper? Why wasn’t Zimmerman’s neighbor hood watch registered. it feels.more bnot even the Stanford police considered this necessary. I am assuming this would have resulted in slightly more training, no?

    **************************************************************************************
    Since Malisha mentions it:
    Growing up in post WWII Germany, I was obsessed with prejudice. But it definitively makes a different if it hits you. While studying (in 1977) I realized there still existed some kind of volunteer police helper network in a village outside town. I went there to meet a co-student. He had chosen the same mid-term exam subjects I had, and I wanted to talk with him about it. The next day I the German Federal Police call on and questioned me. A neighbors had pestered the student about me, after I had left. The guy didn’t know much about me, other than I studied one of his subjects, and had lived in England before. Highly suspicious the neighbor thought, and reported me as a terrorist suspect the same evening. I think it’s pretty safe to assume that no terrorists ever entered that village. The student wailed when I confronted him about it, what could he have told him? Well, I answered, you could have asked him, if he considered it realistic that there were semester break terrorists among the Bader Mainhoff gang? Even if I had been a secret supporter, how could the officers find out? My visit had been related to my studies, what could be suspicious about it? The whole experience reminded me of this: Blockleiter.

    When I told a friend, a German police officer, about it much later, he rolled his eyes. nothing more annoying than to sieve through all the phone calls by concerned citizen or neighbors. The vast majority of these calls are a pure waste of time, he said.

  14. @Melisha “Sling T, I read that article, and I disagree with the conclusion, “The article does explain the crazed logic behind his actions.””

    Perhaps the word “explain” was a bad choice.
    I thought that I had …eh.. explained the use of it by prepending it to “the crazed logic” and saying the information *did not excuse* Zimmerman.
    The article gives us a picture of the man and his circumstances. It is a dangerous and reckless man responding inappropriately to those circumstances.

    The Reuters has a very obvious pitch. It is sympathetic towards Zimmerman. It even had a slide show with photos of Zimmerman as a boy.
    Such an article is interesting because even though written as a supportive piece for him, it does damage his case significantly.

    It has Zimmerman as a vigilante. He’s just some guy who put himself forward in front of some of the neighbours.
    It appears from the article that at least one neighbour referred to him as “our captain”. That’s fantasy. He’s a captain of nothing. He has no training relevant to dealing with suspects or criminals.
    The only formal training that is significant are some anger management classes that he agreed to do as a price for escaping conviction for assaulting an officer.
    He’s put himself forward as a local hero. He’s a fantasist – with a gun.

    The article shows him as frustrated and angry. The punks keep getting away. He is actively hunting Martin. He sees Martin as one of the people who have been breaking into houses locally.

    It would be interesting if Reuters had run a similarly sympathetic piece on Martin, side-by-side with the Zimmerman one.
    That would have photos of a smiling schoolboy, praise from teachers, etc.
    It would also have Martin as a perfectly innocent teen, returning from the store and taking the opportunity to talk to his girlfriend on his cell phone.
    He sees that some stranger is stalking him. He tries to get away.
    The only person who is actually presenting a threat is Zimmerman.

    Zimmermans’s fantasy and recklessness was the prime cause of Martin’s death. At the very minimum he should be charged with manslaughter.

    We have to wait for a trial to see what forensics and ballistics show about the incident.
    If it turns out that Zimmerman managed to shoot while Martin was on top of him and banging him on the ground, maybe it could be charged as manslaughter.
    If it turns out that Martin was separated from Zimmerman, giving Zimmerman an opportunity to threaten use of the gun, fire a warning shot or shout that he would fire – then it’s definitely murder. Not premeditated, but still murder.

    In truth though, there was an element of premeditation in Zimmerman’s overall approach.
    He carried a gun. This should imply that he believed that he might use it. That *should* have made him more careful about not getting into situations in which he might shoot someone.
    He wasn’t careful. That showed a disregard for the lives of others.

  15. Sling T, I read that article, and I disagree with the conclusion, “The article does explain the crazed logic behind his actions.” It doesn’t even explain the actions we KNOW he took. It is simply a sympathetic article showing that “poor” Zimmerman had reasons to feel afraid and that he identified with people who felt afraid. But it sounds to me like those descriptions of Germans who came up with some sort of reason they were afraid of Jews in the 1930s. Some Jew or other had somehow insulted or dominated them; they knew someone who was victimized by some Jew or other, etc. etc. — there are a thousand stories like this to explain why every aggressor has done every abusive act to every victim from the beginning of recorded history. It is not only not an excuse, it is a non-excuse meant to engender sympathy for the ABUSER and the BULLY and it is amoral to assume that because we can find reasons to claim Zimmerman was fearful and defensive, we can understand what he did.

    What we need is a society that says we will insist on a certain standard of behavior and if you cannot meet that standard, although we can understand you, you really have to deal with the consequences, and your boo hoo stories don’t count. After all, are we going to assume that Trayvon Martin did not have a collection of these “I have reason to feel afraid and defensive” stories? He could have had a whole boatload of them, and if he reacted with fear and defensiveness to Zimmerman that night, that could very well have “explained” anything HE DID. But we, as a society, must say that you can’t just activate your own scared-child stories or your own defensive-neighbor stories or your own ANYTHING STORIES to the point where you take the liberty of taking somebody else’s life.

    1. Malisha, anyone care to count the reasons an African American male might have concern re being approached or questioned by a white male.

      I don’t doubt that perceptions and race played a role in this incident. But I place major blame on the law which gives a clear basis for the involved parties to escalate the incident rather than back away.

      I will admit that I do not hold Zimmerman in high regard. But I will bet that he was more than savvy regarding concealed carry. I would bet he could quote chapter and verse regarding concealed carry and self defense. Clearly I am stating my subjective impression and you are free to disagree.

      The point I am leading to is that if the law required that Zimmerman attempt to retreat, my guess is that he would have done exactly that and both men would have come through unscathed.

      The problem with this law is that it naturally leads two innocent parties, on the basis of nothing more than fear, to the worst possible outcome. Of course, a situation involving two innocent parties is likely to be the best possible case. When either or both parties are less reasonable or belligerent then it is even more certain that the outcome will be tragic.

      In other areas of law there is a presumption that individuals have an obligation to mitigate damages. But in this area, where the possible outcome is final and irrevocable, there is nothing to suggest an obligation to find a less damaging outcome. Is that stark raving mad or what?

      Some states require a drug test of welfare recipients. I would like to be the first to demand legislation that would require a sobriety test for legislators before they vote. A comprehension test to assure that they have actually read the legislation they are voting on would not hurt either.

  17. LeeJCaroll I hear you loud and clear. More than that, whenever there is court corruption, the victim of the corruption HAS TO PAY, and the reason is: THe loser has to be kept from doing anything effective about the corruption. Think of it: Were it not for Sharpton and lots of others lending free help to Trayvon Martin’s family, they would NEVER have been able to mount a campaign to get the corruption issue even INVESTIGATED after their kid was killed.

    Losers tend to lose more and more if they both (a) were subjected to corruption in the original loss and (b) then try to do something about it, and try to bring attention to it.

    IF THIS WERE NOT TRUE THERE WOULD BE MUCH LESS CORRUPTION IN THE COURTS.

    That is why I have dug in my heels in fighting what would seem to be a useless vestigial (money only) part of my own experience with judicial corruption: because I have devoted the rest of my life to uncovering, identifying and DOING SOMETHING ABOUT the original corruption that caused the whole thing to happen. Fortunately, my kid did not get killed; but he did get HURT and I can’t change that but I can use my energy, going forward, to make a loud noise about it, money loss or money gain.

  18. Malisha, like making the koser in a med mal case pay all the costs. Blame the victim, hey, why not?

  19. Otteray Scribe, thanks, I knew she had identified herself but I couldn’t remember her name and didn’t stop to do the research. Listen, I have to both thank and apologize; I put things up on blogs regarding stuff I can’t exactly remember, and folks who know more than I do come in and provide all my research for me, and give me links and information, etc. And some folks even put up great music for me that I can’t figure out how to play by myself — all FREE!

    The role Dershowitz played in that drama was the one that I remembered best. Guys allegedly raping women — old story. Alleged victims unable to convince their peers that it happened — old old story. But Harvard Professor of Constitutional Law spouting off that a failure to convict should be seen as a case of perjury on the part of a complaining witness? New and different — at least by that time in our sad judicial history.

    Maybe not now. Maybe if Zimmerman DOES get convicted, they’ll go ahead and make new laws in Florida that the person killed is then postumously convicted of assault with intent to kill if the accused killer is acquitted! And I would expect Dershowitz to go on the evening news and argue that it should be made a RETROACTIVE LAW so that all the Trayvon Martins in the world can stand up and take notice: DO NOT TRY TO KILL GEORGE ZIMMERMAN-TYPES WHO THINK YOU’RE ASSHOLES! Think of the mandatory sentencing that would go with THAT one!

    And think of what some of our co-commentators would be calling those of us who were trying to defend Trayvon Martin.

    Scotty: BEAM ME UP!!!!!!!!!

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