Submitted by: Mike Spindell, guest blogger
Some comments in the ongoing debate regarding the candidacy of Elizabeth Warren got me to thinking about our political system and people’s reactions to it. Warren is criticized by the Right for obvious reasons, given her strong stances on managing the economy and controlling the excesses of the Corporate Culture. In a sense she offends their sense of political purity, but then that is but a given because she is a Democrat. We have seen though on the Right that such conservative stalwarts as Richard Lugar have gone down to primary defeat because he failed the Tea Parties test of what a “true” conservative should be. Richard Lugar failed the “purity” test even though his conservative history is impeccable. In my conception political purity conforms to “party line” thinking, punishing those that fail to adhere in all respects to the standards of a given faction’s concept of standards their candidates must adhere to in order to retain enthusiastic support. I use “faction”, rather than “party”, because our two party political system actually represents an amalgam of various factions imperfectly coalescing under the rubric of a “Political Party”.
From a Left, or even Centrist perspective, there has been both amusement and trepidation about how the “Tea Party” faction has exerted control over the Republican Party. Then too, there is the same reaction to the power exerted by Fundamentalist Christians, a group that at some points overlaps with the “Tea Party”. A human trait is to see the foibles of groups we define as “other”, while being oblivious to the idiosyncrasies of the groups we are aligned with. Liberals, Progressives, Radicals and even Leftist Centrists like to believe that they are immune from the turmoil that they see in their Right Wing opposites, yet the “Left” and even the “Center” also routinely define people in terms of litmus tests of political purity. This was highlighted by certain comments on the Warren thread where people who were seemingly in tune with her domestic policy views, disliked her positions on the Middle East and appeared to hold them against her. This has definitely been true with many progressives and/or civil libertarians in viewing this current Administration. My purpose here is not one of castigation for anyone’s perspective; rather I’m interested in exploring the phenomenon of the belief that political figures need to meet all of our expectations in their positions, or be unworthy of our support. My own perspective is that tests of political purity are self defeating because it is impossible for any particular political figure to be in perfect agreement with all that any of us individually believe and politics becomes oppression without the ability to negotiate. The process of real negotiation requires compromise. What follows is why I believe that is true. Before my discussion though, I think a definition of perspectives would be helpful. There are some of us, including myself to a certain degree, who believe that we are living under a corporate oligarchy and as such the common pretense that our national fate is in the hands of the majority’s vote, is but pleasant mythology. I wrote about this in my guest blog Published 1, March 17, 2012: http://jonathanturley.org/2012/03/17/a-real-history-of-the-last-sixty-two-years/ .One logical conclusion that can be drawn from believing that democracy is an illusion, is that voting is a wasted effort, since whatever person we choose will either be a corporate stooge, or unelectable. I can respect those who draw that conclusion since the evidence of its truth is quite convincing. My own conclusion is not quite there yet, even though I do believe that we are under the rule of a coalition of the Military Industrial Complex and of the Corporate Elite. The redeeming feature to me is that I don’t believe in the homogeneity of the “ruling classes”. I think that they are made up of various factions and roiled by clashing egos. In my estimation voting for politicians thus has value because the vote affects the competition among our oligarchs. There is a qualitative difference for instance between Buffett/Gates and the Koch Brothers, in the sense that the former believe in more humane social policies and the latter have a draconian social view.
If one believes that Democracy is completely illusory, then why bother voting, since voting is a futile exercise? The logical conclusion of such a belief is to disdain all of American politics and politicians as being tools of the Oligarchy. From that perspective it isn’t a question of particular policy, since almost every player in normative politics is not to be trusted. So the question becomes how do the people change things when the political process is believed to be non-existent? Obviously, if it is ones view that America politics is a total sham, then a massive uprising of the people would be needed to make change. How does that uprising occur? Will its’ nature be peaceful, or violent? While I know there are “militias” out in the hills of places like Idaho, are they capable of banding together to overthrow our current government, I think not. Violent revolutions always seem to breed unforeseen and unpleasant excesses, which make their original aims moot. So the question becomes how do we effect a peaceful revolution? The answer is simple, but the process itself is immensely complex. A peaceful revolution can come about when you are able to convince an overwhelming majority of the people that the current system needs change and that they need to refuse to cooperate with it. Think of the Montgomery Bus Boycott. When the media is in the hands of corporations though, the issue is one of how does the message of change come across to reach the populace? It’s a question I’ve pondered for years.
Back in the 60’s there was the idea of “dropping out” of a corrupt system. Its problem was that it was espoused by many and practiced by few. The truth was that for those “dropping out” the system didn’t miss their participation, nor would it now. A current conservative stratagem is to make voting harder, thereby limiting turnout of voters negative to their cause. We solve nothing by not voting. We could vote, but cast our votes for nascent opposition parties. This is not a bad premise in my estimation, even though in our loaded political system, minority party effectiveness is more limited than under parliamentary government. Let us think though about a minority party legislator’s ability to be effective once elected, since I assume that the process of gaining political power through organizing a minority party opposition would be slow and could be violently opposed. Think of the police reactions to Occupy Wall Street. However, OWS does show that the elite can feel threatened by a mass movement.
When we discuss the election of someone whose political views are outside of what the “mainstream allows”, we need to take into account how much positive influence they can have on the political process, if they are unwilling to compromise their “political purity”. Let us take the real instance of Senator Bernie Sanders, a socialist, as he does his job in the Senate. I believe that Bernie is the most ethical and perceptive Senator we have had in the Senate in a long time. He is also an effective Senator in terms of being able to not only put forth a progressive point of view, but to actually influence Senate activity. In order to be effective in the Senate, Bernie has had to compromise on certain issues and thus would certainly be seen from the orthodox socialist perspective to have sold out. In contrast let us take another man whose career I’ve admired, Dennis Kucinich. Dennis has been an aggressive/effective spokesman on a national level for unpopular, yet valid causes. Within the house though he has not been able to effectuate change simply because Dennis does not do compromise well
In today’s world a political change process is mainly effectuated in four ways:
1. Violent revolution, which is highly problematic at best.
2. Massive non cooperation with the system, ala Gandhi and King, which can be very successful based
upon the right circumstances.
3. Organizing and creating an opposition political movement, a possibly fruitful, yet hard process to carry
out with success..
4. Working within the system, imperfect as it may be, to effect slow change.
All of the above can be work to effect change in a given context, but one factor is a given no matter which method is chosen. To build a mass movement in a diverse population the need to compromise is paramount. This need to compromise is called “coalition building”. The Right has been effective at this for years when you think of the coalition between religious fundamentalists, lukewarm objectivists and outright corporatists. What would Jesus, Ayn Rand and even Adam Smith think of the ways their teachings have been presumably melded? In the past the Left also coalesced around certain issues, bringing together groups that were hardly homogeneous. However, from the 60’s onward building of coalitions on the Left has broken down. “Centrists” and “Liberals” became anathema to “progressives” and “radicals”. After all that he had accomplished Martin Luther King became an “Uncle Tom” in the minds of “Black Power” advocates for his refusal to entertain the concept of violence as a tool.
The Left coalition also began to break down in the 60’s over the issue of Viet Nam. Working class union members generally supported the war that was drafting and killing their children. The leadership of the AFL-CIO, who had striven to disassociate themselves from Marxism during the McCarthy era, had become part of the country’s establishment. As George Meany, the AFL-CIO President, began to play golf with Eisenhower and major industrialists, the Union movement swung away from its Left Wing roots. The fact that the labor movement was overwhelmingly “white working class” in an era where Blacks were demanding equal status also took its toll on the coalition between Big Labor and the Democratic Party. The AFL-CIO and Teamsters supported Richard Nixon in 1968..
The labor movement’s departure from coalition with the Democratic Party was to have devastating consequences for its strength. Their workers, doing well financially aspired to a scaled down version of the American Dream. The threat that competition with Blacks for jobs and with the Left’s critique of muscular foreign policy, helped drive white workers into the Republican Party. The fact that their leadership had become cozy with Management and Republicans led the way. The power of the labor movement waned until today it is a shadow of what it once was. The Left coalition forged under FDR and informed experientially by the “Great Depression”, began to fight amongst themselves. The battles increasingly became issues of “purity of political belief”. When a person’s political value is weighed on only specific issues that are politically “black and white”, coalition becomes almost impossible. Without the ability to coalesce “Movements” face severe limitations in their ability to grow.
I believe that in the desire for reforming our governance to work for the interests of all the people, all viable methods must be used. Of the four methods I list above I believe that only the latter three are really viable. A violent revolution in this country will only hasten the totality of oppression, since violent revolutions never seem to work out the way people have planned and that the people once having risen find themselves ruled harshly by those they so hopefully followed. Refute this premise if you will, but please don’t cite the American Revolution. While it certainly had violence it was a rebellion of colonies against an overseas colonial state. By revolution I mean the rebellion of a people in a certain geographical area against their own government.
Methodologically, none of the three methods can work without bringing together people of differing standards via a coalition that accepts deviation from a “party line”. This seems obvious to me since rarely do those who wish change agree on all issues. Are there “deal breakers” that cannot brook compromise? That depends upon the individual, the perceived threat and the current circumstance. I have my own deal breakers, certainly, but I invoke them in context of my reading of the perceived threat.
What do you the reader think of the argument I’ve made? If you disagree please let me know, since I understand that on any given subject I can be wrong and I am really willing to learn. If you agree with me then what are your “deal breakers”? Perhaps if you show me yours, I’ll show you mine.
Submitted by: Mike Spindell, guest blogger
Bron,
“are you a psychiatrist?”
Not on paper, but both my hobbies and my training require that I be a student of human nature. This is aided by a lifelong proclivity to be a people watcher. In addition, I can read, understand and apply diagnostic criteria to observed behaviors in forming my personal opinions. Although I may not be able to prescribe a course of treatment or medications because I lack the proper certifications in no way diminishes the clarity or astuteness of observation and applying those observations to the scientific method and standards of the profession. That I don’t have the proper paperwork to sell my services as a psychiatrist is irrelevant.
However, if you wish to change the subject from thee to me and my economics prowess, I’ll just remind you again that it has been repeatedly demonstrated that you have no idea what most of the terms you use – like socialism – actually mean in their technical context. You also tend to quote the less than reputable Ludwig von Mises (who was no more an economist than my cat is) as well as any other source that appeals to your “greed is good” confirmation bias instead of looking at economics in the context of society.
However, that we disagree on economics has nothing to do with “calling you names”.
I call you a sociopath because you act like a sociopath. Repeatedly. Being accurate in a description of one’s behavior is not “calling you a name”. It’s merely being accurate and using language properly. Both things you have a noted problem with doing.
That we disagree on economics and that I think you are a sociopath are unrelated other than your preference in economics shows a willingness to accept the non-scientific (like von Mises) over the empirical and prefer those economist who cater to your personal lack of empathy and love of money.
If I audit them, they better be nice. Do you know what a permanent adjustment is? Don’t answer that question.
I already have the biggest boat I need.
Matt’s johnson:
Gene H is pretty smart but some of it is lawyer rhetorical skills, Tony C is not as smart as Gene H.
I dont know them in real life so it is hard to tell how smart they really are, with the internet you can appear to be a genius.
They certainly proclaim how smart they are but there again you have to wonder about some one who proclaims how Christian they are. I imagine it works the same way for people who proclaim how smart they are. Tony C has never said the area of study of his PhD. If it is education or sociology or something along those lines it isnt intellectually rigorous.
It also depends on where he got it, was it University of Phoenix or University of Chicago.
matt’s johnson:
buy a bigger boat and I am tired of telling you that.
I bet most of your clients get audited.
Bron 1, June 14, 2012 at 7:24 pm
matt’s johnson:
Some one who would say that about a person is a sociopath. You fill right in with Gene H and Tony C.
They like to call people names with whom they dont agree.
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You have a problem, Bron. They’re smarter than you, and they’re smarter than me. They get to pay for the beer.
Tony C:
did you know that many farmers name their animals and show affection to them and eat them?
I have heard it is almost a right of passage for a farm kid to eat a pet.
Funny how you and Gene H are into subjective morality for different cultures. But call me a sociopath because I might eat a chicken that I named and which lays eggs for me.
You are full of shit.
Bron,
What happens if a rising tide swamps your boat? And I’m really getting tired of telling you that.
matt’s johnson:
Some one who would say that about a person is a sociopath. You fill right in with Gene H and Tony C.
They like to call people names with whom they dont agree.
Tony C:
very interesting, a shrink would have a field day with you guys.
Gene H:
are you a psychiatrist?
I know you arent much of an economist:
“But it’s not just the oil companies that are hiring. The oil boom has brought such a big influx of people that every single industry — from hospitality to retail — has been hit with overwhelming demand as a result.
Driving down Main Street in the more than 20,000-person town of Williston, N.D., which has the highest average salary in the state of a little more than $57,000 and about 2,500 job openings at any given time, you’ll see one hiring sign after another.
I doubled my salary in North Dakota
At fast-food chains, the going rate is about $15 an hour. Hair salons, pharmacies, banks, hospitals, gas stations, bars and clothing stores are also desperately looking for employees and paying a pretty penny to keep them from defecting for the oil fields. Even the local strip club is booming, with dancers making up to $3,000 a night.
“If someone doesn’t have a job here, they don’t want to work,” said Wenko.
To find a job in Williston or any of the nearby oil towns, including Stanley, New Town, Tioga, Dickinson or Minot, check out North Dakota’s official job service portal, Job Service North Dakota, or visit job portals or Craigslist.org where there are several local postings.”
A rising tide does raise all boats.
Bron,
You are far from cute. Death by a thousand cuts. That’s you. That’s why you keep posting here. You lose.
You’re not Christian. You’re nothing. Leave.
@Bron: You do not understand empathy because you do not feel it. We are the opposite of sociopaths, we are the society, you are the one that claims society is just a collection of people, because you do not understand society, because you are exclusively selfish, because you do not have empathy.
The lie you told was not about “never saying never,” the lie you told was to use language you had to know implied you had an emotional connection to your chickens as pets; you try to give them funny names, you would never eat them, you pamper them. It was a lie because you betrayed yourself immediately with your callous disregard for their lives, pain, or distress. You continue to do that, by saying “pampered” meant they did not have to do anything. (Funny, I thought their job was to convert feed into eggs, which means they probably work harder than you do.)
“Not having to do anything” is far more callous than affectionate, in case the nuance escapes you; you make it sound like you have lazy welfare chickens.
That was the lie, pretending affection where there was one. Which is what I expect of you on health care, police, firefighting, poverty, unemployment, elderly assistance and education, a pretense of caring when you really feel nothing, and just like your chickens, do not really give a shit whether people live or die if they aren’t putting something in your pocket.
Bron,
Perhaps your problem isn’t simple denial, but a form of anosognosia – a physiological condition in which a person who suffers disability seems unaware of the existence of his or her disability. However, given your constant resort to projection when confronted with your sociopathic tendencies, I suspect it is simple denial. That you have created the impression with multiple parties on multiple occasions that you are a sociopath though is most telling though. That you espouse a “philosophy” that was created by a diagnosable sociopath and has sociopathic tenets is even more so revealing. That you think you are the hero of your own story does not negate the perception of others that there is something very wrong with you and while you can fool some of the people some of the time the only person you can fool all the time is yourself.
I know, I know, everyone else is to blame, you’re really a good guy and just misunderstood. Poor you. Everyone else are a bunch of bad guys or Communists or whatever. Blah, blah, blah.
Too bad for you nobody else is buying in to your “heroic” Gaultian self-image but rather base their opinions of you on the views you espouse and how you do so.
Tony C:
of course you cant let people die, and I believe if you go back and look at what I have said, I am for paying a fee to provide for the uninsured like we do with drivers insurance in Virginia.
I think you guys are the sociopaths, you talk about empathy way too much. I have usually found that people who talk about how Christian they are usually arent. i have a suspicion that it works that way for empathy as well.
It is really cute.
@Matt: Sociopaths do not have empathy, so they fail to understand it, like those born deaf are never really transported by music, or those born blind only understand color by analogies. Sociopaths fundamentally believe everybody thinks just like them, selfishly, so they will always attempt to define any action as somehow, in some way, being a selfish action. Thus, in their view, anybody that would constrain them can only be doing it for selfish reasons, and they think it is forcing them to work for somebody else, either directly or indirectly. They really cannot comprehend altruism, or “general welfare,” or the Kennedy metaphor of a rising tide lifting all boats (like a free public education being ultimately better for the economy and making everybody better off).
Their failure to comprehend the empathy of others is what makes it impossible for them to design a society anybody wants to live in. They balk when people say, “You cannot just let people die because they do not have insurance!” Statements like that confuse them, internally they are saying, “Of course you can! What is stopping you?”
Because of course, they can, and without any empathy, nothing would stop them.
And once again, thanks for the interesting TED link, W=^..^
That site never ceases to please when it comes to interesting ideas.
I hate to say I told you so, but . . . I told you so.
Tony C can explain this better than I can. If a sociopath feels sorry, they’re only feeling sorry for themselves. It’s the way their brain is wired. They simply aren’t capable of any empathy. The ones that aren’t physically dangerous will kill you by a thousand cuts.
Very interesting video, W=^..^
http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/chris_jordan_pictures_some_shocking_stats.html