The bookstore chain Barnes and Noble issued a rather belated apology to Dr. Omar Amin, 73, of Scottsdale, after he was thrown out of a children’s book section in Arizona. He was told that men are not allowed to be in the children’s section unless they are accompanied by a minor. That’s right. He was told that as a man he was viewed as a danger if reading alone in the section.
Amin was shopping for books for his grandchildren at his neighborhood bookstore when a female customer complained that a man was seen reading alone in the section. Barnes & Noble employee Todd Voris reported explained that men are viewed as potential child abusers if they are alone in the section.
What is fascinating is that the company responded to the incident by publicly supporting the decision to throw Amin out — insisting that Voris “acted appropriately.” What followed was days of criticism of the company.
Finally, yesterday the company did a complete 180 turn and denounced the decision as wrong and unacceptable. Now, Barnes & Noble vice president Mark Bottini maintains that “[i]t is not our policy to ask customers to leave any section of our stores without justification. We value Dr. Amin as a customer and look forward to welcoming him in any of our stores.”
Once again, I am amazed by the ineptitude of major corporations in such controversies. The company had to have deliberated on the first response and decision to embrace the policy. Then it abandoned that position and denounced the very act that it previously called appropriate.
There is something perverse in our society that the image of an elderly man reading in a children’s section is enough to send a woman to the front desk to report a suspected child molester.
Source: Daily Mail
Anon would leap into the discussion with a bunch of PAS stuff, and I even toyed with the guess that Anon considered himself the victim of some false allegations.
Hey, you brought up Richard Gardner (again), so uh, you started it babe.
And yes, I’ve said many times that I have been the victim of false allegations. If I were a woman, you would be consoling me and sympathetic, since I am a man, you assume I am unaware of my pathology and you blame me.
Don’t buy books for your grand children. The flies are too busy in America.
There are also lots of women in ALL the Fathers’ Rights and PAS and other “Moms Are Wicked” organizations. Some of them are there because they are aligned with men who give them lots of kudos for being better than the terrible Bitch they married last time around; these women specialize in being the enforcers, the harem queens, whose job it is to show up the “bad Vashti” by means of the “good Esther.” Some of the other women who become quite passionate (emphasis on PASSIONATE) about the wickedness of parental alienators are a sort of sad set of people who have had something in their childhood that has made them identify with the aggressor, go over to the abuser’s side, and turn on the weak mother who not only failed to protect them, but then got shown up for the terrible person she was to cause all the problems in the beginning.
Yes, this is exactly as I’ve described.’
Women that buy into the feminist line without skepticism are heralded as rational, capable, empowered women.
Women that are skeptical about feminist claims are traitors, fools, brainwashed, oppressed, abused, weak, attention whores.
As I said, feminists hold women in very low regard.
@ Anon: “If women are so easily brainwashed and victimized, I think we need to put them back into the kitchen and keep them pregnant. I tend to think better of women than Malisha apparently does.”
Anon, I can figure out how you can put them back into the kitchen, but tell me: how are you going to keep them pregnant?
(Remember, I needed a good straight man.)
Curious, please, I am NOT A LAWYER, NOT A LAWYER, NAL NAL NAL!
But bless you, I hope you never need one.
Anon, you’re really wound up and ready for playing at top speed for a very long time. It is funny, but when I wrote about the elderly gentleman who should not have been kicked out of the book store, as I typed up the line that observed that if a mother complained about the sexual abuse of her child she would be disempowered and punished, I actually thought (but did not write because it was not really germane) that Anon would leap into the discussion with a bunch of PAS stuff, and I even toyed with the guess that Anon considered himself the victim of some false allegations. Your previous defensiveness and hostility toward mothers was so obvious, but it was just a good educated guess.
You cannot impress me (perhaps you can impress others on this blog but not me) with the protestations of all the brilliant people who are active in the PAS and FMS organizations or any like them. I have actually seen real parental alienation but it is not what is commonly described by the PAS guys and it is not a “syndrome” at all; it is a bad behavior, and it is often practiced BY a court, or by a social services agency that wants to be rid of someone who investigates their procedures a bit too closely. Then there are jurisdictions that have very active baby-adoption components in their child protection agencies and they help folks (for a little cash on the side) get healthy white babies right from their own backyards, by means of attacks on economically disabled parents (mostly single mothers) and the use of one or another kind of “expert” in one or another field. So you can find PLENTY OF PEOPLE with all kinds of letters after their names, women probably more often than men, in the very lucrative business of identifying and “lifting” the babies from bad mothers. It only takes six months and a law guardian can make a fortune churning out enough junk science to fill a doctored file.
There are also lots of women in ALL the Fathers’ Rights and PAS and other “Moms Are Wicked” organizations. Some of them are there because they are aligned with men who give them lots of kudos for being better than the terrible Bitch they married last time around; these women specialize in being the enforcers, the harem queens, whose job it is to show up the “bad Vashti” by means of the “good Esther.” Some of the other women who become quite passionate (emphasis on PASSIONATE) about the wickedness of parental alienators are a sort of sad set of people who have had something in their childhood that has made them identify with the aggressor, go over to the abuser’s side, and turn on the weak mother who not only failed to protect them, but then got shown up for the terrible person she was to cause all the problems in the beginning.
None of this is new or different; it is simple abuser technology, in use all over the world, and not ONLY by misogynist men, but by all sorts of emotional cripples who fall in thrall to them and their ilk.
I have known a great many women who have been abused by men, and I have known not a small number of men who have been abused by women. I have known mothers who have deliberately alienated their children from their fathers — very few, three to be exact — and in one of those cases, the father that the mother alienated the kids from was actually a very dangerous guy, although neither evil nor unkind.
My father-in-law was horribly abused by my mother-in-law. I became aware of it shortly after I met them both, and I felt acutely embarrassed by it because although my husband and his brother and sister also could see the constant vicious abuse, they acted as if they did not notice. When my father-in-law hung himself in the basement of our house, my then husband at first blamed his sister 80% and me 20% (which was insane of course) but then within a few days had it all worked out that it was 80/20 the OTHER WAY, and finally absolved his sister and laid it ALL on me.
And how does this happen, Anon? Easy. When the going gets rough, a guy who presumes that he has done no wrong will find someone to blame for everything. Historically, that is not difficult. For someone who doesn’t really want to do the hard work of self-examination, especially if there is a divorce brewing, he can become better and better and better, and purer and finer and more noble, minute by minute, day by day, and anyone who is not as squarely in his own corner as he is himself has been “alienated” from him either by the wicked witch who controls the world (called EX) or by those strident, vicious, man-hating feminists.
It’s same-old same-old. It is also why girls should really be educated in the ways of the real world: Have a child? At your own risk.
I don’t feel as paranoid anymore when I shop for gifts for my girlfriend’s daughter. I always wonder if anybody sees me and thinks I’m some sorta pedophile because I’m a grown man in the kid’s section and I don’t have a child with me… Apparently… THEY DO!
What do feminists call a woman that believes the feminist line: a feminist, rational, capable, intelligent, empowered, and yet, a victim of men.
What do feminists call a woman skeptical of feminist claims: brainwashed by men, abused, victims of men.
If women are so easily brainwashed and victimized, I think we need to put them back into the kitchen and keep them pregnant.
I tend to think better of women than Malisha apparently does.
If you believe Malisha, all of these doctors, nurses, judges, lawyers, and others, and see how many of them are women, are clueless victims of a junk science.
What their own experience tells them means nothing, what they see in their patients and in courtrooms is wrong.
Malisha and other feminists know better. They know the truth.
http://www.isnaf.info/
ISNAF
International Support Network
for Alienated Familes
International Support Network for Alienated Families (ISNAF) was founded in 2008 by Karen Lebow. Karen Lebow, a loving mother, and a social worker with two master’s degrees and an honorary doctorate became an alienated parent. For the past 30 years she has helped families who were in tough situations. Despite her background she came up empty without anyone to turn to when she became an alienated parent.
http://www.amyjlbaker.com/
Amy J. L. Baker, Ph.D
Researcher, author and expert in the field of Parental Alienation Syndrome or PAS
Adult Children of Parental Alienation Syndrome:
Breaking the Ties that Bind
What happens to children who are manipulated by one parent to turn against the other? Do these children ever figure it out and reconcile with their “lost” parent?
Curriculum Vitae
Dr. Baker has a Ph.D. in Developmental Psychology from Teachers College of Columbia University.
Her areas of research include parental alienation, child welfare, parent involvement in their children’s education, early intervention, and attachment. She is the Director of Research at the Vincent J. Fontana Center for Child Protection.
She is the author or co-author of 3 books and over 45 peer reviewed articles.
http://www.paawareness.org – Parental Alienation Awareness Organization
Because most people do not know about PA & HAP until they experience it, the idea of Parental Alienation Awareness Organization was put forth to help raise awareness and provide education about this growing problem of mental and emotional child abuse.
Our mission is to educate the general public, schools, police, mental health counselors, religious leaders, as well as the perpetrators who may be unaware of the effect of alienating behaviors, and how these behaviors harm children. Our goal is education. We believe that with education comes understanding, and the will and power to stop the emotional and mental abuse of children.
Jill Egizii ~ PAAO President Alderman Jill Egizii is an elected official in Illinois. She serves on the Illinois Family Law Study Committee. She hosts a radio and television show titled Family Matters with her co-host Judge Michele Lowrance. Jill has been on the United Cerebral Palsy Board and Executive Committee for 17 years and is a strong voice for children and adults with disabilities. She is the author of the novel “The Look of Love” which deals with parental alienation and divorce. She is the mother of 4 children experiencing parental alienation.
Rhonda Pisanello ~ Director – Alberta, Canada
Wendy Archer~PAAO Director
Organizations run by the clueless according to Malisha, these are believers in junk science:
http://www.crckidsillinois.org/ – The best parent is both parents
http://www.fathersandfamilies.org/ – We seek better lives for children through family court reform that establishes equal rights and responsibilities for fathers and mothers.
your points are interesting. Not to jump on women but your statistics seem valid based on my own observations. Single women have a hard time raising children on their own but are the women to blame or are the husbands who often head to greener pastures to blame?
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But the real issue, in my mind, is why arent fathers sticking around to raise their children and why is society making it easy for fathers to skirt their responsibilities?
Well I am certainly no expert, and the atmosphere has been poisoned on all sides and made worse by 1) family lawyers who just exploit the hell out of it and game all sides and 2) feminists and feminist researchers that do the same and just lie lie lie.
But there are many reasons fathers don’t stick around to raise their children.
1. Welfare economics that give incentives to birth mothers to raise kids on their own
2. The abuse of fathers in family court. I stuck around and tried to be a good father even though the mother has made it impossible and alienated the kids and it has killed my career and killed much of my life. Friends of mine that did leave, just got out, regardless of how much they wanted to be part of their kids’ lives? I think now in hindsight they made a better choice for themselves.
3. Abuse from the mother in terms of parental alienation and interference with visitation. Only a few states will do anything at all to enforce visitation. And by the time it gets to court months later (10 months in my current case), it has cost thousands of dollars and the kids are very alienated.
You can verify a lot of this by visiting the glennsacks.com source page — just google it.
Glenn used to be a wonderful advocate for fathers, he is not neutral, but he is very fair. About six months ago he dropped off the radar, and I hope he is okay.
One statistic that helps verify it is that by far and away, mothers file far more divorces than fathers. Malisha will overlook the bias, and applaud it when necessary, but courts know it is there, it’s in the stats plain as day.
Feminists hate Glenn Sacks, but if you read his stuff, it’s hard to see why except how persuasive he is.
Another good speaker to these issues is Robert Franklin at http://www.fathersandfamilies.org/
More and more states are moving to rebuttable presumptions of joint shared custody between fathers and mothers. Feminists hate that, ask yourself why would feminists hate that if what they claim is true, that abusive men rule the courtrooms and win?
anon:
your points are interesting. Not to jump on women but your statistics seem valid based on my own observations. Single women have a hard time raising children on their own but are the women to blame or are the husbands who often head to greener pastures to blame?
I would say women are nurturing creatures by nature and have a hard time playing the heavy. They do not have authoritative voices and are typically no match for a 13 year old boy physically. It is no wonder they have a hard time raising children by themselves, my hat goes off to any woman who has raised well rounded children by herself, it was a herculean task.
But the real issue, in my mind, is why arent fathers sticking around to raise their children and why is society making it easy for fathers to skirt their responsibilities?
Malisha,
May you continue to comment FOREVER! If this 70 year old grandma ever gets in trouble, I sure as hell want you as my attorney.
Tony C:
Political Correctness is what is called Critical Theory. It was formalized by a think tank in Germany at Franfurt University in 1923 called the Institute for Social Research, they had wanted to call it the Institute for Marxism.
Some of the early members were Max Horkheimer, Theodore Adorno, Erich Fromm and Herbert Marcuse.
They relocated to Columbia University in the early 1930’s to escape Hitler.
By the way Critical Theory is nothing more than destructive criticism of a society.
So no Political Correctness didnt necessarily start in academia, it actually is a tenet of Marxism, it was codified in academia.
By the way Herbert Marcuse is author of Eros and Civilization which had some influence with 60’s radicals.
It is truly amazing what you can find on the Internet.
“By the way, PAS is not just junk science, it’s misogynist crap recycled as junk science.”
Yeah, you should tell that to the women doctors and nurses that found and attend PAS sessions.
Tell these people they don’t know how figure out what’s science and what’s not, and tell them their eyes are lying to them in their personal and professional lives.
Or tell all of us that you’ve never heard, they’ve never heard a real case where one parent poisoned the kids against the other parent.
lottakatz,
“Most child sexual abuse is committed by men; studies show that women commit 14% to 40% of offenses reported against boys and 6% of offenses reported against girls”
The problem is a lot of child abuse is committed by mother’s new boyfriends or mother’s new husband.
That gets listed as male abuser which then gets conflated as father, but in reality it’s the mother that has let the abuse occur, and it’s not by a family member except for mommy dearest.
Similarly, you sit in a thread and having never attended a PAS conference you tell us all about how these doctors, nurses, and lawyers, have been mislead and you are the only one with the truth.
Malisha you expressly compared this thread (and past threads) to when you talk to holocaust deniers.
You’ve done it before. You will do it again.
All while waving your panties around and screaming that’s not what you are doing.