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Deja Vue in Florida?

Respectfully submitted by Lawrence Rafferty (rafflaw)- Guest Blogger

It seems that trouble is brewing again in the State of Florida since election officials have discovered suspicious voter registration forms in at least 10 Florida counties.  “Florida elections officials said Friday that at least 10 counties have identified suspicious and possibly fraudulent voter registration forms turned in by a firm working for the Republican Party of Florida, which has filed an election fraud complaint with the state Division of Elections against its one-time consultant.”  LA Times 

If you guessed that these possibly fraudulent registration forms were just a minor error or blip on the registration screen, you might be wrong. When you have these documents turning up in 10 counties, including the two largest counties, Miami-Dade and Duval counties, people should sit up and notice.

“Vicki Davis, president of the Florida State Assn. of Supervisors of Elections, said Friday that she had heard from elections officials in Lee, Bay, Clay, Santa Rosa, Escambia and Okaloosa counties who had also identified problematic voter registration forms turned in by the Florida GOP. Pasco County officials discovered possibly fraudulent forms during the Republican primary, Davis said.  Cate, the spokesman for the state elections division, said possibly fraudulent forms have also been reported in Miami-Dade and Duval, two of the state’s most populous counties.  The number of suspicious voter registration applications was unusual, Davis said. “There might be an occasional one, but I don’t think we’ve ever had this number of counties that have had this number of cases all at the same time,” she said.”  LA Times

The company at the heart of this potential scandal was recommended to the state Republican organizations by the Republican National Committee.  “The controversy in Florida — which began with possibly fraudulent forms that first cropped up in Palm Beach County — has engulfed the Republican National Committee, which admitted Thursday that it urged state parties in seven swing states to hire the firm, Strategic Allied Consulting.The RNC paid the company at least $3.1 million — routed through the state parties of Florida, Nevada, Colorado, North Carolina and Virginia — to register voters and run get-out-the-vote operations. Wisconsin and Ohio had not yet paid the firm for get-out-the-vote operations it was contracted to do.”  LA Times

Does it concern anyone else that all the states involved so far could be considered swing states in the upcoming Presidential election?  If this company was working in several other states, could this improper activity show up in the other states listed?  These improper registration forms could cause havoc at the polling booth and force many legal voters to vote by provisional ballot, that in many cases never get counted.  This is not the first time the owner behind this company has been in trouble.  The history behind Nathan Sproul, is interesting to say the least.

“The firm’s founder, Nathan Sproul, is a longtime Republican strategist whose reputation was tarred by widespread accusations of voter registration fraud and attempts to suppress Democratic voter turnout. George W. Bush’s campaign reportedly paid Sproul over $8 million for his work in the 2004 election. Sproul, now under new scrutiny, claims he started Strategic Allied Consulting because the RNC wanted to hide his past:

Sproul said he created Strategic Allied Consulting at the RNC’s request because the party wanted to avoid being publicly linked to the past allegations. The firm was set up at a Virginia address, and Sproul does not show up on the corporate paperwork.

“In order to be able to do the job that the state parties were hiring us to do, the [RNC] asked us to do it with a different company’s name, so as to not be a distraction from the false information put out in the Internet,” Sproul said.”  Think Progress

Why would the RNC push this company on the state organizations, knowing the shaky history of Mr. Sproul?   If I remember correctly, the Republican Party crucified ACORN when they admitted that certain employees had turned in improper registration forms and turned in those employees to the authorities.  Is the Liberal Media going to follow the same path and relentlessly attack Mr. Sproul and his organization and the RNC for these alleged voter registration transgressions?

Since the RNC suggested that Sproul start-up a whole new company to do this work, is this an example of a planned dirty trick by the Republican Party or is it just an example of a guy with a checkered past not doing a good job at supervising his workers?  “The suspected fraud included apparent cases of dead people being registered as Republican voters, said Paul Lux, the supervisor of elections in Okaloosa County and a Republican. He compared the suspected fraud to the alleged acts of ACORN, the liberal activist group that became the center of a national controversy several years ago.  “It’s kind of ironic that the dead people they accused Acorn of registering are now being done by the RPOF” [Republican Party of Florida], Lux said in an interview with NBC News.”  NBC News

Ironic was not the word I would have used.  What do you think happened here?  Is this another ACORN situation that can be blamed on “bad apples”?  When you combine the Voter ID laws and this kind of activity, it could be argued that this is just part of an illegal strategy to disenfranchise voters.  Let’s hear your opinion!

98 thoughts on “Deja Vue in Florida?”

  1. “And a vote that is not for Romney, is a vote FOR Obama …” (Ralph Adamo)

    now that’s a really cool spin

  2. Gene and Nick, you guys really take delight in being wrong, don’t you? It doesn’t matter whether you, in particular, are going to vote for Obama or not. Because you are Leftists, I know that you are NOT going to vote for Romney. (And don’t try to fib at this point and say that you will be voting for Romney.) And a vote that is not for Romney, is a vote FOR Obama, no matter what you say. That is the way the politics play out in the two-party system in the USA.

    I realize that the truth is a difficult thing for you to have to confront. And your Leftist politics demands that the truth be suppressed. Fortunately for you, you have a very strong mainstream media support system that will always be there to help keep your Leftist-programmed circuitry in line, helping to prevent any short-circuits that might inadvertently cause you to sometimes actually think from time to time–if those few, old brain cells have not already attenuated beyond repair.

  4. Chavez is such a putz. Imagine him thinking that the Venezuelan oil should benefit the Venezuelan people.

  5. I am surprised Chavez stooped to endorsing Obama.

    But then he knows that Venezuela is on the list of nations to conquer by the “Project For A New American Century”, and does not want Rmoney to start a war for oil in his nation.

    strategic choice, Chavez, well done.

  6. Darren, The state is the entity responsible for the registrations. In NYS there are many opportunities thru the DMV as well as the BoE to register.

    All sorts of organizations work to get people registered. The volunteers carry the forms, the new registrants fill out the paperwork, the volunteers submit the filled out forms to the state which adds the names to the database. I’ve done this as a volunteer. Problems come in when the organization has a political agenda and the volunteers trash the registration forms that aren’t compatible with their agenda. This is illegal, but it’s done.

  10. Feemeister,
    If the RNC wanted to cheat on registrations, it would be smarter to do all counties in every state that they are attempting to cheat in.
    Bettykath,
    Yes it was sarcasm. 🙂

  11. Frankly, don’t appreciate your nastiness. Don’t know why you think it needs to be on here. I have no idea what you are talking about. Don’t listen to or like Rush, so don’t know what you mean there. Also, don’t know what you think I’m pretending is not fraud. I don’t think you understood anything I said; I certainly don’t understand the things you said, except that you think you have to be nasty to do it.

    rafflaw, yes you’re right, I was forgetting that. But I just didn’t understand why if they were going to do these things, they would waste their time with those counties. As far as I know Clay doesn’t have hardly anyone, and Pensacola is the only real city in Escambia county. I would expect any kind of fraud in MiamiDade, that’s pretty much a given. (Thank you for your civil reply, rafflaw!)

    I really don’t know why anyone’s worried about it anyway. They have experimented and proven that the machines can easily be fixed with no one knowing. Our supervisor of elections went on youtube and proved that. They refuse to go back to paper. I remember seeing somewhere that SC’s Constitution requires that the votes be counted in person, yet they are counted by machines, and nobody did anything about it. Elections here are a total joke. (I’m talking US here, not Florida.) I’m sure the outcome of this presidential election has been decided already and it had nothing to do with votes. They’ll just tally out that way in the end.

    I don’t know how far down they go with their ”fixing.” Maybe we’ll find out a bit more on that when Proposition 37 is voted on!

  12. How about we end the practice of using politically controlled organizations to register voters. What was so wrong with the state doing it? But then again how can one make an organization of the state that is immune from corruption, even if minor, or political influence?

  14. Ralph,

    I’m one of your “Leftists”? Well that presents a problem for your premise Ralph. If I’m one of your so-called “Leftists” and I’m not voting for Obama (which I’m not), everything you speculate upon past that point is rendered moot by the evidence and your glaring logical error. So let’s talk about who is displaying their ignorance when they make the logical fallacy of composition/division (depending upon perspective) when making blanket declarations using blatantly loaded words in a forum populated by critical thinkers many of whom have been inoculated against the use of use propagandistic language.

    Why . . . that would be you, Ralphie.

    Now tell me I’m an exception to the rule. Follow your first error with a round of special pleading (also a logical fallacy).

    I suggest you take your amateur propaganda techniques to someplace where they might be appreciated, er, effective, um, go unchallenged, ah, continuted to be ignored without the detriment of having them pointed out for what they are.

    Someplace like the Huffington Post perhaps.

    Because all most of us are collectively doing is laughing at your ineptness and ham-fisted attempts to troll.

    Hurry up! Tell us who Mao supports! Why? Because that makes just as much a difference to the electorate as what Hugo thinks. And Mao has been dead since 1976.

    You should also stick to your spiel about how this is supposedly a Christian country. It’s much funnier material. Just as irrelevant and wrong, but really funny.

  15. raff, ” I am shocked to see that Romney’s friends might be principals in electronic voting machines!”

    Really? It’s sarcasm, right?

    Romney has no scruples about buying companies, adding hugely to their debt to line his own pockets and then shipping the jobs overseas. Why would he have a problem in stealing votes? It’s the only way he can win.

  16. Gene, I realize that as Leftist you are going to have dumb thoughts, but do you find it necessary to flaunt your ignorance? Of COURSE, Leftists are going to vote for Obama. Although there are some Leftists who want an even more radicial Leftist than Obama already is, they will still pull behind their guy. And for your information–that is, if you are capable of actually learning anything–endorsements are not necessarily intended to convince people to vote a certain way. Like all advertisements, an important component of them is something those in marketing call “brand support.” In other words, the Chavez endorsement helps to rally the troops who are already in Obama’s camp, and makes them want to go and vote and feel good about it.

    It’s not as though anyone is thinking: “Hmmmm, who is the best candidate for the country, Obama or Romney? Hmmmm, that’s a tough one…… Let me check the news…… Ah, Chavez says Obama’s the guy to vote for….. That does it for me! My mind is now made up…. It’s Obama! Yeah!”

    Although Leftists are actually as subcretinous as the character I’ve described above, most of them still need to be pushed to vote the way they know they want to vote anyway. Leftists are by definition, robotic in their “thinking” (if it can be called that), and so they still need these “triggers” like a Chavez endorsement to get them excited again about voting for Obama.

    1. Ralph,

      All you’ve got going for you is that you are a name calling ass. No points to back up your feeble suppositions, just call people names and/or label them and you think you’re a champ…………chump.

  19. If the fraudulent registrations aren’t caught, it makes it easier for people to present themselves more than once to vote. It also makes it easier to change the votes in the computers by just adding votes to the Republican candidates. Yes, there is a way to verify by comparing how many people actually show up vs the number of votes counted, but a rough comparison to an increase in registration numbers by party would give a quick reassurance that an upsurge in gop votes is reasonable and then move along folks, nothing to see here.

  20. Nal – exactly!

    Feeblemiester – its funny how these long-lost charges of fraud appear 40+ years after LBJ wiped the floor with Goldwater (why engage in fraud when you will win easily?) and always with no evidence other than Rush Lamebrains word that its the truth. Meanwhile, even the GOP admits that fraud took place but are pretending it is the fault of the people they hired & not their fault. So you are almost alone in pretending its not fraud.

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