Woman in Tunisia is Raped By Two Police Officers, Files Complaint, and is Promptly Arrested for Public Indecency

We have often discussed the plight of women in the Middle East where they are often treated as chattel and denied basic rights and privileges. A story this week out of Tunisia therefore may not surprise the readers of this blog but it again shocks the conscience in giving a glimpse into the desperate existence of many women. The victim in this latest case was pulled from a car with her fiance by three police officers. As the boyfriend was taken to withdraw money from an ATM and robbed, the other two officers took turns raping the woman. When she filed a complaint, the police responded by arresting her for public indecency. So much for the balanced scales of justice on the country’s coat of arms.

The couple had been parked on September 3rd in Tunis when the officers set upon them. Her complaint and the public outcry forced the police to charge the officers with rape, but the department then arrested her after the officers, for the first time, alleged that the two were in an “immoral position” in the car. Both the man and woman were charged with “intentional indecent behavior” and are now facing six months in prison.

The Tunisian government has repeatedly charged both reporters and human rights activists with “public immorality” and “public disorder.” It has also refused demands from the U.N. Human Rights Council to rescind discriminatory laws against women.

Tunisia has also seen widespread anti-American protests where President Obama has been called an “Ape” and thousands chanted their allegiance with Osama Bin Laden. This occurred after the White House celebrated its close friendship with Tunisia and how Tunisia “ignited” the Arab Spring movement.

The rape case of this woman should be an international cause for justice and galvanize the movement for greater rights for women in Tunisia and other Muslim nations.

Source: CNN

82 thoughts on “Woman in Tunisia is Raped By Two Police Officers, Files Complaint, and is Promptly Arrested for Public Indecency”

  1. “For lawyers, botched up pro se cases could be a gold mine.”

    Or a completely unwinnable quagmire created by someone thinking they are competent to practice law when they are not.

  2. kaysieverding 1, October 6, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    Post here whatever insults you want to make to Kay Sieverding
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    kaysieverding 1, October 6, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    Matt, I don’t quit
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    You’re not going to get a response. Nobody wants to insult you.

  3. Well why don’t I officially agree that if any lawyer wants to post here I won’t sue them. In fact, they can say whatever they want as long as I can respond.

    Just last week I tried to hire Mark A. Grannis, who got $5.8 million for Dr. Steven Hatfill from DOJ, the same party I am suing, for damages that were I think less significant, based on conduct where DOJ officials at least had some argument that they were involved in law enforcement. He said I didn’t have a claim for disclosure of records; I said I had a case for collection of records in a matter inconsistent with the Privacy Act. I have a pending proposed amended complaint with claims under 5 USC 552a (e)(4)(B), (e)(4)(D), and (e)(4)(I) all of which were not exempted from the systems of records by the Federal Register Notices. Also I have a claim for DOJ acting with incomplete records — i.e. imprisoning me without records of a bail hearing, which is required by 18 USC 3142 and are claims under (e)(6), (e)(9) and or (e)(10). DOJ disseminated that there were warrants for my arrest for bail violations and obstruction, but these warrants were non existent, I didn’t have a bail hearing and wasn’t charged with bail violations and I wasn’t charged with obstruction either, which is a felony. So those claims give me the right to sue for adverse effects under (e)(6), (e)(9) and/ or (e)(10).

    So then the next question is what are my damages given the fact that the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the government won’t pay for emotional damages, which I obviously experienced. So Grannis was concerned that my lost pay and out of pocket damages weren’t enough for him to get a % adequate to compensate them for their time; if they took my case on contingency.

    I want to base my claims on Rule 804(6). The government already pled that the reason they imprisoned me was to screw up my third party lawsuits. I had one filed for defamation per se and false light publicity for $3 Million. The defendants filed a motion to have my husband put in jail unless I filed a motion to dismiss. So I agreed to do so and then was released. Then the defendants asked the judge to have the USMS put me back in jail unless I flied a motion to dismiss. The only reason I was even there was that the USMS had entered non existent criminal warrants into their computer systems and their employees signed forms as a criminal investigator even though there isn’t even any evidence that I was ever even investigated for committing a federal crime. So I think that the Federal Rules of Evidence Rule 804(6) should mean that my estimate of what that lawsuit was worth — $ 3 million, should stand because they prevented me from going to court. My family and I also had a pending federal lawsuit for First Amendment Retaliation and zoning fraud. That was dismissed on the basis of res judicata. But there wasn’t any answer ever filed anywhere. And the Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia ruled that res judicata can’t be found unless there was an answer previously filed. The reason that I couldn’t plead that case when my third party defendants pled res judicata is that DOJ locked me up without Internet or law library access. So I think that Rule 804(6) should apply to that too. So that’s a quick and easy valuation of my economic damages, since the Supreme Court has already ruled that a cause of action is an economic asset.

    I can prove my underlying prima facie cases too.

    The reason I am blogging is to bring attention to my case, to make them rule in a way that is consistent with prior rulings. Also, to warn other people what they are facing in the U.S. Courts where 98% can’t afford a lawyer and either must give up without filing suit or go pro se.

    For lawyers, botched up pro se cases could be a gold mine. My case for instance has statutory tolling because every time DOJ made a material misrepresentation affecting their liability I got an extra two years under 5 USC 552a (g)(5) and the defendants can’t pull back what they previously filed. If my case had been filed by a lawyer, DOJ would probably have said that their role was accidental, that they didn’t know what they were doing but were merely following judicial orders. But no, they stuck their necks out and said that they did it on purpose as a matter of unofficial policy because I deserved it.

    Again, any one post here anything they want and I won’t sue them as long as I can respond.

  4. idealist707 1, October 5, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    So, dear Kay, what are you looking for more than sympathy? If I may be so brutal. You have my heartstrings in your hand, but not much else I have which will help you. I would if I could.
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    Sometimes you just have to give up and deal with it. I lost.

  5. kaysieverding,

    Now some more reflections. Like I say, I am not a lawyer.

    But to me there are other reasons for not commenting the specifics of your case if you are a lawyer.
    Let me compare first to the medical doctor: he would not for many reasons, among which is do no harm and avoid suits for malpractice by diagnosing at cocktail parties to strangers.

    A similar reason must extend to lawyers: Do three monkeys,and give no advicd which if followed by the advisee, if leading to negative outcome, will certainly lead to big suit, impoverishing you and enriching the plaintiff.

    So, dear Kay, what are you looking for more than sympathy? If I may be so brutal. You have my heartstrings in your hand, but not much else I have which will help you. I would if I could.

  6. Obviously, the average person (ie not corporations or judicials) would be helpless in this situation.
    It seems as well that the knowledgeable and energetic one is also helpless.

    What is left?
    —-Smile, shut up and marry the right guy.
    —-Be born in the right family.
    —-Bribe the right people.
    —-Use your “power”, which was acquired through injustice. That your proof of belonging to the club.

    You want get a good legal answer from me. I am not qualified.
    And if I did not say it before, all the judicial people know the system, and mums the first commandment in your diploma. So no comments from them. Seems to be the policy when ignoring pro se preaentations here. Self-preservation in a nut-shell.

    1. That’s a lot of information. One problem is that because Obama has not protected civil rights in the U.S. the U.S. is unlikely to protect civil rights anywhere else. And, my experience is proof. I was imprisoned using the Prisoner Tracking System. DOJ published a Privacy Act Notice Vol 69 p 23214 that the purpose of the PTS is to manage detentions of prisoners held for criminal proceedings and the records to be included in the system are only those needed to manage the imprisonments of people held for a criminal proceeding. I sued DOJ. DOJ’s assistant U.S. Attorney David C. Rybicki filed a motion to dismiss, 09-0562 document 8-1, and on page 23 he wrote that the PTS doesn’t require a criminal proceeding, only any old judicial proceeding. Anyone can get that from PACER for the Federal District of Columbia. I filed an appeal and DOJ filed a motion for “summary affirmance” something not in the Rules of Appellate Procedure and the Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia dismissed my paid appeal number 10-5149 and ignored all the documents that I filed. I sued them again and Judge John D. Bates ruled that the Joint Automated Booking System doesn’t require a criminal charge either, that is completely opposite to what DOJ published in the Federal Register, see vol 66 p 20478 and vol 71 p 52821. Judge Bates opinion is free on the District of Columbia federal court opinions page website search in 2012 for “sieverding”

      I filed a motion to amend under Rule 15 and argued that I had a claim under 5 USC 552a (e)(4)(B) and (I) and that there was a statute of limitations extension because of David C. Rybicki’s misrepresentation on 6/01/09 and 5 USC 552a (g)(5). DOJ filed that they had a res judicata defense that they could argue by motion. I found that the District of Columbia Court of Appeals had already ruled that a res judicta defense cannot be pled by motion unless the defendant has previously filed an answer — a response to a numbered complaint that addresses each paragraph in turn — and DOJ had never done that. The appellate case I relied on was Geraldine Harris, Appellant v. Secretary, U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs. This is # 96-5091 and is free on the website of the District of Columbia Court of Appeals opinions page. Now DOJ is refusing to acknowledge my pending motion to amend, which I have expanded to seven claims. Just yesterday, the DOJ counsel Patricia D. Francis emailed a threat that she would report me to the United States Marshals Service which I guess means that they plan to arrest me again. She said it was because I had emailed to her about DOJ’s previous misrepresentation of the Prisoner Tracking System.

      My case is very well documented.

      DOJ has a Data Integrity Board which is supposed to implement The Privacy Act, which is supposed to control how the government uses its computer systems. See 5 USC 552a (u)(1). (Free on the Cornell University Legal Institute website). Stuart Frisch is its chair. However, the Data Integrity Board never has meetings. DOJ has a “Privacy Act Officer” Nancy Libdin, but she operates in secrecy. DOJ faked a “claim validation form” by putting in the initials of a computer system where the name of the person filling out the form was supposed to be and the number of a civil lawsuit where the charge was supposed to be. There is a copy on my blogspot, search on USMSinternalinvestigation and Kay Sieverding and you will see it. It is USMS form 0016. It is a fill in the blank handwritten form not a digital form so it is easy to fake. It doesn’t require an employee id, password, valid criminal charge, criminal docket report, or prosecutor’s id. There’s no public review of the form because the Data Integrity Board never has meetings.

      So all American citizens are at risk of incarceration and long term detention without a criminal charge by their own government and unfortunately, the administration of President Obama, whom I strongly supported, has continued that policy and is now threatening me for exposing it.

  7. Blocke because too many links. Here is the first part:

    43 idealist707
    1, October 5, 2012 at 12:42 pm
    The reply to my email inquiry to the project coordinator at the Swedish Institute for International Affairs was very brief. In essence it referred to the contact person at GMF the study organizer:
    Hamutal Bernstein, HBernstein@gmfus.org
    —–and gave a link to the summary in english prepared re the Swedish of the report.
    https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=gmail&attid=0.1&thid=13a2ada16c178cc2&mt=application/msword&url=https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui%3D2%26ik%3Dc14b6f89b7%26view%3Datt%26th%3D13a2ada16c178cc2%26attid%3D0.1%26disp%3Dsafe%26zw&sig=AHIEtbQBxvhuDWUxJEZWz5iTaZvuHSUQRg
    That is taken from the viewing address.

  8. My thanks for the link to the USA coverage of this anti-semite situation in Malmö. It in turn links to what is a very full source at the English language newspaper in Sweden calle The Local. There. there are many links to stories over time. Notably in my eyes is that the Simon Wiesenthal LA centre came to confer with the mayor Reepalu. I shan’t try to summarize but refer to the link in MikeS comment to me.
    http://www.thelocal.se/39858/20120323/

    Instead here is the starting link given there onward to The Local.
    http://www.thelocal.se/39858/20120323/

  9. Kay Sieverding

    Ouch that hurted. Mamma says the newborn, what was it they took from me. Herrgud, as we say in Sweden. Modern technique versus jewish traditional methods. Havvah nagila for me, if that choice comes.

    Sie verding, does that equal “seven values”, something to do with the jewish candelabra (name?).
    I associate widely. Bed now. It is one AM here.

    More tomorrow, aame place I hope.

  10. Darren Smith 1, October 3, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    The charge of the two couples being engaged in sex or whatever was purely an act of revenge against them or at best a feeble attempt at CYA by the gov’t.

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. If countries such as Tunisia continue to abuse its citizens, either all of them of 50% of them, we (meaning everyone else) should stop doing business with them entirely. Lip service does nothing. UN veiled threats do nothing. But they listen to money regardless of religion or government structure.
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    http://swampland.time.com/2012/10/04/the-iranian-currency-crisis-three-possible-scenarios/

  11. MikeS,

    Lemme take it in sessions. And this interests me, because, with help from another jew, I am getting a better understanding not only of persecution of jews, but how it works in the goy world,and how America is involved.

    Using laws to legislate against practices we don’t like, or court decisions in Europe? How about America on completely non-jewish questions. Many exmaples do we see here at JTs.

    This was mentioned on the article you sent me which gave a brief mention of what’s happening in Europe.

    And to parrot the jew-haters: “A little symbolic explosion ín the JCC and a friendly pat on the head in a jewshop does not a Crystal nacht make.”

    Actually that was teasing you.
    I don’t want to live in a country with such a cancer growing in its midst, to be serious, which is difficult when the alternative is depression over the world’s state.

    Maybe I should move to Israel. Do they take goy refugees. Not willingly I believe. They have enough problems with integrating the Sephardic and African jews with the Azkanasy from Europe, have I read many years ago.

    The 28-year old in the 3rd Finnish party is a typical ussr of hate, not that we have ever seen it here in the USA against Obama, or against his supporters, those without the latest enacted stamp of bureaucratic approval of suffrage.

    Using the USA to cover for our mistakes in Scandinavia? Not at all, but using it to put proportion to the whole. It is not a regional problem, it is a world problem. Japanese mistreat Korean residents. In New Guinea 800 languages are spoken. Etc.

    Let me lighten my burden by using some material exchanged with a jewish friend today. I cite what the other wrote as an example of jew-hatings expression, and continue with illustrations of jew-hating observed primarily in Mandelstam’s book and the news that I so rarely read nowadays.

    This puts a burden on the reader here at JTs to keep the different voices clearly separated. I’m sure that those who mastered Brunner’s book on Zanzibar will have no problem. But if confused, consider the source which produced it and re-read the last sentence you understood. That often helps me.
    —————–
    ID707
    “I see jews not as ones who will not participate and share the burdens, as you express here…..:

    jewish friend exemplifying:
    “All Jews are secretly wealthy. They come by a lot of their wealth by stealth. They hide it because they really do NOT want to participate in the society’s general trade and welfare; they want to hoard wealth and use it for specifically Jewish purposes.”

    ID707 again:
    I see jews essentially, as those who will use “jewish practices”, which means skillful business deals well within the jewish law and the one where they reside, as persons who socialize with those whom they share values, religion, culture, and with the hope of advancing and helping all–at a good interest rate–to a better life.

    Now, let’s compare.
    Do goys do that? Never? They don’t have country clubs from which jews are excluded. They don’t associate with the same bigots who go to the same church, they don’t dominate their town’s financial, political, educational boards, in short dominate everything all they can—-to their individual and mutual goy advantage?? Wow.
    But they don’t stink, you say. Oh, yes the goys do. In THEIR way. They do it all their way, if they can; and sometimes the jews do it better, smarter, equally or better sinngly and in collusion.
    Unfair you say? Sure!

    But it is essentially the same techniques.

    But what about that code word so loved by jew haters, Russians loved it? Cosmopolitan. Now I am spieling pure jew hate: “They travel, spreading into previously clean areas, or they move from one infested point to another, always finding a helping jew hand: and even worse they can mysteriously fetch help from distant lands to aid them in the evil conniving and victimizing of the blond pure goys. AMEN.

    Of course the swedes immigrated to Minnesota for similar reasons, the Arabs or muslims never practice the same “ways”. etc.

    So I am not completely unaware of this shit, but like all who live in a garbage pit, I lose my sense of smell, and even my own and my family’s shit smells not at all. Ie, I only see the shit which is defecated by those of another color, dress differently, talk differently, keep to their own group. Take a good example: From my youth’s hometown but not from reality. 50 successful men are living high on the hog. All of lower station envy and “don’t like” them. But who do they hate, and mock, and do worse? The jew who dresses the way his fellows feels show wealth in a proper way, who has this and other visible characteristics which depart from the homeblind eyes acceptance. He gets the special attention, and becomes the scapegoat.

    As my jewish friend says; Everybody has their scapegoat, there is a continous need. It may be evangelistas who hate the moral corruption which ruins society. It may be the anti-semite anywhere.
    It may change with fashion. The objects change with time and need. Muslims today and jews tomorrow.

    Who’s wrong. All those looking for scapegoats and willing to accept whatever prejudice which is offered.

    And this does not touch on MikeS main points, but will do for my contribution today. A subject I won’t abandon. Ever! Because it is us, as Pogo said.

    Well, that was a downpayment on the multiple facets of human competition. The survival of the family due to tribal coherence and self-protection, even the goys do, just less well than the jews do.

    1. ID707,

      Regarding Jews being good at surviving, it is really thay hoary yet true cliche: Necessity is the mother of invention.

      1. MikeS

        You’re a lawyer aren’t you?

        My understanding of part of what happened in Germany is: There were a lot of Jewish lawyers. They didn’t support pro se rights. They lost their law licenses through legislation and court orders. Because there wasn’t recognition of pro se rights, the former Jewish lawyers, who knew law and were good communicators, couldn’t go to Court to protect themselves and other people.

        Does that sound accurate?

        1. “Does that sound accurate?”

          Kay,

          That does sound accurate but I’m not a lawyer. I was a Social Services executive, social worker and psychotherapist.

          1. Well, the German Holocaust history is part of the reason that I came to believe that pro se rights are the basis of democracy even though I think that legal training is very valuable and that lawyers are very useful.

  12. kaysieverding 1, October 3, 2012 at 9:41 am

    The protection of people from law enforcement in the U.S. is almost nonexistent at this point in time. A quick search of the Internet shows that law enforcement officials do sexually assault women in this country. Insurance companies such as Colorado Intergovernmental Risksharing Agency sell inexpensive “law enforcement” coverage. There is a copy of CIRSA”S Steamboat Springs Colorado policy on one of my blogspot postings. There is no guarantee of getting a lawyer to enforce rights against law enforcement misconduct in Federal Court and it costs about $ 100 K. If you don’t have a lawyer in Federal Court you can’t use government funded court mediation services. It you try to go alone without a lawyer you can’t get an evidentiary hearing, your case will be dismissed. Then if you continue to try to get an evidentiary hearing, with no published procedure you will be branded as a vexatious litigant and with no criminal charge and no bail hearing, DOJ will imprison you using the Prisoner Tracking System, which, according to the Federal Register vol 69 p 23214, is supposed to be used only for prisoners with criminal charges and isn’t supposed to be exempt from all the Privacy Act subsections including 5 U.S.C § 552a (e)(4)(D) and (e)(4)(I). But DOJ will just file fraudulent motions.
    ========

    The last time the police came to my house I wouldn’t let them in. There were two Racine County Sheriff Deputies. They came to my house at the behest of the IRS. Special Agents, I’m sure. One of them tried to open the screen door but it was locked. I said go get a warrant. They left.

  13. KaysieVerding,

    If they were -sons, from where did you get the other name? Just curious. Not very diplomatic but well-maaning, handicapped ;.)

    Haven’t got around to today’s comments yet. Been tired and unbusy.

    We have several vocal sufferers of injustice here. You’ll get to know them, I won’t give any names. That is up to them. But the tales have a common thread. Injustice and conscious intended abuse both buraaucratic, judicial, and from the lawyers is present in most of them.

    It is a wonder that more don’t take to violence as a last recourse. Depressing. Let’s go get a beer, say most here. And reformation never passes the lips of members of the bar here, as I remember it.
    Survival through collegial coverup. Resembles doctors and the medical system. Torts don’t seem to work so well.
    The forthright answer you received from one lawyer that he would not do it to protect himself/firm, and the costs 100K+ were sobering facts of the whole system
    Good luck meanwhile.

    1. @idealist707

      Sieverding was my husband’s name.

      Someone published a book The Sociopath Next Door that says that 4% of the population are sociopaths. The percentage might be higher for lawyers because they are smart and verbal.

      People want to hire crooked lawyers. I knew a woman who cheated on her husband but still wanted alimony so she hired one of the same lawyers I complained about. So it is hard for honest lawyers to compete with crooked lawyers.

      I predict that violence will increase with the bad economy, feelings of no alternatives etc.

      My husband used to work for a business called Valleylab that sold electrosurgical generators. They had a problem w doctors turning them up to high and burning baby penises off. The babies had to be altered to appear feminine and their parents sued. Therefor Valleylab assigned my husband to develop a conductive gel adhesive. They sold to Pfizer and sales went to over $100 M per annum for the pads alone. This never would have happened if the parents of the injured babies hadn’t sued. Same thing for many other product improvements.

  14. kaysieverding,
    I waited too long between reading your comment and my writing. OK, you have an origin from french jews who immigrated to Skåne. A swedish version of your name would be Kajsa. But that one is definitely swedish in origin I believe. Still a popular girl name today.
    More after I read the rest. Gotta rest now after my strength training session this afternoon.

  15. Kaysie Verding,

    If they are from Skåne and that is the Swedish name then they were special, no Svensson name that.
    Possibly half-aristocrat, or other continental origins.

    Nameing customs is an interesting subject. Will take it up later. But you don’t have to call yourself 57 Karlsson (not Heinz 57) because they were so many Karlssons who were in the army then.
    Some even took soldier names which some are ashamed of today, like Svärd (sword), which a former girlfriend had.

    1. @idealist707, anonymously yours

      Sieverding is my maiden name. My ancestors all had Swedish names ending in “son”. Actually I did hear that my French ancestors were part aristocrat. In the U.S. many people hike the Appalachian trail or a similar trail in the West leaving Florida in the spring and getting to Maine before winter. It is no farther from Southern Europe to Sweden. I think it was easy for foreigners to settle in rural Sweden because the population density was so low and the church wasn’t very organized. Jews have always moved all over to Africa, India etc.

      What do you think of my long comment at 11:02 am.?

  16. MikeS,

    Now I am back. Good to cool down the JT addiction (of course more than that).

    I really appreciate your long and interesting comment. It is full of interesting points.

    My “right now” reaction is to say; Let Israel have the whole of the West Bank”, and let the Arabs go on with their lives and fates. A forced solution which gives them no more to live on than longing will force amny to confront their real problems instead of letting them be led to hate Israel and the jews. But of course, fanatism has no time limits, if we take the ardor of the Shia and their love of a killed nephew of Mhhmd, may god spit on his grave—-saying thet because I am tired of this fanaticism. Why do we spend our rights and monies to exterminate “terrorism”, with its muslim connection. We have worse foes here at home.

    at this point I feel that I need to reflect ove what you wrote rather than reflexively answering. My “latest solution” above is an example.

    I have an email from the contact person at the International Institute whom I emailed yesterday. Will see what’s waiting there: BS, snowjob, wha’, stonewall????

    The Arabs vs the Palestinians has not gone undetected by me. Of course pre-47 I imagined it was all described as “troubles in Palestine in the British Protecrorate. Never mind that, the question is what SA’s propagnda goals have been and what they have achieved in Europe and America.

    Reepalu has scandalized Sweden internationally IMHO.
    And the medical students who used their influence to stop Jewish doctors from immigrating here pre-1940 is an unhealed syphilis sore which pops up occasioally today still.

    I’ll say more soon. I really want time to chew it over. Much worthwhile there,which needs reflection.

  17. I got an email asking me to publicize the website of Lawless America. The founder has spent the last 4 months traveling the U.S. filming complaints of court misconduct. This is an example of the new power of the Internet.

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