Meet the Police: NBC’s David Gregory Under Investigation For Weapons Violation On Show

david_gregory_ammunitionNBC is dealing with an unexpected legal problem after a segment by David Gregory, who displayed what he said was a high-capacity ammunition clip on “Meet the Press.” D.C. law prohibits the possession of high-capacity ammunition clips. This may have been a case where a picture — or consultation with counsel — might have been in order. There is no exception for the media in such possession cases.

On the show with the National Rifle Association CEO Wayne LaPierre, Gregory showed him the clip and said “Here’s a magazine for ammunition that carries 30 bullets. Now, isn’t it possible that if we got rid of these . . . if we replaced them and said, ‘Well, you can only have a magazine that carries five bullets, or 10 bullets,’ isn’t it just possible that we could reduce the carnage in a situation like Newtown?”

The predictable response from LaPierre was “I don’t believe that’s going to make one difference.” The less predictable response came from gun owners and gun control advocates who noted that the possession of such a clip is a crime. The D.C. law states “No person in the District shall possess, sell, or transfer any large capacity ammunition feeding device.” This does not require that the clip be attached to a weapon and does not appear to require that it have rounds in the clip.

The reported investigation could also ensnare those NBC employees who obtained and transported the clip.

I honestly believe that Gregory is not blameful and that the law should have some flexibility for news or artistic speech when the clip is empty of rounds. What do you think?

Source: Washington Post

195 thoughts on “Meet the Police: NBC’s David Gregory Under Investigation For Weapons Violation On Show”

  1. OS,

    I don’t like asking for info from you as you seldom respond.
    But my interest in the climate change’s effect on animal migration is a subject that I follow.

    Your and Elaine’s dialogue were in her case enlivened by referrals to coyotes. Your’s notably to me, the large “kitty”, what in FL might be called a cougar. I think that we called them mountain lions in Raleigh. I have seen only tracks in AZ. But there in the Huachuca Mountains there was plenty of deer to keep them fed. He/she had used the same lookout point that I did later, deer hunting both of us.

    So Elaine lives in Massachusetts. Which mountains do you live in? State?

  2. The following link takes you to a study in the clinical aspect of selecting a firearm and bullet to go in it. The writer is Massad Ayoob, former police Captain, firearms instructor and a leading authority on use of weapons and deadly force under stress. As a lawman and instructor, he is far more knowledgeable about firearms and their use than even the average law enforcement officer.

    http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/ayoob93.html

  3. Re Malisha’s take on Barkin’ Dog:

    Who am I to call for a ban of a commenter here, having passed so many lines.

    However, this line should be considered for enforcing in the future.
    People who call for “elimination, extinction, murder, or use of lethal force on others”, deter others from exercising their free speech. Neither groups nor persons or organizations should be subject to threats nor calls for violence.

    I feel that Barkin’ Dog is but an analogue of all use of verbal intimidation from time immmemorable. With new examples from above, via the media, and from your government every day. Here the tyranny is oligarchal, but equally lethal to free speech.

    Try reading Tony Morrisons speech upon receiving the Nobel Prize in Litterature for a better take. She is currently the latest American to receive the prize. Has science replaced our souls. I fear yes.

    See Wiki if nothing else.

    PS Violating one of my own rules again. Getting involved in a two-person fight.

  4. Jason, you can easily claim that I have an “obsession” with hollow-point bullets without any proof, so that’s what your challenging question is worth. I don’t have any obsession with ANY weapons. I do know, however, that the idea of self-defense for most people does not entail their need to use more destructive weapons than those commonly allowed in the US Military. If a soldier in the US Military can defend himself adequately without hollow-point bullets, why can’t a 28-year-old living in a gated community in Florida? The idea that they’re safer because they only kill the person they are aimed to kill is meaningless to me. You can stop an aggressor in your house or at your car with a BB gun, so why have overkill on your right hip when you go to the grocery store? If the police use them because they won’t hit miscellaneous bystanders, then consider the fact that the police are trained and regulated, and if a police man DOES shoot someone, he has to answer for it and there is a full investigation of the circumstances.

    NONE OF THE WEAPONS used by police are unregulated. Police are required to report every time they shoot their weapons. In fact, the weapons used by the military and the police are strictly regulated and we all know that and the soldiers and cops expect that, which is as it should be.

    I don’t know which kinds of guns are the perfect kinds of guns for which uses; that has never interested me, much less obsessed me. So I’m one of those people that Fabien might think is negligent because I’m not arming myself so that I can protect my and his freedom. But that’s not the life I choose for myself; I am not a soldier and never hoped to be one. When you read a bit about the killing of Trayvon Martin, though, something becomes perfectly obvious: even if Zimmerman chose to profile him, chose to follow him, and chose to shoot him, he might have had a chance to survive if that bullet were not a hollow-point bullet. And about the chance of hitting an innocent bystander?

    Trayvon Martin WAS an innocent by-stander.

    It was only George Zimmerman who turned him into a combatant, by making him fight for his life, unsuccessfully. And why unsuccessfully? Because of the hollow-point bullet that was sold to a guy who did not have the good sense to check out the scene before assaulting a Law Enforcement Officer years before.

  5. The vast amount of violent crime in this country is from repeat offenders as was the shooting of the Firemen a few days ago. I have NO tolerance for people that victimize other people. That man should have never been back on the streets. Here in Ca. they voted to start letting out some three strikers. I dont get it but I must live with the will of the people sense its not a constitutional issue. Once my mother passes on I will leave Ca. Probably go to Arizona. Still be close to my friends. The Leftist that call themselves “liberals”have destroyed this state. There is NOTHING liberal about a leftist.

  6. Pruett,

    “A comment was made by idealist 707 that someone my loose their cool and nut up, that is true of law enforcement too. ”
    Please go and read my comments again.

    Just for the record after reading Elaine’s second source on the uprising in Warsaw, I begin to see some light in your reasoning. But if light arms, and assault rifles are light arms, what is the solution against martial force?

    Bravery and suicide by military are neither a good choice.

    BTW, have you tried smuggling in anti-tank weapons. A FA piece or some explosives. It would require defenses against gas. Have you bought and tested a mask yet?

    Democracy, if we can recapture it is the only effective defense for us. And the only one that they will not attack now. Future? Who knows.

    Your mother’s and family’s experiences are amirable. But without D-Day and the Americans, what would have been the ultimate outcome?

  7. Elaine,
    Remember my history. I have seen enough dead bodies to understand bullet and shotgun effects. One of the first things that officers are taught is to never unholster a firearm unless you are ready and willing to use deadly force. Stopping power is important. There was an instance some years ago where officers shot a perp more than a dozen times using 9mm full metal jacket ammunition. He kept coming and kept shooting at the officers. The rounds went clear through the bad guy and kept going. It is a wonder innocent bystanders were not killed or injured. The whole purpose of a self defense weapon used in extremis is stopping power. I would not want to empty my revolver into a bad guy only to have him continue to shoot at me.

  8. Yes.. as it should be. Just like we don’t blame cars for drunk divers that’ll more than 10,000 each year. You can’t argue a single one is justified. Many of the deaths from firearms each year are justifiable homicides by police and law abiding citizens defending themselves and others. Many of the rest are bad guys killing each other.

  9. NRA Blames Everything Except Guns: Outdated Video Games, Hurricanes, And Corporate Media Led To Newtown
    By Igor Volsky on Dec 21, 2012
    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/12/21/1371711/nra-blames-everything-except-guns-outdated-video-games-hurricanes-and-corporate-media-led-to-newtown/

    The National Rifle Association, the nation’s largest gun advocates lobby, attributed the shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, to “school free zones,” arguing that “genuine monsters” are attracted to schools because its administrators and teachers are not armed. “Politicians pass laws for gun free school zones, they issue press releases bragging about them,” NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre said. “And, in doing so, they tell every insane killer in America that schools are the safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk.”

    “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,” LaPierre declared and urged Congress to “act immediately to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every single school in this nation.” The lobby will create a “National School Shield Program” that will help schools respond to attacks, led by former Rep. Asa Hutchinson (R-AR).

    In a news conference repeatedly interrupted by protesters blaming the NRA for “killing our kids,” LaPierre shoveled out blame far and wide, going after reporters for glorifying killers like Adam Lanza, violent movies, video games, and music videos. He tore into gun safety advocates for exploiting the tragedy for “political gain,” targeted President Obama for underfunding police initiatives in schools, and said that the media demonized “local gun owners” and spread “misinformation and dishonest thinking that only delay meaningful action and all but guarantee that the next violence is a new cycle away.” “Add another hurricane, terrorist attack, or some other natural of man-made disaster, and you’ve got a recipe for a national nightmare of violence and victimization,” he said.

    Only gun owners and gun lobbyists — who have spent years easing gun regulations across the country — were spared any responsibility.

  10. They have put explosives inside the gas tank of pickup trucks to make them i blow up when they turned over on their side to advance an agenda. There a Genda is more gun control. They will lie lie lie to advance that a Genda

  11. The news will lie to you continuously. Just like they put explosive inside of watermelons to make them blow up when they were shooting semi automatic rifles at them. They have also shown automatic rifles be fired while speaking about semi automatic rifles needing to be banned

  12. Here is an FYI factoid. Hollow point bullets and wadcutters are a lot safer to use in urban environments for two reasons.

    First of all, they tend to shatter on impact instead of passing through the target. A full metal jacket bullet will go through somebody and then through a couple of sheet rock walls. If I shoot somebody, it is going to be for effect and the whole idea is to take them out….permanently. The whole purpose of deadly force is to be deadly.

    The second thing, if they hit something like pavement or a signpost, they will shatter and ricochets will be at a minimum.

  13. By the way even if he had fired in self defense truly, he is no hero..A hero is someone that risk their own your own life or safety so others may live. Self defense is just natural law No hero in that.

  14. I agree if somebody has a history of assault there is an issue but again that is a separate issue for overall gun control. People need to be held accountable for their actions. But I don’t know and you don’t know what truly happen at night. The news media will lie to you continuously to Advance an agenda. Why else would they doctor audio recording. They made it look like he’s sad the guy looks suspicious he is black. That is not what happened. He said the guy looks suspicious, they asked if he was black white or Hispanic. He said he looks black. He was answering a specific question that was asked of him by the police dispatcher. The story the news media wanted to run with was that Zimmerman was a racist that hunted down a young black man. Hey doctor the audio recording to Advance tbat story

  15. Malisha-
    What is your obsession with hollow point bullets? You know that non-hollow points are pretty good at wrecking human bodies too, right? Did you read what I said about their purpose?

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