Despite an international outcry and effort to pay traditional “blood money” in the Saudi legal system, the Kingdom has cut the head off a Sri Lankan maid for allegedly smothering an infant child when the nanny was just 17. The maid was decapitated by a swordsman in Riyadh under the country’s Sharia based legal system.
Rizana Nafeek was sentenced to death in 2007 but Sri Lankan government appealed the death penalty and many international groups decried the ludicrous trial and draconian sentence. While under arrest, the maid signed a confession written in Arabic that she did not understand and later retracted. It did not matter.
Saudi Arabia beheaded as many as 76 people last year.
Source: National Post
Look Gene,
I don’t do threats well. I will not back down especially when I’ve done nothing wrong. I defended a new poster and you used your status as a blogger to blast them…. and me…You then used your status as a guest writer with certain accesd to private information to your advantage. Is that the role you’ve been given?
You then will claim you don’t make the calls or rules but yet threaten certain banishment for disagreeing with you….. And then claim you don’t make the decision as its not your blog…. Buddy, your drama is excessive….
I’m doing my duty as a guest blogger vis a vis the reporting duty part of enforcing the rules, AY. Any final decision would not be mine. If it were, you’d already be long gone for your past shenanigans.
However, you’re the one hiding behind your anonymity who keeps on calling me names like “neurotic” and such as I post under my real name. You’re the one who took it upon themselves to act badly in the past and the present. Don’t forget you are known to many people here – GB and poster alike – and there is such a thing as common knowledge such as the legal threat you received by tormenting another poster here. However, unlike you, I’ll keep any case for your banishment away from your personal information as it is irrelevant to the matter at hand. I’ll strictly focus on your interaction with other posters. It’s more than sufficient and entirely relevant.
You’re digging your own hole. Keep it up. Like Napoleon, I’m not going to stand in the way of an opponent making a mistake. You’ve been given ample opportunity to stay out of matters that are none of your concern. Now you’ve got my attention. I’ve got my eye on you. If you don’t like that? Action. Consequence. How far the consequences reach is entirely dependent upon your action.
You can quit trying to provoke me, quit meddling in the policy and management of this blog, and mind your P’s & Q’s with other posters or you can deal with what I assure you are inevitable consequences.
Your choice.
Cute Darren…. I like it…
Go ahead Gene, just one more reason in which I claim you abuse your privilege as a guest blogger. Proof in the pudding… Do not forget about revelation of private information as being a form of slander… Check it out for yourself….
Darren,
Perfection. 😀
… and comparitively, the battle continues.
AY,
Like I said. Your choice. The database starts now.
Gene,
You feel better now? I hope this does not contribute to your neurosis….
I’m going to keep saying it until it gets through your thick skull, AY: If you don’t like what I say? If you simply don’t like me? No one forces you to read my posts. Feel free to ignore my posts or leave any time you should like. Your participation here is strictly voluntary. But trying to tell me how to be is simply futile wasted effort. It’s not your call. Nor is it your call how this blog is run. That’s not my opinion either. Those are the facts.
Sell your bullshit to someone who doesn’t know you.
As to your order? I don’t take orders from you, sport. I’ll do what I please and you’re powerless to stop me. My actions this instance are self-defense just like the mauling I’m giving you right now is self-defense. Mike and Bron, neither of whom have a dog in this fight, both agree it was self-defense and essentially agreed your claim is without merit as would any sane and sober individual. However, if you want to escalate the matter? I’ll be glad to make sure that happens.
You should know though that I still have all the e-mails denying your involvement in harassing other posters by threatening their anonymity and I still have all the IP information proving you were lying – the lie that ended our friendship by the way. I’ll be glad to make the case for your banishment dating from there and add your foolish vendetta of the last two days to it. Petty personal vendettas? That almost got you banished the first time but you wised up just in time to save yourself. You remember that, don’t you? Your online shenanigans that ended with you getting a real life meatspace legal threat? You should also know me well enough to know that I’m the very last person who is going to take any shit from you, AY. And unlike you, I don’t start fights I can’t win. So let’s examine the evidence a bit, shall we?
Action (Frances): “I won’t bore you with the rest of the details. It’s convenient to omit such facts. Your knowledge is obviously quite immense, however, somewhat tiresome as it is blatantly bias a reeks of Wikipedia.”
Consequence (me): “As to your personal slights? At least I don’t “merchant” in weak ass logical fallacies like straw men. Ask yourself if I care what you think of me personally. Any answer other than ‘I don’t’ is wrong. If you have a problem with my encyclopedic knowledge and my skills with rhetoric, it’s your problem.”
Actually pretty tame until your buddy choose to escalate with
Action (Frances): “Argumentation is for people who don’t have good sex”.
Consequence: ” Awww. That’s adorable. What do you do for an encore? Tell me I have a small penis? That my feet stink and Jesus doesn’t love me? As bad as your argumentation skills are, your insult skills are even worse. Besides, I heard no complaints from your mother but then again that’s what I expect for a $10 transaction.”
I’m capable of far worse, however, the person relented and you? You just had to stick your long nose in to stir you up some drama from the pot, didn’t ya queenie? All pissy because you’d just lost an argument using poor evidence and amateur night tactics a 1L would be ashamed of. Boo. Freakin’. Hoo.
We GBs are not expected to give up the right of self-defense. Period and end of story. Not even against anonymous dunderheads such as yourself.
If you don’t like how this blog is run? If you don’t like me? Your complaint is duly noted.
You can stay. All are welcome. Or you can leave. No one is stopping you. Or you should simply accept the fact that you don’t make the rules here and you have no part in their enforcement. Or you can keep up your empty prattling and seemingly endless ad hominem b*tching until consequences are again had. I’m good with it no matter what you choose. But make no mistake. The choice is yours.
In the meantime, I suggest you find someone else to try to order around.
You’ll find me most non-compliant.
*************
Frances,
Your pseudo-apology is pseudo-accepted. I’m sure your mom is a lovely person.
Here’s a hint though: learn to argue with specificity instead of snide personal comments. It’s bad form in that it is both counterproductive to your case and it creates unnecessary although warranted animus. Even in court, ad hominem arguments are only allowed in a very narrow exception. What I take seriously is evidence and logic in making the case to support an opinion or assertion of fact.
As to specificity, if you had said you think U.S. black ops in supporting local oppositions to foreign governments was part of the problem? You would have gotten little or no argument as a factual matter. Although it was an unavoidable consequence of the Cold War, it was a stupid often ill-thought out policy that has bitten us as many times as it has bitten the former Soviets and the Chinese.
However, that still doesn’t mitigate that the 9/11 operation was manned by (mostly) Saudis and paid for with Saudi money. Regardless of the U.S. involvement in Operation Cyclone, our current situation is the result of invading a country that without question had nothing to do with 9/11 and were not even on a particularly aggressive footing after their defeat in the Gulf War. The Saudis are our allies in name only. We didn’t invade them for one simple reason: they are business partners of the Bush family and a big customer for Halliburton.
As to the governmental claims that bin Laden himself didn’t get any of the money from Operation Cyclone? Who knows. I tend to think that claim is bullshit – a lot of militants from a lot of Muslim countries were paid to piss off countries we didn’t like, but than again, other than our long term persistent policy of meddling in the affairs of other countries being a generally bad idea? Who can say? There isn’t substantive evidence bin Laden did or didn’t directly benefit from Operation Cyclone. If there is I’d sure like to see it.
Frances,
Glad you’re back….. I hope you find this site useful and informative….. There are many good folks here that share good information….. Sometimes, information that is only published in a limited market…. For the most part Gene can be very informative….. In my opinion, I was offended that he took you on as in my opinion as aggressively as he did….. The regulars here are used to it….and accept it as part of Gene…. It does not make it right…. So, keep up the good fight….and come back soon….
Just to set the record straight, I have not entered into any banter/slagging match with Gene before. I have only ever posted under my own name. I have nothing to hide. I originally posted to one the first comments on this thread as I believed it was not entirely true. The remark about Wikipedia was in jest because of the bias shown in omitting the US funding of Laden, who was behind the attacks. As for being tiresome, the barrage of ‘facts ‘as though that is going to make your argument any more truthful. . That was all. Gene, obviously takes his place here very seriously and it was wrong of me to mock him as I did. I made a sweeping statement regarding argumentation and good sex and again this was taken quite personally by Gene, to be honest, it was the condescending tone of his text that I found annoying and spurned me on. I guess we all have different styles. But bullying is not certainly not one of mine. I leave that to people like Gene. hopefully this post won’t result in another thesis.
Gene,
Now why on earth would one want to get rid of you as a sycophant guest blogger…. No one is quite the drama queen as you…. But then again…. Being a verbal bully is part of being a sycophant…. You have no control over your actions…. I think in my opinion and maybe others you meet all the prongs of McNaughton.
Quit bullying new posters…. Get a clue…
AY,
Others have tried to get rid of me and the other GBs before.
It was most unproductive.
I’m going to keep saying it until is gets through your thick skull, AY: If you don’t like what I say? If you simply don’t like me? No one forces you to read my posts. Feel free to ignore my posts or leave any time you should like. Your participation here is strictly voluntary. But trying to tell me how to be is simply futile wasted effort. It’s not your call. Nor is it your call how this blog is run. That’s not my opinion either. Those are the facts.
Grow up?
How about you grow up and realize your opinions on this matter are simply your opinions and therefore meaningless to anyone but you and that you have no control over me let alone this blog?
I’m not a suitable target for your need to be a drama queen, AY.
Sell your bullshit to someone who doesn’t know you.
I could say the same thing Gene, but that would reek of child like behavior. You are the master in that as well.
It’s okay to insult someone’s sex life but not their parents.
Paa-leasssse. 🙄
Again, you don’t have a right not to be offended and you don’t have any control over what I do in self-defense, verbal or otherwise. It’s my call, not yours. That’s part of what the “self” part of “self-defense” means. Duh.
I’m going to say it until is gets through your thick skull, AY: If you don’t like what I say? If you simply don’t like me? No one forces you to read my posts. Feel free to ignore my posts or leave any time you should like. Your participation here is strictly voluntary. But trying to tell me how to be is simply futile wasted effort. It’s not your call. Nor is it your call how this blog is run. That’s not my opinion either. Those are the facts.
Gene,
Your posting here is strictly voluntary. Your being a guest writer is a privilege you seem to forget, especially when insulting new posters. Tsk, tsk….. Such childishness…. Get a clue….
Straw man. I never said I was in charge. In fact, I said quite the opposite. Rule #1 is JT makes the rules. You sure seem to be operating under the delusional belief that you are somehow in control though. To be clear, the GBs have a small say in what goes on around here. You? You have none at all. That you have no control over me personally is simply manifest truth.
As to your opinion, as I said, noted but irrelevant and about matters beyond your control.
As for insult? It’s not your call as to what I find insulting or how I choose to handle the matter. It’s mine.
Once again, if you don’t like what I say? If you simply don’t like me? No one forces you to read my posts. Feel free to ignore my posts or leave any time you should like. Your participation here is strictly voluntary. But trying to tell me how to be is simply futile wasted effort. It’s not your call. Nor is it your call how this blog is run. That’s not my opinion either. Those are the facts.
Bron,
You might be right. But if that is the case he should have stated that. I think it’s rude and insulting to drag someone’s parents into a disagreement unless you have nothing else at your disposal. That reminds me of high school antics. Then again, there maybe more history as you say.
AY:
he never, in all the arguments we had, insulted my parents. So I am not sure why he did it. To tell you the truth though, I think Frances has posted here before under a different name. The writing style seems vaguely familiar so maybe there is more to this than we know.
In any event I have actually never seen Gene insult someone’s parents. And I do love a good insult fest. Gene usually sticks to making fun of a persons logic: I say my good man your red herring and straw man is making for a fetid dish of rank amateurism. That kind of thing with a little more gusto.
So I am going to posit that I think Gene has been around the may pole with “Frances” before. And doesnt want to say so.
On Brennan’s ties to the Saudis:
Talk About Politicizing Intelligence! Meet John Brennan, CIA Chief Designee
By Russ Baker on Jan 10, 2013
http://whowhatwhy.com/2013/01/10/talk-about-politicizing-intelligence-meet-john-brennan-cia-chief-designee/
“Brennan, it should be noted, has close ties to the Saudi leadership from his years running the CIA station in Riyadh, 1996 to 1999. (He then returned to Washington and was CIA deputy executive director at the time of the September 11 attacks.)
There’s a great deal of irony in taking advice from the Saudis on deep-sixing a valuable piece of evidence, given questions about the Saudi leadership’s knowledge of what was afoot with the 9/11 hijackers. For one thing, there’s the well-known rapid departure of Saudi royals from around the United States immediately following the carnage in New York and Washington.
But there’s a meatier, documented Saudi connection. If you’re not familiar with it, be sure to read our multi-part piece here. As we reported, in the weeks prior to the attacks the alleged hijackers were hanging out at the Florida house owned by a top lieutenant in the Saudi hierarchy. Is Brennan not interested in that? Shouldn’t some Senator ask him about it?”
AP,
Russ Baker is one of my favorote reporters.