In Torrance, California, two women delivering newspapers were shot by LAPD officers looking for triple murder suspect Christopher Dorner. Maggie Carranza, 47, and her 71-year-old mother Emma Hernandez looked nothing like the African-American male suspect but police insisted that they were driving a Toyota Tundra pickup truck similar to Dorner’s truck.
They were in their truck when they were shot by LAPD officers guarding a high-ranking LAPD officer named in Dorner’s manifesto. Their attorney said that there were no warnings before the truck was peppered with bullets. Hernandez was shot in the back.
The officers said that they thought the women’s royal blue Toyota Tacoma matched Dorner’s dark-colored Nissan pickup truck. Of course, under any interpretation of Tennessee v. Garner, that would not constitute a justified basis to open fire.
In the meantime, there are growing calls to reopen the investigation linked to Dorner’s termination by the LAPD. Dorner was terminated on September 4, 2008 after the LAPD accused him of lying about a fellow officer kicking a mentally ill man. Dorner accused now Sergeant Teresa Evans of police brutality in kicking suspect Christopher Gettler in the face while he was handcuffed and lying on the ground. The LAPD internal review board accused Dorner of lying. What is curious about the case is that the father of the mentally ill man corroborated Dorner’s account and Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge David P. Yaffe who reviewed the case in 2010 examined the case a year later as part of an appeal filed by Dorner, said he was “uncertain whether the training officer kicked the suspect or not.” That handling of the case has concerned many who wondered whether Dorner was punished for breaking the code of silence. The LAPD insist he was given a full hearing and found guilty of lying.
LAPD says it will reopen the case to see if there is anything new in Dorner’s manifesto.
Of course, even if one were to accept that he was treated badly, it hardly justifies an alleged killing rampage. Yet, Dorner is developing a following of supporters.
Source: CBS
They found his plastic driver’s license next to his burned beyond recognition body but they found his wallet and ID on Feb 7. They found the undamaged passport of one of the hijackers that flew a 747 into one of the world trade towers at the base of the tower. Have they given up even trying?
I’ve been pondering the question of when did it become ok to burn people alive? Then I remembered Waco and Fallujah. What kind of people are we that it’s ok for our government to do such things in our name?
Could not listen to it all. Listening to Newtown got me filled with cop talk.
So easy to pick out the “former” military ones. Clean, mission directed, calm and completely disengaged—-like he should be of course. It is the “management” we must crave accountability of.
Did anybody hear of a body being found prior to the burn order? “The burners are here……”
Any motive for burning down a propertry that belonged, or was the house a convenient stage prop for a staged burning. “full compensation offered the owner for its seizure.”
Dorner’s true fate won’t be known anytime soon.
Sad.
Police communications about deliberately torching the cabin.
I like LL Cool J, but he’s a target, along with all of the other people of color, a few white folks driving the “wrong” vehicle, and civil rights period in California. I would ask were are the stars in Los Angeles, except they are probably feeling targeted, and forfend if you’re a pro basketball player.
Wackos and Waco!
“Reportedly” means skit in this connection.
Show me the body. We put a corpse in there before setting fire to the cabin. and finding one with those muscles was impossible. We’ll fix something up with the DNA.
Besides we think he went to Mexico (red herring), was assassinated in a grimy motel which we torched. (truth?). A shame we could not fit the drone into the script.
Waldo,
You react to Darrens tingle, great, your choice.
I see your name commenting and think of hobbits. Habitually mentally handicapped (but loveable?) small creatures who never will be humans.
Of course you are human, There are no hobbets. But then how to explain you.
SNARK Love to you too, handicapped as you are. I am too. 🙂
Looks like he murdered a San Bernadino county guy before he reportedly went down.
Terrible and sad.
Chris Dorner Body Not Yet Identified (MAJOR UPDATE)
two women dead for no reason period! and nothing will probably happen to the cops what a sad story
Joe Jones Manifesto: Former LAPD Cop Says He Had Similar Experiences As Alleged Cop Killer, Chris Dorner
The Huffington Post | By Kathleen Miles Posted: 02/12/2013 3:18 pm EST | Updated: 02/12/2013 8:29 pm EST
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/12/joe-jones-manifesto-christopher-dorner_n_2670513.html
Excerpt:
“A former LAPD officer has written a manifesto sympathizing with Christopher Dorner, the fugitive ex-LA cop who has declared “war” on the LAPD.
“The 1st thing I would say to [Dorner] is, I feel your pains!,” Joe Jones wrote in his manifesto, circulated Tuesday by hacker group Anonymous and posted to Jones’ Facebook. “But you are going about this the wrong way. To take innocent lives could never be the answer to anything. I say this as a Man who experienced the same pain, betrayal, anger, suffering, litigation and agony that you did in many ways.”
Jones, 48, was a patrol officer for nine years, retired in 1998 and now has an event-planning company in LA, the LA Weekly reports. It appears that Jones’ Facebook may have been disabled hours after posting his manifesto (see full manifesto below).
He expressed his condolences for Dorner’s victims as well as victims of “the injustices of Police Corruption, Scandal, Lies, Deception and Brutality.”
Jones said he himself has been a victim of such corruption. “I need you to first assume that I would not surface 16 years later with lies about a situation that has me with PTSD to this very day,” he wrote. “The pain forces me to speak as I have yet to shake the Ill’s of my experience as an LAPD Officer.”
Jones’ accounts of personally being wrong by the LAPD include:
1) I had my home viciously attacked by a gunman with my family and myself inside the house. No arrests were made and my family and I Received very little support.
2) I had my Civil Rights violated on several occasions. I was falsely arrested at gunpoint by the Sheriffs as an Officer who ID’d himself and was conspired against by both LAPD and the Sheriffs when my Civil case went to Trial.
3) I was falsely accused on more than one occasion and simply placed in a position that the trust was so compromised that I could no longer wear the Uniform. Also know there were many more episodes. All of these issues are well documented
The former cop drew eerie parallels with Dorner, saying that he looks like Dorner, saying that “like… Dorner I used to smile a lot,” and starting his manifesto off with the exact same intro as Dorner, ” I know most of you who personally who [sic] me are in disbelief…”
Jones told “unethical LAPD” officers to put themselves in a victim’s shoes. “Always think what if it were you, How would you feel?..How would you like if you were falsely accused and your life, lively- hood and career was taken from you? How would you like if someone was beating on you just because they felt they could get away with it?,” he wrote. Echoing Dorner’s claims, Jones continued, “You are no better the criminals you took and oath to arrest when you do what you do!”
He made a direct plea to Dorner to end the killings. “Bro, Don’t kill anymore Innocent people. Your point has been made. Clearly. They know you mean business, The whole world knows. Refrain from any further wrong doing and do what you must to salvage your Soul. Whatever that means to you. Just remember that God is a forgiving God.””
Joe Jones Manifesto follows @ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/12/joe-jones-manifesto-christopher-dorner_n_2670513.html
Thanks anonymously. I’m really surprised! I mean, they said he was like extremely dangerous and all!
http://abcnews.go.com/US/fugitive-cop-christopher-dorner-barricaded-cabin-cops/story?id=18480021
“The two hostages, who were tied up by Dorner but later escaped, were evaluated by paramedics and were determined to be uninjured.”
Michael, they didn’t CARE! Obviously! They didn’t care when they shot up that truck full of women! Why would they care now? They’re trying to save their own skins. I haven’t seen the very latest yet. Did he hurt the 2 people he tied up?
How did the police know he did not have hostages in the cabin when they lobbed a Waco tear gas canister in?
Chris Dorner Dead: Manhunt Ends In Deadly Cabin Shootout
Lost the “L” in LA (previous comment)
“LA residents to police: Don’t shoot, we’re not Dorner”
A residents to police: Don’t shoot, we’re not Dorner
Published: 12 February, 2013, 21:01
http://rt.com/usa/news/police-shoot-dorner-mistaken-037/
Excerpt:
“After three Californians were nearly killed this week by police officers opening fire at people mistaken for suspected murderer Chris Dorner, a solution may finally stop the shootings. And no, the cops haven’t caught the killer.
In the wake of three recent extreme cases of mistaken identity, some entrepreneurial Internet users have designed merchandise that sends a strong message to the police. “Don’t Shoot, I’m Not Chris Dorner” bumper stickers and t-shirts are now being sold on the Web while investigators intensify their manhunt for the suspected killer, a mission that continues to elude authorities and has led officers to so far shooting three people during their search.
Don′t Shoot I′m NOT DORNER!! Bumper sticker (Screenshot from http://www.ebay.com” continues…
Sadly, no matter how incompetent these cops are, they probably won’t be fired, and if fired, there will be endless appeals on their behalf.
Could be that is why we are loved where ever our military goes…..not