Two Women Delivering Newspapers Shot By LAPD After Being Mistaken For Christopher Dorner

220px-Christopher-jordan-dorner.nlapd-two-women-shot-1.pngIn Torrance, California, two women delivering newspapers were shot by LAPD officers looking for triple murder suspect Christopher Dorner. Maggie Carranza, 47, and her 71-year-old mother Emma Hernandez looked nothing like the African-American male suspect but police insisted that they were driving a Toyota Tundra pickup truck similar to Dorner’s truck.

They were in their truck when they were shot by LAPD officers guarding a high-ranking LAPD officer named in Dorner’s manifesto. Their attorney said that there were no warnings before the truck was peppered with bullets. Hernandez was shot in the back.

The officers said that they thought the women’s royal blue Toyota Tacoma matched Dorner’s dark-colored Nissan pickup truck. Of course, under any interpretation of Tennessee v. Garner, that would not constitute a justified basis to open fire.

In the meantime, there are growing calls to reopen the investigation linked to Dorner’s termination by the LAPD. Dorner was terminated on September 4, 2008 after the LAPD accused him of lying about a fellow officer kicking a mentally ill man. Dorner accused now Sergeant Teresa Evans of police brutality in kicking suspect Christopher Gettler in the face while he was handcuffed and lying on the ground. The LAPD internal review board accused Dorner of lying. What is curious about the case is that the father of the mentally ill man corroborated Dorner’s account and Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge David P. Yaffe who reviewed the case in 2010 examined the case a year later as part of an appeal filed by Dorner, said he was “uncertain whether the training officer kicked the suspect or not.” That handling of the case has concerned many who wondered whether Dorner was punished for breaking the code of silence. The LAPD insist he was given a full hearing and found guilty of lying.

LAPD says it will reopen the case to see if there is anything new in Dorner’s manifesto.

Of course, even if one were to accept that he was treated badly, it hardly justifies an alleged killing rampage. Yet, Dorner is developing a following of supporters.

Source: CBS

116 thoughts on “Two Women Delivering Newspapers Shot By LAPD After Being Mistaken For Christopher Dorner”

  1. Latest from today.

    Dorner’s body has been positively identified by DNA evidence.

    The autopsy is complete. Death was by a single gunshot wound to the head. Entry wound and bullet trajectory are consistent with suicide. Not surprising. He was not about to surrender or be captured, and he did not want to be immolated. Often a perp will start a fire, then commit suicide before the flames reach them.

    Arson specialists from the CSI lab are sill analyzing the cabin ruins. They will be looking especially for the location the fire started, was accelerant involved, and the path of the fire following ignition. Detection of accelerant will be the easiest part. Petroleum products such as gasoline or kerosine leave easily identified chemical traces.

  2. An Intentional Fire? Police Use of Incendiary Tear Gas Criticized in Killing of Christopher Dorner

    http://www.democracynow.org/2013/2/15/an_intentional_fire_police_use_of

    “Medical examiners in California say they have positively identified the body of former Los Angeles police officer Christopher Dorner, the man authorities say killed four people over the past two weeks in a campaign of terror against the LAPD. Dorner’s body was found in the burned-out ruins of a California mountain cabin ending the most extensive manhunt in California’s history. Questions are being raised over whether police intentionally set his hideout on fire after police officials confirmed the use of incendiary tear gas. An audio recording from a police scanner appears to show officials from the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department planning to deploy “burners.” In another recording that was aired live on the television station KCAL, a police officer can be heard in the background shouting, “We’re going to burn him out,” and “Burn it down!” We are joined by former Seattle Police Chief Norm Stamper, who says, “Whether it was intentional or not, a very predictable outcome of deploying seven burners in what appears to have been a wooden cabin would predictably leave it in rubble.”

    Guest:

    Norm Stamper, former Seattle police chief. He is author of Breaking Rank: A Top Cop’s Exposé of the Dark Side of American Policing.

  3. From Dorner to Waco to MOVE Bombing, A Look at Growing Militarization of Domestic Policing

    http://www.democracynow.org/2013/2/15/from_dorner_to_waco_to_move

    “The fire that killed former Los Angeles police officer Christopher Dorner on Tuesday has drawn comparisons to the deadly 1993 raid on the Branch Davidian complex in Waco, Texas, and the 1985 police bombing of the MOVE headquarters in Philadelphia. In Waco, federal agents denied for years they had used incendiary tear gas after a fire killed 76 people inside the compound. The MOVE bombing left six adults and five children dead. We speak to former Seattle police chief Norm Stamper and Radley Balko, author of the forthcoming book, “Rise of the Warrior Cop: The Militarization of America’s Police Forces.” [Transcript to come. Check back soon.]
    Filed under Police, Radley Balko, Norm Stamper
    Guests:

    Radley Balko, Senior writer and investigative reporter for The Huffington Post. He is author of the forthcoming book, “Rise of the Warrior Cop: The Militarization of America’s Police Forces,” due out in July.

    Norm Stamper, Former Seattle police chief. He is author of “Breaking Rank: A Top Cop’s Exposé of the Dark Side of American Policing.””

  4. BK,
    Go back and read Darren’s assessment of the audio carefully. Listen to the SoundCloud link where my friend Kestrel (an audio expert who works in radio) cleaned up the background noise and you can hear it more clearly. There were two streams of audio going at the same time. Some were just individual officers and some was command. Command was in charge. Individual officers running their mouth have no official weight other than their own adrenaline fueled opinion. Until forensics comes back with a chemical analysis of the burned wreckage, they do not know if the fire was spread with an accelerant. The suspect had already burned a vehicle, so on first glance it appears he had gasoline or some other flammable with him. It would not be the first time in a standoff the perp set the place on fire.

    The concern about the basement was a tactical one. As Darren pointed out, the basement presented a tactical problem, in that it might have functioned as a safe room from which Dorner could continue to shoot. Their primary concern at that time was that he not kill or wound anyone else.

    One of my biggest problems with this whole affair is that while everyone seems to be hand wringing and pearl clutching about Dorner, I have seen very little concern for the officer he had killed moments before, or the other officer who is still clinging to life in the hospital.

  5. The following sounds to me as if the fire was set intentionally, that they believed Dorner to be alive in the house, and that the fire would be hot enough to burn the floor whether it was wood or concrete.
    ——–

    Over the course of the next hour, I listened as the sheriffs carefully managed the fire, ensuring that it burned the cabin thoroughly. Dorner, a former member of the LAPD who had accused his ex-colleagues of abuse and racism in a lengthy, detailed manifesto, was inside. The cops seemed to have little interest in taking him alive.

    “Burn that f [ ] ucking house down!” shouted a deputy through a scanner transmission inadvertently broadcast on the Los Angeles local news channel, KCAL 9. “F [ ] ucking burn this motherf [ ] ucker!” another cop could be heard exclaiming.

    While live ammo exploded inside the cabin, the deputies pondered whether the basement would burn as well – they wanted to know if its ceiling was made of wood or concrete. They assumed Dorner was hiding there, and apparently wanted to ensure that he would be burned to a crisp. “Because the fire is contained, I’m gonna let that heat burn through the basement,” a deputy declared.

  6. raff,
    Personally, I think the ATF should regulate broccoli and cabbage as lethal explosive products.

  7. OS,
    it is good to know that it is a thermic reaction that causes my gas! 🙂 And here I thought it was something I ate!

  8. Gene, they do stay hot, and it is not a good idea to try and pick one up….you can get third degree burns. Not sure if it is hot enough to ignite wood. Probably hot enough to ignite paper. It is a thermic reaction that generates the gas.

  9. Gene, considering the state of the worlds fisheries and our economy, paying ransomes with tuna may indeed become the new ‘thing’. 🙂

  10. OS,

    If I’m not mistaken, the tear gas canisters proper stay pretty hot during the entire chemical reaction.

  11. We were getting worried you’d been kat-napped (or napping with katz), LK.

    One is okay, the other isn’t if we don’t have enough canned tuna to pay the ransom.

  12. Hmmmmmmm,
    Dorner sent Anderson Cooper a package that contained a DVD that had a sticky note on it saying ‘I told the truth’. Cooper said he turned everything over to LAPD. LAPD said they were examining the contents of the package. That’s all of the story that I have found so far. Maybe I missed the rest of it somehow.

    What’s on the DVD? Would not a journalist have immediately made a copy of the DVD to secure the information? Would not a journalist have published the information?

  13. BK, the law enforcement officers on the scene did not “deliberately try to burn (Dorner) alive.” They did NOT use incendiary grenades. The video I posted above is an incendiary grenade. An incendiary grenade is serious stuff, and has only one purpose: to start fires. When a writer says they used “incendiary grenades,” the writer is talking out his nether orifice.

    Chemical reaction tear gas canisters (or grenades if you prefer) are not powered by a propellant like the ones officers wear on their belt. Non-incendiary tear gas works exactly like your hair spray They are for using on individuals at close range.

    Incendiary chemical reaction tear gas must use heat source igniters in the canister. They only burn long enough to get the gas generating chemical reaction going, but in the meantime the flame is extremely hot. Small flame, but more than a thousand degrees for a couple of seconds. Here is a picture of a standard tear gas grenade.

    http://web.tradekorea.com/upload_file2/sell/78/S00014178/TEAR_GAS_HAND_GRENADE.jpg

    This picture is a cutaway drawing of the same type of tear gas grenade. If you look closely, you will see the small pellet at the top labeled “Starter mixture.” The exact formulation of this device may vary depending on manufacturer. The “Filler Mixture” is more or less inert until exposed to a very hot heat source. The chemical reaction generates a very large volume of tear gas, far more than a spray can can hold. They do sometimes start fires.

    http://www.brooksidepress.org/Products/OperationalMedicine/DATA/operationalmed/images/Weapons/Grenades/ABC-M7A2%20and%203%20Riot%20Control%20Grenade%20.gif

    Now ask yourself this. The cabin catches on fire, either from the tear gas canisters or he sets it himself. This man has said he is ready willing to kill, and backed up his words by his actions. On the scene, he has just killed one officer and critically wounded another only moments before. He has weapons and knows how to use them. They can hear ammunition popping off. Would your be willing to walk up to the door of that cabin and drag him out? Would you let one of your family members do that?

  14. Now having read, a comment:

    BettyKath, Thanks.
    Darren, No thanks you are drinking AND selling the Koolaid.
    AP: After truth as always.

    I asked TonyC recently where we would get a voice that would awake the people like “I have a dream” MLKjr did once.

    Dorner was potentially such a man. He chose the direct action way. A bad choice. He had drank the Koolaid the Marines taught him for combat.

    A book would have been better. Better a live Daniel Ellsberg than a dead MLKjr, or any number of similar people who could and would move the people. Dangerous as all hellsbells to TPTD. Termination with extreme prejudice, and extreme test of folks gullibility.

    Let’s dream that he made it to Mexico. We need to be cheered up. Too much truth here is jävlig depressing.

  15. OS,

    But are the FEDS interested? .

    Your reasoning is good. But based on the arbitrary prosecutorial power demos, and the demos why FEC won’t prosecute nor will AG the Wall Street based individuals (think of the economic effect! Catastrophe!),
    I am forced at this point to wait and see if it will be different this time.

    We had the Warren Commission. And a long series that you can list better than I can. So I wait and see. Will it be visible and accessible? Questions.

    Speculation on the basis of the past CAN be useless. Who will follow this in the media.? He is officially dead. The media drive moves on.

    How glad I would be if it were true. Carrying conspiracies is a heavy burden.

    He has been painted as a crazy murderer who crossed the line. Snort say most.

    PS
    Thanks for the demo of a hellish device not available when I was a soldier.
    Glad(?) you keep up with it all.

  16. Dorner case: Mother says family does not condone her son’s actions

    February 14, 2013 | 9:42 am

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-mother-nancy-statement.html

    “Nancy Dorner, the mother of suspected killer Christopher Dorner, says the family does not condone the violent acts her son is accused of committing.

    “It is with great sadness and heavy hearts that we express our deepest sympathies and condolences to any one that suffered losses or injuries resulting from Christopher’s actions,” she said in a brief statement Wednesday, according to KTLA-TV.

    Nancy Dorner said the family does “not condone Christopher’s actions.” She said the family “asks that our privacy be respected during this difficult time,” KTLA-TV reported.

    In 2002, the Enid News and Eagle in Enid, Okla., reported a good deed by Navy Ensign Chris Dorner, a student at Enid’s Vance Air Force Base, which provides aviation training for Navy and Marine Corps students. Dorner allegedly listed Enid, Okla., as a place where he lived in an online manifesto that authorities have attributed to him.

    The newspaper article, which mentions Dorner’s upbringing in La Palma, says Dorner and another Vance student found a bank bag containing about $8,000 in the middle of a road. The two “promptly took the bag to the Enid Police Department,” and the money was returned to a local church, the News and Eagle reported.

    In the article, Dorner said his mother taught him honesty and integrity.”

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