by Gene Howington, Guest Blogger

Presumed cooked.
There is an old adage, “What’s good for the goose is [not] sauce for the gander” or as phrased today “What’s good for the goose is [not] good for the gander”. The implication being that what is good for one is good for all or not good for all if stated in the negated form. A case out of Florida provides a perfect example to give this adage a workout.
The goose is former President George W. Bush.
The member of the gander in this case is William T. Woodward of Titusville, Florida. Woodward is charged with shooting three of his neighbors, two of them fatally, over the 2012 Labor Day weekend.
His defense? The sauce.
Woodward’s attorneys are asserting Florida’s “Stand Your Ground’ law and the Bush Doctrine.
Let’s examine this case in the light of the history and consequences of “Stand Your Ground”, the Bush Doctrine and how an equally controversial foreign policy stance might impact a domestic criminal proceeding.
Stand Your Ground

Gov. Jeb Bush
The controversial so-called “Stand Your Ground” Law came to the forefront of national media with the Trayvon Martin case. Although his killer, George Zimmerman, and his attorneys decided not to pursue a “Stand Your Ground” hearing, that case was when many people first heard of this law. It probably won’t be the last. In 2005 when this law was adopted by Florida, Florida state Senator Steve Geller warned that it ran the risk of encouraging people to think that “you ought to be able to kill people that are walking toward you on the street because of this subjective belief that you’re worried that they may get in a fight with you.”
Originally enacted in 2005, the bill was signed into law by then Governor Jeb Bush and was sponsored by Florida state Representative Dennis Baxley and state Senator Durell Peadon, Republican allies of the former Governor. This so-called model legislation has been pushed for nationwide on a state-by-state basis by the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), a shadowy 501(c)(3) corporation that allegedly promotes “limited government, free enterprise and federalism” through sponsoring “model legislation”. Funded by the notorious Koch Brothers and such corporations as private prison industry giants GEO Group, Inc. and Corrections Corporation of America, ALEC has been described in less euphemistic language by John Nichols writing for The Nation as a “collaboration between multinational corporations and conservative state legislators” that pursues goals of privatizing government services, reduction and elimination of corporate taxes and regulation, seeks to classify environmental and animal rights activists as terrorists, and works hand in glove with the National Rifle Association (NRA) in “promoting gun rights”. Gun rights such as the incredibly expansive “Stand Your Ground” laws. It should be noted as a sidebar that ALEC is also behind the also controversial Citizens United case which greatly expanded corporate personality and essentially allowed unlimited corporate spending in election advertising. To put it bluntly, ALEC is an organization with a corporatist/fascist agenda. An agenda that would benefit by an increase in gun violence as a rationale for promoting the privatization of government services and institutions like prisons and law enforcement. For more information on ALEC, see the joint venture between The Nation and the Center for Media and Democracy called “ALEC Exposed“.
To put “Stand Your Ground” in context, first consider that the common law doctrine of self-defense provides that 1) a citizen may use reasonable force 2) in defense of themselves, 3) others and 4) sometimes property 5) under imminent threat by an attacker and 6) may be justified in using lethal force in certain objective circumstances such as a reasonable fear of imminent serious injury or death, but 7) also has a duty to retreat or evade if possible.
It should be noted that this provides an affirmative defense. This means that the defender may be charged with a crime but that the crime may be excused due to the mitigating circumstances of self-defense.
The first major modification of this doctrine came in the form of the Castle Doctrine, which although it has older roots in some disparate case law dating as far back as the late 19th Century has also been sponsored more recently by ALEC and the NRA. While it varies from state to state, the notable distinctions are that it 1) removes the duty to retreat or evade in your own home, business and/or vehicle and 2) sometimes provides immunity from criminal charges and civil suits for 3) what would otherwise be self-defense in one’s own home. There are some general qualifiers to this doctrine which may (but not always) include: 1) the intruder must be making (or have made) an attempt to unlawfully or forcibly enter an occupied residence, business, or vehicle, 2) must be acting unlawfully, and 3) the occupant(s)/defender(s) of the home must reasonably believe the intruder intends to inflict serious bodily harm or death upon an occupant of the home although some states apply the Castle Doctrine if the occupant(s)/defender(s) of the home reasonably believe the intruder intends to commit a lesser felony such as arson or burglary and 4) the occupant(s)/defender(s) of the home must not have provoked or instigated the intrusion and/or an intruder’s threat or use of deadly force.
Often packaged and sold with the Castle Doctrine laws is the “Stand Your Ground” provisions at issue in the instant case. To further differentiate “Stand Your Ground” from the common law doctrine of self-defense, “Stand Your Ground” essentially removes the duty to retreat regardless of where you are. Or as Former US Attorney Kendall Coffey told NBC, “The ‘Stand Your Ground’ law is a license to kill. [. . .] The ‘Stand Your Ground’ law has become a huge obstacle to preventing exactly this kind of self-appointed vigilantism—this kind of vigilante justice. It used to be if you shot somebody in quote-unquote ‘self-defense,’ you were protected. But in 2005, Florida decided to become the pioneering state to extend this kind of self-protection to wherever the heck you go…”
According to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, as of 2012, the number of so-called justifiable homicides in the state had tripled since Jeb Bush signed the “Stand Your Ground” law in 2005. It appears Florida state Senator Steve Geller was prescient in his warnings. Perhaps he is related to Uri Geller.
The Bush Doctrine

G.W. Bush
The Bush Doctrine describes a foreign policy stance adopted by the George W. Bush administration and primarily constructed by neoconservative hawks like Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and the “think tank” known as Project for the New American Century (PNAC). While the Bush Doctrine is a little (but only a little) more complicated than a doctrine of preemptive warfare, it has four primary features: unilateral action in place of cooperative action or consensus building (because we are the John Wayne of Nations, naturally), attacking countries that harbor terrorists (which, considering terrorism is a tactic, essentially means whomever the administration wants to attack and can even remotely paint with a broad brush), preemptive warfare and promote (ironically) democratic regime change (which the last time I checked was interfering with the sovereignty of a foreign nation in addition to being next to impossible to impose by external force given the nature of the term “democracy”). Perhaps not so coincidental, Jeb Bush was a signatory to the original statement of principles issued by PNAC. However, for the purposes here, it is the preemptive warfare component of that disastrous doctrine that is relevant. Citing Enoch v. State, No. 1D10-3443, July 27, 2012 and the Bush Doctrine, attorney Robert Berry has requested a “Stand Your Ground” hearing to clear his client William T. Woodward of the charges against him in the fatal shooting of two of his neighbors and the severe wounding of a third man.
The Case of William T. Woodward

Defendant
A neighborhood feud culminated in a “preemptive strike”.
At 12:30 AM on Sept. 3, 2012, police arrived to 1950 Smith Drive in Titusville, Florida to find that William Woodward had snuck up on his neighbors and shot them while they were having a Labor Day barbeque. The incident started with a fight over an allegedly stolen roll of duct tape before exploding into gunfire. In the aftermath, Gary Lee Hembree dies on the scene and Roger Picior later died from their injuries. The third victim, Bruce Timothy Blake, survived. He had been shot sixteen times.
As with many such situations, this was the result of ongoing conflict. Before the shootin, police had responded numerous times to the ongoing dispute. Woodward and Hembree even went to court before Judge John D. Moxley, who did not issue an injunction or any other court orders. In the motion filed by Woodward’s attorneys, it says that in the hours prior to the shooting that Hembree, Picior and Blake were yelling at Woodward, calling him names and saying “Come on boys. We’re going to get him. We’re going to get him, all three of us.” This kind of behavior had been allegedly ongoing for over a month. The question is was this an imminent threat a reasonable person would take as a threat imminent of death or necessary to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony. Stealing a roll of duct tape in and of itself is not a felony. Insofar as imminence is concerned though, there is no concrete legal definition. As Assistant State Attorney Wayne Holmes explained “As with many things in not only the law, but life in general, you’ve got to have a certain amount of flexibility. [. . .] There’s a certain amount of ability to take the facts, whatever they may be and apply it to that law. Sometimes it fits perfectly; sometimes it doesn’t fit at all.” Does this seem to fit? Woodward’s attorney Robert Berry told Florida Today that “[he thinks] legally that term has sort of been evolving especially given changes of our government’s definition of ‘imminent. It’s become more expansive than someone putting a gun right to your head. It’s things that could become, you know, an immediate threat.” [emphasis added]
Did the definition of the word imminent change with the Bush Doctrine?
According to OED, “imminent” means “about to happen”. “Could” as the past tense of “can” means “used to indicate possibility”. One is a statement of probability, the other a statement of possibility. Likely versus might. I don’t think the meaning of the word changed, but that there are those with a vested interest in changing the definition in a polar and nonsensical manner. Keep that in mind the next time you hear a politician use the word “imminent”. You have been and will continue hearing that word a lot from politicians in days recently past and in the near future.
Did the original common law doctrine of self-defense need to be changed at all?
I don’t think so. It served its purpose and it served it well. Those acting in reasonable and proportionate self-defense did not go to prison for their actions.
Can a questionable national foreign policy stance be used to bolster an affirmative defense or a serve as an excuse for exculpation in a “Stand Your Ground” hearing over an individual’s – not a state’s or Federal – actions?
Unlikely, but it illustrates the common macho/cowboy ideals behind such “thinking”. However, the cloudy and certainly propagandized distortion of language used in formulating a poor foreign policy stance neither translates into either a semantic drift in the English language nor a properly asserted affirmative defense or exculpation of an individual’s actions. As Melbourne, Florida attorney Kepler Funk said “it was ‘valid’ that Woodward would want an independent jury to make this decision rather than a judge, but felt it was unlikely the court would convene one for this pretrial hearing. ‘It’s novel for sure, and I’m all for thinking outside the box, so I commend him for that. I don’t know the court’s going to grant the motion though.”
Is what’s good for the goose good for the gander?
Is what’s good for the goose not good for the gander?
What do you think?
Source(s): WESH.com, Raw Story, FloridaToday.com, The Daily Mail (UK), PBS, The Nation (1, 2), Enoch v. State, No. 1D10-3443, July 27, 2012. (FindLaw), ALEC Exposed, Jeb Bush photo by Gage Skimore, Oxford English Dictionary and Wikipedia (various references).
~submitted by Gene Howington, Guest Blogger
Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter:
I am wondering the same things myself.
Your asking the question about the increase in prison population when perps are getting popped is germane.
Gene is in love with complexity and hates neo-cons [not that he is wrong on disliking neo-cons, they are devilish] so he would turn this into a metaphor for geopolitical actions.
People are behind the actions of nations and so one could say what Gene said and be on firm ground. And remember Saddam did try and kill Bush’s father so there was that aspect of “we’re gonna getcha” to the whole Iraq mess.
ALEC does try and suck up to conservative members of state legislatures but then so have liberal orgs for years as well, talk about your sauce, eh?
With all that said, it still seems a bit of a stretch; Gene turning this into a metaphor for international conflict. More like a bunch of crazy rednecks with shirt for brains.
All in all, you do a nice job of reporting.
Gene,
Nice article.
I don’t like the Bush Doctrine, I don’t like or trust ALEC, I hate 501 c 3 & I can’t stand the Nazi Bush Family.
Maybe the “Stand your Ground” law has some flaws?
Good chance that like with other laws it’s often just an issue with who/how it’s being implemented.
But one issue the political Left had better get over or continue lose to it is the 2nd Amd/Gun Rights issues.
It would be Insane at this moment or any other time in history for people to give up any advantage in matters of being Armed & the ability to determine when best to employ those Rights.
The govt’s ability as to when they can use violence/force should be a completely different set of restrictive rules.
Yet back on the 2nd Amd, US Gun Violence is dropping drastically.
One reason likely for the drop is more people armed & maybe another partial reason is the removal of Lead from gasoline is making people less prone to violent behavior.
And we’ve all got a good indication that violent crime will drop further as Cannabis is legalized state by state.
I think it’d be interesting to see the stats on those committing acts of violence on alcohol vs those with no alcohol.
https://www.google.com/search?q=gun+violence+drops
Also, and speaking of innumeracy, learn what the term “statistically significant” means.
Your confusion and the ease thereof is not my concern, Sqweak.
But it is obvious.
@geneh:
You said: “Now quit trying to derail the topic of this thread which is the wisdom of preemptive violence and the SYG laws that needlessly distort the common law doctrine of self-defense into an excuse for vigilantes.”
Sooo, are you making the analogy, or are you not? I realize that Woodward’s attorney made the analogy, and I agree with you that it is a wild stretch. So if it probably not going to work in Woodward’s case, why are “preemptive strikes” even a part of this conversation???
As far as whether SYG laws “needlessly” distort the common law, I linked you directly to an article which discussed that point, and SYG’s place in common law history. Which article also pointed out that the “tripling” was from all of 13 to 42. Which hardly seems an epidemic. I mean, how many of those 29 extra defendants would have been convicted in the absence of SYG? Isn’t that kind of an important thing to know, if you are trying to prove that somebody got by with something?
I do admit to some confusion over what you wrote. I am still trying to digest how the prison industry might benefit from an increase in the number of justifiable homicides, since that would tend to cut down on the number of inmates. But I am sure thinking about it!
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
“I think there were other ways of going about it than invading a country that did not attack us and doing the dirty work and giving a pass to the country that did.” (Gene)
Ah, but that’s because you have a moral compass and are sane.
That’s even funnier considering Slarti is a mathematician and your posts are nothing but attitude, blatant propaganda and weak argumentation, Sqweakly.
Now quit trying to derail the topic of this thread which is the wisdom of preemptive violence and the SYG laws that needlessly distort the common law doctrine of self-defense into an excuse for vigilantes.
@Blouise:
I saw it more as Slarti attempting to lecture me on the strawman argument and admitting in the process that he hadn’t actually read the underlying linked article. Which, kind of proved my general point. That for some people, “attitude” has replaced “argumentation.” Which Dredd, in another thread, coincidentally backed up with a link to this interesting study:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/09/new-study-politics-makes-you-innumerate
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Blouise,
Yep. When I read that, my first thought was “this will be entertaining watching Slarti dismantle her”. I’m familiar with her from elsewhere on the Net. She’s a frequent poster at Fogbow and Doc Conspiracy. She’s widely considered a garden variety neocon propaganda troll of the lowest skill set imaginable. Given her remarkable display of ineptness here, I can see how she garnered that reputation.
Blouise,
While I agree that long term containing Iran is a valid strategic goal, I think there were other ways of going about it than invading a country that did not attack us and doing the dirty work and giving a pass to the country that did. We could have and should have invaded Saudi Arabia after 9/11 and that would have provided an equally valuable FOB for containing Iran. I’m pretty much about justice when it comes right down to it and no strategy achievable by other means is worth catering to the Saudis.
Gene,
I loved it when she lectured Slarti on the straw man argument. That was a real hoot.
“I think a lot of this goes back to both faulty logic and an improper view of risk partially poisoned by an unhealthy dose of testosterone.” (Gene)
I agree. Back in the day we called LBJ’s poisoned fixation on Nam “The Texas Ranger Mentality”.
However, if I may for a moment and admittedly without concrete reference, look at the Black Swan outliers or theory. I remember George Bush Jr., shortly after the decision to invade Iraq was implemented, telling us that he knew it was the right decision and that after 15-20 years he will be proven right.
At that point in time I strongly suspected that the real policy was to “clean up” the entire middle east, country by country, with the firm support of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Israel. On that note, as soon as Syria is “stabilized”, Iran will be handled and Bush’s point will have been made.
Terrorism was never the reason, only the excuse.
Learn to read, Sqweakly. Seriously. Better yet, learn to understand what you read.
I said the exact opposite of what you allege, Ms. Straw Person. Woodward’s attorneys are the ones stretching to the analogy and asserting SYG. That was a weak tactic and obvious nonsense if you actually read what I wrote. Which I suspect you didn’t read any further than the headline and wanted to spew some more of your propagandized gibberish.
You are a tiresome, simple creature.
What do I think? I think you stretched the analogy too far. SYG will probably NOT excuse Woodward’s “preemptive strike”, and I do not see the word “imminent” being stretched far enough to include the neighbor’s jawboning.
Perhaps the analogy would have worked better if the “preemptive strikes” part had compared Bush’s strike on Iraq to Eric Holder’s so-called “voting rights” lawsuits. At least there, you would have the same lack of underlying evidence to make them similar.
As far as SYG laws generally, I shan’t ever vote in favor of repealing them. You may enjoy reading Andrew Branca, who actually the book on Self Defense, and here is an example:
http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/07/stand-your-ground-the-new-self-defense-doctrine-thats-136-years-young/
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
And to finish that thought . . .
That relates back to this story precisely in the faulty logic used to distort the very functional common law doctrine of self-defense into a non-functional rationale for vigilante behaviors. The only part of the Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground that has a remotely rational basis as it relates to justice is that if one’s actions are excused and mitigated by the proper assertion of common law self-defense, I think you can make a good argument for either limiting or eliminating their potential civil liability. Other than that, I think it plays into the neocon strategy of creating or exacerbating situations that play into their “privatize everything for personal profit” agenda and to do so at any cost. What’s a statistically significant increase in “justifiable homicides” under the new rules if it helps them sell the idea that private law enforcement can do a better job?
Thanks, Blouise.
I think a lot of this goes back to both faulty logic and an improper view of risk partially poisoned by an unhealthy dose of testosterone.
For example, when one objectively looks at the actual risks posed by terrorism, the Patriot Act becomes a manifest overreaction disproportionate to the actual threat. I know some, like Mark, like to appeal to Black Swan outliers as a justification for the War on Terrorism, but then again, I think that is just an improper understanding of risk as a statistical proposition.
“It’s probably best that you don’t make threats against people, they may take you seriously,” said Robert Berry, an attorney representing Woodward.
“Many laws as certainly make bad men, as bad men make many laws.”
(Walter Savage Landor)
But since I really like your aside to Uri Geller … Stand Your Ground laws and Bush Doctrine policy are bent spoons supported by bent spoon thinkers and appealing to bent spoon personalities. In Florida and D.C., soup is no longer on the menu ’cause all the spoons are bent.
This is an excellent GB blog, Gene.
Between Syria and this, the idiocy of Bush, his lies and his policies, is the gift that keeps on giving.
I often see John Nichols in the Ancora Coffee Shop on King St. in Madison when I stop in for a cup o’ joe. He pens his column in this unofficial office. Nichols is very approachable and amiable.
“Funded by the notorious Koch Brothers and such corporations as private prison industry giants GEO Group, Inc. and Corrections Corporation of America, ALEC has been described in less euphemistic language by John Nichols writing for The Nation as a “collaboration between multinational corporations and conservative state legislators” that pursues goals of privatizing government services, reduction and elimination of corporate taxes and regulation, seeks to classify environmental and animal rights activists as terrorists …” -Gene H
They are Oil-Qaeda which is not only terrorist, it is treasonous.