As many on this blog know, I often object to those who criticize our Constitution as a way of excusing their circumvention of civil liberties or the separation of powers. Some in the Bush Administration took that position in suggesting that our Constitution was somehow a contributor to the 9-11 attacks — in their push to pass the Patriot Act. President Obama seems to take up a similar lament to rationalize his repeated violation of the separation of powers in recent years. Obama raised the issue with donors to suggest that the Framers got it wrong in their design of Congress and Article I of the Constitution. Indeed, he appears to be a critic of the “Great Compromise” that gave small states an equal voice in the Senate. It is of course not his assuming legislative and judicial powers in the creation of what I have called an “uber presidency” that fundamentally changed our system. There is no real need for compromise of any kind in the new emerging model of executive power so it should not be a surprise that “Great Compromise” would appear particularly precious and unnecessary.
I recently testified (here and here and here) and wrote a column on President Obama’s increasing circumvention of Congress in negating or suspending U.S. laws. Obama has repeatedly suspended provisions of the health care law and made unilateral changes that were previously rejected by Congress. He has also moved hundreds of millions from one part of the Act to other parts without congressional approval. Now, his administration is reportedly changing key provisions of the ACA to potentially make billions of dollars available to the insurance industry in a move that was never debated, let alone approved, by the legislative branch. I just ran another column this month listing such incidents of executive over-reach that ideally would have included this potentially huge commitment under Obama’s claimed discretionary authority.
President Obama is now responding by attacking the Constitution and saying that James Madison and others simply got it wrong by guaranteeing equal voting in the United States Senate. Of course, he has not shared such views with the public. Instead, he discussed them with a small group of Democratic donors who are facing increasing opposition from friends in supporting Obama. Obama met with these donors in a private event in Chicago and put the blame on the Framers: “Obviously, the nature of the Senate means that California has the same number of Senate seats as Wyoming. That puts us at a disadvantage.” These comments also appear on an official transcript. The President does not call to change the Constitution but laments about the structure of the Senate and the equality of small and large states.
Not to spoil the new post hoc spin but I find it less than obvious. The “disadvantage” that the President has been complaining about is the refusal of Congress to do what he has demanded. Ironically, he has faced more consistent opposition in the House, not the Senate. The House is divided according to population, which Obama appears to prefer.
The problem is not the Constitution but the division in the country. We are divided on a great number of issues. Roughly fifty percent of Americans hate Obamacare and want it repealed. Immigration and other issues continue to divide voters in both parties. While we have a representative democracy, it still has democratic elements. Congress reflects the divisions in the country. When we go through periods of division, fewer things get done and really big reforms or changes are particularly difficult. However, such division is no license to “go at it alone” as the President has promised. The Madisonian system is designed to force compromise and to vent the factional pressures that have torn apart other nations. That is precisely why the President’s actions are so dangerous. They are creating a dominant branch in a tripartite system that allows for unilateral action from a president. Such powers will outlast this president and will likely come back to haunt those Democrats and liberals who are remaining silent (or even applauding) this president’s actions.
As for the Senate, the “Great Compromise” in 1787 fit well in the anti-factional design of the Article One — even though Madison himself was once an advocate for proportional distribution and did not agree that large states would join together against small states. Where other constitutions (as in France) tended to allow factional pressures to explode outwardly, the U.S. Constitution allows them to implode within the legislative branch — funneling these pressures into a process where disparate factional disputes can be converted into majoritarian compromises. This happens through the interactions of houses with different constituencies and interests. The House tends to be the most responsive and desirous of the fastest reaction to national problems. After all, the members are elected every two years and represent smaller constituencies. The Senate has longer term and larger constituencies. It tends to put the breaks on legislative impulse. At the same time, the mix of different interests from large and small states changing the dimension of legislative work in the Senate — adding adding pressure for compromise and reevaluation.
The Great Compromise was forged after various plans from Virginia, New Jersey, and other states were debated. There was considerable support for bicameralism though William Paterson of the New Jersey suggested a single house system (with equal voting for the states). Some like Roger Sherman sought proportional representation in the “lower” house while guaranteeing equal representation in the “upper” house. Virginia delegates like Edmund Randolph and James Madison (as well as Alexander Hamilton) thought it should all be proportional in a bicameral system.
The conference rejected the New Jersey plan which would have created an unicameral legislature with one vote per state. However, the convention deadlocked on the Virginia plan. The issue was referred to committee and out emerged the Great Compromise or what was known as the Connecticut or Sherman compromise. The proposal was put forward by Roger Sherman and Oliver Ellsworth of Connecticut to blend the Virginia (large-state) and New Jersey (small-state) proposals. Sherman called for “That the proportion of suffrage in the 1st. branch [house] should be according to the respective numbers of free inhabitants; and that in the second branch or Senate, each State should have one vote and no more.”
There is a moderating influence that has come from the additional constituency factor of small versus large states in the Senate. In fairness to Obama, the division does appear more driven by party politics than geographics today. I am not convinced that the large versus small states are a defining political line in today’s politics and Madison may have been right about that point. However, some of the divisions between the parties reflect such geographic elements. Western and Southern politicians tend to be less supportive of environmental issues, national parks and other areas that reflect their interests of their states and citizens. In the end, however, the “disadvantage” faced by Obama is found in both houses, not just the Senate. Moreover, polls show considerable opposition in the areas where Obama is acting unilaterally like immigration.
As for the House, Obama complained that he is also at a disadvantage because “Democrats tend to congregate a little more densely, which puts us at a disadvantage in the House.” That is a perfectly valid call for political action. The Senate comments tend to reflect a growing criticism among some supporters that the Congress is rigged against the Democrats due to the equality of state voting.
Ironically, if there is one provision that could clearly be changed as outmoded it is the electoral college, which has consistently dysfunctional effects on our system. Rather than change the fundamental structure of Congress, that would be a change worthy of presidential advocacy. The changes that have occurred in the Constitution makes this relatively small provision a growing anomaly in our elections. The equality of states in the Senate is neither the cause of the current deadlock (given the role of the House) nor does it excuse the President’s circumvention. It seems to be an obvious post-rationalization for acts of circumvention.
So here is my only request. This is not the first veiled criticism of the Constitution by leaders of both parties. I have long ago stopped hoping that our leaders would maintain a logical and efficient approach to taxes, the environment, education, and other areas. I have come to accept that the executive and legislative branches will continue to waste hundreds of billions and harass trends toward growth. However, I continue to believe that our system can carry the huge costs of both branches and still benefit our citizens. The only limited request is that the two parties with a stranglehold on this nation leave the basic principles of the Constitution alone. That is all. They can destroy the economy, the educational system, and even global stability. However, the Constitutional structure was given to us by the Framers and has served us well. It has certainly served us better than our leaders.
In other words, what is “obvious” Mr. President is that it is not the Constitution that is the problem.
swarthmoremom,
Nice article, but:
“the Socratic Method is a tool and a good one at that used to engage a large group of students in a discussion, while using probing questions to get at the heart of the subject matter. The Socratic Method is not used at Chicago to intimidate, nor to “break down” new law students, but instead for the very reason Socrates developed it: to develop critical thinking skills in students and enable them to approach the law as intellectuals.”
http://www.law.uchicago.edu/prospectives/lifeofthemind/socraticmethod
Prevaricating and dissembling have no place in Socratic dialogue or any meaningful discussion.
But I think you already knew that.
Thank you guys (and Jim, I have had my views changed from info on this blog and others but one needs to be willing to listen and read what others post whether they share your positions or not.)
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2011/12/15/rethinking-how-the-law-is-taught/socratic-teaching-is-a-thing-of-the-past
“And on the basis of three (3) of my sentences.”
Sentences illustrative of your prevaricating.
“Yes. I know Bob thinks I played the slave.”
No, I just imagined you as a law student; sitting in the front row of something like Keating’s Contract class in “The Paper Chase” — wondering how quickly you’d be asked to leave.
I believe ‘immediately’ would be the correct answer; unless the professor felt like making an example of you.
leejcaroll – You are calling the kettle black on this one. Classic liberal response that if we don’t bow to what we believe are misguided views, we are wrong and you are taking your toys and going home. The “tolerant” side has zero tolerance for people that don’t agree with them.
Besides, do you really come to this site thinking you are going to change anyone’s viewpoint? If so, you aren’t as smart as you think you are. I know I have no chance in hell of changing any of your views regardless of what any facts I could present.
.Wow! High praise indeed. Bob Esq. equates my exchange with Karen as a Socratic dialog. And on the basis of three (3) of my sentences. I’m humbled, Bob. Truly humbled.
Yes. I know Bob thinks I played the slave. But I’m encouraged. With Karen as a mentor and her use of scholarly sources such as the John Birch Society, Phyllis Schlafly, and her admiration for Sean Hannity, I’m sure I can improve.
But Nick will be very unhappy. He HATES questions.
Annie – yeppers
Good grief Paul. You refuse to provide cites and links, yet you critique leejcarroll’s research skills? Really? It’s almost comical.
As swarthmoremom said, leejcarroll has been posting comments on this blog for a long time–and is well-respected by many of us regulars.
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leejcarroll,
We know you can stand the heat. I’m sure I speak for many others when I say that I like having you around and hope you’ll continue to comment on this blog..
Elaine – glad you are down for the sisterhood.
Karen: “Just to clarify, when you say you want your daughter to be able to have a late term abortion, do you support abortion up until the child draws breath – 9th month? How late is OK? Do you think that if a mother wraps a newborn in a plastic bag and smothers him, that should be legal or illegal? What if she kills him before he drew a breath, as he was being born? Legal or illegal? It seems weird that it is legal to kill an infant in the birth canal, on his way out, but illegal to kill him once he takes his first breath, seconds later.”
feynman: “Sure. No one would be the least disturbed when questioned if they approved of killing babies with plastic wrap. And you found that image amusing?”
feynman: “Interesting recap, Karen. You left out the part where you asked if I supported smothering a baby in plastic wrap, though. Sorry that you are unable to fully examine the ‘extremity’ of my position. Sometimes life just isn’t fair.”
Socratic method (also known as method of elenchus, elenctic method, or Socratic debate), named after the classical Greek philosopher Socrates, is a form of inquiry and discussion between individuals, based on asking and answering questions to stimulate critical thinking and to illuminate ideas. It is a dialectical method, often involving a discussion in which the defense of one point of view is questioned; one participant may lead another to contradict himself in some way, thus strengthening the inquirer’s own point.
The Socratic method is a negative method of hypothesis elimination, in that better hypotheses are found by steadily identifying and eliminating those that lead to contradictions. The Socratic method searches for general, commonly held truths that shape opinion, and scrutinizes them to determine their consistency with other beliefs. The basic form is a series of questions formulated as tests of logic and fact intended to help a person or group discover their beliefs about some topic, exploring the definitions or logoi (singular logos), seeking to characterize the general characteristics shared by various particular instances. The extent to which this method is employed to bring out definitions implicit in the interlocutors’ beliefs, or to help them further their understanding, is called the method of maieutics. Aristotle attributed to Socrates the discovery of the method of definition and induction, which he regarded as the essence of the scientific method.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method
Lashing someone to the Socratic rock is the apex of civilized discourse; at least the interesting variety.
Imagine a law student raising the same objections as Feynman did.
Leej is a long time poster who does her research.
SWM – leejcarol does some research but not in depth.
leejcarroll, I get what you’re saying. Some days it just isn’t worth the effort.
Paul, so much for civility. I can stand the heat very well thank you but I do not enjoy hitting my head against a brick wall.
leejcaroll – if you cannot stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
feynman:
“I don’t know. I hope such tragedies are very rare.”
On that we agree.
You are alright for a liberal. 🙂
Darren Smith
Thanks.
I am leery of the Last Menstrual Period standard. It may be a new tactic by the ‘no abortion’ people who are working on passing legislation in friendly states that outlaw abortion at a very early stage of pregnancy – something like 6 weeks – when many women have no idea they are pregnant. The end game of such laws is to get to the point where ‘abortion’ is illegal from the moment of conception.
And I would also offer that some may say that the opposing side ‘does not understand’ – when it is more accurate to say the opposing side simply disagrees. .
Im out of this discussion. There is no point showing other information when posters only want to hear their own voice and those that eco them. That is why the country is at such a standstill. My voice counts, if you disagree with me nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, I have no interest in truth other then mine.
DailyKos can duck and cover for the IRS and the administration all they want, but it will not help.