Attorney Matt McLaughlin, an attorney in Huntington Beach, California, is facing a call for disbarment after he filed for a statewide resolution that would legalize the execution of gay people and make it a crime to support gay rights in the state. Anyone can file such papers and, for just $200, force the attorney general to prepare a title and a summary for the proposed new law. The question is whether this despicable act can or should be used for a bar action as conduct that shows that he is not of “good moral character.”
The 2016 initiative, named the “Sodomite Suppression Act”, is awaiting further review by the office of the state attorney general, Kamala Harris, and would mandate “any person who willingly touches another person of the same gender for purposes of sexual gratification be put to death by bullets to the head, or by any other convenient method.” It would also make it a crime to support gay rights, punishable by a $1 million fine and up to 10 years in prison (as well as expulsion from the state). It would also make it illegal to distribute “sodomistic propaganda” to “any person under the age of majority”. Furthermore, being a “sodomite” or distributing “sodomistic propaganda” would disqualify a resident from serving in public office or public employment and from enjoying any public benefit. McLaughlin stated in his proposal that it is “better that offenders should die rather than that all of us should be killed by God’s just wrath”. Suffice it to say, McLaughlin has some serious issues as well as a serious need for psychoanalysis.
However, what he did was the exercise of a legal action with the political system. There is an ironic twist to the notion of his claims of morality being used to establish that he is not of “good moral character.” We have faced this type of issue before. If an attorney does not engage in discriminatory or hateful treatment of clients or witnesses, should he be punished for his political or moral views? I tend to be leery of speech being the basis for criminal or bar sanctions because it is difficult to see where to draw the line. There are many attorneys who engage in political speech as individuals that is deemed insulting to different races or genders.
State senator Ricardo Lara and others have filed a formal complaint with the state bar. It is not clear if any proceeding would bring up past controversies with McLaughlin, including his 2004 proposed initiative to add the King James Bible as a textbook in California public schools. Once again, such efforts are taken in his capacity as a citizen within the political system.
What do you think?
p.s. Paul C.
From:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/02/150227-siberia-mystery-holes-craters-pingos-methane-hydrates-science/
Lots more where that stuff came from and even more in the deep oceans…
BTW, the Atlantic currents are slowing due to GCC. But this is getting off topic and deserves a different thread.
Paul C.
Good and evil had a fight and good won and burned evil up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism
Now, I’m not saying Mazda is real or anything, however natural phenomenon of gas emmissions in the middle east are common. And, couple that with the lack of knowledge about science with a heavy dependence on mystical religions, one can come up with a lot of ‘godly’ events in life. It’s almost similar in nature when evangelicals deny global climate change and the science of it. I mean, it’s easy to say that God will see us through while not changing one’s ways, ignoring the truth and the weight it carries should such science be ignored… er… lacking the will to understand.
The earth burped and she’s getting ready to do it again… FYI!
Max-1 – I almost became a Zoroastrian, but I just could not get into the idea of worshiping fire. I did like the idea of the constant battle between good and evil. That made a lot of sense logically.
@Max-1
I don’t think there is a real big pro-incest lobby out there. Yet. Give it time though, and I bet we see that and a pro-pedophilia lobby get really ginned up. And people calling any of us who object, “pedophobes” and stuff.
But, it is good that you are at least reading the Bible. Plus, the Sodomites were trying to rape and sodomize the Angels who came to visit Lot IIRC. My guess is they got turned on by their wings. But I ain’t no Bible scholar, so who knows.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Squeeky wrote: “I don’t think there is a real big pro-incest lobby out there. Yet. Give it time though, and I bet we see that and a pro-pedophilia lobby get really ginned up.”
Excellent response. So many like to pretend that there is no such thing as a homosexual agenda.
Ps happypappies
Soddom and Gamorah. Why is it no ‘devout’ believer mentions the incest of Lott and his daughters but boy, oh boy they sure are sure it was about gays…
Max-1 – the evidence for the incest of Lot and his daughter is pretty solid. The whole gay thing is a little harder to suss out. BTW, did you see they probably found Sodom and Gomorrah? And they figured out how the rain of fire came down?
@PaulCS
Well, I think the Jews win this one. The question is not loaded, as Max-1 suggests. I suspect maybe Max-1 is “loaded.”
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
happypappies
I’m on my spyphone typing so sometimes it decides to end a sentence on me. There is an extra period in that Rome statement of mine. Sorry if I confused.
I hope the local police are able to track down who’s making these bomb theats. No community is ever safe living in THAT kind of fear. And do it soon. Perhaps another Faith community can show solidarity, although I doubt many other denominations or Creeds will, by surrounding the building as a human shield of Faith. Outwardly it shows support and solidarity to the sanctity of Faith, itself, regardless of belief practices… However I fear the issue of gay marriage will keep THAT solidarity to be poor. I think we understand the whys behind the resistance among other religions. I have faith they will come together over the issue of gay marriage. Maybe this can be an opening invite to the gathering of multi-faiths…
Max-1
I didn’t notice about any extra period. Everyone keeps morphing into different personalities around here. Like I said, I suspect possession (lol) only it is not a laughing matter. Consider some of the people. You saw those comments the Jewish Zionist branch made up there. You saw my comment. I walk a thin line here and I am not popular for it. I do not like Obama and I think he is a traitor to the Country and I think his legislation for ACA is God Awful and will screw the Average American 6 ways of Sunday before all is said and done. The erosion of the Constitution the last 4 Presidents or 5 actually have done is absurd in the extreme. Reagan’s De Regulation of the Housing market was the beginning of the end of the economy as we know it as well as Tip O’Neill signing the Amnesty Agreement in 1986 before Mid Terms.
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/27552380?sid=21106259787443&uid=2&uid=3739256&uid=3739744&uid=70&uid=2129&uid=4
Oh yes, all of this has been going on forever before you were born. LBJ did what President Obama did to Jay Nixon in Missouri during the Ferguson Riots by telling him to hold back the National Guard while the Rioters looted the City. Yes……just like LBJ allowed the looters to destroy Detroit in the 1967 Race Riots when George Romney was the Governor. 42 people Dead. Ask Aridog. Hell I will ask My Uncle John, wait, I can’t, he is dead. Oh yes and rember LBJ was a White Texas Oil Man so you can’t say it was because he was Black.
So, when is this going to stop I want to know when it is going it stop…..
Jesus did not have a phone………… No one would stay up with him that last night you know? His Father would not take the cup from him. He had to drink the Bitter Cup.
We have to pick up our Crosses – all of us – and stop saying it’s not in our religion – we don’t want this religion here – we hate your sky god – people wake up/
Paul C
That baker question is loaded… Did they actuay make it ON the Sabbath…? Or just complete the contract? One is work, the other is fulfilling an agreed contract. If course if in the contract it specified a ‘no deliveries’ clause and the bakers signed it knowingly that the delivery would occur on the Sabath… I’d be asking why a bakery would enter into a contract and then backed out.
Max-1 – my understanding is they can neither bake nor deliver on Sabbath so they would have to refuse the contract on religious grounds. Who wins?
happypappies
I often see Rome, old Rome, in modern day America. Lots of bread and circus… And somehow the Christians have take. A fancy to doing Caesar’s bidding rather God’s instead.
Max-1
Jesus wanted us to give to Caesar’s what was Caesar’s and give to the Lord what was the Lord’s – But the Greco Christians thought it was endtimes. In Fact – when John of Patmos penned the Revelation – that Apocalyptic scripture that has everyone in such a tizzy about the Tribulation(I am glad that my religion blew Nicolas Cage and Jason Cameron off) He was only using the Genre of the times to warn the people how they should behave. Much like now. People are confused. The Hebrews were confused thus my allusions to the Sodomites. Why was it okay for King David to Steal Bathsheba – Oh I know – because he was Anointed – I told my Advocate I speak with here I am not going there. It is too hypocritical for what we are really supposed to be learning.
We need to advance as a species and learn to love and accept each other and don’t worry about what each other does in the bedroom. Does Squeeky know about the Cancer research on Leukemia in Berlin?
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=123582
@happypappies
It was just a hypothetical for Max-1. Being a narcissist, he focused in on the two consenting adults aspect of gay relationships, and completely forgot the two consenting adults aspect between the baker (for example) and the gay customer.
Hopefully, I have made him think about other people.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Squeeky – let’s set up a hypothetical. Orthodox Jew baker and gay couple. They want a wedding cake delivered on Sabbath. Baker says it is against his religion. Wins or loses?
@Max-1
Two consenting adults??? Oh no, you didn’t go there, did you??? What a joke! How about a gay guy walks into the Jesus H. Christ Bakery, and asks the owner to make a wedding cake for his upcoming marriage to another dude. The owner, is someone who takes the Bible, particularly the Old Testament stuff very. very seriously. Sooo, he tells the gay dude to screw off and get his cake elsewhere.
Sooo, what you have here is the very essence of “two adults who are NOT consenting.” Right??? What you and the rest of the Gaystapo is trying to do is force people to consent. Gee, what a Nazi you are!
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
It’s as if the concept of “Two consenting adults” is lost on the adults…
happypappies
Those posters have been taught well how to hate the same people their Leaders hate… The question to them should be: why do they choose hate when Jesus said for us to choose love instead? Do they think that robe he wore to his cross is big enough to wrap themselves in…? Or simply put… Why do they choose to disobey Jesus?
Squeeky
It wasn’t a cake. it was a floral arrangement and this woman was looking for an issue about her “belief” in the “Grace and Love” of Jesus even though she had no problem taking money at least twenty times before.
In my study of this case, it became apparent to me that Wedding Arrangements comprised 3% of her business so her Balkanization of Religion was her choice and no great monetary loss.
Our Forefathers came here to echew Religious Balkanizaton and if they did something that is legal and constitutional and it is against her “Christian” principles – she is not congruent with her own religion.
I am not referring to the Jewish 10 commandments but to the “Love the Lord thy God Almighty First” and then “Love thy neighbor as thyself”
Squeeky here is a link for the lady with the Floral Arrangement
I forgot it
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/02/19/relationship-with-jesus-doesnt-justify-florists-refusal-to-serve-gay-couple-judge-rules/
Max-1
That’s an interesting analogy – hiding the cross under a robe. When one is on a Spiritual journey, the older you get, the more gets filled in for you.
If some old bat says that it’s not in her religion to put together a floral arrangement, you can bet an evil spirit has come home to roost. And she has no idea. I know, people think that all of Jesus’ casting out Demon’s was brou ha ha. lolol Welll, maybe and maybe not. I think she is one desperate soul that sold herself for money and proselyted herself and her “good name” to hurt the gay couple.
How evil can you get. I for one do not believe that God Almighty revealed himself to the Jewish People First and Only. I am sure that God Almighty is hidden and we don’t understand about him. The Jews “Claim” to be his Chosen Frozen. idk. I know Jesus was a Jew. That’s okay with me. That’s all a Paradox anyway with me.
Anyway – I am rambling like an old woman, which I am allowed to do. What they don’t do, People that is, is what Jesus told them TO do.
He told many parables like the one of the Rich Man who had many riches and he told him to give everything to the poor and follow him. Well, he couldn’t do that…. And he told a story to a man to come follow him and he said I have to bury my Father and he said let the dead bury the dead and so on….. Asking complete obedience to the Father.
You see. You don’t have to obey any authority at all but God Almighty and they can’t do that. They want to obey Mammon, Power, Romance, You name it all those things the Commandments they wave at your name – you know?
Where you here when I kept telling about how I wanted to rewrite Genesis and Lot and the Angels that made him let in the Sodomites lololol. and then God Struck those bad Sodomites down. lolol. Well, anyway. When I had my talk with the Holy Spirit that everyone here laughed at me about, I said I could not believe this crap and He said, “Don’t worry about it” “Come unto me.”
So, who are we going to believe. Some old lady waving a Bible and claiming we are trampling on her Constitutional Rights or are own Hearts and Souls.
picture of Gov. Pence signing SEA 101 and link to his website blocked…
Bummer. His company should be in question. This was a private signing. He says it protects religious freedoms, but the only ones pictured with him appear to be ONLY priests, nuns and Franciscan monks. So, does it protect Jews, Muslims, Hindus, etc. because none seem to be present in his attendance.
It appears to favor Christians over others…
George Mason Law School’s position on the “Sodomite Suppression Act” proposal
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/03/26/george-mason-law-schools-position-on-the-sodomite-suppression-act-proposal/
Indiana may lose Disciples of Christ convention over bill allowing businesses to decline service to gay couples
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/03/25/christian-denomination-threatens-to-pull-its-convention-from-indiana-due-to-religious-objection-bill/
https://twitter.com/Benioff/status/581184341180485632
Let the Indiana boycott continue…
Statement on Indiana religious freedom bill
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/statement-indiana-religious-freedom-bill
happypappies
Some people are just gonna use Jesus as their protectorat to hate. Like the robe he wore to the cross provides the protection to duck under… as if it wasn’t gambled away already.
davidm2575
“Somehow they [the Supreme Court] think that the Constitution protects the rights of mothers to kill her unborn children, and also they perceive rights to sexual perversion in private.”
The harm done to unborn children is obvious enough, but where exactly is the harm in the private sexual behavior of consenting adults?
Ken Rogers wrote: “The harm done to unborn children is obvious enough, but where exactly is the harm in the private sexual behavior of consenting adults?”
I’ve argued about the harm caused elsewhere on this blog, but the point here is who determines whether or not harm is caused? The way I read the Constitution, the power to decide this is left to the States and the people. The way SCOTUS has decided, however, is that the States have no right to consider whether or not any harm is caused by it. They say that their power over the States on this issue is right there in the 14th Amendment. I think that is a big stretch. If Congress had any fortitude, they would repeal that 14th Amendment because the Judiciary seems to be able to use it for whatever tyranny it imagines for the federal government. Until the 14th Amendment is repealed, I just don’t see how the States and the people can ever be free to regulate their own lives.
Paul, I don’t have to back anything up.
Proposing a law to kill people for protected behavior (SCOTUS has ruled that “anti-sodomy” laws are unconstitutional) is a blatant attempt at proposing a KNOWN unconstitutional law.
A person that does that SHOULD not be allowed to be a lawyer.
Jude wrote: “A person that does that SHOULD not be allowed to be a lawyer.”
The problem with this logic is that lawyers attempting to propose legislation to change the Constitution would face being disbarred.
You might also consider that SCOTUS has had a nasty habit of inventing rights through the 14th Amendment that are not specifically stated in the Constitution. Somehow they think that the Constitution protects the rights of mothers to kill her unborn children, and also they perceive rights to sexual perversion in private. The Constitution obviously does not specifically protect any of these rights, so their court decisions along these lines are divisive and has brought disrepute upon the Judiciary. The more this continues, the less respect people will have for the high court. Therefore, it is time for brave lawyers to reign in the unconstitutional nature of the modern SCOTUS.
Jude – the history of the Constitution is riddled with cases where people tried to write an unConstitutional law only to have it found Constitutional. How know what the SC will find unConstitutional this week?