A Florida fitness trainer, Elissa Alvarez, 20, and his girlfriend, Jose Caballero, 40, have been found guily in a notorious case where they were filmed having sex on a public beach in front of families with children. There is general agreement that Alvarez and Cabellero were disgusting and shocking in their conduct. There is little debate that they deserved to be arrested for lewd and lascivious exhibition, particularly with a videotape and calls to the police. However in a move that has become all-too-common , the prosecutors are set to punish the couple for not pleading guilty by pushing for an absurdly draconian sentence against Caballero of up to 15 years in jail.
Keep in mind that both Alvarez and Cabellero will have to register as sex offenders — a huge penalty that comes with social stigma and living restrictions. There is no need for a lengthy jail sentence. These two have been widely (and legitimately) called low-life pigs.
The two decided to go to trial despite the videotape and eyewitness testimony. They both insisted that they were not actually having sex. While it was a weak defense case, they have every right to seek a verdict. However, prosecutors now take the view that if they demand for a plea is ignored, they are relieved on any further duty to be reasonable and just in their indictments and sentencing arguments. I have seen this happen over and over again. It is vindictive and retaliatory against those who want to go to trial. I have had prosecutors tell me that “this is how the game is played” — you defy the state on a plea and they throw the book at you. However, the result is clogging our jails with excessive sentences and maintaining a crippling threat against those who simply want to seek a verdict on their charges. Assistant State Attorney Anthony Dafonseca voiced the same lack of any responsibility in seeking the maximum sentencing – blaming the couple the heavy potential sentence for seeking a trial: “We gave them a reasonable offer, what we felt was reasonable, and they decided it wasn’t something they wanted to accept responsibility for.”
Caballero is in the worst position because he served in the past for trafficking cocaine.
Once again, the conduct of these two deserves serious punishment, but 15 years? What do you think?
Mark, We know many of the Gestapo were gay, NTTAWWT.
Squuek, I’m just busting your lady balls. I know you’re not a porn purveyor. NTTAWWT, IMHO.
@PaulCS
I think that was on TCM recently??? I will make it a point to watch it.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
@NickS
It was on accident. I could have swore I linked the one with a fully clothed Nazi German. I mean the movie is barely above PG13, from what I have seen, and darn if I didn’t get the wrong darn one. I don’t mind nudity if it is artistic stuff, but I wouldn’t put a nekkid boob on here on purpose, unless it was art or something.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
@PaulCS
There was another Nazi pleasure train movie called, Train spécial pour SS, also from 1977 according to wiki. Which I find interesting due to the phallic nature of trains, and tunnels, as seen in North by Northwest by Alfred Hitchcock.
Interestingly, A similar thing occurs with boats. For example, Browning’s poem:
and Puccini’s Madame Butterfly
In some versions, they even fire a cannon off as she says the words.
Even a person named Kurt Vonnegut got in on this with his story, The Big Space F— where he used rockets for his imagery. Sooo, maybe this is a little bit of a digression, but it seems to me like transportation has some pretty sexual overtones. I am not sure about bicycles.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Squeeky – The Night Porter is a must see with Dirk Borgarde and Charlotte Rampling.
And then there’s “Salon Kitty,” a movie about a Nazi-friendly bordello. I wasn’t overly impressed with it.
He does not want to be hasty.
Squeeky, You are a pornographer!! JT may delete that torrid video after he’s had a chance to screen it several times.
Mark Kernes always gets a rise out of some commenters here.
@PaulCS
Here is the wiki of it. That should be safe!
Fräulein Devil, also known as Captive Women 4, Elsa: Fraulein SS and Fraulein Kitty, is a 1977 French Nazi documentary film.
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Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Squeeky – I have seen Ilsa, but not this one. Sound pretty bad.
No victim, no crime.
@PaulCS
I am afraid to link it. The last time I tried to do it, it came out looking naughty. Sooo, now I am a little gun shy.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Squeeky, you don’t have to link it, just give me the title. 🙂
markernes
If you read my post carefully you would have understood that the orgy a friend of mine participated in was nothing more than a ‘weird and disgusting’ event. Given the scene of several couples humping away, some of them saggy professors, I think that illustrates the point. The photographer that spent time filming humping and grinding also had similar reactions, weird and disgusting. The sexual act between to consenting people/adults is something that can be erotic and exciting but in context. Like I said, music, lighting, camera work, or as most do it in the privacy and intimacy of their own environs. Objectifying it while filming it and after hours and hours of grinding and moaning must be at the very least weird, if not disgusting. Watching other bump about is a replacement for something, not an original impulse. It may be harmless. It may turn you on. But in the end it is sad.
OOOPS! it wasn’t supposed to come out looking naughty??? That wasn’t the picture it had on youtube. Help Moderators!!!
I am sooo sorry!
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
@PaulCS
Speaking of triggers, and porn, I know that you are a history aficionado. Did you ever see the film about the infamous Nazi pleasure/spy trains that used to wind their way through Europe during WWII??? Because the French did a documentary film about it in 1977, which is now on youtube. I found out about Fraulein Elsa SS when I was doing an article on the alleged death of Osama Bin Laden. Anyway, it wouldn’t hurt to link it on this thread, but beware it is pretty graphic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTAgIlXdut8
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Squeeky – find me the title to the documentary. thanks.
I’m pretty sure that the prudes who wrote the law were wearing shirts.
Why is it always the ones who demand to be nude in public are always the ones who need to be clothed? An inverse relationship. Lol!
I never said anything about dirty. That is your complex, not mine. Continue to watch porn 24/7. Your right and your privilege. Your behavior becomes an issue when it impacts others. The fact that you disagree with a law does not nullify it. It is still in full force and effect. Like it or not. As I said, run for Congress and help to change the laws. A word of advice, you may need to put a shirt on. Too much for you?
bam bam: You wrote “The issue has nothing to do with being a prude.” On the contrary, it has EVERYTHING to do with being a prude. That you don’t recognize that is sad. And the fact that your view is supported by law only shows that prudes wrote the laws.
markkernes – I would just like to take a stand here and say that if we can have same sex unions and same sex marriages we should be able to screw our brains out on the beach.
No one cares about how you FEEEEEEEL. If you want to watch porn 24/7, that is not only your privilege, but your problem, as well. No one gives a rat’s a$$ about your personal sexual proclivities or whether you enjoy watching strangers have sex, on the beach, in broad daylight. The laws don’t morph and change with regard to your personal feeeeelings. The issue has nothing to do with being a prude. Do what you wish in your private life, the operative word being PRIVATE. There are well-established laws which prohibit this activity from occurring in public places. Why do I have to have my children exposed to this? Don’t answer with some asinine retort that I should have to move from this illegal activity. I should not have to escape behavior that is outlawed. If you want to change the laws, go run for Congress on the I DEMAND THE RIGHT TO HAVE SEX, ON A PUBLIC BEACH, IN BROAD DAYLIGHT platform. In the meantime, there are guidelines with regard to the range of punishment for this behavior, and the judge and prosecutor have broad discretion in handling this situation. In the meantime, keep your pants zipped on the beach.
The filming of this behavior is the best evidence against the morons, who couldn’t contain themselves long enough to find some privacy. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously untrustworthy, so a video record of this is not creepy, as some of you have implied.
Well, we have come a long way from this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVUwra22e-Q
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter