There is another controversy over the veracity of representations of minority status in Washington. We previously discussed the controversy raised by the allegedly false claims of Senator Elizabeth Warren that she is a Native American. In this case, however, the accused is the head of a NAACP chapter and she is being accused of lying by her own mother. Worse yet, some have suggested that Rachel Dolezal, who is the head of the NAACP’s chapter in Spokane, planted hate mail at her office.
Dolezal has described her ethnicity as white, black, and American Indian in past papers and applications. However, her mother, Ruthanne, said that she is Czech, Swedish, and German, along with some “faint traces” of Native American heritage.
That has led to angry responses from different groups that she represented herself as a minority when she was selected for different positions. Dolezal has called the controversy a “multi-layered issue” and insisted “That question is not as easy as it seems. There’s a lot of complexities … and I don’t know that everyone would understand that.” She then added “We’re all from the African continent.” Many have interpreted that statement as a claim that, since mankind itself has been traced to Africa, everyone is an African to some degree. The definition is not sufficient for various groups. It raises, as did the Warren controversy, the basis for claiming minority status — a status that can give an edge in applications or hirings.
In addition, critics have raised suspicious racially motivated incidents reported by Dolezal while she was in Coeur d’Alene, including the discovery of a swastika on the Human Rights Education Institute’s door. Likewise, Spokane police records for February and March of this year showed that a hate mail package Dolezal reported receiving at the NAACP’s post office box did not bear a date stamp or barcode. Dolezal denies responsibility for those incidents.
The question is how to handle such cases in not only definition how to prove or what constitutes minority status or how to respond to allegedly false claims. If one receives payment for holding a position secured by assurance of minority status, can it be an actionable from of fraud or misrepresentation for the purposes of criminal or civil liability?
Source: Spokesman
CK07 – Please read “One Nation” by Dr Ben Carson, an African American who rose from such circumstances, for some conservative solutions.
You didn’t post the starkes interview in response to me. You posted that to Karen s and gave me some bs about a song from chapter Jackson. That’s who I called misled.
Meanwhile I see no solutions in what you’ve posted or a response to the issues of blacks not making up the majority of welfare recipients.
Your solution to blacks is to keep repealing civil rights, look at black children as inferior and feral, and tell the worst off among them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps without any effort to get guns off the street. Most blacks aren’t on welfare, most aren’t getting food stamps and there’s still a fair number of whites getting both. Mitt Romneys family was on welfare when they got back from Mexico.
The problems in the black community aren’t due to the safety nets afforded. You give cheap arguments of foreigners coming here and doing well while ignoring that many foreigners coming here are the cream of the crop in their homeland. Why don’t you check the stats of Vietnamese Americans, native Americans, or some of the refugees who flee here. Conservatives will pay good money to have so called black experts drum up fears of welfare queens abusing the system and convincing the ignorant masses that most of their tax money is going to support some lazy ghetto rat who needs you to work hard so she can steal the money the govt intended for her 8 children out of wedlock.
That’s not the type of welfare that makes up the bulk of welfare spending and most of that type isn’t going to black people much less people like that. But of course you don’t know any black people besides the conservatives who make you feel less good about yourself and your views, and the true homeless desperados who’ve multiplied since the recession collapse that all pre obama estimates showed would become a depression.
If half the blacks you see are the ones stuck in the street of course you’ll assume half are feral animals because you’re seeing those in the worst position as opposed to the many affluent and hard working in allowable fields.
Why don’t we focus on the conservative solution or lack thereof since blacks in areas of acceptable discrimination like Louisiana are doing so much better on average than around the country?
@CK07
If you had bothered to watch the interview with Taleeb Starkes above, you would know how the “misled” Starkes framed the problem. I know it is difficult for you to think new thoughts about this stuff, but Starkes says, one problem with low class feral blacks is that they are the face of black people. He points out that white people laugh at their subcultures, whereas blacks and liberal whites make excuses for the black subculture.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzqFhXLuyTU
I think you would have an easier time if you considered the possibility that it is you and white liberals who have been misled, and the possibility that the black folks above are onto something that escapes all of you guys. I can only lead you to water. I can’t make you drink.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Squeeky,
I see you’ve found another misled minority to use to convince your cohorts that most blacks are savages abusing the welfare and food stamp system.
However most recipients are white:
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6771938
Even by percentage within a race most would be Native American, but since folks like the girl in the article’s parents are more willing to accept being part NA (perhaps to give them claim to the land) than part black, I don’t really hear anyone condemning their community about a lack of jobs or how the trail of tears was hundreds of years ago so get over it, the way they do blacks. Saying slavery was 200 years ago so get over it, while ignoring the rampant discrimination that continued until within the lifetime of every conservative on the Supreme Court and half the liberals. If it fit your conservative narrative perhaps you’d be in favor of truth and reconciliation as is being done with the Inuits in Canada. However in reading your misquotes of the way you beleive half of them speak you’d probably think it’s a waste of time since you think they wont be able to communicate.
You blame liberals for deaths in the black community yet conservatives gleefully demonize justifying discrimination in the workforce while wanting to gut any programs that provide aid and oversight to the inner city. Hell Rick perry wants department of education, commerce, and energy. Your national policies such as the war on drugs splitting the focus of the justice system away from violent crime to non violent criminals to the point that we’re turning the latter into the former and locking the latter up in much higher numbers would logically have contributed to that situation. The mayor doesn’t control everything. The Supreme Court interprets the constitution. And since the only national constant we’ve had in our system of checks and balances for the past quarter of a century has been a conservative one, it’s no wonder that the gains in the black community brought during civil rights by a liberal court system have rolled back.
What is the conservative solution to the plight in such communities? Strip them of the same aid that you afford whites on welfare and it will work itself out? Liberals cannot easily fix everything wrong in a segregated city where the wealthy north can turn a blind eye to the poverty stricken south because the minorities aren’t living among them. And it wasn’t people who thought progressively who created those segregated conditions and perpetuated it through housing discrimination. Call my arguments excuses all you want but don’t then chastise this woman for actually doing something to act on behalf of the community in question while all you can do is degrade them as subhumans.
The white privilege you deny exists is the same one that allows you to go through life getting the benefit of the doubt as an intelligent and contributing member of society as opposed to a drooling feral as you called them, a thug, an illegal as you may think of others or worse. This woman identified with a group she has every right to, and acted on their behalf. She gave up her white privilege which you happily accept while denying it exists. Up until the 21st century your fellow conservatives were acting on behalf of Bob Jones University with its ban on interacial dating and right to federal subsidies. If you don’t beleive in white privilege then go all gentlemen’s agreement and do what you can to put yourself in their shoes for a month. You’re a reporter so it could be a worthwhile study depending on where you try it.
Otherwise I’m done here, though I would love to hear the results of such a study.
Paul,
The mlk comment was in response to the poster above me, Douglass Frederick. My mistake for not citing him at the time, it was just the most recent comment on my mind as I quickly try to post from cell before he page reloads (apologies for the resulting typos). Your comments on chicago being a democratic city don’t change the fact that it’s a segregated city in which the south side is poverty stricken. Liberal policies such as a ban on guns can take little effect when the streets are already flooded with them, and it neighbors Indiana which has no such restrictions. When most are thinking survival or living a fast life because they are probably going to die or get locked up, I’m surprised education can be emphasized at all.
First focus on fixing the crime rate. Target violent offenders, install readily available audio tech to pinpoint gunfire; and get the guns off the street. Stop targeting easy prey and going after low level drug dealers unless they become violent. Non violent offenders should not be sentenced to longer sentences than violent ones. They shouldn’t be thrown into prisons with violent offenders where they become violent and crazy themselves to protect themselves and leave violent.
Second focus on jobs and education on the south side. And I don’t mean spending millions on some company to give seminars and provide jobs for 12 like we do in Central America, I mean put the money direct to the needed jobs, and employ more teachers so that we can reduce class sizes. To do well people need to beleive they can succeed and survive to witness that success. In the long term you spend less money on said community when it becomes self sustaining. Some of it may be as simple as community redesign as they did in New York. Establishing small parks between high rise apartments where violent individuals would congregate. You can claim such policies are foolish but that same sort of logic worked darn well to curb violence in New York. You shoot a gun in Manhattan and you might not make it out of rikers.
@CK07
I read your comments, and the link. Some of that stuff at the link is true, but a whole lot was left out. Let’s see, school breakfasts, lunches, Section 8 stuff, crazy checks, etc. etc. And as far as the stuff you said about the Oklahoma white kids, that was covered by Tommy Sotomayor in the Victimhood Pt. 1 video above. He asked “So what???” Did the white boys do anything beside make slurs inside their own bus??? And like he said, black people say worse stuff than that to themselves all the time. Is that an excuse for some feral black kid say. . . to not do his homework, or his assignments in school and come out dumb as a bag of hammers. Or to shoot some other black kid, or break into a black residence and steal stuff???
I have asked before, why do homes and businesses in poor black neighborhoods have so many security bars??? Is it to keep out the KKK, or white frat boys??? No. It’s to keep out the black Democrats. And you as a liberal type person deserve some of the blame for enabling the crap and making excuses for thugs. Your statements just sound like pitiful excuses. Which, if you watch some of the videos above, some more conservative black people are trying to tell you just that. But you refuse to listen.
Let’s try again. Here is a series of interviews between 2 conservative type black women who grew up in the kind of homes that you seem to think are a racist myth. Chapter Jackson did the raunchy “It’s Free – Swipe Yo EBT” video, which is really a recap of her actual home life. if you really give a hoot about blacks, please try to learn something new. Your philosophy is killing people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLb67y-yxRo
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
I purposely avoided this thread today. We were dealing w/ actual toxicity on Darren’s tobacco post and I didn’t want to deal w/ the virtual toxicity infecting this thread. But I am pleased to see some very substantive and thoughtful comments. Once the trolls leave, good discussions ensue.
Nick – there has always been an allowance for the children of farm and ranch owners to work on the property. God knows what changes progresses are going to make now. They are closing down lemonade stands.
Much of what I ‘ve said has already been said by astute commentators who were quicker on the draw. But just to add my official Real Black Person (TM) Seal of Authenticity:
The blackstablishment has become a mirror image of the racism it was ostensibly formed to resist. (Wouldn’t be the first time in human history.)
Why does the blackstablishment employ the racists’ own “One Drop” definition?
To beef up the numbers for political reasons, obviously — but what a crashing irony.
When is the blackstablishment (which waves around MLK like a magical talisman, erects statues of him, and does everything but parade down the streets carrying an idol of him like the Catholics over in Europe carry around a Virgin Mary idol in the Easter parade) ever going to begin even trying to honor his credo of judging by the content of character, not the color of skin?
I’ve heard all the excuses for why we supposedly can’t do that yet. The excuses are lame.
Either you want to live that vision (I prefer that word to “dream,” which can sound airy-fairy, ephemeral, frivolous), or you don’t.
Just like we now have Civil War re-enactors reliving what they believe to be the glory of the war of 1861-65, we also now have an awful lot of Civil Rights re-enactors who are caught up in rehearsing the war stories of 1965, and re-enacting its battles.
The blackstablishment is so stuck in the old battles where it seemed good and evil were – pardon the pun – black and white. The constant tendency is to ignore the protean, shape-shifting, pervasive nature of human sin. We want to heap it all on the backs of some particular group. We ignore the fact that sin has tainted all. (I realize many today do not believe in sin; all I can say is, take a look around you.) We ignore that the enemies of human liberty and happiness are general and pervasive, not particular to any race or religion.
In the Civil War, they fought old-school: they literally lined up in fields and shot each other. Nowadays, that isn’t how war is conducted.
The enemy isn’t clearly marked, facing you across a battlefield. we seldom see clear battle lines, like the line of police that blocked Highway 80 to stop the march from Selma to Montgomery.
A lot changes in fifty years. Today, in a vastly changed world of 2015, what if it turns out the nature of the fight changed?
What if it’s a lot more subtle and a lot less camera-friendly?
What if it turned out the lines were not black and white any more?
What if it turns out the enemy is now fully integrated?
What if turned out that racism is the old fight, and something else — call it powerism — is the new fight?
Or, what if powerism was always the real enemy, one which sometimes comes under the cloak of racism, but more often, appears in other guises — maybe even in the guise of black (/female/latino/LGBT/etc) faces in high places?
Squeeky, becUse I am still away from home it will be a pain for me to try to quote you on this cell. Your comments on MLK seem to suggest he was anti-affirmative action, which he was not, and that affirmative action isn’t needed, which it is.
The only thing blacks have a real advantage over you is in getting profiled, demonized and sent to prison. Males particularly. We as Americans have a desire to diversify our schools and that includes public universities, private universities, and hbcu’s. But getting accepted into college as the first of your family does not guarantee success there. Particularly when you will not have a social network of students willing to help you along as they help eachother. Fraternities chanting they would rather hang a black from a tree than accept him as a brother aren’t the only unwelcoming groups. It’s the ones who buy into your stereotypes that they’re only there because of affirmative action. Then after college when it comes to finding jobs and moving up in said organizations they face rampant discrimination.
So and so doesn’t fit the image of our firm. Then they’re denied lesser positions for being overqualified. Banks will charge them loans at higher interest rates when they seek to start their own businesses. And that all contributed to higher rates of unemployment. You want blacks to be accountable when you take no accountability for the harm done to their community by institutionalized racism caused by stereotypical views such as yours and Karen’s ( who seems to think all or most of that welfare is dedicated to saving black people, as opposed to what its listed for [everything from Native American education to veterans benefits]).
And I can’t blame you for holding such views because you’re a victim of the propaganda touted by the conservative machine. Looking for an issue to get you all to rally around such as hatred of minorities and viewing dems as the party of handouts while you all get screwed by the GOP in favor of their oligarchical patrons.
I’ll post one link for both of you as food for thought and leave it at that. The plight of the black community is improving in spite of conservative efforts to the contrary. The war on drugs, gerrymandering, hiring and police discrimination in the community are the elephant in the room you choose to ignore in favor of your nonsensical arguments about welfare making them all lazy. You won’t say the same about native Americans who are dependent on a higher number of food stamps because it’s harder to demonize the original owners of the land we now occupy, most of whom were killed off as Jackson drove the rest to the reservations. But blacks have been demonized since the inquisition. Some of your varguments aren’t too different from the slave owners who claimed they were too ignorant and lazy to govern themselves but needs a slave masters hand to guide them. Then went and formed the KKK which burned black Wall Street to the ground when the best and brightest quickly became millionaires, and spent the better part of 50 years setting up roadblocks and demeaning them or beating, burning, lynching, sicing dogs on, firehosing, throwing bricks at the head of or bombing the churches of etc.
The woman in question in this article does not sound like the type that would fit in with your crowd. She sounds closer to the abolitionists, the progressives, the n-lovers as they were called, like the people responsible for this article: http://www.forwardprogressives.com/6-myths-welfare-recipients-debunked/
CK07 – I must have missed a comment or read one too fast because I missed the MLK thingie. However, I don’t remember whites burning down Watts or Detroit. I do remember whites and blacks rioting after national championships (which I think is dumb and puts them all in the drooling feral category).
Do you know what the graduation rate for the city of Chicago was this year? 63% That is up from last year when it was 61%. To get that rate, those that don’t pass the final exam are allowed to take a ONE question final exam. Half could not pass that. That is a Democratically controlled, progressive city. 100% They stuffed the ballot boxes there to get Kennedy elected.
Want to know where the highest graduation rate in the country was? Iowa. 90%. A fly-over state.
Squeeky – thanks for the link. I’ll check it out tomorrow when I’m at the library using their Wifi. My satellite internet can’t handle videos at home, so I go out and use wifi to see what it’s like to live in the 21st century. I’m lucky to have any internet at all in a rural area, but that doesn’t stop me from complaining when I can’t watch all these cool video links!
@KarenS
Tommy Sotomayor puts out some great videos, too. He is very confrontational and gets a lot of death threats. But, he also gets a lot of attention. Here is Part 1 of his black victimhood video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g67npsA8Se0
I put this kind of stuff on sometimes when I am sweeping up, or cleaning the kitty litter, or surfing the net. Even when I am practicing guitar.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Squeeky:
“FWIW, I use the term to refer to the subculture, not all blacks. The phrase, minus the word “drooling”, comes from page 7 of Taleeb Starkes’ book. It is how he defines the “N” word – – -a feral black person with sociopathic tendencies.””
I understood that you were not referring to all blacks. My point is that the phrase requires you to waste time explaining that. You’re going to waste the time anyway for Liberals who just don’t want to talk about policy failure, but there are also those who misunderstand where you’re coming from, and would otherwise be more open.
Thanks for the reference to Starkes’ book. I did not realize that was the source of the phrase. I suppose that reinforces the truism that a black author can get away with terminology that a white never could! I’m looking forward to reading him.
And I agree that it is hypocritical for Liberals to call any black conservative racist slurs like “Uncle Tom” or “Step ‘n Fetchit” and get away with it. And it’s true that the Internet increase access to different opinions.
@KarenS
FWIW, I use the term to refer to the subculture, not all blacks. The phrase, minus the word “drooling”, comes from page 7 of Taleeb Starkes’ book. It is how he defines the “N” word – – -a feral black person with sociopathic tendencies.”
I realize that my phraseology is going to promote a fierce response from the white liberal types who are heavily and personally invested in the whole “blacks as victims of racism” crap. I would rather just come out swinging and whomp them right up side the head than pussyfoot around with a bunch of mealy mouth pablum.
Yes, there is racism, but that isn’t why little Tyrone, aka T-Pack, is a thug. Or why sooo many of his little friends are feral. Fortunately, the Internet has opened up a frontier where black conservatives and black realists can reach the public with their message. What is both sad and hilarious is watching the white liberals jump on them for, in effect, being uppity Negroes who dare to have an opinion differing from White Massa. Talk about irony!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvdZmtNrkdI
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
I like how I accidentally used cache, which means a hoard or supplies, instead of cachet, which means approval.
And I need to learn how to condense!
I meant to say that serving time has “cachet” not “cache.”
Karen – doesn’t serving time give you ‘street cred’ rather than ‘cache’?
“Karen – doesn’t serving time give you ‘street cred’ rather than ‘cache’?”
Depends. Are you talking penitentiary time or club fed with a salad bar?
I am likely going to have difficulty articulating my response, so just assume that I’m going to step in it.
I am not going to list all links because of the Word Press restrictions, but will provide enough information to find the information independently.
There is no denying that the social structure of poor African Americans is crumbling. We have all the data. We have spent trillions of dollars since the 60’s, and the most recent CRS Report shows Welfare spending is the largest item on the federal budget. The report identified 83 overlapping federal welfare programs that combined spend more than Social Security, Mediare, or National Defense. It concluded that we spent $1.03 trillion in 2011 ALONE. (http://www.budget.senate.gov/republican/public/index.cfm/files/serve/?File_id=34919307-6286-47ab-b114-2fd5bcedfeb5) Pew Research has discovered that there is a persistent employment gap of 2:1 of blacks compared to whites. Blacks more “strongly attached” to the labor force, identified as unemployed, are the first to be hired, while blacks who are defined as “non participants” because they have not worked in a long time are the last.
So we have really committed our dollars to fighting poverty for minorities. Over 72% of black children are born to single mothers with absentee fathers over 70%. (Native Americans, another group with which we have intervened heavily, has a rate of 53%.) Sara McLanahan of Princeton and Christopher Jenks of Harvard have a great chart showing that this rate is 3-fold what it was in the 1960’s. Intergenerational poverty is still rampant. According to the 2013 FBI Uniform Crime Report, 90% of black victims were murdered by blacks. The average black person is 6.5 times more likely to be murdered than a white person, and his killer has a 90% chance of being black. If it’s self destructive, blacks have a higher rate than any other ethnicity – dropout rate, drug use, teenage pregnancy, unwed mothers, incarceration, and murder.
These are the statistics. Then there are the behavioral trends. The expectation based on consistency over the past few years, is that the mere allegation of police misconduct towards a black person, racism allegations, or white-on-black crime is sufficient to trigger massive protests, which turn into riots, where young black men burn down their own neighborhoods and destroy the businesses of successful black men. The reasonable people protesting and airing their concerns seem helpless to control the cliche angry black youth intent on burning down the neighborhood because they like to watch it burn. They work counter to any good that the peaceful protestors try to enact, and they appear to be egged on by activists who release snap judgments without a shred of evidence or investigation. There is this Pavlovian response – make an allegation, Al Sharpton et al grab a mic, and cue riot where they target the successful in their own neighborhood, killing jobs, all while bemoaning that there are no jobs. It’s mindless self destruction, and it greatly underlines the fact that the greatest threat, literally, to the average black person is another black person.
So we have established that if something is harmful, the black community suffers a higher rate of it, and that there is a well documented black sub-culture that is a clear and present danger to the rest of the black community, prone to violence, and its members are also self-destructive and irresponsible.
I must also point out that the trend towards self destructive behavior is increasing across most ethnic groups. Far and away, the increase is far greater in the African American community. But single motherhood, with all its relevant risk factors for the offspring, is on the rise everywhere, as evidenced by that Princeton chart referenced above. Our culture as a whole is decaying, with Reality TV racing for the bottom in glorifying selfishness, hedonism, irresponsibility, and basically train wrecks. They even have a “Dating Naked” show now. And the survivor type genre now has “Naked and Afraid.” “Jersey Shore.” “Teen Mom.” When police beat white Kelly Thomas to death while he cried and begged for his Daddy, and those officers were acquitted, there were aggressive demonstrators among the peaceful protestors, and 13 people were arrested. It was more mild than Ferguson, Baltimore, or Watts, as no businesses burned, but there was some vandalism.
In addition to general statistical evidence of our cultural decay, many groups have their destructive sub-culture: Soccer “hooligans” are internationally infamous for becoming violent after a game, even in China. Countries that host the World Cup always have to prepare for the wave of “hooligans.” Some Italian youths try to emulate the Mob glory days. There are the Latino gangs. The entitled rich kids who just can’t seem to do enough drugs or wreck enough cars because they are just so bored. The black community has its own self destructive sub-culture, but the difference is that this group is a serious threat to the safety and welfare of the rest of the people living around them. Criminals are glorified and having served time is cache. This group kills other black youth, sells drugs to black kids, coopts kids into becoming drug runners, pressures them to join gangs, and is seriously over-representing their ethnic group in prison.
So we have established that we spend more on Welfare programs than literally anything else, and yet have produced a negative result. Our culture in general is decaying, African Americans have suffered a far higher rate of decay and self destructive behaviors than any other group, and that there is a subculture of the poor black community that is both self destructive, and a real threat to others in that community. They are what makes the neighborhood unsafe for everyone else, regardless of “why” they behave that way. There is currently passionate debate about unequal sentencing of blacks, but the guilt of those convicted is generally accepted. In other words, most people are not saying that every black person in jail was framed.
But let’s get to the source of this sub-culture. Discussion of causes and solutions is a very touchy subject, because you are talking about a problem in the black community specifically. Criticize the black community and you’ll likely be dismissed as racist if you’re white, or an Uncle Tom if you’re black. But the response is typically forceful pushback rather than thoughtful discussion on real solutions, finding their own power, and difficult change.
There are several books that I’ve enjoyed that deal with these themes from different sides, for which I greatly over simplify their contributions:
– Pearl Cleague – “I Wish I had a Red Dress” – explores the theme of black women setting very low standards for themselves and their men, and acting contrary to their own success
– Jason Riley – “Please Stop Helping Us” – how Liberal policies, while well-meaning, actually harm the population they intended to benefit. (This is a common theme for me. I highly recommend people read this book to make their attempts to help more efficient rather than just making them “feel good.”)
– Dambisa Moyo – “Dead Aid” – an economist from Zambia – deconstructs the harmful end result of Western aid, Africa’s heavy debt repayment even with massive debt forgiveness, and emphasis on dependency rather than culturing self reliance.
– Ben Carson – “One Nation” – Dr Carson had a watershed moment where he realized he was on a path to jail. He conquered his anger issues, and became a very successful surgeon. This book is a positive affirmation of the power of our own choices, and identifying what holds us back.
I thank Squeaky for the recommendation of Colin Flaherty’s “Don’t Make the Black Kids Angry,” and Taleeb Starkes “Un-Civil Wars,” and will check them out.
Part of effective communication on controversial issues is concise argument, which clearly I have not learned. The other part is reaching and resonating with your audience in a thought provoking way that lasts long after the conversation ends. In my opinion, the claim that “thug” is racist is PC nonsense. It’s merely the definition of a violent criminal. The phrase “drooling feral blacks” references valid concerns about the destructive black subculture I touched on above; it derives from the Feral character in Mad Max 2; it reflects the same frustration expressed by black authors, pastors, and other commentators. But upon reading that phrase, it is difficult to discern if it is being applied to blacks as a whole or to this sub-culture. It alienates some of the audience who otherwise would be receptive to discussing this controversial topic. It falls right into the hands of those who do not want to discuss the failure of social programs, the destruction of the black family, or the decay of black culture. They can effectively declare it racist in general, and shut down the discussion. The majority of the conversation is spend explaining that the author is not referring to the entire community, but this frustrating sub-set, instead of the more important topic.
White people can claim they should be able to use the “N” word since black people do, but the reality is that they cannot. And a black author could probably get away with “drooling female blacks”, but a non-white cannot. It would be more effective to analyze the destructive sub-culture without alienating those who would be otherwise open minded to identifying causes and possible solutions. It can be difficult to come up with a concise phrase that specifically refers to this subculture, which has unique aspects compared to other ethnic or demographic subcultures, but it is best to find one that clearly is not racist and refers to this specific group.
So the suitability of the phase depends on if the goal is to generate awareness of a difficult subject, or just enjoy the fireworks.
I find Squeeky to use irreverent sarcasm, humor, and biting observations much like a comedian or political cartoonist uses current events for social commentary. I do not always agree with her, but often find her thought provoking, and of course enjoy her Irish poems. This is one of those times where I agree with her message that there is a problem with poor black subculture and its causes, but I disagree with her delivery.
It made me uncomfortable too, and I despise PC. Hopefully this will be an invitation for more speech on these complex issues.
If it is OK for Senator Elizabeth Warren and Rachel Dolezal to benefit in education and employment by lying about their minority status, then it should be Ok for every White person to claim minority status, be it African American or Native American, and reap all the the benefits. Self definition is the new and acceptable thing.
@BFM
There you go again! Here is what you said:
“I did check the references. On was to a self published, racist rabble rouser. ”
That is Colin Flaherty. He is the guy that Tommy Sotomayor is interviewing above. Once again, you have resorted to base name calling about a person whom you know nothing about. You have trusted the word of others who do not like what he says, and call him names. You get your opinions second-hand, and then you stereotype people. It is like people like you are in some sort of cult, and the cult leaders tell you what sources are OK, and what sources are “discredited”, and like little lost sheep, you go :baa baa and follow along. Then you add to the second hand name calling and pass it on to become third hand name calling.
Why don’t you grow a set of testicles, and check out sources for yourself. Quit listening to what other people tell you to think, and think for yourself. Present an informed opinion, instead of just toeing the party line. His book is online, and is cheap on kindle, like $6 or so. You even have free options, He has a channel on youtube. I even put an interview with him and Tommy Sotomayor above. Put it on in the background while you are doing dishes, or tying flies, or cleaning your gun.
Did you know this about him:
Due to Flaherty;s work, Kelvin’s conviction was overturned. Don’t take my word, Google the name and figure it out for yourself. Wiki says,
Colin Flaherty was a contributor from 1990 to 1994. His story on the unjust conviction of Kelvin Wiley[32] resulted in Wiley’s release from Soledad prison, and was featured on Court TV.[33] He was named top political reporter by the San Diego Press Club.[34]
You have exhibited some signs of intelligence here on occasion, and I really hope you will check out these things instead of just being one of the liberal sheeple.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
@CK07
If you want to quote somebody, you have to use the html stuff, which is This “” surrounding the word “blockquote” at the beginning of the quote and “/blockquote” at the end of what is quoted. You can use “i” and “/i” and “b” and “/b” the same way inside those signs to italicize and bold stuff.
Now, as to what you said, I think you are enabling bad black behavior by your refusal to call feral behavior what it is. In effect, you are saying to drooling feral blacks,
“Oh, did widdle hims just woot a wikker store??? Did hims just go get hims some fwee tennie shoes??? Oh let me see them! Oh they will look sooo pretty on hims widdle feetsies! Oh I guess hims must be sooo fwustwated! Them mean old white folks made hims do this, and I know that hims is a good little boy on the inside. Now lets stop your cwying and dwy hims widdle eyes, and don’t you listen anymore to those mean old white folks and even black folks who calls hims bad names, like thug, and n—–g, and feral, and cwiminals. There. There.”
The really sick part is, you aren’t doing this for him. You are doing it for yourself, to make yourself feel good. Plus you keep yourself from having to admit your part and the part of liberals in general, in helping these inner cities become hellholes.
If you are truly interested in understanding what you are enabling, put this on in the background while you are surfing the net or whatever, and listen to it. It’s a really good interview: It starts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtE5D6kN7NM
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
fe·ral
ˈferəl,ˈfirəl/
adjective
(especially of an animal) in a wild state, especially after escape from captivity or domestication.
“a feral cat”
synonyms: wild, untamed, untamable, undomesticated, untrained
“feral dogs”
antonyms: tame, pet
resembling a wild animal.
“a feral snarl”
synonyms: fierce, ferocious, vicious, savage, predatory, menacing, bloodthirsty
“a feral snarl”
Origin
early 17th century: from Latin fera ‘wild animal’ (from ferus ‘wild’) + -al.
There is no reason it cannot refer to humans.
First, let me plead with everyone to please not spoil Professor Turley’s vacation by making him pop in and send everyone on a time out? Let’s not take advantage of his absence or make it difficult for any “substitute teachers” monitoring the class.
Second, I do have something to say about what’s been said, but it’s long and I have painters coming this morning. I’ll post it in a couple of hours.
In the meantime, please, guys, please don’t make Professor Turley have to take time out of his vacation to referee.