We finally have a face to go with the name of a murderer who would abandon her own baby and slaughter people, including some who had thrown her baby shower. It now appears that San Bernardino shooter Tashfeen Malik pledged allegiance to ISIS and left her baby in pursuit of paradise in return for her massacre of her husband’s co-workers. Malik and her husband, Syed Rizwan Farook, not only left their baby and family to face the aftermath of their despicable crime but killed people who had supported them both at and outside of work.
As we noted earlier today, it appear that Malik may have played a critical role in radicalizing her husband. She was born in Pakistan but moved to Saudi Arabia 25 years ago at the age of four. She traveled back and forth between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia — two hotbeds of Islamic extremism. She went to college in Pakistan at Bahuddin Zakri University in Multan where she was known as a top student.
What is clear is that she and her husband Farook embraced extreme Islamic views and turned their house into an IED workshop. Malik came to the U.S. on what a “fiancé” visa, which allows an American fiancé to petition for his or her partner’s temporary entry before marriage. She then joined her husband later in a bloodbath at his workplace. There appears to be few pictures of Malik. What is clear is that her daughter will eventually be told of how her parents chose their pursuit of paradise over her well-being.
The question now is what to do with the child. Police say that the apartment was full of weapons and pipe bombs while his mother lived there with their baby. It is hard to conclude that the grandmother is an appropriate custodian until we can determine her level of knowledge not only of the specific attack but the general planning for violent jihad.
What do you think?
I have also said many prayers for that innocent baby. Some just want their pound of flesh and care nothing about that baby.
You still are clueless about what “gut check” means.
Nick, as usual, is trying to backpedal from some of his previously espoused ridiculous bs by now claiming that he was misunderstood. Poor, poor misunderstood Nick. There was no misunderstanding. His previous grandiose comments consisted of farfetched and delusional claims that he is somehow magically capable of determining the veracity of another’s statements given during a very scripted and rehearsed television interview. Nick @11:04 am–AND, THIS SISTER GAVE ME A GOOD FEELING. Nick can call it anger or anything else; I call it reading comprehension. No facts and no information about this woman–just his Karnak turban, along with his mysterious capacity to determine who is telling the truth. Why, you ask, did the sister give Nick a good feeling? Because she managed to ask the reporter what kind of person would leave a baby behind. Yes. That simple statement redeems her and releases her from any possible connection to these crimes. Calling him on his ridiculous and bizarre comments results in comments about anger and hate. I guess in Nick’s confused and fuzzy mind, wanting to have all the facts about this entire family’s involvement in the massacre is unnecessary. The FBI should just employ him to discern the truth. Facts are irrelevant. His gut knows all.
I heard a terrorism guy who has written a book on ISIS. They have the radicalization process down so well that they are turning people into suicide killers in months and even weeks. Our feckless President has let the “jayvee” kick our asses using social media.
Karen, You are a reasoned woman. I think I have upset a hate fest w/ some folks here. I just got back from dinner w/ a retired homicide detective and his wife. We both, as well as my wife, know the FBI well. We have FBI[current and former] friends. I want to talk w/ them, but here’s a theory we came up w/. Firstly, this detective is as conservative as they come. We all agreed, and discussed cases, of CLUELESS family members who knew NOTHING about what was going on w/ family members committing crimes. Anyone in the biz understands that happens all the time. But, we have a lynch mob here. What is really fascinating is I am SIMPLY saying the sibling[s] should be considered. The primary thought in my mind is a 6 month old baby. I not only know investigations, I also know the protective services end of this. Foster homes are a real crap shoot. But, some folks here are looking for a good tree to tie the rope. C’est la vie. What is mind boggling is I am ALL FOR PROFILING. I hate PC. I am angered a suspicious neighbor didn’t call police when he saw activity he thought hinky because he didn’t want to racially profile. I guess my sin is I just can’t put aside over 3 decades of investigating knowledge and hang this family right NOW!
My dinner companion had been curious about the FBI action as well. He has a plausible explanation for what the agent in charge did. As we’ve seen, there is a real disconnect between the FBI, and the WH/AG. The FBI have said terrorism from day 1. The politicians are wringing their hands and worrying about backlash. My buddy thinks the FBI let the scene be open because they want the press to see some of the stuff that was taken and show the people of this country that these two were terrorists, w/o a doubt. I’m not so sure since the landlord let the press in, not the FBI. But, this agent in charge obviously is not a politician and is clear minded that this is terrorism. The FBI got everything they need. I would bet on that.
Tom “when asked about the performance of the family’s attorneys in the press conference.” There’s that word again.
Paul “I am sooooooo confused. They stayed with the mother, they dropped the baby off with the mother. Which is it?” Yes. hmmmm very confusing, isn’t it?
Tin Ear: An apt moniker? “Timothy McVeigh was a decorated Army veteran, and Lee H. Oswald was a decorated Marine Corps vet.” You accept the official narrative on the McVeigh and Oswald events? Well, I see bam bam agrees with you at least.
Barkindog “It is time that Americans opt out of the dumb religion thing. God? Yeah right. Jesus? Mohammed? BS all the way.” The only thing BS is the interpretations of their teachings.
Nick “Tom, She was breast feeding the baby. It takes some real hatred for Americans to leave a baby you’re breast feeding and go on a death mission.” Yes indeed. Kind of unbelievable, right?
Hello!!! Wake up people! C’mon now it’s not that hard! Watch the body language; it’s all there.
Tom Nash “Nick….I just saw part if the family’s attorneys performance.” Performance you say? Interesting choice of words.
Nick – Although I have obvious concerns about the family, I do agree with you that they need a thorough investigation. They need to find out what they knew and when, (which will be difficult) and investigate all their ties. It’s possible that he got more extreme in his views, without his family realizing he was headed towards violence. I don’t know. What made me most uncomfortable with them was the lawyer they chose. You are right that he certainly didn’t help their cause.
What really frustrates me is that the radio was saying that their residence has been completely open to the media. CNN held up the grandmother’s drivers license to their camera. Don’t they usually spend far more time going over everything with a fine toothed comb? Any evidence left behind has now been contaminated.
I think that we are in the same “see something, say something” of England during the IRA era. Unattended bags were pointed out by school children and grandmothers within minutes of being left behind.
My issue with the pedophilia scandals in schools and churches have also revolved around what people knew, and when, and why didn’t people always report suspicions of inappropriate behavior or crimes. I think that the Muslim community also needs to say something if one of its members appears to radicalize. Quite often, home grown radicals are so open about their extremist views. I recall the Tsarnaev older brother alienated friends as he became more extreme.
Which is not actually illegal. You can think the most ridiculous things you want, and you’re entitled. I want there to be a concerted effort to identify individuals that are becoming radicalized, so they can be watched before they hurt anyone. But I also acknowledge the Big Brother aspect of this. As well, the FBI appears to be woefully understaffed and underfunded. I only recently watched an interview in which it was disclosed that the FBI only has the manpower to watch 24/7 about 70 people. That’s not enough.
I think that in the very near future, we will have to find the tough balance between Big Brother spying and the law.
Nick:
“Karen, The first choice for protective services is always the family. And, this sister gave me a good feeling. She pointed out to the reporter, “What kind of mother leaves a 6 month old breast fed baby?””
I hope you’re right. Literally the only thing I know about the family is that the grandmother lived in the bomb factory, and the Farook family hired a crazed lawyer who claimed they didn’t do it, when that’s not even in question. I have not heard any of the family speak yet, so I’ll look out for it on the news.
I hope for the child’s sake that not everyone in the family is radicalized, and that she gets a soft place to land. This baby is a victim, too.
everyone here should be very afraid
what this guy had in the way of weapons was not only legal it’s what millions of people in America have in their closets and Americans who are really into guns have quit a bit more.
further, your toilet is a giant pipe bomb just waiting to explode, so do not use the bathroom or kitchen sink ever again.
and never forget, everything you post on the internet, even in comments, even if you use TOR, can be traced back directly to you and you can do up to 6 years in prison for hate speech and up to 2 years for trolling.
but don’t worry, too much, the government has your back, as long as you can prove who you are, can demonstrate to be a loyal and trusted citizen and your IQ is no higher than 90.
jischinger – if the government is as good at catching these guys as they are me, I have nothing to fear.
First rule–don’t allow people with big, black and hairy moles, hanging off the ends of their respective beaks, into this country. That’s what we need to to do. The rest will follow. Our guts will guide us.
Nick,
Hey Mr. Holiday Inn Express, only an idiot family member would admit they knew something was ‘off’ and chose to ignore it. We have been driven away from profiling for fear of some label being cast upon us, but profiling is what we need to do. IMO, over time we will learn of the classic signs that were missed by government agencies as well as family members. What we likely will not learn is what to do to prevent this from happening again.
What is the wart on the end of the nose for?
BarkinDog
It lights her way.
That’s right, folks. Let’s allow our GUT INSTINCTS to act as a guide in establishing what needs to be done here. You know, the infamous “gut check” theory. Not common sense, and, heaven forbid, not some actual hard facts. Let’s just observe a woman, with a feigned sense of remorse and sadness, speak to the media and get our cues from that ruse. Yeah. She seems cool. No way she could’ve been involved or participatory in this massacre. My gut tells me so. What on earth could possibly go wrong with that tried and true theory? Well, I suppose you could ask about 14 people who are dead because their gut instincts failed them. 14 people who sat alongside this homicidal maniac in his cubicle, for years, never imagining that this seemingly mild-mannered and quiet Muslim would seek to annihilate them. Let’s ask them where their gut instincts went wrong. We should remind them of the baby shower given to their coworker, a symbol of their affection and hospitality, and question them about that as well.
Dave you missed all the important parts of what I said – dare I ask you read it again?
or don’t, you’ve already admitted/proved to me your age level of comprehension.
Nick Spinelli – and you got your PHD in psychology where?
tinear
good thing sound and logical minds will not listen to your insane rhetoric.
what will you be calling the infant next, baby Hitler?
perhaps you missed the episode of Elian Gonzales in the 90s.
shame you didn’t take that time to study basic child psychology. please don’t breed.
this man married a subservient woman.
if this woman were a white or black American wife the rhetoric would have been of abuse and being held captive by a dominate man.
to think women have their own minds or are allowed to have their own minds in Saudi culture, which all of you support through your government and US corporations, only adds to the ignorant mindset of weak minded Americans.
you do not know the nature of the relationship between this couple.
it has confounded even the FBI.
you’re allowing yourselves to be caught up in the American media doctrine of a sexy drama – if it bleeds it leads – the MSM in America it is not there to inform, but to make profits by selling more advertisement.
I believe Donald Trump proved that
you saw one of the best examples of Yellow Journalism when every networks reporter ransacked and polluted a crime scene, all for ratings.
what happened was tragic, what most of you have become is hysterical.
I TOTALLY agree w/ the moderate Muslim[s], wherever he, she, or they are, need to step up. It is gut check time. I played football. You learn quickly who is w/ the team. It’s 90 degrees, everyone on the team is dehydrated, sick, and tired. But, the game is on the line. To this day, 50 years later, I remember who answered the gut check and who did not. This is separate from what is best for the 6 month old baby. I am angry @ what happened. I have been trained to not let anger cloud my judgment. I see good people here and elsewhere letting anger cloud their judgment. I also see our Prez and AG not answering the gut check. They are a disgrace. Put your anger toward our “leaders” not this family.
Let me say, I do not think Grandma should get the kid. Interestingly, those bozo attorneys did not either. They indicated the sister was wanting to raise the baby.