We recently discussed how, within minutes of the loss on election night, Clinton aides began to spin the loss and entirely the fault of FBI Director James Comey — a spin picked up by Clinton herself the next day. Many of us have questioned that spin in light of Clinton’s long-standing low polls on truthfulness and her ranking as (with Trump) the most unpopular nominee of a major party for the presidency. Now, former Clinton campaign communications director Jess McIntosh has come up with a new culprit. Of course, it is not the Democratic establishment that engineered the nomination despite ample warning signs in the polls. It was not the campaign that preferred spin to honesty at every turn. And it was not the candidate herself. No, it was the self-loathing and inherent sexism of women.
In an appearance on MSNBC (which seems at times to be moving through the stages of grieving of Kübler-Ross), McInstosh insisted that the problem was with sexist, self-hating women: “Internalized misogyny is a real thing and this is a thing we have to be talking about as we go through and see.” She added “We as a society react poorly to women seeking positions of power. We are uncomfortable about that and we seek to justify that uncomfortable feeling because it can’t possibly be because we don’t want to see a woman in that position of power. As we go through these numbers, as we figure out exactly what happened with turnout, it seems to be white college-educated women . . . We have work to do talking to those women about what happened this year and why we would vote against our self-interest.”
Of course, there could be a more obvious answer: people really did not like Hillary as a leader regardless of her gender. It may be that the large numbers of women refused to vote for Hillary simply because she was a woman. Clinton and Trump were the most unpopular politicians ever to be nominated for president and over 60 percent of voters viewed Clinton as fundamentally dishonest. None of that stopped the DNC from engineering her victory over Bernie Sanders who presented precisely the populist campaign that many voters were looking for. Clinton had the Democratic establishment and many allies in the media — everyone agreed except the public. That was enough . . . until the voters had their say on November 8th.
Jess McIntosh is the Communications Director for Emily’s list and previously served as spokesperson for Senator Al Franken.
McIntosh’s statement reflects what turned off a lot of women that I spoke with. The Clinton campaign hammered away at different groups “voting their interests” and specifically drum beat the notion that women had to support Clinton as the first possible female president. It was all about “self-interest.” That pitch itself can be viewed as sexist. Many women did not trust Clinton and saw nothing in her that spoke to their lives or the difficulties of their families. Notably, Clinton was losing among various female groups to Sanders in the primary. Again, Clinton staffers spoke of educating women to see their self-interest, but tended to avoid the anomaly of running female-centric themes without the support of most women. For many women and men, picking a president is not about “self-interest” but the best for their country and their families.
According to the New York Times, Clinton carried only 54 percent of the female vote against Donald Trump. However, nearly twice as many white women without college degrees voted for Trump than for Hillary and she basically broke almost even on college-educated white women (with Hillary taking 51 percent). Trump won the majority of white women at 53 percent.
The dismissal of white women by the Clinton camp as self-loathing, sexist robots is another effort at avoidance. The Democratic leadership and consultants proved out-of-touch with the public despite polls that gave ample indication that Clinton was the worst possible candidate to put forward in this anti-establishment period. Nevertheless, the Democrats appear to be rallying around again many of the same leaders and the Clinton family (including reportedly grooming Chelsea as the new “brand” name candidate). The position of aides like McIntosh is that the fault is that white women simply did not listen or learn. It was not the message or the candidate or her campaign. It is a remarkably insulting spin but it seems to be preferred to the more difficult questions raised by the campaign.
If you’re the average wharf rat Democrat, all you have to do is shout “racism, misogyny, homophobia”, etc. But the upper ranks have to put on a monocle and talk about internalized misogyny, as if we shouldn’t use violence against such mentally ill people, but merely institutionalize them.
I would love to see a female President (and an all female Supreme Court).
The women I know who voted for Trump (or would have if they had bothered to vote) would have done so because they always vote for the Republican. They liked George Bush (both of them) and hate President Obama. Their reasons were much like the men I know who voted, or would have voted, for Trump.
I refused to vote for either of them. Clinton’s domestic policy can be summed up in her vote for the bankers’ bankruptcy bill because “they are my constituents”. Her constituents are those who give her $$$, not the voters. Her foreign policy is summed up in “we came, we saw, he died, hahahaa”. This isn’t what I want to see when our government assassinates a sitting head of state. Trump’s hateful rhetoric didn’t put him in the running as a lesser evil.
What the heck is “hateful” about not wanting your country to be invaded by massive numbers of illegal immigrants from other countries? Try sneaking into Mexico and living. See what happens to you. Try buying property there as a non-citizen. See what happens to you. Try the same in African or Asian countries.
Why is protecting your borders only hateful if white people do it?
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Squeeky,
You are spinning your wheels with some of these people.
I’d like to add to your list try being an illegal and go to the streets waving a foreign flag making demands in any of those nations and see what happens?
First, referring to the large number of people who illegally enter the country from Mexico as an invasion is a little over the top. These people – the overwhelming majority of them – did come here to subjugate us, overthrow our government, or injure the nation politically, economically or socially. They came here to seek a better life for themselves.
Secondly, wanting to stop this flow of people across the border is not the hateful thing. Trump’s hateful rhetoric is the hateful part, and bettykath specifically referred to Trump’s rhetoric, not his actual call for stopping the flow of people across the border. Trump’s hateful rhetoric included his statement in which he said that the vast majority of those crossing our border from Mexico were rapists. Not only was this hateful, it was demonstrably and patently false. There are far more white male U.S. citizens who are rapists in this country than there are undocumented immigrants who are rapists. You have intentionally misrepresented bettykaths remarks. Nowhere in those remarks was there anything said – explicitly or implicitly – that protecting the border is hateful only when white people do it. She said the rhetoric employed by Trump in defending his proposal was hateful. And it would be hateful coming from anyone, no matter their race, ethnicity or nationality.
Oops, need to do a better job of proofreading before posting. The word “not” should be between did and come in the part of the sentence that reads “…did (not) come here to subjugate us, overthrow our government, or injure the nation politically, economically or socially.
OK, have it your way! Sneak into Mexico, or China, or Canada and tell them:
I did come here to subjugate you, overthrow your government, or injure the nation politically, economically or socially. I came here to seek a better life for myself!
Guess what? I bet they still kick your a$$ out! Because you are not one of their citizens, and you don’t just get to break their laws because you feel like it! Our country has run up $10 Trillion more in debt the last 8 years. We have between 30 and 94 million unemployed or underemployed Americans. Bringing in 20 million illegal immigrants who are low job skilled, DOES injure our nation, both economically and socially!
But screw all that as long as you get to pose as a caring and tolerant individual. Right?
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Just as you did with bettykaths’ remarks, you’ve misrepresented mine. I did not advocate that we should not develop an immigration policy to reduce the flow of illegals into the country. I pointed out the things wrong with Donald Trumps demonization of these people, the vast majority of whom are in fact not rapists, not murderers, not criminals, and do not in fact engage in behaviors that are detrimental to the health and welfare of our society or our democracy.
As for me illegally entering Mexico or China there is no temptation to do so since doing so would likely not improve my economic circumstances. I don’t doubt that they would deport me. That they would do so is not cause for me to accept that we should deport all the illegals here. Unlike you, I happen to believe in a much less restrictive, more open immigration policy. But that is an argument for another day. In the case of Canada, there would be some benefits that would accrue by going there, even illegally. By the way, I doubt Canadians would be as mean or bigoted toward me as an illegal immigrant as many of my fellow Americans choose to be toward illegal immigrants here.
What does the additional $10 trillion in debt over the last 8 years have to do with undocumented immigrants? What is your evidence that the jobs occupied by these undocumented immigrants are jobs that would be filled by unemployed and underemployed Americans? Where did the 20 million illegal immigrant number come from? Every report I have read puts the number at 10 million to 11 million. Explain how these immigrants injure our nation economically or socially. Just because you say this to be the case doesn’t mean it actually is the case. Actually deporting all of these people in anything near the timeframe that Trump has proposed would have a negative impact on our economy and probably dramatically increase the debt and/or federal deficit that you seem so concerned about (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-18/here-s-what-the-u-s-economy-would-look-like-if-trump-deported-undocumented-immigrants, http://www.businessinsider.com/cost-deporting-undocumented-immigrants-study-2016-5).
One study by Ben Gitis and Laura Collins of the American Action Forum had this to say:
“The costs of enforcing current law toward all 11.2 million undocumented immigrants, while keeping any new immigrants from entering unlawfully, are quite large. We estimate that the federal government would have to spend $400 billion to $600 billion over 20 years to accomplish these objectives. $100 billion to $300 billion would be spent on removing the entire current undocumented immigrant population from the United States. Moreover, an additional $315 billion would be needed to keep new immigrants from unlawfully living in the country. Not only would it cost the public fiscally, but it would also greatly burden the economy. The labor force would shrink by 6.4 percent or 11 million workers and, as a result, in 20 years the U.S. GDP would be 5.7 percent or $1.6 trillion percent lower than it would be without fully enforcing current law.
http://www.americanactionforum.org/research/the-budgetary-and-economic-costs-of-addressing-unauthorized-immigration-alt/
So you don’t think there is any virtue in being a caring and tolerant person?
Wait a minute seek a better life? How about seek all the freebies that they get which are intended for Americans. Let’s take away the free birthing and hospital stay, food stamps, housing, monetary subsidies, free education, stop getting work for not being documented and bye bye illegal!
You see the problem isn’t immigration reform its failure to enforce the laws of immigration. If we enforced the law we wouldn’t have this conversation. The dems smell another voting block and that’s all they are concerned about. We already have a path to citizenship in this country the problem is these people would never make the grade for entry.
Let’s do this as they enter bus them north to the Canadian border the Canadian Bicycle Boy (aka) Isaac will greet them and let Canada deal with them.
“…problem is these people would never make the grade for entry.”
Given that this is an opinion unsupported by any evidence there is no rational or logical reason to accept this statement as true. I think it likely to be false.
Well, his rhetoric did put him forth as the lesser of two evils. He is recorded mocking Bill Kristol as the the “poor guy who just wants to kill people.” Plus, Trump was smart enough to not to further antagonize a nuclear power, who is not an enemy of our country. That’s a pretty big difference, and a difference most Democrats refuse to discuss.
Wayne Madsen Reports has learned from multiple knowledgeable sources that the proponent of neo-fascism, Michael Ledeen, is working closely with former Defense Intelligence Agency chief Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, to ensure that as many neocons from the Bush 43 and Reagan eras find senior positions in the Trump administration.
Flynn co-authored a book with Ledeen that was released in July and titled, “The Field of Flight: How We Can Win the Global War Against Radical Islam and Its Allies.”
The book represents typical neocon pabulum more than it does realism. INFOWARS
I do recall openly posting that Hillary was living proof that not only men can victimize women. The demonstration of the accuracy of that observation was failing to recognize or look at the victims from her own past sitting in the front row of the debates. Of all people and it looks like others recognized it she had less than zero right to play the woman card – and that cost her votes and worse respect. Though she had little enough of that for many other reasons.
And if Hillary was black and lost, it would be racism, and if she was lesbian, it would be homophobia, etc etc.
The Democrats and the Left are the new Nazis. They have to have a scapegoat to blame for their own failures, and poor decisions. For the Nazis, it was the Jews. For the Democrats, it’s racists, sexists, white nationalists, etc. etc. Nobody is to blame for their own mistakes. Except Republicans.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
She is a closeted lesbian.
Nick – my understanding is she is a closeted bisexual.
You know this how?
I think she has a point, but I don’t see it as a problem that women can solve as a group. The fact is, men as a group are better at some things than women, and women are better at other things. Since it was men who have designed the institutions of leadership throughout history, it’s natural that more men would dominate those institutions. Once women gain more power, the institutions of leadership will be redesigned to fit their strengths more, and there will be more women leaders. This will happen without anyone setting forth a “plan” for the future.
But I do think that the nuclear family has had a great deal to do with it. Women have always had a greater emotional investment in the family structure, and naturally devote much more time to it. I don’t think that men, by and large, have felt the same kind of life fulfillment from the family, which is why politics is so much more important to them. But we are seeing a major redefinition of what constitutes the “family” today. This will also affect who the future leaders will be.
It’s almost like the Clinton campaign actually believes, “Vote for me because I have a ‘Vajayjay'” was a winning strategy because women would never vote against their own best interests? Wow. wow. wow.
And here I thought the Russians were behind it.
No, Steve. Trump won because of “the xenophobic, the racist, the bigoted” voters.
The Canadian de Tocqville already explained this.
I hate to be a spelling Nazi, but, it should have read:
The Canadian de TOKEville already explained this.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
I
w
i
l
l
t
r
y
t
o
d
e
m
o
n
s
t
r
a
t
e
What the “reply box” often looks like ( on this smart phone) when I’m entering each letter.
If this posts as I typed it, you should see a vertical, “thermometer” format above as an example….often, I can not see the my comments before posting.
Sometimes, I can’t even see the previous word or letter as I type.
It was a PUN! You know “Toke” as in to smoke pot. Canadian de TOKE -ville. Canadian from dope-smoking town.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Squeeky
I missed “ue” in de Toqueville earlier.
Should have gone with your “Toke” spelling.
Squeeky..
-( the reply box is halfway normal now).
Raymond WA. is a small town in SE Washington that has become a major commercial marijuana center since WA. legalized
recreational pot.
A nearby town is named TOKELAND…..no kidding….just west of the town of Raymond.
I just watched (again) the 1966 comedy “The Wrong Box”.
Starring Michael Caine, Ralph Richardson, John Mills, and Peter Sellers.
I think you can watch it on youtube online, if you get a chance.
I think you’ll enjoy it, especially Ralph Richardson’s performance ( he and his character are British, not Canadian).
LOL! “Brevity is the soul of wit” and Steve Groen gets it.
Clinton lost because she lowered herself to Trump’s level. When she stopped focusing on issues and all the other stuff most Americans are too feeble minded to consider and started b*tch slapping Trump she contrasted a pathetic little woman going toe to toe with the consummate pig. Trump is a pig, has always been a pig and because there is no contrast between what he said and what he continued to say, no one noticed. One even came to expect it from him. It was a carnival, a side show, a circus and Trump was the ringmaster. Those that watched were the audience, some oblivious to everything except the delivery and other shuddering.
Trump may work out. Trump has many positions that lean more left than right, many positions that make sense, but alas many positions that drag the country down and backwards. We will see. However, a Clinton Presidency would have continued with the slow patient fix of the cesspool delivered by the last Republican President the worst President in collective memory, Bush.
The real statement has been made by the xenophobic, the racist, the bigoted for regardless of what Trump may deliver he delivered himself up as a xenophobe, racist, bigoted pig and millions of Americans said yes.
Maybe in SJW speak, he was those things.
But if you actually get into the nitty-gritty of what he said, and actually look, you cannot find him to be summed up as xenophobic, racist, or bigoted.
He is crass, pugnacious, bullyish, and any number of things of style that people may not like, but that those are not his positions, or show biases.
There is so much projection and extrapolation going on about what he stands for, instead of actual analysis. Jumping to conclusions is the state of the opposition, not actual assessment.
More spew from the dumb Cannuck.
I rarely respond to the feeble minded with the lame retorts because they are feeble minded and have nothing to offer. Ms Fromm and Sherlock the Experienced rarely rate a read. However, StepStepSteponToads shall get one in gratitude for illustrating better than I just how vacuous that slice of America is that gave us such as travesty as what Trump advertised for President. The dumbest Cannuck has more going for him or her than you and your ilk. Pretty much most people throughout the world lead Americans on average in intelligence and knowledge of the world. I grew up most of half of my life watching the circus that is America interspersed with hope and genius. From Canada and France I watched as America tried its darndest to evolve along with the rest of the world. For the past almost thirty + years I have lived here among those that I could find with a working brain, again watching the circus of duck dynasty and honey boo boo. So far for my almost seventy years, from outside and from inside, the nonsense and disgust of the xenophobes, racists, and bigots never got this close to power. The jury is still out on Trump, more than one jury. The verdict is in, however, on one fact. The very people who bought Trump’s bill of goods that he would, as an outsider, a man who was self made, a man who would not support the status quo, just elected the consummate insider, silver spoon born to royalty, liar, cheat, and self avowed holier than all the rest to the Presidency. Perhaps he has been planning this all along and he is not in it simply for the self gratification. Perhaps he has ideas as to why he is appointing lobbyists to his mob. Who better to guard the chickens than the wolves, cuz they can keep the other wolves away? We now say good by to one of the great Presidents of all time and his self accomplished wife, both elegant and respected throughout the world and most of America and say hello to a narcissist, megalomaniac, liar, and cheat and his wife who made it on her back. Yes, haven’t exited the anger stage as yet.
Exiting the country might hasten exiting “the anger stage”.
Isaac,
Please tell us more about how you are a “true patriot” who is “more intelligent” and “more informed” than the xenophobic, racist Americans.
I don’t think you’ve convinced everyone yet of that you really have all of those superior characteristics.
A lot of Americans have those superior characteristics, about a million more than voted for the biggest con artist yet. Trump might just not do the damage he promised but he represented nothing but idiocy and filth yet more people voted against him than for him. That is what makes America great, but not lucky, this time around.
As for leaving and the other remarks, not worth the response.
“Everything HRC touches she kind of screws up with hubris.” — Colin Powell (former Secretary of State)
I think America made the right choice.
Trump has had lots of business failures–and his companies had to declare four bankruptcies. His track record isn’t one that is all that great.
edm – Trump has over 500 business under his brand. That only 4 failed is remarkable. The average business fails within 3 years.
For a person of his self-described talents, four business failures is too many. The average business failure rate you reference has little relevance to Trump, who has used (abused) tax laws to achieve his business success, cheated other small business out of what he owed them (in some cases he was the cause of the failure of these small businesses), and started out with a level of capitalization that most small business startups only dream about. Given the resources he has had at his disposal from the very beginning there was little doubt that most of his business ventures were ever at any real risk of failure. And the ones that did fail — his casinos — were due to terrible business decisions and management on his part. Trump is not the business genius he portrays himself to be. Michael D’Antonio’s biography details all this in his Trump biography, Never Enough.
dogfightwithdogma – have not read the book, not on my list. Did they make a movie of it? The national average is one in three failing. So, if he has four businesses out of 500 failing, I would say that was a great record. An you can write off a major loss for 20-30 years. I have one I am still working on thanks to the City of Phoenix.
“Not worth a response” and “Not capable of a response” are two different things.
That’s why you go mute, Isaac, when you make up things and are asked for cites/ documentation.
Like say that most people around the world are more intelligent and better informed than Americans, or that Americans are “feeble minded”, or that Trump has an IQ of 107 v. 152 for Hillary ( you were called out a number of times on that lie), etc.
“Not worth the response” is your way of ducking out when you’re called on something.
But I’m not claiming that all Canadian transplants are cowards.
I have your feeble mind right here, Canadian
Bicycle Boy.
Earth to Issac… what is it about the duopoly you don’t get. Sounds like W was good with her, and all his neocon creeps were jumping ship to be part of her new government. Face it, she was the chosen neocon. The oncoming fights Trump will have with the congress will be interesting.
Don Cherry doesn’t want you or your ilk back in Canada. Most Canadians have an inferiority complex when compared to the greatest nation ever, the USA. Lena Dunham is seeking solace in the rocks or Sedona. Give it a shot, you have no way to go but up.
“Most Canadians have an inferiority complex when compared to the greatest nation ever…”
Now that is one bold claim offered without a shred of evidence.
“Trump is evil” is not a campaign platform. They seemed to think it was. That’s how little they think of fly over country. Keep this up and there will never be a real Democrat party emerging from the ashing pile.
If you insult the electorate, try to shame them into voting for someone instead of convincing them, then they will react as any reasonable person would, by opposition not concordance.
The common theme of the electorate for the past 10 years is one of frustration and exasperation with the government and the offerings of the preferred candidates that the major parties have put forth to them. Barack Obama was exactly that choice, as he promised NOT more of the same, but to clean things up and clear out the crap in Washington, he was the protest vote. Still things didn’t get done, and in fact special interests and social agenda driven policies merely got more entrenched and attempted to be legitimized.
Now, having been given the choice between absolutely more of the same, and an unknown even possibly dangerous candidate, the electorate said fukit, we will choose now from possibly dangerous over more of the same, because there at least is a possibility that the unknown choice will turn out to be a gamble for America, and a gamble is better than knowing it will be more of the same.
So, we will have Donald Trump. An unknown quantity, that is better than the known quantity that was the alternate choice.
Very well said Gary, and a very sad illustration of the shape of things.
I think it was a little bit of all these things, no one cause. Just enough to put The Donald into the White House.
Actually, I will be curious to see if he actually moves in there — It’s so much nicer in Trump Tower. Plus, the previous White House occupant was one of Those People….
What a bunch of malarkey! Hillary Clinton is a disgusting example of a person, not just a woman, but a human being. She and Bill run a criminal enterprise. For being lawyers, they have lived as if they care nothing for the law in this country for decades. I’m so happy they have finally gotten their comeuppance. Now we just need to know about what is happening in the foundation and why only 10-12% actually goes to good works……….
beakie, Women know women better than men, and men know men better than women. I had male and female PI’s working for my company. When the subject of an investigation was as a woman, I always tried to assign the case to a female investigator.
What’s a self-respecting hand wringing Leftist to do? When ordinary non-bigoted, non-Islamaphobe, non-homophobe, non-misogynist Americans get fed up with Leftists calling them bigots, Isalamaphobes, homophobes and misogynists it’s best for them to just double down and scream it even louder.
Please, keep this up.
Are they are saying that “internalized misogyny” means women don’t know how to rationally think for themselves? That we should always to defer to the ‘groupthink’ mentality that tells us what to think and who to vote for? This sums up Hillary’s camapaign argument on why we should vote for her: I am the first woman to break the glass ceiling. Donald Trump is crazy and the next coming of Hitler. And so independent minded, clear thinking, rational women who did not vote for Hillary have something wrong with them? Holy moly.
Has a little bit of a Schopenhauer feel to it. I guess that works. Easier to say that her message and style sucked. I don’t ever really advocate to referring to a potential market opportunity as “deplorable.” But, when you’re self-envisioned royalty, I guess you do things like that.
They can try all the spin they want. This has been a laugher, and will be referred to in future writings as such.
Yes, It is funny how they call women voting for Trump robots/lemmings but voting for the corruption queen simply because she was female is not robotic.
Dear Ms. McIntosh, I am a critical thinking, self-employed, successful white woman who has an advanced degree. Please wake up and give up on your delusions. No one is buying it. I suggest you watch the episode featuring the DNC Convention on the Showtime series, “The Circus.” While the series definitely had a left-leaning bias, it captured well what the leaders of the DNC refused to acknowledge. No one was buying your candidate and her message. By the way, it has nothing to do with her gender. Most people believe she is a corrupt, lying, puppet of the DNC.
And now the DNC is seriously looking to select a radical far left Muslim Brotherhood sympathizer to lead them? The Democrats are in trouble.
oh, and “F*ck Whiteness” is another winning strategy for the Democrats:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/mayor-de-blasio-aide-ripped-racist-facebook-photo-article-1.2876568?cid=bitly
why anyone is scratching their heads trying to figure out why Hillary and the Democrats lost so big in this election is beyond me.
“…radical far left Muslim Brotherhod sympathizer…”?
If you are going to throw around such inflammatory, demonizing descriptions at least have the intellectual integrity to offer the evidence for the description.
Another person that needs to be purged from the democratic party.
Huffington Post: “The Clinton camp’s arrogance and bias that they had this wrapped up defeated them.”
I’m perfectly happy if they fancy this is the explanation. The longer their sightlines are occluded, the longer they’re inhibited from accomplishing much of anything. Make no mistake, Emily’s List are a nasty bunch o’ ho’s.
Hillary “The Teflon Queen” Clinton.