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Washington Post Poll: Trump Would Still Beat Clinton

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There is an interesting finding from a Washington Post poll that is rather buried in the story: “The new survey finds 46 percent saying they voted for Clinton and 43 percent for Trump, similar to her two-point national vote margin. Asked how they would vote if the election were held today, 43 say they would support Trump and 40 percent say Clinton.”  Given Trump’s dismal popularity (perhaps the least popular president in the first 100 days in office since the start of modern polling), it was a surprising result.  It comes at a time when Clinton has been listing a number of reasons for her historic defeat . . . except for herself.  This includes her explanation (and her supporters) that it was not Clinton but self-hating, misogynistic women who could not vote for any woman for President.

The poll still shows only a 42 percent approval rate for Trump with a chilling 53 percent disapproval.

However, the most interesting finding was that, despite that unpopularity, Clinton still remains radioactive with many voters. Before the establishment all but anointed Clinton as their candidate in the primary, polls clearly showed that the voters did not want an establishment figure so the DNC worked to guarantee the nomination to the ultimate establishment figure. However, it clearly goes deeper than that.  Even against one of the most unpopular figures in history (Trump was even worse at 63 percent unfavorability), Clinton could not even maintain a majority of women with favorability ratings.  I believe that voters are willing to elect a woman and I do not believe that the last election was decided by self-hating women. There was ample reason to vote against Clinton who was not just the ultimately establishment figure but was dragging a long chain of controversies stretching back to her time as the First Lady of Arkansas.

Many in the party still cannot break their self-destructive addiction to the Clintons.  Hillary is back giving speeches to rally Democrats and Chelsea Clinton being clearly groomed as the next in line for the Clinton brand to the dismay of some.  Even after the defeat of Hillary Clinton, many remain in denial over the fact that many, if not most, voters remain opposed to the Clintons in polls.  Given the Post results, that strong dislike appears enough to even overcome the persistent unpopularity of the President Trump.

110 thoughts on “Washington Post Poll: Trump Would Still Beat Clinton”

  1. Macron’s wife is 24 years older than he, Trump’s wife is 24 years younger.

    1. Let’s hope Obama’s informal endorsement of Macron is the kiss of death for him 😉

      1. Anyone else notice how un-newsworthy the left-stream media found Obama’s intentional interfering in the French election? Crickets.

  2. Autumn, LePen is getting a higher % of millenials than Trump did here. The French equivalent of the Dem and Rep party candidates finished 3rd and 5th!! Gee, I wonder if there’s an anti-establishment wave going on in the West???

    1. Nick, i honestly think this is France’s “last gasp” for independence. Maybe the youth there get it – the EU is strangling them. Vive la France!

  3. Hey, OT – anyone paying attention to the elections in France? Macron – the neo lib / neo con establishment figure got 23.8%, Le Pen 21.7% and new comer Berniesque dude Melanchon who only threw his hat in the ring a few months ago 19.4%!! Both Le Pen and Melanchon are about Sovereignty even as they differ on various policies. The banksters are freaking out.

    1. The banksters are celebrating as they did with Trump. Look at market futures Another big win for Goldman Sachs…

  4. Chelsea won’t make it in politics. She’s ugly and lazy, the latter being key. Bubba and Hillary were incredibly hungry. This entitled kid is softer than Kim Kardashian.

    1. Ben Shapiro calls Chelsea Clinton as exciting as a ‘soggy cardboard.’ (He’s correct) Hollywood celebs thinks she is the bomb. (Delusional)

    2. Another reason to not like Chelsea Clinton:

      “I was curious if I could care about [money] on some fundamental level, and I couldn’t,” Chelsea Clinton told the UK Telegraph in an interview about the trajectory of her career. “That wasn’t the metric of success I wanted in my life.”

  5. Karen, People open up to me. It comes naturally, and honed professionally. I can think of 4 women I NEVER would have thought voted for Trump tell me they did. Two of them asked for confidentiality.

    1. If you spent any time in the middle of the country before the election, all you would see is miles and miles of Trump/Pence signs and Make American Great Again Signs all over the place. Very few Clinton/Kaine signs around. This was clue number one for anyone paying attention.

      1. I noticed that as well. It is beyond amazing how different the world looks on the coasts vs the middle. Sadly, my opinion is that we should split the country up, and avoid all this rancor. After a time, it would become evident which outlook was the more successful.

        HOWEVER, if it is true that the Russians craftily influenced public opinion here, then they would rejoice at having a less-influential USA, in two or three parts.

  6. Ah, yes, I particularly enjoyed the “self-hating, misogynistic women who could not vote for any woman for President.” Because it couldn’t have been Obamacare, high taxes, high unemployment, high under employment, and a general disgust with the tax-and-spend Establishment.

    As a woman, it’s wonderful to be told that unless I am forced to vote for someone against my will, I hate myself. Now that’s what my hero suffragettes fought for! Black people, too, get attacked for not voting as they’ve been told. Unfortunately, that is an aspect of the Democratic Party they have not quite managed to shake off since their KKK reformation.

    This is why I, as a voter, feel that the Democratic Party does not care about what matters to me. My experience with backlash when I’ve criticized Obamacare through the years convinced me that they don’t care about the financial catastrophe they brought on the middle class. But what most disturbed me what this trend where friends and family disowned people who refused to vote for Hillary. You don’t keep chasing parties or people who don’t care about you. You look elsewhere. And long ago, I realized that the far Left’s platform of caring about women, minorities, the poor, and the middle class was just a schtick they used to get votes. Their programs tend to harm the groups they purport to help. Yes, they have fantastic rhetoric about tolerance and caring, but when you view their actions, and the results of their actions, they fall short.

  7. 87% to 93% of the news coverage is automatically knee jerk anti Trump regardless. However they are all left stream media. So back to the discussion

    Clinton got 48.2 trump 46 point something. Neither one won in the popular vote because at the federal level their are no plurality winners. It takes a majority. Clinton people also add in Johnson and Klein far to much which is vote theft at the least.

    Now. the final was something like 45% to 55% of the electoral vote. the one that counted.

    Third time the Democrats have made that mistake and looks like Perez-Castro is lining them up for another or fourth time.

    A bunch of folks stayed home rather than vote against their party and for the other side.

    BUT the group, still not acknowledged by anyone but Trump that made the difference was (I’ve seen one figure on this) 40% of the total. They were variousloy called, disaffected, marginalized, deplorables, unrepresented, ignored and came from a great many backgrounds politically and philosophically. Many had never regtistered or they had had never voted.

    The most common factor was ‘voitng against Hillary not for Trump’ , ‘voting for any outsider and against any insider politician’, and voting for a return to the OUR Representative Constitutional Republic system of government (which by the way at it’s base is firm foundation of voting representative democratic principles) VERSUS a continuance or expansion of a sociallist progresswive autocracy.I call them (us I’m one myself)

    And add in 80% of the military combat/combat support troops – the figure changes when the Rear Echelon Mother Feathers or REMFs are included. The ones that took umbrage at being characterized by Mr. Obama and his people as the greatest danger this government (administration or regime not system , country and people) face. Neapolitano of Arizona then head of DOHS said it first out loud. That followed by the eight years of antagonism between Obama and the military where he showed contiempt and treated them despicably ….in return they learned to despise him.

    Obama’s answer was to attempt to turn DOHS in to a protective echelon or schutz staffel. and stated he wanted it the same size and power AS the standing military. Ergo sum he couldn’t declare martial law for one thing. Obvious reasons.

    So the other group lumped together may be called, and were, the Phantom Army but I prefer the term moderate centrists. Why? Because all fit the mold of self governing citizens part of the ultimate source of power as the founders put it and they didn’t NEED to belong to a party to do their thinking for them.

    The danger was clear with the pirorities – Stop Clinton, Destroy the left, Punish the right wing of the left – the RINOs and we openly called it a counter revolution as that made it legal. We also said ballots not bullets and that’s where we connected with the active duty, former, retired military.

    So let the stupid left wing, even Fox as the new mainstream media, keep forgetting and their pollsters too.

    No one declared this war over yet. …

    The rules by the by were simpile

    Stop Enabling
    Take Power
    Make Change.

    Like it or not that is your answer.

    .

    1. “87% to 93% of the news coverage is automatically knee jerk anti Trump regardless. However they are all left stream media. So back to the discussion”

      On Fox News it certainly isn’t….. Though that may change now that Ailes and O’Reilly are gone.

    1. There is only one crime as far as the red haze is concerned: they disrupt the flagitious activities of overseas reds who are enemies of the United States and of every principle of justice to boot.

  9. I am not sure how they expect Trump to maintain any popularity when over 80% of news articles are against him. However, I think I want to get the new book on the demise of the Hillary non-campaign. It appears even the inmates were not in charge of the asylum, no one was.

    1. That’s what struck me.

      Trump still would have won, even though, as you’ve said, over 80% of news articles are against him.

      I wish the Democrats would calm the Trump neurosis down, and just judge each of Trump’s actions on the merits, rather than this constant emotional argument.

      1. Karen – it appears that Hillary did not any polling in the last three weeks of the campaign.

  11. @JT

    “Even against one of the most unpopular figures in history (Trump is even worse at 63 percent unfavorability), Clinton could even maintain a majority of women with favorability ratings.”

    I’m having trouble with the sentence above. Were you intending to say, “…Clinton could not maintain a high favorability rating with even a majority of women.”?

  13. The poll is meaningless because you can’t recreate November 9. Why even discuss it?

    1. I recreated in my head several times.
      I even pinched myself. And now,
      I’m getting the same thrill with supporting Marine Le Pen.
      Winning!…….

  14. Too funny. And Bezo at the Washington Post paid money for the poll. I am surprised they released though.

  16. I suspect a strategy the democrats are using is to organize regular, and back-to-back nationwide protests on emotional “red-meat” topics just to keep the rhetoric and anger against the president in a perpetual state of motion. I find that the majority of these vacuous in substance. The most prominent example is the creation of nationwide protests calling for President Trump to release tax returns. While this might have been more of an issue during the campaign, I do not see it as very relevant today in the sense it justifies national protests. But it is something, anything, to keep the juggernaut of anger moving.

    We can expect more of this in the future.

    The democrats would be wise to provide some substance to their argument instead of continually being pissed off at everything. It takes little merit to criticize, and supremely more to be a leader.

    1. Trump’s tax returns are no one’s business. Why we started this is beyond me. Does he have an individual return or is everything wrapped up into family members, company, etc. President Trump has professionals prepare his returns. Professionals don’t gamble their careers on faulty returns.

      2. It’s not that the returns might be “faulty.” The reason for wanting to see Trump’s tax returns, is to learn if he has received payments, loans, or investments from foreign sources, particularly Russia or Russian oligarchs. If so, Trump may well have been bought and paid for, and beholden to these foreign interests, in a way that would influence his foreign policies.

        1. You mean like Hillary did? Running it through her foundation, or calling them speaking fees, somehow laundered them?

    2. The Women’s March was stupid. Finely summarized by celebrities uttering obscenities and random middle-aged women having meltdowns. (Women qua women have few if any problems which can be addressed through the political process and none for which ‘protests’ are anything but non sequitur or upraised middle fingers).

      1. The hats are the stupidest part of the whole ‘movement.’ Let’s hope they don’t figure it out and they keep wearing them. 😉

    3. Well, his tax returns would only matter if he won. What, in your view, would justify national protest, and why would your view matter? Do you really think elections measure merit? In my view, his tax returns would only matter if he promised to release them, and then he won.

    4. What Darren Smith said! This constant anger against Trump accompanied by a total determination to sabotage all attempts to accomplish anything by Congress (even things the Democrats claim to want) is just proving to the American people that they were right to vote the Democrats out of office in all branches and at all levels of government. If they continue this way, they will continue to loose seats in Congress and state legislatures.

      1. I hope they continue so we can continue to fight against tax-and-spend. I’m so disappointed we didn’t get Obamacare repealed yet.

        Although, we have problems with Establishment Republicans happily playing the tax-and-spend and pork gifts for donors game, as well. This election was a repudiation of that behavior. If Republicans squander this good will treading water and generally being ineffective, they’ll lose it.

      2. I don’t suppose Congress did any sort of sit-down strike the last six years Obama was in office ….

    5. Identity politics is working superbly for Dems, I think they should double down on it!!

    6. Agree with Darren. There will be a lot going on in DC on Saturday to mark Trump’s 100th day in office. The Left is organizing yet another protest march at the White House and Trump supporters will also be in town to counter the Left’s protest march. They are calling it “100 Days of Damage” –as if Obama’s policies did ‘good’ for the country? Unbelievable.

      https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/856214403506733056

  17. Chelsea Clinton and Princess Ivanka should stay on the upper east side along with Prince Jared and whatever hedge fund dude Chelsea is married to.

  18. We’ll have a woman as President, just not that woman. Too many weird things in her history. Vince Foster committed suicide in the early days of Clinton’s Presidency. A successful campaign and win and he shoots himself? Hillary requested FBI files on several Republucans. They never should have been sent, but were never returned. Eight years later and the collasus of fishy Presidents, we get Obama. We’re just finishing Trump’s first 100 days and all we hear from Democrats is they will fight him for four years. I think the American people understood how our government is supposed to work. It was obvious that Hillary wants Socialism.

    1. Vincent Foster committed suicide six months after Clinton entered office. His family and his hometown doctor knew perfectly well he was in rough shape and the doctor had prescribed psychotropics. Four distinct investigations into his death have been undertaken and they all concluded the same thing: he comimitted suicide.

      It wasn’t his campaign and he had no history in electoral politics. He was a partner in the Rose Law Firm, a graduate of Davidson College, and the scion of a locally prominent family in southwest Arkansas. See Gary Aldrich’s portrait of the man and the social matrix. He was where he was because he’d been one of HRC’s law partners. He was a conscientious legal professional in a social environment shot through with drug users, tax scofflaws, louts like Rahm Emmanuel, and snotty adolescents like Dee Dee Meyers. He valued his reputation and did not like admitting failure, and the job and the company were getting to him.

      Tens of thousands of people commit suicide every year, and men with a lively capacity to feel shame are well represented among them. There was never anything to see there.

  19. One criminal won and the other lost. Hope neither of these crooks run for anything again.

      1. Crooked Hillary, Crooked Donald, Crooked Flynn, Crooked Page, Crooked Manafort……FBI investigations. Get it.

  20. “Given Trump’s dismal popularity (perhaps the least popular president in the first 100 days in office since the start of modern polling), it was a surprising result.”

    Given the state of civics literacy in this country, I’m not surprised that you’re surprised.

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