In a stinging defeat for the Trump Administration, the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit has upheld an injunction on the Trump Administration’s immigration order. The Fourth Circuit is widely viewed as one of the most conservative circuits and has proven the most deferential to national security powers by the Executive Branch. Indeed, the government often openly forum shops in pushing national security cases through the Eastern District of Virginia and ultimately the Fourth Circuit. The 10-3 vote is an impressive victory for the challengers and now sets the case for the long-awaited petition to the Supreme Court. The court did not spare the rhetorical bite, observing that the order “speaks with vague words of national security, but in context drips with religious intolerance, animus, and discrimination.”
The oral arguments were held on May 8th and I thought the Justice Department did a much better job than the first round leading to the losses in California. The United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit will also rule on the second order.
I still believe that the law favors the Trump Administration. However, Trump himself has proven the greatest liability as challengers repeatedly quoted Trump’s anti-Muslim campaign comments and references to a Muslim ban.
However, the response of the Fourth Circuit clearly a bad omen for the Administration. This is not a court that can be dismissed as some cabal of liberals. Ten judges ruled en banc that “We remain unconvinced [the ban] has more to do with national security than it does with effectuating the President’s promised Muslim ban.” Chief Justice Roger L. Gregory added that “Congress granted the president broad power to deny entry to aliens, but that power is not absolute. It cannot go unchecked when, as here, the president wields it through an executive edict that stands to cause irreparable harm to individuals across this nation.”
I am still skeptical about the weight given to campaign statements over the language of the order on its face. I expect a number of justices are likely to have the same reservations. Time will tell but that time is rapidly approaching.
Here is the opinion: Immigration decision
The Judicial has no say in the matter. President can ban anyone for any reason under law. Judicial cannot create law
Mike Kelly, could you please explain in detail how the Trump clan is lining their pockets. And I don’t mean accusations. Detail. What specifically have they done to line their pockets. I’m not saying it isn’t being done, but please stop the accusation and give us specifics. Thank you.
Every trip to Mar-a-lago line’s trumps pockets. Having Melania stay in NY has lined his pockets, because secret service has to rent space from, you guessed it, Trump Tower. The tax plan he has proposed would drastically reduce his taxes, lining his pockets (in addition to the overall tax reduction, and the elimination of the alternative minimum tax, his plan to allow a pass through coroporate tax rate of 15% for LLCs (instead of paying the individual income tax rate) would be an absolute boon). Not to mention the increase in business to Trump’s DC hotel sees from foreign dignitaries looking to ingratiate themselves.
Attorney General Jeff Sessions says the Justice Department will ask the Supreme Court to review President Trump’s travel ban hours after the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals blocked the executive order.
This just on breaking news. Fast Tracking at it’s finest
BREAKING NEWS – Washington Post / NY Times (joint release)
Trump guilty of attempted obstruction by appointing Justice Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court.
Journalists are interviewing unnamed sources for evidence now.
Democrats in Congress are calling for impeachment.
Sounds like a partisan Democratic Party decision to me.
But, give the Dems some credit. At least they aren’t scurrying around the baseboards like the Republican Congress, who is scared to death the New York Times will write a scathing review of them.
There is some connection, though, between both parties. This is a firm “New World Order” type of decision, one that supports globalization over the security of Americans.Unlike some of the other more conservative types here, I do not think that enough Americans can be killed to make the Democrats and the Establishment admit that this is a bad call. I mean, over 3,000 blue state New Yorkers got killed a mere 16 years ago, and already that has paled into history. Hundreds have been killed in France, and Europe, and still the idiots there keep putting the Liberal Types into power.
I look for SCOTUS to reverse this nonsense, but SCOTUS can not reverse the idiocy that underlies it. There are too many richer type people who are heavily invested in maintaining the current fictions, No, the only thing that will have the potential to upset the Establishment, is a couple of nukes in big cities, or an asteroid strike, or a pandemic, or a super volcano, or a series of massive earthquakes, or a massive prolonged financial crisis. Of these, a massive prolonged financial crisis seems the most likely.
Like I have said since last year, even if Trump wins, it will only be a temporary respite in our downward spiral. People should use the next 3 – 8 years to stock up on guns, ammo, food, and a safer place to bug out to. Because the poop is very likely to hit the fan within the next few decades. We will become like Venezuela, and have to eat our pets to survive.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Sorry, Squeeky, but I’m not going to eat my beloved cats and dogs to survive when the complete Leftist NWO agenda is put in place. I’d sooner eat some Leftists before doing that. At least they’d be put to good use for a change.
Start promoting the idea of the Consitutional Republic Party and the Constitutional Centrist Coalition. ..We got this step taken care of and the moderate centrist and unrepresetned self governing probably has ago good deal more than the 40% of the vote they were credited with last November.
always the digital dyslexia. unrepresented probably has a good deal more….
Check out the Federalist Party.
Attorney General Jeff Sessions says the Justice Department will ask the Supreme Court to review President Trump’s travel ban hours after the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals blocked the executive order.
This just on breaking news. Fast Tracking at it’s finest
Already have The Constitutional Republic Party is geared towards currently elected and in place members of Congress Including the IDC Independent Democrat breakaways.
The Constitutional Centrist Coalition is geared towards people like the Federalists, Libertarians, Constitutonal Centrists etc etc etc who are too ineffectual on their own but can get a seat at the table without giving up their current party and with the high probability of some gettingi appointed to various positions and some of their agenda ratified and passed. The normal flow is full agreement on the basics and then discuss the rest before presenting it as a voting blocl Plus it protects the ability to back out for various subject areas.
Both designed to clearly design the center of a Constitutional Republic is its’ Constitution
As usual, when it comes to matters of fact and the law, Jon Turley does not tell the truth and adheres like an automaton to his leftist-only mantra of deception. He well knows that there once was a time when the Fourth Circuit might be called “conservative,” but he also well knows that this is NOT true today. Today, the 4th Circuit is LOADED with LEFTISTS, thanks to Obama.
As highlighted in an article by Jason G. Idilbi, entitled “A Liberal Shift in the Fourth Circuit,” the author “looks at the frequency of the appeals court’s recent en banc rehearings and suggests that the shift in the court from a majority of Republican appointees to a majority of Democratic appointees in the 2010-2011 term shows indications that the court is indeed leaning to the left.”
Please see the pdf linked in the article below:
http://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/a-liberal-shift-in-the-fourth-circuit-27839/
As is evident, once the facts are revealed, and the Fake News is properly put in its place, Jon Turley’s premises and arguments disintegrate like sulphuric acid on a sponge:
I can’t accept it as a defeat considering the known in advance conclusion of the lower court phase. I see it as tremendous job of fast tracking the issue to the Supreme Court. I’m interested in seeing this combined with Hawaii to listen to their explanation of how 85 accepted refugees constituteds a compelling interest AND to see what the balance of the court will be with Gorsuch on board.
But stinging defeat ….far far from it normally it would take years and years to reach SCOTUS level.
https://twitter.com/ezlusztig/status/867810539522621441
So a Muslim terrorist who is an Iranian citizen has a [US] Constitutional right to enter US just because he’s a muslim from Iran?
drop the s on constituted
The national security obstructionists will OWN every failure linked to this injunction. I know there are many people pleased that President Trump lost on this temporary ban, but they are celebrating a Trump loss at the expense of our national security. You want to play politics with American lives? You people are disgusting! This will have legs…
Trump’s loose lips are jeopardizing security all around the world while he lines his poclkets.
How? How did “he” transmit it around the world?
Mike Kelly,
It shouldn’t take you this much time to respond to my question. You claim it was Trump’s loose lips that are jeopardizing security. WHAT EXACTLY DID TRUMP SAY TO THE WORLD?
He yacked to the Russian and compromised the Israeli intelligence. His administration leaked about Manchester. He is at NATO talking badly about the Germans. Sure he has done more damage than the press has reported thus far. The only leaders that should trust him are Duterte, Putin and the Sunni Arabs.
He shared intel with the Russians and I’ve yet to see evidence he disclosed the source. Who was it that leaked the contents of that meeting and who reported the source? Trump? Regarding Manchester, who leaked to the media? Trump? As far as NATO, was he wrong in talking about the member countries paying their share of the debt? We are not the international piggy bank for security concerns around the world. NATO wanted President Trump to comfort their collective fears that the US won’t abandon them.
I see no difference between the dependency culture in our domestic affairs and what exists in our foreign affairs. Extending and funding the welfare state is unsustainable domestically, and we sure cannot sustain it internationally.
Corporate welfare for the Trump Kushner clan and their Goldman Sachs Bros.
I’m sure that meant something to you but it is a throwaway statement. You still haven’t answered the questions I asked. Either you can back them up or you cannot. Come on, you got this.
Yes, yes he was wrong with NATO, because that is not how NATO works. Countries don’t pay into NATO. There is no debt “owed.” It is true that countries have not been meeting the goal on % of GDP spent on military, as they agreed to (arguably aspirational, not firmly). Its one thing to say, “countries must increase their security expenditures to meet their commitments. But Germany and the other countries that have thus far failed to invest as much as they should do not “owe us” anything.
That’s just semantics. If a mall requires store owners to pay for fire and security protection and several stores fail to meet their obligation, it puts the entire mall at risk. Our NATO allies must fully commit to the % of GDP AND PAY. What’s the alternative? Pull out of NATO? Should we not want our President to be firm regarding the best interests of our country? Is he wrong to state we are not the world’s police force?
Trump was correct. The whining has become so ludicrous, I’m waiting for a “breaking news” report that ‘Trump Farted In the Oval Office’ any day now. It will probably come with anonymous sources and audio.
You are of course speaking of the Deep Party Leakers implanted by your Fuhrer Obama while Hillary lined her pockets. The difference is fact not fiction and the ability to spell.
Song Lyrics:
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Let’s take a stand
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Went to a mosque, gonna throw some rocks
Tell the Ayatollah, “Gonna put you in a box!”
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Ol’ Uncle Sam’s gettin’ pretty hot
Time to turn Iran into a parking lot
Bomb Iran. Bomb, bomb, bomb,
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Our country’s got a feelin’
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Call the volunteers; call the bombadiers;
Call the financiers; better get their ass in gear
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(Let’s nuke ’em! Whoo!)
Call on our allies to cut off their supplies
Get our hands untied, and bring em’ back alive
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Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran (Stavro Arrgolus)
Beach Boys Nyet? Excellent! Maybe Ariana will record as it was her fans they killed. Just joking ….sort of.
Ariana Grande Says “I Hate Americans. I Hate America.” After Appearing to Lick On-Display Doughnuts
Grande’s love interest also appeared to lick an unpurchased doughnut in the footage.
Ariana Grande likes the taste of doughnuts, but she “hates” America and Americans.
In security footage obtained by TMZ, the pop singer was in a doughnut shop and appeared to lick unpurchased doughnuts on a display rack twice while the shop’s employee wasn’t looking.
Ariana Grande Demands Respect With Feminist Twitter Post: “I Do Not Belong to Anyone But Myself”
Grande was accompanied by three friends, and the footage shows her kissing one of the two men, who also appeared to lick one of the doughnuts. Grande laughed out loud after he seemingly licked a doughnut and walked away.
When the shop employee returned with a new tray of doughnuts, Grande asked, “What the f— is that?”
“I hate Americans,” she continued. “I hate America.”
What happens when some Muslim bomber blows up the Supreme Court building on the day in which oral arguments are made?
More likely one of your home grown alt right white terrorists
You are of course speaking of the white ID leadership of the fascist left? Schumer, Pelosi etc.
George
Where were you when that mutt Scalia ‘interpreted’? Primarily what the courts are doing is separating the hatred inspired promises of Trump to the dupes that voted him in from the laws as set forth in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. There is no way it was necessary to spout this hatred against Muslims complete with a ban on Muslims, etc in order to tighten up security. Trump used mindless hatred and mindless fear to latch onto mindless Americans who contributed to this our greatest shame to date. That’s why the courts are there, check and balance.
You have the audacity to speak ill of Justice Scalia and call Trump supporters names? The diarrhea spewing from your mouth is based on emotion NOT the law, Constitution nor The Bill of Rights! Seek therapy!
FOX NEWS show Trump supporters are shrinking in numbers as the buffooon stumbles and stumbles and stumbles.
We haven’t reduced in numbers, we have gone to OAN and other non cable stations. Sorry to disappoint. 🙄
Hope you have gone under a rock.
Another rude Liberal…imagine my shock. Oh wait…🤔
Why would we go under a rock, that would already be your safe space.
”There is no way it was necessary to spout this hatred against Muslims complete with a ban on Muslims, etc in order to tighten up security. ”
LOL Actually, there was. It was calculated campaign rhetoric… I did not vote for him.. but, at that point, little was really mindless in his speeches….
I find it interesting to watch the near global line up against him, at least among those who can grab headlines and like Obama,who scurries off to Berlin so he can slam The Donald while he is in Brussels. I see no one who is not craven, not put in by big transnational business interests. Two who chomped at the bit, pulled at the bridle to denounce him last year, pursed their little mouths and spat, Khan of London and Hidalgo of Paris, craven as can be. Both.
I detest the massive (and endless it had become) incoming, the Farooks (San Bernardino) the Abedis (Manchester) and what they do, the lies… but I did laugh the day the terrorist made it inside the bowels of Louvre on the very day Hidalgo was making a pitch for Olympics in Paris. Bet she had to take a pill, or two, to get thru the day. Somebody rammed her day down her throat.
One odd thing, we’ve had leaders even greasier than The Donald, but the hid it better. What surprises is how many fools think we had “statesmen”. Pathetic.
It was the mindless for the mindless. Of course the ringmaster of the circus knew exactly what he was doing. He was playing to the mindless anger of the frustrated citizen. America just had too many. You can blame the American dream, Bush for accelerating its downfall, or Obama for not cleaning up fast enough and riding the same old horse. But one thing is more true every day. Trump is the worst of them all, the worst oligarch of all the oligarchs that preceded him. The fact that he screamed reform and went even further in the direction he preached against is what makes him so despicable and dangerous. Right now in the US it is a case of all politicians being bought and paid for, Obama included. The question is competence and Trump has only shown that in reading the American anger and frustration. In addressing the cause of the problems, he has nothing to offer but making them worse. Everything he has presented will have to be rectified at an even greater cost. Health care will spiral out of control. Chaos creates only opportunities for the fast buck, by the rich, and corporate fraud. Trump is chaos.
I disliked Trump back to the era of Bonwit Teller. He pretty clearly is what he is. Obama on the other hand, sold himself, with great assistance from media and PTB, as everything from Roosevelt, Truman to a rescuing Black Reagan, or our very own communal black priest, older brother. LOL Black overseer, kap.
I won’t even bother with Bush 1, 2 and the Clinton mass of congealing flesh.
This country has never been interested a competent, coherent health care system. Under Obama, who held sway were the insurance companies and the huge hospital systems. And put in place was a band-aid cobble together that was bound to fall apart. It fell apart for the middle class who could not access the subsidised care. Between monthly premiums and high high deductibles, it was killing.
I never said Trump is a solution, he is not, but I sure do understand why people voted for him. And I notice almost all my friends (I used to be a Democrat) are viciously dismissive of his voters. At their peril, I say.
Hillary?, a rolling spewing mess.
should be “kapo”
Hey Hey The Clones are back so Collective what does your programmer have for us today besides more stupidity. REJECTED
The judicial branch contributes generally to checks and balances by assuring that actions comport with law.
The judicial branch has no authority to legislate or modify legislation for any reason.
The judicial branch has no authority to legislate on “moral” or any other grounds.
The legislative branch writes the law and every citizen and organization must follow the law –
including the judicial branch.
The Founders did not establish two legislative branches or two executive branches.
You and your ilk deliberately “misunderstand” the documents and the intent of the Founders
in order to lay claim to the power to “interpret.”
You have no power to “interpret” and the judicial branch has no power to legislate through “interpretation”
or “legislate from the bench.”
You are immutably wrong.
Most of the judicial branch is guilty of “…high Crimes and Misdemeanors” (crimes of high office) and must be impeached for dereliction, debasement, nullification, usurpation and subversion.
Article 2, Section 4
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors
Ridiculous. The epitome of “overreach.”
Most of the judicial branch must be impeached for usurpation.
The Founders created three DIFFERENT branches of government.
The judicial branch has no authority to legislate or modify legislation.
The judicial branch is not co-equal and its only function is to assure that actions comport with law.
The English language does not require “interpretation.”
“Interpretation” is a scam by the judicial branch to engage in “overreach.”
The judicial branch just re-wrote that law.
The Constitution and law clearly provide the President with the
power to implement his immigration measures.
This an act of aggression by the judicial branch; an act of insurrection; an act of war.
“We remain unconvinced [the ban] has more to do with national security than it does with effectuating the President’s promised Muslim ban.” Chief Justice Roger L. Gregory added that “Congress granted the president broad power to deny entry to aliens, but that power is not absolute. It cannot go unchecked when, as here, the president wields it through an executive edict that stands to cause irreparable harm to individuals across this nation.”
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Known Roger for years when he practiced law with Wilder & Gregory. (Yeah that “Wilder” as in Doug Wilder as in first A-A Va Governor since reconstruction Wilder). Great guy but a dyed-in-the-wool liberal. The 4th Circuit used to be reliably conservative, now it’s a mixed bag of judges. We’ll see what happens in the last game on First St NE.
“Mixed bag” is being generous if you look at the makeup of the court. Solid majority Obama and Clinton appointees.
It has been some time since the 4th Circuit has been among the most conservative of the Circuits. Of the 13 judges who participated in the decision, 6 were appointed by President Obama. All 6 were in the majority. In addition, 3 other judges, all in the majority, were appointed by President Clinton. Chief Judge Gregory who authored the opinion for the court, was a recess appointment by President Clinton and was later given a regular appointment by President George W. Bush. Ten of 13 active judges selected by Democratic presidents does not sound like a conservative court to me.
Spot on, Vince. Turley is being disingenuous by calling this a “conservative” court. The votes were strictly along party lines and, sadly, the Fourth Circuit is now one of the more liberal circuits in the nation. That is the ONLY reason the bad guys prevailed!
This will make a lot of people happy. Just like in Europe.
Unbelievable.
The emperor clown is tired of winning.
Maybe the courts don’t want us to miss all this culture:
https://youtu.be/jGLWrvjc9cM
There’s a horrifying shot.
Probably fake as Sean Hannity
Well, I cannot speak to where it was shot, but I clearly remember the procession with similar self flagellation that was “allowed”, by us, in Iraq, quite quickly after we “conquered” our route in……. a fundamentalist insane religious practice that Saddam had banned, but we gloriously allowed.
Of course at that time it was presented to us on cable as us freeing religious expression.
Don’t make me laugh too hard.
Hannity appears to be a miserable little ”Irish ratter”, as I call that type. Pretty sure that is what he is.
Does the initial G come to mind?
“G” ? No it doesn’t…
Shot in Litton part of London, Uk.
There are several more videos on YouTube showing the English buildings and the Muslim party in the streets. Islam means “submission”, this is their way to dominate and scare the English culture. Embrace the diversity!
England colonized them.
And your point is what? They deserved it? Is that what all the Islamophobia caterwauling is about?
London, that makes sense, overloaded as it is….
“part and parcel of living in a big city” in the West nowadays…as is having some of these fine tolerant gentlemen blow up your children at an Ariana Grande concert. Way to Go 4th and 9th Circuit! Leave our doors wide open for Syria’s finest, Libya’s finest, Iran’s finest; yup what we gotta lose? A few kids here and there? eh..small price to pay for such political victories.
Only Justice Kennedy knows.
what happens to this court when the supreme court overturns their judgement.
Do Judges read the news, look around, see TV broadcasts of yet another attack on the innocent? Listening yesterday afternoon (the new Bolling show) one of the guests said the President can stop people from hostile countries coming here. Carter did that when he banned Iranian students on Visas.
Apparently not.
They don’t care! People should protest outside their homes and courts where they work. Let them know the American people are not happy with the decisions they are making against the American people.
I’d like to say when the sh*^ hits the fan they’ll change their minds, but that has already happened here and they don’t seem to care.
Federal judges don’t care because it doesn’t affect them personally. Yes, we will get increased European-style terror attacks, but the innocents killed will be at malls, sporting events, nightclubs, subways, and the like. The judges who write these decisions are insolated from the dangers that everyday Americans face. Have you ever seen Justice Kennedy out in public? On the subway? I’ve lived in D.C. for 20+ years, and no, you never see these people in the same environs as the rest of us.
vote these people out of office the next time they run.