Did the FBI Have A Source In The Trump Campaign?

136px-US-FBI-ShadedSeal_svg donald_trump_president-elect_portrait_croppedThe founders of Fusion GPS (which compiled the Trump dossier with money from Hillary Clinton and the DNC) has caused a stir with an op-ed in The New York Times calling for Congress to release transcripts of their testimony last summer.  I favor such a release to give greater transparency on the facts underlying the allegations over both the Trump and Clinton campaigns.  I have criticized both parties for managing the information and pushing investigations on one side while obstructing investigations on the other side.  However, six words in the op-ed raise a far more interesting prospect: they say that there may have been an insider cooperating with the FBI during the campaign.  That would be a highly significant development if the source was a true cooperative witness funneling information to the Bureau during the presidential campaign.

Of course, the Papadopoulos does not entirely square with the infamous meeting at Trump Tower in June 2016.  That meeting with Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort and a Russian-American lobbyist named Rinat Akhmetshin (and others) was premised on disclosing dirt on Clinton from the Russian government.  The premise of the meeting would suggest that the Trump people did not have the information and the meeting was reportedly a brief one after the Russians wanted to talk primarily about sanctions.  The record suggests that Papadopoulos was speaking about Russian dirt in May but, in June, top Trump people were still eager to learn what the dirt might be.
The reference in the op-ed could well be a reference to the fact that the Australians reportedly let U.S. intelligence know about the drunken exchange with Papadopoulos in London.  Hopefully, the public will get more details on such allegations in the coming months.

110 thoughts on “Did the FBI Have A Source In The Trump Campaign?”

  1. The Comey was a big fan of undercovers. Old NYT article about the abuse of undercovers by him in 2014, look it up.

    Does it not strike people as odd that free speech does not cover obtaining potentially relevant information on opposition candidates, in both directions?

    Of course it’s only the US that can push its thumb on the scales of an election in foreign countries, not vice versa.

  2. The FBI has all sorts of scorces, agents, spies, co conspirators, killers, smugglers, thieves, and you name it in our society and in our government.
    Read the books about the Martin Luther King assassination. Read the one by James Earl Ray’s brother. You can get it on Amazon for a very low price.
    All that did not die with J. Edgar Hoover.
    It lives on today.

    1. So the FBI turned Kushner in 2015 ?

      Get a clue. These claims have to make sense.
      Sure the FBI might have been able to put someone in the mail room at trump tower.
      You really think they are going to get someone into Trump’s inner circle ?

  3. Riddle me this right-wing idealists where’s Rudy G? Someone in Trump’s camp was talking to the FBI during the campaign. Whats becoming clearer day after day is that someone is saving his or her ass before Trump throws them under the bus.

    1. Right, the FBI had a secret high level informer in the Trump campaign.
      And neither they nor any real evidence of collusion have been liked in 2 years.
      These investigations leak like a sieve.
      We already know everything of consequences that is true. What we do not know is what of what we think is true is actually false.

      Regardless, your entire argument presumes there is a there there.
      i.e. it is a circular argument.

  4. Bottom line is a matter of waiting for two things maybe three.

    Not will but when Huma Gotcha will decide Hillary isn’t worth the prison time and turn states evidence.

    What the Congress does with the DACA executive order of Obama to make it legal AND will the left obstruc the effort

    California has now been declared a “state” of Interest by an enforcement arm of the Federal Government and named Moonbeam as the Chief Conspirator. Will start saturating.

  5. Yes! Rats like cheese! They will come to the honey pot.

    Let me elicitate for the incompetence & recompense of those who suffered. Would the FBI espouse a rat, be worthy of a cause? Reward a rat & they will do tricks.

    1. Which means what to me besides old stale nothing from another left winger trying to divert attention from Huma Gotcha and when she will turn States Evidence and the Cartel of Cards comes tumbling down.

  6. The Australians told the FBI about Papadopoulos after Wikileaks posted the hacked DNC emails in July of 2016. The FBI started its investigation of Russian attempts to cultivate Trump campaign officials immediately after the tip from the Australians in July of 2016. Fusion GPS hired Chistopher Steele after Wikileaks posted the hacked DNC emails in July of 2016. Steele filed his first intel report with the FBI in August of 2016–several weeks after the FBI had started its investigation and also several weeks after Fusion GPS had hired Steele.

    This necessarily means that the entire brouhaha over the Steele dossier as though it were the sole basis for initiating the FBI investigation into Russian attempts to cultivate Trump campaign officials was a risible red herring in the first place. And now Turley wants to know if Papadopoulos was cooperating with the FBI back in July of 2016 when the Aussies tipped the FBI off about Papadopoulos. Could it be? Shall one suppose?

    The FBI received actionable intelligence from one of our Five Eyes allies that was in the vital national security interests of The United States of America and the FBI actually did their sworn duty and started an investigation. Could it be? Shall one suppose?

    Suppose that the FBI had stuck its collective head in the sand instead? Can you spell gross dereliction of duty? Do you know what gross dereliction of duty means? But that didn’t happen The FBI did its sworn duty. Any Americans pedaling the deep-state conspiracy theory about a crooked FBI with a partisan political witch hunt is doing no good for his or her country. I’m looking at you, Mr. President. I’m looking at you.

    1. It is an interesting ethical/legal question as to what the intelligence gathering organizations should report and to whom. Ostensibly they collect everything all the time and would have known about communications with the Russians in real time. I wonder who makes the decisions to report or not report.

      As an aside, I marvel at Trump’s questions about factual issues when the same intelligence gathering organizations are at his disposal and could provide the answers at the drop of a hat.

      1. Al O’Heem said, “It is an interesting ethical/legal question as to what the intelligence gathering organizations should report and to whom.”

        Happy New Year, Al O’Heem!

        Once the Australians tipped the FBI off about Papadopoulos, they had no choice but to start a counter-intelligence investigation. I seriously doubt that James B. Comey would have made a public announcement about the existence of that investigation before the election–Lordy, no! Meanwhile, I presume that the U.S. intelligence community has already informed The POTUS of each and every last one of the relevant facts that Trump publicly disputes. Think of the U. S. intelligence community as just another of Trump’s Tweet muses. “They’d better hope there are no tapes.”

    2. ‘may have had’ is turned into another more carefully composed pile of non facts by one of the left’s programmers … It may be safely disregarded ad just another way to deflect the Huma Gotcha revelation of yesterday. too many supppose that and suppose this and other escape hatch words to be worth considering as supported information. So what else is new from The Collective…Tune in tomorrow for a different version.

    3. re: ” Fusion GPS hired Chistopher Steele after Wikileaks posted the hacked DNC emails in July of 2016. Steele filed his first intel report with the FBI in August of 2016–several weeks after the FBI had started its investigation and also several weeks after Fusion GPS had hired Steele.”:

      Your timeline is off. Fusion hired Steele in early June and some his reports have June dates.

      1. terrance terrell said, “Your timeline is off. Fusion hired Steele in early June and some his reports have June dates.”

        According to the Wikipedia article on Fusion GPS, terrance terrell is correct on the date of hire for Steele:

        “In June 2016, Fusion GPS retained Christopher Steele, a private British corporate intelligence investigator and former MI-6 agent, to research any Russian connections to Trump. Steele produced a 35-page series of memos from June to December 2016, which became the document known as the Donald Trump–Russia dossier.”

      2. terrance terrell said, “Your timeline is off. Fusion hired Steele in early June and some his reports have June dates.”

        Here’s two relevant paragraphs from David Corn’s article in Mother Jones on October 31st, 2016:

        “This was, the former spy remarks, ‘an extraordinary situation.’ He regularly consults with US government agencies on Russian matters, and near the start of July on his own initiative—without the permission of the US company that hired him—he sent a report he had written for that firm to a contact at the FBI, according to the former intelligence officer and his American associates, who asked not to be identified. (He declines to identify the FBI contact.) The former spy says he concluded that the information he had collected on Trump was “sufficiently serious” to share with the FBI.

        The former intelligence officer says the response from the FBI was ‘shock and horror.’ The FBI, after receiving the first memo, did not immediately request additional material, according to the former intelligence officer and his American associates. Yet in August, they say, the FBI asked him for all information in his possession and for him to explain how the material had been gathered and to identify his sources. The former spy forwarded to the bureau several memos—some of which referred to members of Trump’s inner circle. After that point, he continued to share information with the FBI. ‘It’s quite clear there was or is a pretty substantial inquiry going on,’ he says.”

        So Steele sent the FBI his first intel report “near the start of July,” 2016. However, the second paragraph states that the FBI asked for all of Steele’s information in August of 2016. I appreciate the correction. But I don’t think it changes the argument much.

      3. According to the Wikileaks article on the cyber attacks on the DNC:

        “Cyber attacks that successfully penetrated the DNC computing system began in 2015. Attacks by “Cozy Bear” began in the summer of 2015. Attacks by “Fancy Bear” began in April 2016. It was after the “Fancy Bear” group began their activities that the compromised system became apparent. Both were finally identified by CrowdStrike in May 2016.”

        Given that CrowdStrike was hired by the DNC to expel the hackers from the DNC email system in May of 2016, the error in the timeline that I posted and that terrance terrell corrected is a relatively minor detail.

    4. You seem like a smart guy, no sarcasm. Is there a “criminal conspiracy” if Trump’s team (Don Jr., etc) agreed to meet a Russian person who promised dirt on HRC? If yes, post the statute please, otherwise, fail.

      If yes, and IF THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED, then let the chips fall. IF ABOVE IS WHAT JR. DID and IF THAT DEFINES A CRIME, then Jr. is one stupid ass hat. It means Jr. is an ass hat, and Trump is an ass hat only for hiring Jr. (Trump was dumb to fire Comey, and for meeting with Comey privately, but that’s a different story.)

      How does anything you posted give HRC and the DNC a criminal “pass” for hiring a foreigner (Steele) to write a false narrative about Trump, with Russia supplying the dirty lies? If that happened, as we know it did, how the hell is that not a pack of felony crimes?

      1. JoJo said, “How does anything you posted give HRC and the DNC a criminal “pass” for hiring a foreigner (Steele) to write a false narrative about Trump, with Russia supplying the dirty lies?

        It doesn’t.

        The Australians told the FBI about Papadopoulos after Wikileaks posted the hacked DNC emails in July of 2016. The FBI started its investigation of Russian attempts to cultivate Trump campaign officials immediately after the tip from the Australians in July of 2016.

        The FBI received actionable intelligence from one of our Five Eyes allies that was in the vital national security interests of The United States of America and the FBI actually did their sworn duty and started an investigation.

        No pass for HRC/DNC, no pass for Trump.

    5. Every single thesis that keeps this witchhunt alive requires the FBI to have kept damning information regarding Trump secret for almost two years – when nothing else about this investigation has been kept secret – not even the lies.

      BTW the political corruption and malfeasance at FBI and DOJ is solidly rooted in evidence at this point.
      The extent of that malfeasand and whether it was a conspiracy is the only unknown. But the likelyhood of a dozen or more actors accidentally acting in concert is very small.

      1. dhlii, Either the FBI can keep a secret or the FBI can’t keep a secret. Which do you prefer? Both? Or neither?

    6. L4D:
      Papa was so critical to the in emotion of their investigation that intelligence chief Clapper has no idea who he is. By the way, your source of sources, the NYT told us the dossier prompted the probe but who are they to disputes you?

        1. “With whom did the Times conduct the interviews? What were the circumstances? Who contacted whom? How can this story have remained dormant until today? The Times doesn’t say.

          What are the “previously undisclosed documents”? The Times doesn’t say it directly, but the documents do not demonstrate how the counterintelligence investigation started. They do not establish the story’s thesis.

          How can any informed observer take this seriously? We await the disclosure of genuine evidence rather than obvious spin. We don’t have nearly enough information to arrive at a definitive judgment. We must keep our minds open until we are privy to it. In time I may be proved wrong. Yet I don’t think it is rash to say that this Times story is some kind of a joke.”

          http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/12/the-times-diversion.php

          1. If the Times story is some kind of joke, then why is Papadopoulos a cooperating witness for the Special Counsel’s investigation?

  7. This is a twin story. There does appear to be collusion between the FBI and Clinton campaign so it would not be out of line to suspect an FBI mole in this case. We will need to see what happens. What is clear is that no one has clean hands here, not Clinton, not Trump, not the FBI.

    The FBI should be held to account for all of their illegal behavior. They are not abiding by our laws. They are a completely out of control agency and they must be held to legal authority. BTW, the DOJ seems up to their neck in this as well.

    I don’t care if you hate Trump or love him. If an out of control “justice” system is acceptable to you, you are enabling the destruction of your own society. Pull out of your partisanship and start caring about your nation. This is a crisis.

    1. No it’s just another diversion from the Huma Gotcha revelation of yesterday and not done as well as the other DNC programmers. It has the escape hatch word of collusion which legally means nothing but a conversation but does it signal the left turning against the FBI as it did it’s black faction? Much ado about nothing but trying to advance The Party by any means possible. Which is the definition of fascism.

    2. very true Jill re “I don’t care if you hate Trump or love him. If an out of control “justice” system is acceptable to you, you are enabling the destruction of your own society. Pull out of your partisanship and start caring about your nation. This is a crisis.”

      Cancerous tentacles need to be cut off and a mass cauterization to fix the corruption

    3. What constitutes unclean hands – wanting Dirt on Clinton – even from the russians ?
      All cede that. But if that is illegal Clinton is going to hell.

      Anything beyond that on Trump requires alot of highly improbable things – not the least of which is having kept secret for 2 years when nothing in this stays secret for 30sec.

  8. “If Trump’s alleged “collusion” with Putin to damage Clinton was worthy of an all-out FBI investigation, why did the Clinton-DNC scheme to tie Trump to Russian prostitutes, using British spies and former KGB agents, not merit an FBI investigation?

    Why was there less concern about the Clinton campaign’s ties to Russian agents, than to Trumpian “collusion” that is yet unproven?

    Consider what the British spy Steele and his former KGB/FSB comrades accomplished:

    They have kept alive a special counsel’s investigation that has divided our country, imperiled the FBI’s reputation, preoccupied and damaged a president, and partially paralyzed the U.S. government.

    Putin must be marveling at the astonishing success of his old comrades from KGB days, who could pull off an intelligence coup like this and so cripple the superpower that won the Cold War.”

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-03/buchanan-blasts-times-ride-muellers-rescue

    1. Trump at the helm of MAGA- Putin has to be laughing (and, all of the Russian people and all of the those who watched the “Can we be second” video parodies of Trump.

        1. The comment followed up on Autumn’s, “Putin marveling at …the crippling of (the U.S.)”.
          Michael, thanks for encouraging me not to diminish the severity of the situation by referencing video spoofs.

    1. I just saw a CNN Headline quoting Trump as saying that “Bannon has lost his mind”. 😄😂
      Now the debate will shift to which one is crazier.
      These guys seem to believe in, and practice, Mutually Assured Destruction.

      1. Michael A.,
        The same story about Washington Free Beacon, or the Jeb Bush campaign, or a “Republican megadonor” initially funding the Russian Dossier project doesn’t need to be true.
        It just needs to be repeated again and again to serve its purpose.
        And there is no shortage of parrots willing to repeat that claim.

        1. And, there it is again – one of the hackneyed tactics of the right. Take the criticism directed at them and volley it back without alteration. The other three (2) generalizing from a single incident to indict the whole (developed by Limbaugh) (3) the continuing headline and, (4) what about…ism, attributed to Russian influence.

          1. No don’t give them credit it was from the independent moderates of the Constiutional Center and looks like it hit the target dead center. I notice the attempt at imitating calm rationality has disappeared as well.

            Huma Gotcha
            Huma Gotcha

            1. The descriptor, ditto head, has greater originality and wit than “parrot”. The latter reflects the sheer genius, of the right. (sarcasm)

    1. Christopher Steele was contacted by Fusion GPS to compile the Russian Dossier AFTER the GOP stopped using Fusion.
      There is no evidence that the “Russian Dossier phase” of Fusion’s oppsition research was funded by the GOP.
      There is now plenty of evidence showing payments from the DNC and Clinton election campaign through Perkins-Coie to Fusion GPS- to Christopher Steele.

  9. Today is the day that the FBI has to respond to the House subpoenas.

    The information requested would go a long way towards clearing up the questions that we all have.

    Bet that their response will be – at best – half hearted. Time for Congress to respond with contempt charges.

    The Pinkos will howl about Congress acting, but as always will keep silent about the partisan elements in the FBI.

    Watch Ken and other Pinkos rise to new heights of indignation in fake dialect (by the way is Ken really that dumb or does he just pretend?).

    1. “Pinkos”, are they one and the same with Allan’s “stalinistas”?

      Will Congress release the Fusion GPS testimony record in entirety or, will the Republicans continue to selectively release partial testimony to right wing media?

      1. Grassley said the record would be release along time ago.

        Regardless rather than offering a breathless conspiracy Fusion could just tell us what they testified to that was so damning.

        There is nothing damning in Fusions testimony – or they would have released it BEFORE the election to tank Trump.

            1. It’s a moving target. New information has come to light. Stay fluid. Don’t get overly invested in previous guesswork gone awry. Try to keep up. Quit your whining.

        1. The following exerpts from the opinion/editorial linked above demonstrate the several points that dhlii intentionally, deliberately on purpose misses:

          “We don’t believe the Steele dossier was the trigger for the F.B.I.’s investigation into Russian meddling. As we told the Senate Judiciary Committee in August, our sources said the dossier was taken so seriously because it corroborated reports the bureau had received from other sources, including one inside the Trump camp.

          The intelligence committees have known for months that credible allegations of collusion between the Trump camp and Russia were pouring in from independent sources during the campaign. Yet lawmakers in the thrall of the president continue to wage a cynical campaign to portray us as the unwitting victims of Kremlin disinformation.

          We suggested investigators look into the bank records of Deutsche Bank and others that were funding Mr. Trump’s businesses. Congress appears uninterested in that tip: Reportedly, ours are the only bank records the House Intelligence Committee has subpoenaed.

          We told Congress that from Manhattan to Sunny Isles Beach, Fla., and from Toronto to Panama, we found widespread evidence that Mr. Trump and his organization had worked with a wide array of dubious Russians in arrangements that often raised questions about money laundering. Likewise, those deals don’t seem to interest Congress.

          We explained how, from our past journalistic work in Europe, we were deeply familiar with the political operative Paul Manafort’s coziness with Moscow and his financial ties to Russian oligarchs close to Vladimir Putin.

          Finally, we debunked the biggest canard being pushed by the president’s men — the notion that we somehow knew of the June 9, 2016, meeting in Trump Tower between some Russians and the Trump brain trust. We first learned of that meeting from news reports last year — and the committees know it. They also know that these Russians were unaware of the former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele’s work for us and were not sources for his reports.”

          Point 1) The FBI and, by extension, the Special Counsel have a solid national-security basis for investigating Russia’s attempts to cultivate Trump campaign officials.

          Point 2) It is possible that the Russians have compromising information about Trumps business deals with Russians that could be leveraged to extort foreign policy concessions from Trump that would be favorable to The Russian Federation.

          Point 3) Fusion GPS claims that they had no prior knowledge of the June 9, 2016, meeting in Trump Tower between some Russians and the Trump brain trust; and that the Congressional Republicans already know from their testimony that Fusion GPS claims that they had no prior knowledge of the June 9, 2016, meeting in Trump Tower. But the Congressional Republicans have selectively leaked to Trump’s media allies information that fuels the “theory” that Fusion GPS was attempting to “entrap” Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort into accepting Natalia Veselnitskaya’s Kremlin-fabricated criminal charges against Bill Browder and the Ziff brothers.

    2. Nunes is a T rump orange agent. He is not pink but orange. California rebublicans will be going going gone in November. Nunes can lobby for da Ruskies.

        1. Is the labeling, “pinkos, stalinistas, and collectives” interchangeable?
          Just a tip- communication, when precise, is more effective. Trump provides a poor model but Holly Hicks, a former model, performs well.

    3. I don’t believe Ken is pretending. He appears to be in cognitive decline. Reverting to baby talk is a primary feature of a neurocognitive disorder. Sad to watch his struggle to communicate, but good for him for trying. 😉

    4. “Persona – The Mask We Wear”

      “Carl Jung said that, ‘The persona is that which in reality one is not, but which oneself as well as others think one is.” Robert Johnson refers to the persona as our “psychological clothing.” The persona refers to that aspect of the ego that we present to the world for its approval. It is like a mask and we can hide behind it.

      The word “persona” comes from the Greek word for the large masks that early Greek actors would use to portray their characters. With audiences in the big Greek amphitheater the nuances of performances could easily be lost. The primary function of the mask was not to hide the actor but give information about the character. The persona is the mask or role that a person plays in society. While it gives information it can be used to hide the ego.

      As a social role the concept of the persona is useful in allowing an individual to move in and out of relationships without being too vulnerable. A persona can be the oil to ease potential social friction. A persona provides for some predictability of relationship. For example, the personas of doctor and patient or of student and teacher can be useful in knowing what to do, when, and where. Other examples of the persona are: mother, father, husband, wife, lawyer, judge, policeman, baker. A persona becomes a problem only when a person becomes too attached to it and can not put it aside. For example, when someone who is a judge is a “judge” all the time at work and at home. Or perhaps, a teacher who is in her role all the time. When a person cannot move flexibly between roles then the persona not only hides the person from others but also from himself. It is difficult for such a person to have appropriate self-knowledge.

      An overemphasis on the persona not only blocks avenues of communication between people but also between the ego and the darker aspects of the personality that need to be acknowledged. These darker aspects are represented by the shadow.”
      _________________________________

      I’m thinking something more along the lines of schizophrenia and deep psychosis.

  10. Da first sentence is wrong wrong wrong. Free Beacon started da investigation for da republican operatives. Hills DN of C picked it up 8 months later.

  11. Was if da source was informing on
    Mobster Pauly Walnuts Manafort activities? Do mobsters get da pass if they work for da T rump?

      1. Reportedly, ancestral oppressor saliva at a greater than 50% ratio, prohibits commenting. Have the “we people” been checked by Paul?
        If illiteracy prevents the “we people” from posting, I haven’t observed it. Although, CV Brown reported that he found a way around attempts to prevent his comments.
        Hope this info. is helpful.

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