Finally . . . Roy Moore Sued For Defamation

Judge_Roy_MooreSince the first allegations (and denials) in the Roy Moore allegations surfaced, I have speculated on when either Moore or one of the women would sue. As I discussed recently, Moore had promised to sue for defamation but he thus far failed to keep that promise.  Similarly, Gloria Allred has been blustering about lawsuits without filing on behalf of her clients.  Now, however, one of the women has sued and we may be able to get some answers under oath for the first time in the scandal.  Leigh Corfman accused Moore of molesting her when she was 14 and he was in his 30s. She has now filed in court.  The only thing that has been abundantly clear in this controversy is someone is lying.  It is time to try to find out who that is.

Corfman is not seeking financial damages beyond legal costs, but instead is asking for a public apology from Moore and an injunction on him or his campaign publicly attacking her in the future, according to The Washington Post.

Of course, Moore has not even conceded the election (despite the results being finalized by Republican officials).  It has now been almost a month since he lost.

Instead of fulfilling his pledge to file for defamation, Moore filed a meritless complaint with the federal court seeking to postpone the certification of Doug Jones as the winner of the election.  In the complaint, he represented that he took a polygraph that proved his innocence (an irrelevant addition to the election fraud complaint). However, he and his staff have refused to release the polygraph or details on the test.  His spokeswomen, who has previously made bizarre statements on behalf of Moore, insisted that the test completely vindicated Moore but could offer nothing on who administered the test or what was asked:

 

Of course, lie detector or polygraph results are generally inadmissible in court.  We will have the far more probative evidence of live testimony if this case moves forward to deposition and trial.  If Moore’s team is correct, he has nothing to fear and everything to gain.

Moore has continued to raise money for his election challenge despite the certification of Jones and his admission to the Senate. As for his long promised defamation lawsuit, the clock is still ticking.

65 thoughts on “Finally . . . Roy Moore Sued For Defamation

  1. This is in reply to Linda; I’m starting at the top to escape the last column prison, where “reply” buttons cease. She wrote:

    “If a hypothetical guy demanded a voter, vote for him and the voter said “no”, he might claim that she didn’t remember the incident correctly i.e. that after she said “no”, the guy, then, clubbed her in the head and drug her to his cave. Furthering the point, the alleged incident related to enemies in a duopoly, which provoked the mis-memory. Patrick, you will no doubt correct the scenario to point out that dizzy teens are too young to vote (making it no less a reach).

    “Off topic…just curious -Since you have identified yourself as a Southern thinker, an acquaintance of mine, raised in the South, once described Northerners as stabbing a person from the front as contrasted with Southerners’ preference for a stab in the back. Merit or no merit, to his observation?”

    I don’t understand the comparison, but it’s clear you are strenuously missing my central point, which is that Moore was an honorable man looking for a wife in the only sector he was likely to find one–ie teenaged girls. He, being maladroit, and with no dating skills, and the girls, being inexperienced dating older men, no doubt found himself in frustrating situations, and quarrels.

    Half a century later one of those prospective wives, who hates his politics, makes claims about one of those hypothetical quarrels, with the intent on destroying him. She never did it before, when he was a prominent figure, but in the era of Trump, and the Democrat’s so-called “resistance” with the goal of impeaching him, she finally speaks up. This is ao outrageously suspect that I’m surprised anyone isn’t deeply skeptical.

    As to my status as a “Southern thinker,” I’ll tamp that one down. I see the South as a distinct culture that had every right to leave the union they voluntarily joined, and I despise the North for invading the South and attempting to obliterate that culture. But that’s theoretical–I’ve never lived in the South. My mother moved to Louisiana some decades back, though, and she told me what a co-worker of hers said: you know what the difference between a Yankee and a Damn Yankee is? Yankees visit the South; Damn Yankees come here and stay.

    They still resent what the North did to them, with good reason.

    As for the violence inherent in Southern culture, it so disgusted Mark Twain that he left the South, and wrote scathingly about it. There are delightful traits in the Southern way of life that I’d recommend the North adopt, but not everything.

    • Linda followed up with this:

      ““Stop tormenting the poor fellow, he was just trying to find” his next wife… did that work to diffuse accusers against Arkansan, Clinton?”

      Clinton was A) not maladroit–he had no excuse; B) he SURE wasn’t wife-shopping; and C) he was a rapist.

  2. Alternet has a video and article about NFL heiress Jacqueline Kent Cooke. Alternet reported that Cooke turned herself into police. Frequently, Turley posts about both rich and poor in odd situations. This Cooke story should be posted for those who castigate team players to the exclusion of sports owners and, for those who relish in the crimes of the poor and, ignore the bad behavior of the rich.

    • That photo of the lawyer with the blood on his head was horrid. Who does that? Cooke has a history of bad behavior. I haven’t seen the evidence, or the video, but the allegations are shocking. If true, she’s a savage entitled anti-semitic thug.

    • I forgot to add that Professor Turley writes about bad behavior across the spectrum, including among wealthy professionals. He is no classist.

  3. That’s what I’m talkin’ about.

    All his various victims should have sued lo those many decades ago

    or forever held their peace.

    • The FBI should investigate the fire at Tina Johnson’s house. We have every reason to believe that Moore has connections to White supremacists. We have every reason to believe that White supremacists are capable of arson in pursuit of vendetta.

      Hopefully Moore’s other accusers have adequate police protection. If not, private security protection. If not, send in the 101st Airborne Division–STAT. O! Damn! The POTUS is on White supremacists’ side. Somebody, somewhere, needs to do something to protect those women.

    • Could be a crazy neighbor who blamed her for Moore’s loss. A lone wolf?

      According to Johnson and neighbor Kevin Tallant, other neighbors witnessed a young man who had a history of public intoxication walking around the house before and during the blaze.

      “”The ongoing investigation does not lead us to believe that the fire is in any way related to Roy Moore or allegations made against him. More details will be released when warrants are obtained.”

      According to Johnson and neighbor Kevin Tallant, other neighbors witnessed a young man who had a history of public intoxication walking around the house before and during the blaze.

      He’s been trouble in the neighborhood for a while,” said Tallant, who lives across the street from Johnson and her family.”

      http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2018/01/roy_moore_accusers_home_burns.html

      • Thanks, Prairie Rose. The fire at Tina Johnson’s house could be a mere coincidence. Considering the extent of the fire damage, the young, drunken man would have to have started many small fires from outside the house. Since the neighbors say they saw him walking around the house before and during the fire, some of those neighbors should have seen the young, drunken man actually setting at least one of the many small fires it would’ve taken to cause that much fire damage. If so, then the arson investigation should lead to the young, drunken man’s arrest soon enough. If not, then Moore’s accusers should still take special precautions for their own safety. If any of Moore’s other accusers have fires at their houses, then the mere coincidence theory would have to be abandoned. Then we send in the FBI and the 101st Airborne.

      • That is awful. If the fire was arson, they could have killed someone. And momentos like photos that burn up in a fire are irreplaceable. A house is more than 4 walls; it’s a home full of memories.

        The fire department will be able to tell if it’s arson.

  4. Time for Moore’s shabby carnival sideshow to pack up its freaks and geeks and move on to another town. His two claims to fame are being a judge and being a Christian, yet he’s repeatedly demonstrated that he knows very little about the law and even less about Christianity.
    Anyway, now Moore has a third claim to fame — in some ways almost as miraculous as Jesus walking on water. Moore managed to hand the safest republican seat in the Senate to a democrat. Perhaps that was God’s response to Moore’s making declarations about who’s going to hell — which is the sort of judgment that most legitimate Christians would know is a judgment for God, not man, to make.

  5. Who represents Corfman? Hopefully not Alred or Bloom, or there will be an exacerbation of this circus. In most cases, these stories simply fade away and we never hear the relevant facts. Now, the public might actually get access to any facts they have on this bizarre situation. I hope the truth comes out and we get to know what happened. My main concerns were whether anyone was assaulted, and if any girls were pursued under age. I do not know Moore, but it sounds like we are all going to know him better.

    I wonder if President Trump reads your blog. Perhaps he filed the lawsuit against Wolfe in order to stand on record as to his opinion of the veracity of the piece and the facts of record.

  6. “Leigh Corfman accused Moore of molesting her when she was 14 and he was in his 30s. She has now filed in court. The only thing that has been abundantly clear in this controversy is someone is lying. It is time to try to find out who that is.”

    As I compose this comment, there are 19 others, all as dim as Jon’s.

    Turley calls it “abundantly clear” that someone is lying, and we need to know who it is. Absolutely false. It is not at all clear. This is a case of unfinished business from the war the North launched on the South. Yankees hate the South with a purple passion. NO One wants to know the truth, because it will expose the raw bigotry of the Yankees.

    First, young teen-aged girls in those days routinely lied about their age, to get into bars and meed older guys. So she might have been 14 and told him she was 17, and he had no way of knowing the truth.

    Second, a guy in his 30s in those days routinely married girls 18 or 19. Especially in the South. Jerry Lee Lewis being a particularly extreme example. But even my case was typical; I was born in 1060, in Chicago, and my Northern mother was 19 and my Northern father was 29. Not at all unusual in those days.

    Third, Moore was born in the Northwest corner of Alabama, at the edge of Appalachia, in a house with no running water, miles from town (the didn’t have running water until he was in High School). He was so poor that he couldn’t afford the fee for a locker, so he had to carry all his books all the time. He could certainly not afford a car, or any other means of dating girls.

    Later, he went to West Point, an all-male school, whose cadets were notorious maladroit when girls were brought in for social events. He had, in other words virtually zero dating experience. By the time he got home, and went to Law school, all the high school chicks he would have known were married off. When he got his big-shot job, he still felt like a hillbilly, unable to bring himself to mingle with the swells in the “big” city he grew up outside of.

    Where was he to turn?

    The point is that this is a culture-clash story, where self-righteous moderns (even in the New South) exercise their full-scale hatred for a culture that was completely normative within living memory–and the guy can’t tell his own story because of it. If he wrote what I just did, ho one has the heart to listen. The compassion.

    The girls, for the most part, and their mothers, thought he was quite a catch, being a big-shot and all in that corner of Alabama. They were of marrying age, after all, and he wasn’t too old for that time and place. Who else was available to him? He had to grow into his new social status, self-consciously, and time was passing swiftly for him.

    I find it reprehensible that Jonathan Turley has zero interest in understanding the story here.

    • A couple of typos and an additional thought. I’m not a thousand years old, and he grew up in NorthEAST Alabama.

      No one wants to discuss the truth about this matter because America does not want to face the real reason for Lincoln’s stinking war: the visceral hatred the North held for the culture of the South. Because that hatred never ended–belying the conventional “slavery” excuse for invading the South: it was to extinguish Southern culture.. The Yankees didn’t quite accomplish that, but won the propaganda war–and that’s why Moore can’t explain himself and have the public listen and understand. He did nothing wrong, in other words, but in the world as it has transformed since his youth, no one will listen; no one wants to understand him. So he stammers and equivocates, knowing the trap the new context has placed him in.

      I’ll bet no one reading this blog wants to see his side of historical reality either, and I expect to be attacked for telling it here. Good times.

      • Patrick, you make some interesting points. Remember the age of consent in Alabama is 16. There are 13 and 14 year old teenage females who can pass as 16 or even 18. Does anyone believe that a 14 year old Alabama teenager has never tried to pass as a 16 or 18 year old? Didn’t the Bonnie Prince Charley begin dating Princess Diana when he was 29 and she was 16? Didn’t the 33 year old Prince marry Diana at the time of her 20th birthday? Didn’t all this have the blessing of Queen Elizabeth? Couldn’t Patrick have a point as regards Roy Moore? Patrick, I find some of your theories quite credible.

    • Thank you for your perspective, Patrick. My mother was also 19 when she married. She was prohibited from drinking alcohol on her honeymoon.

      As stated earlier, my concern is whether anyone was assaulted, and if anyone wad underaged. Based on your contribution, I will amend that last to whether he knew anyone was under age. It’s still illegal, whether you know or not, but it does matter. As to his pursuit of any teenagers who were of age, that is not a concern of mine. Older men dating of-age teenagers was the norm back then, and we still see it now. And you are correct. Even when I was a girl, a great many teenagers had fake IDs and dated older guys. Many of them were under 16. I went out to dinner with guys older than me when I was 17 before I settled on my first boyfriend in my class in high school.

      There may have been nefarious activity, but we need to know the facts. It has bothered me that the media simply states he was accused of dating teenagers. That, alone, is neither illegal nor uncommon depending on the age.

    • So Patrick, you’re saying that Appalachian men pushed girls from their cars, after offering rides and, left them alone in dark parking lots when they were rebuffed (a trait not even found on an autism scale) or, that the allegation is untrue?

        • Amiable Patrick
          Sanitizing through generalization while pegging to characteristics unique to the individual? How convenient.

            • Connecting the dots for you. You said
              (1) Moore was from Appalachia. You expounded on the culture to excuse his behavior.
              (2) The behavior attributed to him by one teenage accuser was that after she rebuffed him, he pushed her from the car and left her in a dark parking lot.

              The argument you made fits either that the teen girl was lying or, that Moore’s behavior was consistent with the norms of the culture you used to excuse the behavior.

              I understand why you don’t want to bother defending your implied assertion, you don’t like the implication. It was more to your liking to write about a specific man facing specific allegations but to portray him in the abstract of generalization.

              • This is tiresome.

                You say: “(2) The behavior attributed to him by one teenage accuser was that after she rebuffed him, he pushed her from the car and left her in a dark parking lot.

                “The argument you made fits either that the teen girl was lying”

                None of this is true. No “teenagers” are accusing him of anything, only old women. The man has a long history of public service in Alabama, and no teenagers have ever come forward over the decades. Until now. Why do you suppose that is? Why would you believe the old ladies, who tell half a century old supposed memories about a guy who simply wanted to find a wife as he approached middle age?

                Why did none of these old ladies complain about him when he was a state Supreme Court justice, and controversial? Aren’t you curious about that? Maybe they are embellishing. Maybe they remember wrong. Maybe, they have an agenda. Anyway, there are no teenagers accusing him. Only old ladies.

                • Predictably, that’s where you went, Patrick.
                  In general terms, I condemn a West Point graduate who would be removed from a state supreme court twice for an unwillingness to follow the law and a West Point man who, in his thirties while employed in the legal profession, would push a teen girl from his car and leave her in a dark parking lot, for rebuffing him. That hypothetical man lacks empathy, respect and character (and, like the men who would step up to defend him, he is likely, only amiable in the company of good ole’ boys and compliant women).
                  If an allegation about the hypothetical West Point graduate’s “courting” behavior is found false, there is still the problem of his confirmed removal from the Court, twice. I presume his defenders would attribute it to the Appalachian culture, which he left decades before.

                  • My mentioning his home region was to point out his extreme poverty, which precluded him developing dating skills at a young age. But you already know that. You are being intentionally obtuse.

                    And again, you keep insisting the story one old lady is telling about a political opponent, which supposedly happened half a century ago, is perfectly accurate. There is a reason for statutes of limitation: memory grows less reliable as time passes. Yet you choose to believe the worst, with absolutely zero evidence. Perhaps it’s because YOU are his political opposition, too?

                    Finally, he defied unconstitutional orders. “Congress made no law” establishing a religion when he installed a monument to the Ten Commandments. Congress had nothing to do with it; it was firstly a STATE matter, and the 14th Amendment can’t be forced into the situation, either, because it was the JUDICIAL branch of Alabama Moore was operating in. No laws were made. I regard his defiance as a noble thing, in the tradition of our founders, and of the defenders of the South against invasion by the North. You may disagree with his defiance, because you have a Yankee’s hate for the South, maybe THAT’S it, but lots of people admired him for it. It’s of a piece with the point I was making from the start. It’s all about anti-Southern bigotry, which you display in spades.

                    • Glad to see your bias on display (“Yankee” law). That original piece you wrote so dispassionately framed, was the ruse I surmised. FYI , the U.S. Supreme Court has been conservative for decades.
                      Is the squirmy way that the Moore allegations are cast, as memories lost through time, instead of calling the women liars, regionally unique?
                      If you were pushed from a car, after having been offered a ride, and left in a dark parking lot, it’s doubtful that the experience would have dimmed in your mind, until dementia set in. I haven’t yet heard that case made against the accusers but, rhetorically, is that where you were headed with “old woman”?

                    • If it actually happened (and there’s zero evidence it did), the likelihood is time only embellished the memory of the experience, adding grievance by accretion. Why do you have absolutely zero skepticism? Who knows what quarrel might happen when a maladroit, perfectly honest, man approaching middle age searching for a wife might arise when dealing with an emotionally unstable teenager? Probably total frustration. The old gal, with a political axe to grind, wants to sabotage Moore’s Senate run, and tells of the quarrel in the most unpleasant interpretation possible. Knowing full well it can’t be verified in any way, but the country is in the midst of a witch hunt for sexual harassment. Then characterizing Moore as a child molester really seals the deal. The whole story sounds like slander of the worst sort–and again, I’m disgusted by Turley promoting it. I don’t know YOU, but you sure want to believe the worst in a situation that can NEVER be adjudicated.

                    • We don’t know the facts so I won’t bias the report by impugning the character of the accuser as “emotionally unstable” as you do. While you have tried to frame Moore’s search for a wife one-half his age, as culturally accepted, for at least one hundred years in the U.S. there has been disdain for men who act without regard to humanity when approaching women.

                      The number of accusers and the similarity of their stories does not work in favor of the accused.
                      The weakest arguments are those that try to suggest a woman would not remember correctly that she was grabbed, pushed or left in a dark parking lot, after rebuffing the accused.

                      If the women’s memories are convenient now, for political reasons and, not because culture evolved making it more acceptable to accuse a predator (Weinstein), that is a mitigating factor. If the accusers are lying, Moore’s reputation on this issue, suffered unfairly.

                    • “The number of accusers and the similarity of their stories does not work in favor of the accused.”

                      Oh, but it does. It bespeaks of a political conspiracy. Else, they would have all come out in his prior imbroglios. They never spoke up back then. Why?

                      “The weakest arguments are those that try to suggest a woman would not remember correctly…”

                      Not at all. That’s the STRONGEST argument. She may “remember” “that she was grabbed, pushed or left in a dark parking lot, after rebuffing the accused”, but it still might not be true. She might simply have been a dizzy teen, out of her ken, and got in a quarrel with an older guy, and had no idea what was going on. Obviously so.

                      “If the women’s memories are convenient now, for political reasons and, not because culture evolved…”

                      Culture does not “evolve.” It changes. You cannot judge people in the past on the principles people in the future regard as normative. People in the past must be judged on the world they actually lived in. And accusers of people from the same time in the past must be held to the standards of the time they both occupied.

                      This should be obvious.

                      We are not “better” than the people of the past.

                      The poor fellow was just trying to find a wife, for God’s sake. Stop tormenting him.

                    • If a hypothetical guy demanded a voter, vote for him and the voter said “no”, he might claim that she didn’t remember the incident correctly i.e. that after she said “no”, the guy, then, clubbed her in the head and drug her to his cave. Furthering the point, the alleged incident related to enemies in a duopoly, which provoked the mis-memory. Patrick, you will no doubt correct the scenario to point out that dizzy teens are too young to vote (making it no less a reach).

                      Off topic…just curious -Since you have identified yourself as a Southern thinker, an acquaintance of mine, raised in the South, once described Northerners as stabbing a person from the front as contrasted with Southerners’ preference for a stab in the back. Merit or no merit, to his observation?

                    • “Stop tormenting the poor fellow, he was just trying to find” his next wife… did that work to diffuse accusers against Arkansan, Clinton?

  7. It should go to court. Ms. Corfman can testify in detail about things she saw in Roy Moore’s house, including his underwear preferences, things that if they can be independently corroborated, prove that Moore took her to his house, and engaged in undressing. These are elements of a felony crime under Alabama law in late 1970s. This provides a sound proof of motive, Mr. Moore’s desire to repudiate his illegal behavior.

    • Correct me if wrong. I paid pretty close attention to this part of the WaPo report. The worst felony crime Roy allegedly committed was “conspiracy,” being the act of driving a minor in his car to his home with the “plan” to commit unlawful sexual act.

      It appeared to me, the strange twist of the law was Roy’s alleged “driving” her in his car to his home had potential for worse punishment than undressing her, etc. Weird.

      Now for that to stick, a prosecutor would have to prove Roy’s specific thought process during his driving the adolescent. I suspect the legislature chose such language because it’s virtually impossible to prove. OTOH, it makes sense that any adult would be more likely to drive the girl than walk her to his house, or for the girl to walk there on her own.

      All one person on the jury has to do is give Roy the benefit of a doubt, that he did not decide to undress her till AFTER they got inside the house.

      • Moore could write a tell-all book about Bannon, who was a Mercer family favorite and former chief strategist for Trump. With the book proceeds, legal representation that specializes in settlement, could be bought thus avoiding jury trial?

  8. Mights well cut the confusion.

    Allred was the Alabama attorney but she’s from California. She didn’t do much for the group nor the complaints down there until now with this defamation suit.

    Allred’s daughter is the attorney up in DC on the Trump allegations. She had a 50 million fund to represent etc four others but that fizzled. Said the money was to protect the plaintiffs though they never reached that status.

    The question at this point is did any of that money go to Alabama.

    Someone ihas to be paying Allred and the way she’s gets her payoff is file some kind of charge thus attorney fees can be collected. So apparently the DC money ended up in part in Alabama

    Moore passed the lie detector test. The plantiff refused to take one

    But it looks like some money is changing hands and in that case some is going to the sole plaintiff left the rest disappeared and a theplaintiff is a woman of ill repute and probably open to a deal like this.

    What it amounts to is getting Allred et fil paid

    They don’t expect to win in court. Just get paid. from the DC and keep the myth alive which makes it purely political and that according some comments was the source of the funds to begin with.

    Now it’s time for the dog and pony show from the robo clones of the left and what ever they made up.

    the system they are using is stated like this.

    “You postulate them as non-existent, and yet you want me to prove them to you as existing… your abstraction from the existence of nature and man has no meaning.”

    which also fits it was written by Karl Marx

    Except this bunch posting here is lacking in Marxmanship

  9. Time for Mr. Moore to fade into the night; we are all tired of him.

    Personal opinion; he seems like a thoroughly unpleasant character (in spite of apparently having personal charm).

    • Not until the political left gets Allred paid and only until they scare up some more of the Bimbo Brigade.

      Still it was a valuable lesson of how far the left is willing to go to win an election in terms of money (Soros the most likely source) and their use of their foreign ideology.

      Something for all of us Constitutional Centrist independent moderates to be aware of. I see Comrade Bacon has a new programmer and us following the party line which now calls for four letter words . That is An Ad Machina and an Ad Tedium to be exact.

      Hopefully it will fade away as did all the other adopted persona

  10. It’s the old pile of sh*t with a pearl, equals it’s all good. Or, the old pile of pearls with a speck of sh*t, equals it’s all bad. The story of Moore is that he is unfit for office, has an overwhelming history of sexual fantasy problems, and is simply nuts. Hopefully he will fade away, along with his perverse libido.

  11. When you file a defamation suit, your character is under scrutiny since the allegedly defamatory words are typically already out there in public. The claimant must prove the words are false to prevail. How does one prove an illicit affair 40 years after the fact? Most juries won’t just take your word for it. And how one overcome these reported character flaws:
    “Purportedly Moore’s main accuser Leigh Corfman has had three divorces, filed for bankruptcy three times, and has been charged with multiple misdemeanors. Posts on Moore’s FB page indicate that Corfman, has claimed several pastors at various churches made sexual advances at her,” tweeted Newsmax’s James Hirsen on Friday.”

      • Ken:
        No, it’s the description of some sad woman looking for her 15 minutes of fame with very little in life accomplishments. Oh and on a “Da” note, you forgot to mention Trump’s alleged sexual peccadilloes. No Soros bonus cash for you today. True dat, right?

            • Did not addrsess the fact that your description of Corfman is nearly identical to tRump but in your mind it calls into question her veracity yet Dear Leader is a paragon of virtue. Zeus, you are a hypocrit.

              • What cocktail of drugs do you ingest for your particular case of TDS?

                Still butt hurt your pant-suit wearing gal lost, huh? Please, don’t get over it.

                How many prayers to you pray to your pagan god to keep that senile witch Ginsburg and Kennedy from retiring or dying, to be replaced by 2 conservatives, for a (hopefully) right-leaning generation-long SCOTUS?

    • ” Moore’s main accuser Leigh Corfman has had three divorces, filed for bankruptcy three times, and has been charged with multiple misdemeanors.”

      The POTUS has these same characteristics and it wasn’t an issue with the voters of Alabama. Why would it any different with jurors?

    • Yep. Leigh Corfman wants Moore to call off the dogs who, presumably, are still hounding her. Although, I don’t know that for a fact. It’s one of those “logical thingies” . . . a presupposition, I think they call it.

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