Mueller Charges New Defendant: Alex Van Der Zwaan

440px-Director_Robert_S._Mueller-_III-1Special Counsel Robert Mueller has charged Dutch lawyer Alex Van Der Zwaan.  The charge however is another false statement indictment and is not tied to Russian collusion. Rather Van Der Zwaan was interviewed in rather to dealing concerning Ukraine’s Ministry of Justice in 2012.  The expected guilty plea certainly adds to the prosecution cases but remains far removed from the Trump campaign. It is more likely related to the Paul Manafort prosecution.

Van Der Zwaan was charged with “willfully and knowingly making materially false, fictitious and fraudulent statements” to both the special counsel’s office and FBI investigators.  He was interviewed due to his work on a report on the trial of Ukrainian politician Yulia Tymoshenko.  Both Paul Manafort and Richard Gates have been tied to Ukranian interests.

Van der Zwaan is also accused of deleting or withholding emails sought by the Special Counsel’s office.

As I have discussed earlier, Manafort had a reputation for dubious associations and clients — making his selection as Trump campaign chair baffling.  For almost ten years, he was a consultant to Ukraine’s Party of Regions and its leader, Viktor Yanukovych.  The party was viewed as being supported by Russians interests and took an anti-Nato and anti-West stance. Yanukovych would ultimately flee to Russia as people rose up against corruption.

Manafort made millions in his association with the party.  Those payments between 2004 and 2014 are the focus of Manafort.

As NBC News previously reported, federal officials say that the money Manafort earned from both the party and the oligarchs — and what he did with it — are part of what has drawn the attention of investigators. New details keep emerging as U.S. and Ukrainian officials piece together Manafort’s contacts and payments in Ukraine from 2004 to 2014.

Yanukovych is a remarkably sleazy character with prior criminal convictions and a long line of corruption allegations.  There is also an attempted assassination of one of his political opponents. Frankly, few of us were surprised that Manafort found him and his party to be an attractive potential client.  Manafort worked to try to return Yanukovyck to power.

Manafort even reportedly came up with the POR’s slogan for the 2006 election, “A Better Life Today.”



117 thoughts on “Mueller Charges New Defendant: Alex Van Der Zwaan”

  1. I’m sorry, it I don’t u Dee stand. We were told no “reasonable prosecutor” would prosecute someone for deleting 30,000 emails, some of them classified. Clinton’s employees lied to federal prosecutors. Bill Clinton accepted money from Russians while they were negotiated sting to buy our Uranium.

    I thought none of that was a big deal…

    1. What about CNN, MSNBC, and Michael Moore? They advertised, and attended, a Not My President a time-Trump rally organized by the Russians.

      1. Yes Karen,

        Why haven’t CNN,MSNBC,NBC,CBS, ABC, WP,NYT, Michael Moore & others registered as foreign agents with the US govt since they are?

    2. I think this article answers some of your questions Karen. Here is an excerpt and a link:

      “Obama allowed oligarchy and empire to expand and flourish with little-to-no resistance from the segments of society that would typically push back against such polices. So-called “liberals” failed to live up to their self-professed values so long as Obama was President, thus exposing themselves as frauds in the process. This resulted in widespread disillusionment across large swaths of the U.S. populace, and ultimately led to a resounding rejection of the status quo preferred candidate, Hillary Clinton. Some went for Trump, others went for Bernie Sanders, but the key message is enough people were sick and disgusted of business as usual to swing the election. Russia didn’t do that, the U.S. establishment did with its destructive, corrupt and anti-human polices.

      This why establishment frauds to this day can’t admit their beloved Hillary Clinton lost fair and square. Admitting this would mean accepting that they too were rejected, which would invariably lead to some unwanted introspection and a radical restructuring of domestic and foreign policy. They don’t want to do this for obvious reasons, so blaming Russia lets them absolve their own responsibility for the unfolding disaster they created. This is why neocons and neoliberals are totally united in this fraud resistance. It seems crazy on the surface, but it actually makes perfect sense. It was the short sighted policies of neocons under Bush and then neoliberals under Obama that led us directly to Trump, yet neither side will ever admit this. So they manufacture a super enemy to distract the public away from their well documented and catastrophic failures over the past two decades.

      Russia’s provides the perfect scapegoat for some of history’s most corrupt, incompetent and bloodthirsty elites. Disgraced villains get to preen around like heroes as the corporate media works overtime to reinvent their tarnished images. George W. Bush becomes popular with Democrats…”

  2. Where Are the Indictments of Obama’s Foreign Colluders?

    The collusion fraud continues.

    The indictments are in.

    Team Mueller indicted a bunch of Russians associated with a troll farm for interfering with an election in the United States. Russian troll farms generally don’t follow United States law. But foreigners are not allowed to interfere with elections in the United States. Unless they’re named Christopher Steele.

    The Clinton campaign employed a British foreign agent who used Russian intelligence sources to put together opposition research meant to interfere with the results of a United States election. Collusion between the Clinton campaign, Steele and the Russians doesn’t require an endless fishing expedition.

    Foreigners interfering in United States elections are not a new phenomenon. Muslims in Gaza famously ran a phone bank for Obama. A Hamas political adviser had declared that he hoped Obama would win.

    There was no investigation. Nor did anyone indict the Gazans running the phone bank.

    The indictment states that, “the Federal Election Campaign Act… prohibits foreign nationals from making any contributions, expenditures, independent expenditures, or disbursements for electioneering communications.” But Obama had chosen to accept untraceable donations from abroad. He had failed to ask for proof of citizenship and his website had even allowed donations from Iran and North Korea.

    The chair of Nigeria’s stock exchange had organized an “Africans for Obama” fundraiser. The Albanian Socialist Prime Minister had been accused of a scheme to transfer $80,000 to an Obama fundraising committee. Gazans bought and resold Obama t-shirts from the campaign website. And no indictments.

    None of that counts as election interference. And none of it generated an investigation of Obama.

    Indicting civilians covertly employed by a foreign government to engage in propaganda in the United States is an unserious act. But Obama Inc. responded in the same futile way to Chinese hacking efforts. Responding to cyberwarfare with toothless indictments is not how you head off the next attack.

    But the indictments are also bad law.

    Facebook Vice President of Ad Product Rob Goldman noted that most of the Russian ad spending took place after the election.

    Specifically, “44% of total ad impressions” preceded the election while “56% were after the election.”

    “We shared that fact, but very few outlets have covered it because it doesn’t align with the main media narrative of Tump and the election,” Goldman tweeted.

    And that’s what this is still about.

    The indictment and previous research showed that the Russian troll farm had run a variety of scams across the spectrum. They posed as Black Lives Matter and Republican activists, as militant feminists, outraged Indians, as Islamists and anti-Islamists at the same time. Did Russia actually care about Black Lives Matter or Trump? About as much as that “Nigerian prince” in your email cares about your politics.

    The Russian troll farms covered Black Lives Matter for the same reason that Al Jazeera does. Qatar’s Al Jazeera, Russia’s propaganda networks and the other foreign foes trying to influence Americans have a core agenda that they package inside content that Americans care about, but that they don’t.

    Qatar successfully packaged its campaign against Saudi Arabia’s struggle with Iran in Yemen by embedding its Yemeni famine myth inside a grab bag of social justice causes through Al Jazeera. Russia was doing the same thing with its online campaigns, embedding its pro-Assad Syria or anti-Ukraine propaganda by packaging it with a spectrum of partisan causes that Americans do care about.

    Not only does the effort predate Trump’s entry into the race, but even the indictment notes that the Russian troll farm outline had urged employees to “use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump—we support them).” Was there also collusion between Bernie Sanders and Russia? Despite Bernie’s Soviet honeymoon, this “support” had nothing to do with collusion.

    The Russian troll farm was built on engaging the most politically active and dissatisfied Americans. Going after supporters of Sanders and Trump by pretending to share their views was most likely to pay off in social media shares and influence building. The Russian troll farm wasn’t trying to change the outcome of an election. It was piggybacking on a current political controversy while playing both sides.

    And, whether it’s the anthem or gun control, they went right on doing it after the election was over.

    But, as Facebook’s VP of Ad Product noted, it doesn’t fit the media’s collusion narrative. The central thesis of the post-election Dem conspiracy theory is that Hillary would have won if it weren’t for the Russians. (Not to mention misogyny, Comey and around three hundred other reasons.) There’s never been any evidence that the thousands spent on Facebook ads altered the outcome of the election.

    But if the Russians weren’t trying to influence the election, then the conspiracy theory collapses.

    The conspiracy theory that ate Washington D.C. and most of the media assumes that the Russians wanted to influence the election. And that they wouldn’t have tried to do so of their own accord if there wasn’t collusion. But Russian collusion had originated as a Clinton smear during the election. If you believe the foreign agent hired by the Clinton campaign, it may have originated with the Russians.

    That’s much better evidence that Hillary was colluding with the Russians than that Trump was.

    And if the Russians were conspiring with Trump, why were they also backing Bernie Sanders? If this conspiracy existed, why did American forces just take out 300 Russian mercenaries? Why did Trump go much further in helping Ukrainian forces against Russia than Obama was ever willing to? The Russians didn’t spend much money on this conspiracy. They weren’t very consistent. And they didn’t get anything for it. That’s much more consistent with social media influence building than the Manchurian Candidate.

    Mueller and the media know all this. And they don’t care.

    Indicting the Russians for trying to influence the election is bad law, but it shows that Team Mueller intends to go after President Trump. The evidence that the Russians tried to interfere with the election is weak. The more conventional fraud charges would have made for a much stronger case.

    But nobody gave Team Mueller millions just to find out that some Russians were engaging in fraud. The Russians are just the tools that the Democrats and their allies have weaponized to overturn the election.

    Russian troll farms are not a threat to our elections. Despite the paranoid conspiracy theories, Russian Facebook ads had less impact on the election than Jill Stein. And if we’re going to indict foreigners who interfere in our elections, we can start with Obama’s international cast of donors and supporters.

    The real threat to our system of free elections is the refusal of the Democrats to accept defeat. When George W. Bush won, the Democrats rejected the outcome, invented conspiracy theories and protested in the streets. They did the same thing again when Donald J. Trump won. There’s a consistent pattern here and it doesn’t involve Moscow or the Supreme Court. Those are just their excuses.

    The Democrats have never accepted a Republican in the White House in this century. Forget the Supreme Court or Russia; it’s the Democrats who are the biggest threat to democracy.

  3. In case anyone was wondering why in tarnation Mueller would be going after Alex Van Der Zwaan, when he has absolutely nothing to do with Russia, Trump, or anything remotely connected to anything, I have uncovered the REAL reason that Mueller is going after Van Der Zwann.

    Alex Van Der Zwaan was an attorney who used to work with the prestigious law firm of Skadden Arps Slate Meagher & Flom LLP. Skadden Arps is a major competitor of Mueller’s former law firm, Wilmer Cutler Pickering Hale and Dorr LLP, better known as Wilmer Hale.

    In other words, with Mueller, it’s strictly personal, not business. Plus, Mueller has to justify his existence in some way, even though he’s totally worthless.

    1. He lied to Mueller’s team. You don’t lie to Mueller. His colleagues at the FBI call him thr “boa constrictor” because he slowly increases the pressure on suspects.

      In Mueller I trust.

  4. Torture, warrantless wiretapping and zersetzung were all felony crimes while Mueller was head of the FBI. If this case touches on any of that, Mueller should recuse himself. We need someone independent, who didn’t ignore felony crimes, to investigate.

    Congress tried to legalize these past felonies but Article I prohibits Congress from passing ex post facto laws to make felonies legal.

  5. Not a Trump fan but this is not a legitimate investigation – you have a former FBI Director investigating a case involving another Director.

  6. I see that Muller is indicting many people associated with activities in Ukraine. Does this mean the Ukrainian government is picking up the tab for his “investigation”?

    I admit that I ask this question in jest, because I know the answer is, “No.” But someone needs to get to the real question, and that is: What are the purpose and scope of the Muller investigation? Because I am getting the impression that the investigation is to form a new dossier of allegations that can be used as charges against President Trump if/when the Democrat Party becomes the majority party in the House of Representatives this fall. It will then be used as the background material to be exhibits in the (future) impeachment proceedings in the Senate.

  7. Mueller protected Hillary then. Mueller is protecting Hillary now.

    Mueller was FBI when Hillary was State.

    What did Mueller know and when did he know it?

    “Robert Swan Mueller III was the sixth Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation from 2001 to 2013.”

    – Wiki

    “Hillary Clinton served as the 67th United States Secretary of State, under President Barack Obama, from 2009 to 2013, overseeing the department that conducted the Foreign policy of Barack Obama.”

    – Wiki

    “Evidence Hillary Illegally Violated Sanctions in US Pharmaceutical Purchase from Russia”

    “Rago, who had become well-known for being an outspoken critic of the Obama Drafted Patient Protection and Affordable Care Acts, went on in 2011 to capture the Pulitzer Prize for Editorial Writing for what the Pulitzer organization called his “well crafted, against-the-grain editorials challenging the health care reform advocated by President Obama.” It’s clear to those who knew Rago he had both a bright and talented future ahead of himself, where the sky was the obvious limit. According to those who knew Joseph Rago, when he was knee deep into an investigation he had no time for any social activities, and was determined to press forth into the truth whether that meant night or day. So it should come as no surprise that Rago began investigating the links to how a Russian Pharmaceutical firm could have been purchased in by an American Pharmaceutical firm, when there were official Sanctions against Russia in 2014. According to those in his Wall Street Journal Office, Rago had reached out to the Russia Consulate General’s Office in New York City who then requested an interview on July 20th with consular officials regarding an upcoming article he was preparing on Hillary Clinton and her potential ties to Russia. However, Rago didn’t manage to make it to the meeting and was later discovered deceased in his apartment with the cause of death being strangely called “unknown causes” just hours prior to the Russian Consular General meeting occurring. The goal of the meeting would have been investigating Hillary Clinton’s links to the 2014 sale of Veropharm, which is one of Russia’s largest medical companies, to the American pharmaceutical titan Abbott Laboratories. What’s very concerning about Abbott Laboratories acquiring Veropharm, is that the deal was actually granted a finalization approval on December 12th of 2014. Why is that concerning you ask? That’s a whopping 9 months after Sanctions were imposed upon Russia by the United States. Unironically however Sanctions on Russia could have been waived, by the State Department that is. Hillary Clinton’s State Department. The behind the scenes acquiring of Veropharm had been masterminded by individuals who sought to find loopholes around the Obama regime’s then-sanctions against Russia. That was done subvertly through a United States umbrella company called Kew Garden Hills, LLC, which was registered in both Delaware and conveniently enough in Hillary Clinton’s home State of New York. By acquiring approximately 98% of the Veropharm shares, that shell company, Kew Garden Hills, llc, gained near complete control. Oddly enough soon after it was in control, Kew Garden Hills was then bought by Abbott Laboratories. Pure coincidence, goyim. I don’t believe in coincidences though. So let’s follow what Rago had been investigating at the time of his death a bit further. The fake shell company, Kew Garden Hills, LLC, has no official Chief Operating Officer, no Board of Directors, and failed to even list any corporate information on the S&P Global Market Intelligence database. Anyone with legal expertise in the stock market would tell you that a multi-billion dollar United States and Foreign pharmaceutical acquisition would undoubtedly have its records published and draw massive interest from investors who monitor such a deal. However, there was complete radio silence. Would you like to see? I’ve archived the S&P Global Market Intelligence data on Kew Garden Hills, LLC so you can check it out, there’s literally nothing and they handed off one of the largest United States acquisitions of a Russian pharmaceutical company in history. Again, I don’t believe in coincidences.
    Unironically yet again a group which was in charge of the transaction was the Russian investment bank Renaissance Capital who coincidentally just so happened to have paid former President Bill Clinton $500,000 for a speech that he gave before their top executives in Moscow. Wikileaks reported in leaked Podesta emails that the Hillary Clinton for President Campaign actually “killed a story” which had intended to report this tie to the Magnitsky bill and the Bill Clinton paid speaking fees. Rago was concerned with this, and he told the Russian Consular officials that he had documents linking Hillary Clinton to both Abbott Laboratories and Kew Garden Hills. You know the meme, I may have information that could lead to Hillary Clinton’s arrest? Well Rago did, and he was hot on her trail for her illegal criminal actions. The Russian Consular was obviously concerned, and rightfully so. Hillary Clinton used the position at the State Department as Secretary of State to broker a deal between American pharmaceutical giants and Russian pharmaceutical giants which was in effect illegal due to Sanctions against Russia. Yes, he had them all and he was the only one at the time pressing the matter. Unfortunately the upcoming meeting never has an opportunity to occur, because Rago turned up dead. Just another coincidence. Nothing to see here goy. Wrong. Take Rago out of the picture entirely and the facts remain the same. The real question now is how in the hell didn’t James Comey and the FBI investigate this? Why didn’t they follow up on the ties to the illegal transaction from Russia? While the mysterious death of the 34 year old Joseph Rago had become the latest in the series of unconventional Clinton related deaths, it wasn’t even the only one which occurred in July. An infamous Haitian Government official, Renwick Haddow was set to testify against Hillary Clinton in a Miami, Florida courtroom when a week before the testimony he was also found with a bullet to the head in a “suicide”. I don’t think there’s any question about it. These men were killed to cover up any trace of the multi-billion dollar illegal sales of Russian enterprise to American companies. We still have no answers on the deaths, much like all of those involved in the Clinton Body Count, and we still have no prosecution of Hillary Clinton. These should be the key factors driving the Justice Department today under Attorney General Jeff Sessions and the Trump Administration. The evidence is there. Again that doesn’t mean they’re not working on it either, but it’s clearly enough to charge Hillary Clinton based upon the deal with Russia alone.”

    1. More discombobulated tinfoil hat nonsense. That hat looks good on you though.

      This is to “we’ve been ordered by commissar to keep posting Hillary swill” georgie

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  9. WAIT A MINUTE!! This guy is being charged with deleting emails? Let’s see…..who else did that?

    1. You mean Hillary Clinton? Yeah, James Comey told us that in a letter to Congress days before the general election. That’s what torpedoed her campaign. Did you miss that event?

    2. BleachBit – Wiki

      BleachBit is a free and open-source disk space cleaner, privacy manager, and computer system optimizer.

      “You mean wipe it with a cloth?”

      – Hillary Clinton

  10. In related news, according to leaks, Mueller his discovered that the aunt of the second cousin of a brother who was once Donald Trump’s chauffeur has 4 outstanding unpaid parking tickets. According to sources, Mueller is determining if some perjury charges can be filed against the aunt, as she had originally only admitted to only 3 unpaid parking tickets in her interview with FBI agents.

    Mueller seems to be closing in on President Trump! The plot is certainly thickening!

    1. Fun fact: Mueller is a co-conspirator of Hillary. Mueller was the FBI “Watcher” when Hills was raking in the dough as Sec. of State. They left simultaneously in 2013.

  11. The obvious question here would be: “Why did Trump chose Paul Manafort to run his campaign?” Are we to believe there was no one more qualified..?? ‘The only man for the job was someone who spent years in Ukraine and was tied to Putin cronies’..?? Would Mitt Romney seek a man like that? Would George W seek a man like that? The mere presence of Paul Manafort in Trump’s campaign is glaringly suspicious in light of Russian meddling. It’s one of those red flags historians will someday look back on asking ‘why’ the public didn’t clue in to that.

    1. Good questions, Peter Hill. Paul Manafort and Rick Gates have a particular expertise at money laundering and, more specifically, The Cyprus Scheme. Of course, Manafort and Gates are also experts at using dirty money from Putin’s oligarchs to practice The Kremlin’s information warfare in The Ukraine.

      It’s probable that Mueller and Weissman are trying to get Manafort to change his plea to guilty and become a cooperating witness. Gates will soon change his plea to guilty and cooperate against Manafort. Gates reason for doing so is that he cannot afford the legal fees necessary to go to trial. It’s doubtful that Manafort can afford the cost of going to trial, either.

      Manafort knows things about Trump, Trump Jr. and Kushner. Stay tuned.

      1. Manafort reportedly has $28 Million and so far his family has not been threatened. I think he can financially withstand the federal government long enough that the picture becomes clearer. Who knows, maybe Weissman (one of Mueller’s attack dogs) will have been indicted himself or lost his law license and in the process implicates Mueller in some wrongdoing. None of these people are squeaky clean.

      2. Paul Manafort was a Gerald Ford delegate at the 1976 GOP Convention.
        He emerged as a key figure in the floor fight at that convention when Reagan challenged Ford for the nomination.
        Manafort had roles in other campaigns, including Convention manager for the 1996 GOP Convention.
        He was probably brought on board for the Trump campaign because of the possibility of a “stop Trump” movement emerging at the 2016 comvention.
        Trump had enough delegates, but there was the possibilty of delegates bolting.
        Manafort was described as a “delegate handler” in the 1976 Ford-Reagan battle at that convention.
        His experience at conventions probably meant that he was also familar with any archane rules that might be used to turn the 2016 GOP Convention into an “open convention”.

  12. Who was the director of the FBI during Manfort’s 2004-2014 reign of terror? Who else from Mueller’s reign at the FBI will he finally get indictments on?

    1. Olly, as I’m sure you know, the FBI sometimes overlooks criminal conduct for the sake of protecting the sources and methods necessary to continue ongoing investigations into various threats facing the national security of The United States. When the cost to national security exceeds the benefit of protecting sources and methods in ongoing investigations, the FBI makes criminal referrals to the DOJ and a US Attorney. Consequently, there’s really no telling how many more indictments Mueller might bring based upon investigations that began when Mueller was FBI Director.

      1. P. S. One might as well wonder out loud for how long, exactly, the FBI may have been investigating Trump. Some observers have speculated that the FBI has been investigating Trump since 1983 when Trump Tower first opened. The FBI has neither confirmed nor denied that conjecture. Intriguing.

        1. For all we know the IG might be investigating Obama. In fact, for all we know the FBI might be investigating Obama. Neither the FBI nor the IG has confirmed nor denied that conjecture. Intriguing.

              1. Allan – because there was a fight about it and there were calls from the FBI and DOJ to NSA files during the unmasking, etc. Adm Rogers stopped them when he found out about them.

                1. Now I understand your point. It also demonstrates that there are people in government that know right from wrong.

      2. The FBI also engages in political activity as we have seen and not infrequently has screwed up. Cruz is just one example.

  13. So the FBI considers: “willfully and knowingly making materially false, fictitious and fraudulent statements” a crime does it?

    While I don’t care if this man is indicted on the charge, I can think of a whole group of people, many of whom are connected with the IC, the Clinton campaign and the so called “govt. of the people” who have committed that crime. The FBI even fired Steele for doing this to them. Are their indictments forthcoming? I doubt it.

    Selective prosecution is not the rule of law. It’s the rule of cronies in crime.

    1. If you make those statements to a federal law enforcement officer, it’s a crime.

      This is to “Oh, okay, nevermind then” jillovska

        1. Declining to prosecute a federal crime is usually within the discretion of the DOJ and US Attorneys once a criminal referral has been made to the DOJ. Prosecutorial misconduct rarely, if ever, hinges upon the decision not to prosecute. And here’s why: The Attorney General of The United States and the US Attorneys serve at the pleasure of The POTUS during good behavior.

          So you should call the White House, ASAP, and tell Trump to fire Sessions, Rosenstein, Mueller, Wray and whoever else you might think is guilty of practicing “the rule of cronies in crime” by means of prosecutorial discretion. And if Trump refuse to fire the whole lot of them, then it will be up to you, Jill, and a great many others amongst your fellow Americans to fire Trump at the polls on election day in 2020.

  14. Is this what Mueller does for a living – set perjury traps?
    Is this really worth the millions of dollars being spent on this? Wouldn’t these misdeeds be ferreted out through normal law enforcement processes and procedures?

    1. No! Anything that gives Democrat losers hope of causing some trouble for Donald Trump is good! Please get with the program.

    2. A blast form the past for Foxtrot Foxtrot Sierra from CBS Reports:

      “Six years and more than $50 million in taxpayer money later, an independent counsel has concluded there is “insufficient evidence” to charge President Clinton and First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton with any criminal wrongdoing in the Whitewater land deal in Arkansas.

      “The invesigation in connection with Madison Guaranty / Whitewater matter is now closed,” said Independent Counsel Robert Ray on Wednesday, hours after releasing his written statement on the matter.

      The White House immediately cheered the outcome as New York voters are just seven weeks away from deciding whether to elect Mrs. Clinton to the U.S. Senate.

      Ray will send a final report under seal to the court that appointed him, detailing the findings and the investigation into the original allegations that prompted the most expensive independent counsel probe in history.

      “The office determined that the evidence was insufficient to prove to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that either (the) president or Mrs. Clinton knowingly participated in any criminal conduct,” Ray’s written statement read.”

      Since FFS is on record as being a tax accountant, he will no doubt notice that the six-year $50 million figure refers only to Ken Starr’s independent counsel investigation and excludes Ray’s follow up as well as Robert Fiske’s initial investigation. The Total cost for all three Whitewater investigation is estimated at $78 million and lasted more than seven years from Fiske to Starr to Ray.

      BTW, does anyone remember who set the perjury trap for Slick Willy? D’oh! He set it for himself. Didn’t he?

      1. L4D, I thought you were on record as opposing whataboutisms. What does Bill Clinton in the wayback machine have to do with this discussion?

  15. What’s really telling here, from the right wing nut Trumpsters, is that their battle cry was to clean up Washington and politics in general, drain the swamp, etc. Trump, himself the biggest, sleaziest, lyingest rat of all even led the charge. Now that investigations are underway to surface and prosecute the rats that make up our system, the Trumpsters are not there. Just as with the Republicans and above all Trump; there is no there, there.

    As long as the other side is being pilloried then it’s OK. Like Trump said, he could shoot someone on 5th avenue and get away with it. The level of hypocrisy is incredible. However, on the right, the level of disgust is not there.

    Here’s hoping Mueller keeps digging; whatever he finds is a plus. Mueller is draining the swamp.

    1. No, he didn’t say he could “shoot someone on 5th avenue and get away with it”. He was using hyperbole to describe his popularity in New York City.

      I’m left wondering if you wrote that out of ignorance, or deceit.

      1. They don’t like da bankrupt sex fiend in da big Apple cause they know him and his Russian mobster pals.T rump plays better with da gullible people.

      2. FFS

        That Trump was exaggerating for effect is a given. However, that exaggeration has been qualified to a great degree by his ridiculous statements and tweeting, his mindless actions, and his constant pathetic braggadoccio. Trump may not be able to shoot someone on 5th avenue and get away with it but he is getting away with being the lyingest, sleaziest, buffoon that ever made it to the Oval Office. I wrote it to make a point.

        Our President’s first reaction to the slaughter of 17 students in Miami is to blame the FBI for using resources to investigate the swamp that surely would have stopped the killer. The FBI, before hand, had admitted that their office simply did not respond to the warnings. Trump is capable of saying anything to protect his image. He is enhancing his image, not protecting it.

        1. Olly,

          It is hilarious, if sick. Congressman Nadler is seriously saying what these trolls did is: “the equivalent (of) Pearl Harbor. Why yes, they are exactly the same. OMG!

          1. Russian intelligence operatives employed at the Internet Research Agency are not protected by the First, Fourth, Fifth, nor Sixth Amendments to The Constitution of The United States of America. One must now wonder out loud whether Jill can tell the difference between a US citizen versus a Russian intelligence operative. Perhaps she can’t. Why not, Jill?

        1. Autumtoscovich,

          I know. The man is obviously a traitor and any facts that he points out should be immediately forgotten. We don’t want facts getting in the way of a nice, shiny war with Russia now do we?

          Yours in Putin,


    2. Thunderbolt you do realize that the more he “digs” the more guilty Clinton and Obama are?

      Or are you really the truth that much

      1. Since you’re not a lawyer, I don’t expect you to know this. Pertinent here, a “lie” is only prosecutable as a federal crime under 18 USC § 1001 if it’s made to an agent of the federal government. Thus, whatever you imagine to be a lie by former President of the United States Barack HUSSEIN Obama was not a crime under federal law. Pro tip: reddit is down the hall.

        This is to “I have a hannity tattoo across my lower back” lulu ann

        1. Well that explains why our administrative state and the MSM lies to the American people. As morally reprehensible as it is, it’s still not a crime. In other words according to Mark, nothing to see here (legally), so move along.

      1. Trump and his oligarch pals have woven quite a web. Working on their money trails must be fascinating.

        1. If you want to be taken seriously, then you need to be for pursuing all money trails.regardless of where they lead. Are you prepared to do that?

          1. Absolutely…. Do you think it is just a coincidence that Van der Zwaan’s father in law just happens to be a Russian oligarch that owns Alfa Bank?

              1. From the article linked above:

                In March 2017, CNN reported that the issue was still under investigation by the FBI, but nothing substantive had yet been turned up:

                Federal investigators and computer scientists continue to examine whether there was a computer server connection between the Trump Organization and a Russian bank, sources close to the investigation tell CNN.

                Questions about the possible connection were widely dismissed four months ago. But the FBI’s investigation remains open, the sources said, and is in the hands of the FBI’s counterintelligence team — the same one looking into Russia’s suspected interference in the 2016 election.

                One U.S. official said investigators find the server relationship “odd” and are not ignoring it. But the official said there is still more work for the FBI to do. Investigators have not yet determined whether a connection would be significant.

                1. One coincidence can easily be dismissed as a coincidence. Two coincidences are twice as hard to dismiss as two coincidences. Three coincidences are three times as hard to dismiss . . . . to the nth coincidence???

          2. The internet connection between Trump Tower and Alpha Bank will be getting more scrutiny now.

            1. If that’s where the law leads then good. Now we’ll see how interested Mueller is in the law or politics. Uranium One is a great example.

                1. Mueller appears to be running a “Six degrees of separation with Trump” investigation. If he’s interested in the law then there is a lot of there, there. If he’s interested in politics, then that will be someone else’s problem.

                  1. Chief, this is about Weissman trying to flip Manafort. Manafort knows things–many. Gates will change his plea to guilty soon. I don’t see how Manafort can hold out for very much longer. He can’t afford to go to trial anymore than Gates can. Why is it that no one will start a legal defense fund for Manafort and Gates?

                    1. is the site for his defense fund…I knew you’d want to contribute.
                      There may be other sources footing some of the legal bills.

                    2. Gates was questioned by a judge about his defense fund….something to do with a video made in relation to his legal issues/ legal bills.
                      I don’t know if Gates has an “operational” defense fund, or if he was somehow restricted in establishing one by the judge.

        1. Excerpted from the article linked below:

          “A lawyer [ Alex van der Zwaan] who is the son-in-law of a Russian oligarch named in the controversial Donald Trump dossier pleaded guilty on Tuesday to lying to investigators in special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia probe.”

        1. Excerpted from the article linked above:

          “Van der Zwaan, a Dutch citizen who was born in Brussels, has been in the U.S. since he was questioned. The FBI has seized his passport and his travel is restricted to Washington and New York until an April 3 sentencing where he could face less than six months.

          He requested an expedited schedule because his wife, former debutante Eva Khan, is pregnant. Her father is German Khan, a billionaire who filed a libel suit in October against Fusion GPS, the investigation firm behind a partly unsubstantiated intelligence dossier that alleged Donald Trump’s campaign colluded with the Russians.”

          1. To review, briefly, Alex van der Zwaan is the son-in-law of the Russian oligarch, German Khan, who was named in the Steele dossier and who is suing Fusion GPS for libel. Coincidence?

          2. More stuff from the article linked above:

            Until he was fired last year, Van der Zwaan worked in the London office of powerhouse law firm Skadden, Arps, Slate Meagher & Flom — where he helped write a report on behalf of the Ukrainian government that critics said sought to justify the false imprisonment of Ukraine’s former prime minister, Yulia Tymoshenko.

            Manafort and Gates were also working on behalf of Tymoshenko’s rivals, including ousted president Viktor Yanukovych. The New York Times reported in September that Manafort arranged for the Skadden firm to do the work — and that U.S. prosecutors were asking questions about it.

            According to prosecutor Andrew Weissmann, van der Zwaan leaked the report and talking points from the law firm — which was supposed to be independent in the matter — to Gates.

            When van der Zwaan was questioned Nov. 3, he claimed that his last communication with Gates was an “innocuous” text message in mid-August 2016, according to court documents. He also said his last contact with someone described as “Person A” — a Ukrainian-based associate of Manafort and Gates — was in 2014.

            But, van der Zwaan now admits, he spoke with both Gates and Person A in September 2016 regarding the Tymoshenko report. Then after Gates sent him a Ukrainian criminal complaint, he called Person A to discuss the possibility that they, along with Manafort and Skadden, could face criminal charges, apparently over payments for the report.

            Van der Zwaan surreptitiously recorded calls, including one with a superior at Skadden, according to court documents. And he deleted emails, including one in which Person A asked him to use an encrypted app, that he knew Mueller had requested from Skadden. The law firm said it is cooperating with the probe.

    1. Only if he was acting as Manafort’s lawyer at the time. Even if he was he couldn’t use that as an excuse to lie to the FBI. He could, and should, decline to answer if it was client privileged information.

  16. One day
    Over the Rainbow

    Will Meuller ever get focused on the job….at this rate Clinton will be dead of old age before Question One.

    1. Unfortunately for the denizens of bedlam, wild-eyed tales of uranium this or that screamed on Pravda Faux News do not amount to evidence. Rather, it’s merely pablum to feed the gullible rubes and dupes. There’s an old saying: “fool me once, shame on thee, fool me twice, shame on me.” A more cognitively-discerning thinker would have caught on to the big con by now. So sorry for your misfortune.

      This is to “but what about Vince foster!!!” Mikey

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