Congress, Media, Politics

Warren: I Will Not Take A DNA Test

official-portraitWe have been following the controversy over the claim of Native American ancestry by Sen. Elizabeth Warren and the continued criticism from President Donald Trump who continues mock her as “Pocahontas”. Recently, we discussed Warren’s surprise speech doubling down on her claim and whether Warren would simply take a DNA test to put the matter to rest.  The suggestion was echoed by the media in Massachusetts like the Berkshire Eagle  For $100, the question is why let the matter simmer. Warren answered that question this weekend and the answer is no.

 

Warren told NBC’s “Meet the Press” that she would not take such a test because “I know who I am. And never used it for anything. Never got any benefit from it anywhere.”  Some may find it a bit curious that Warren would not want to confirm an identity that she repeated cited in her academic career and still says is central to her life.  The question is why Warren would not want to know and if any of her family has already had such tests performed.  Since Warren listed herself as a minority on law faculties, this identity was sufficiently important to her to claim as part of her identification as an academic. Yet, she has no interest in confirming information on what degree (if any) Native American heritage is shown in her DNA for a relatively small fee.  Moreover, such a test would effectively silence her critics, including Trump, if it produced confirmation of her long claim of Native American ancestry.

Warren added:

“My mother and daddy were born and raised in Oklahoma. My daddy first saw my mother when they were both teenagers. He fell in love with this tall, quiet girl who played the piano. Head over heels. But his family was bitterly opposed to their relationship because she was part Native American. They eventually eloped . . . That’s the story that my brothers and I all learned from our mom and our dad, from our grandparents. It’s a part of me and nobody’s going to take that part of me away.”

Warren added that she is not going to run for President.  That is a statement of intent that might change with a couple years remaining of shifting political conditions, including possible offers for a vice president slot.  Moreover, media is reporting that she is not ruling out a 2020 run and is positioning herself for precisely such a possible run.

307 thoughts on “Warren: I Will Not Take A DNA Test”

  1. Shifting Political Conditions

    Elizabeth could put her Indian heritage issue to rest once & for all.

    Sen. Warren might want to consider an apprenticeship under the tutelage of Don Juan Matus. Don Juan Matus is a Yaqui Indian “Man of Knowledge”, Brujo, sorcerer & shape shifter.

    Yaqui shape shifters could turn into crows, ravens, owls, coyotes & other animals. Be on the lookout for Sen. Warren.

    1. Don Juan, do Yaqui shape shifters also change the shape of their DNA each time they turn into a crow, a coyote or a chipmunk???

      1. Absolutely. Yaqui Brujos search for hair, finger nail clippings & saliva of intended targets. To do DNA test.

        1. Don Juan, if Yaqui Brujos have the same ethics as Pharma Bro, Martin Shkreli, then I doubt that Senator Warren would agree to an apprenticeship with you.

          1. Yaqui Brujos heritage is a ‘Man of Knowledge’ from a Toltec lineage of seers. That’s before the Aztec empire ever existed.

              1. Will back in the 1970’s & 1980’s, Ivy schools ( Colombia, Harvard, Duke & others) wanted to do a meet & greet with Don Juan. Never happened. Carlos Castaneda died with $20 – $30 million net worth in book sales. So much for the Yaqui Brujo shape shifters. That’s not smoke. It’s cold hard cash!

                1. Too bad. Don Juan would’ve made a great CIA agent.

                  P. S. Castaneda earned his money.

                2. Don Juan Matus – shape-shifters and brujos are actually different things. He just was Making Things Up.

            2. Don Jaun Matus – there is no known link between the Toltec and Brujos of the Yaqui. Quit blowing smoke at the White People. 😉

        2. Don Juan Matus – Brujos is different from a shape-shifter. Different job description.

            1. From the article linked above:

              The energy of regular naguals is divided in four parts in their luminous body. The energy of other human beings is divided in two parts. A man whose energetic body is divided in four parts without nagual training is called a “double man”. They are the ones that a seer may approach to be their apprentice for the nagual role, one of the roles in the world of the seer.

            2. Diane – makes no difference. Shape-shifters exist. The Toltec connection to the Yaqui does not.

              1. Nobody has yet to explain the disappearance of The Toltecs. Coincidence?

      2. Diane – no one has ever caught a shape-shifter in their alternate shape. So, there is no evidence one way or the other on the DNA question.

          1. Diane – I live in the Southwest where we have shape-shifters and Brujos. I didn’t smoke anything.

  2. Out of curiosity, how many defenders of liberty are willing to propose that The United States Senate should subpoena a DNA test from Senator Warren as part of an ethics investigation into her claimed ancestry?

    On the odd chance that the answer to the foregoing question is that none of the defenders of liberty would subpoena a DNA test from Senator Warren, then . . . What’s up with all of the breast-beating, garment-rending, hair-pulling ululation from the defenders of liberty about Senator Warren’s claimed ancestry?

    Are you all still going through withdrawal over the demise of your beloved Birther conspiracy???

    1. Diane – I think some tribe is going to take her to court for a DNA test. They do not want her as a member, she is making them look bad. #ReleaseTheDNA

    2. how many defenders of liberty are willing to propose that The United States Senate should subpoena a DNA test from Senator Warren as part of an ethics investigation into her claimed ancestry?

      Not only do I never think about Warren, I couldn’t care less about her ancestry. It’s her progressive ideology that is abhorrent. I’m not surprised you would consider the idea of forcing her to take a DNA test and try to malign defenders of liberty in the process.

      But by all means keep logging your trite commentary to rack up those frequent posting miles. I’m sure someone won’t notice and be impressed.

  3. “Character, not color.”

    It applies here equally well.

    I have no idea how well Senator Warren did as an employee of Harvard University. Don’t actually care. She seems to be a more than average senator, certainly more so than HRC.

    Let us try to have this space be more about the law and not at all about idle gossip fit only for the pages of the Daily Tatler.

  5. Senator Warren used her alleged Indian heritage to benefit her at the very least politically. When someone suggests that she only need to take the DNA test to establish fact to what she proffers she refuses to do so. Why? because she knows her past statements are not true, that she is a race opportunist and a consummate politician. It is just like politician’s favorite tactic of humblebragging their way to curry favor with voters, that enable her and them to remain in a position of influence and power. Had she actually fully embraced aligning herself with a passion for maintaining integrity, she would not engage in the practices she does.

    Now she proffers the every tiring claim as being yet another victim by others calling her out on her falsehood by referring to her as Liawatha, Fauxcahontas, or whatever. She earned those monikers through her own false claims and then refusing to at least come clean with the truth.

    Oh and the old “I know what I am so I don’t need to test”, as if we are supposed to believe any common liar and politician when they say they know they tell the truth and expect we the citizens to accept them at their word.

    “But, But..she is helping us blah blah”. To those that claim this, there you go again. Cutting your own integrity down so that you can lap up these reprehensible politicians’ table scraps. All you do is enable bad behavior and whatever future lies and corruption that unrestrained power inevitably brings.

    Maybe if the public uniformly insisted that politicians adhered to honorable service and respect of the law and the citizenry we would see less of charlatans such as Senator Warren, the Clintons, Traficants, or the Jimmy Walkers.

    1. Look. I know that I am part Amerindian because my mother told me about some of her mother’s heritage. That’s enough.

      Same for Senator Warren.

      Don’t you think this all belongs on the pages of the Daily Tatler and nowhere else?

      What a bunch of idle gossips…

      1. “Don’t you think this all belongs on the pages of the Daily Tatler and nowhere else?”

        Yep, and same for Elizabeth Warren.

    2. “….because she knows her past statements are not true…her own false claims…believe any common liar….Cutting your own integrity down…”

      So, you can prove that she’s a liar or you just think she is? If it’s the latter, STFU, if it’s the former, put up or shut up.

    3. If she did take a DNA test, and proved that she was correct, would all of you STFU then? Would you apologize?

      Or are you a bunch of birth certificate obsessed truffers, which no amount of evidence will satisfy?

      Some questions answer themselves.

      1. Don Joe – if she passed a DNA test it would surprise several genealogists. However, I think her chances are slim and none. #ReleaseTheDNA

    4. Darren Smith said, “Senator Warren used her alleged Indian heritage to benefit her at the very least politically.”

      From the Free Dictionary entry on the word tort:

      “Three elements must be established in every tort action. First, the plaintiff must establish that the defendant was under a legal duty to act in a particular fashion. Second, the plaintiff must demonstrate that the defendant breached this duty by failing to conform his or her behavior accordingly. Third, the plaintiff must prove that he suffered injury or loss as a direct result of the defendant’s breach.”

      Can Darren Smith demonstrate that Senator Warren is under a legal duty to refrain from using her ancestry for political benefit? Can Darren Smith demonstrate that Senator Warren has breached her supposed duty to refrain from using her ancestry for political benefit? Can Darren Smith demonstrate that he has suffered injury or loss as a direct result of Senator Warren’s supposed breach of her supposed duty to refrain from using her ancestry for political benefit? Can Darren Smith identify anything in The Constitution or case law proscribing the use of one’s ancestry for political benefit?

      Finally, is it no longer possible, let alone permissible, for a White man, such as Darren Smith, to use his White ancestry for his own political benefit???

  6. So how many of the people here proclaiming that we have the right to know about Warren’s heritage also say we have the right to know about the relationship between Trump and Stormy Daniels and about Trump’s tax returns?

    What information is more important? What information, if it remains concealed, is more likely to permit others to blackmail the current leaders of the USA?

  7. If her IQ was room temp or better she’d just do the DNA test now, and then she’s got two years to put it behind her to run for POTUS.

    No way on earth she has a snow ball’s chance in hell of getting the nomination with this dead bird hanging ’round her neck.

    Even persons suffering from terminal TDS have to admit he’s got one heck of a penchant for nick names, such as Pocahontas for this brain dead Progressive (I know, redundant) Warren.

    1. Irrelevant. She stated that she is not going to bother to run for president.

      1. DBB – re: “She stated that she is not going to bother to run for president” Then she’s a lot brighter than I thought. After she refused to endorse Bernie and then appeared literally hand in hand with HRC at a rally she was finished as a presidential hopeful. Only Dim I can think of who might be a winning candidate is Tulsi Gabbard – but many people, even longtime Dims have never heard of her because the MSM gives her 0 coverage.

        1. Autumn – Warren is not running for President NOW. She is very careful how she phrases it.

    2. Yes, Trump does have a flair for showing us exactly who he is.

      An unabashed bigot, proud and seemingly righteous, not unlike Archie Bunker.

      Those who feel similarly, naturally, feel that he’s also speaking for them, and they feel emboldened to also lash out verbally against those that look different, state that they are different (even if it’s only 1/16th), or that they disagree with.

      I say, please, feel free to do so, show us who you really are. Stop pretending, so that then the rest of us will know and see you clearly, through your words. So that we may shun you and shame you, as your behavior is unacceptable in a civil society.

      Call it being PC, that’s fine. Shunning is what it is. It is an ancient, time tested, technique of behavior modification for antisocial jerks, and it works.

      1. Don Joe – you want to punish free speech by shunning it? How very liberal of you.

        1. You want to punish free speech by issuing a subpoena for a DNA test? How fascist of you.

          1. Diane – in any of my posts have you seen me want to subpoena her DNA? No, you have not. I think the whole thing is funny. It is a tempest in a teapot and she could have ended it quickly, but she kept doubling down. Now, she is between a rock and a hard place. She is a rat in a maze, but she cannot find the exit and there is no cheese, so she just runs back and forth, back and forth. And the problem is not going to go away.

            1. Paul Caviler Schulte said, “Diane – I think some tribe is going to take her to court for a DNA test.”

              Paul Caviler Schulte also said, “Diane – in any of my posts have you seen me want to subpoena her DNA? No, you have not.”

              Paul Caviler Schulte further said, “. . . but she kept doubling down.”

              Paul Caviler Schulteacher is exactly as agnostic as a rug.

              1. Diane – some tribe asking for her DNA is not me asking for a subpoena for her DNA. #ReleaseTheDNA

            2. re :She is a rat in a maze, but she cannot find the exit and there is no cheese, so she just runs back and forth, back and forth.” Great description Paul! She brought this on herself.

              1. Autumn – she does have that “deer caught in the headlights look” about her. 🙂

      2. “Yes, Trump does have a flair for showing us exactly who he is.”

        Trump is a bit coarse, certainly not a bigot. However, he is very effective. Vote Trump 2020.

    3. Tweet of the day:

      Donald Trump attacked the
      following people yesterday:

      Elizabeth Warren
      Maxine Waters
      Nancy Pelosi
      Hillary Clinton
      Oprah Winfrey
      Chuck Todd
      George Bush
      Barack Obama

      If you think a president standing behind a podium & insulting people makes America great then you are the problem.

      — Ryan Knight

      1. Don Joe – every one of those people listed has attacked the President. Is he supposed to just take it lying down?

        1. Trump attacked every one of those people first. Were they supposed to just take it lying down?

              1. Diane – so you can’t prove it. Well, that takes care of that.

                    1. Don Joe said, “Donald Trump attacked the following people yesterday: Elizabeth Warren, Maxine Waters, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Oprah Winfrey, Chuck Todd, George Bush and Barack Obama.”

                      Paul C. Schulte said, “Every one of those people listed has attacked the President.”

                      L4D said , “Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit, non ei qui negat.”

                      Paul C. Schulte said, “You are using it improperly.”

                    2. From the Wikipedia article on the burden of proof:

                      “When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim especially when it challenges a perceived status quo.”

                      Paul made the claim that Trump engaged in retaliatory attacks. L4D disputed that Trump’s attacks were retaliatory. Paul shifted the burden of proof from his claim to L4D’s claim. Now Paul complains that L4D is improperly shifting the burden of proof back onto to Paul’s claim where it belonged to begin with. Paul is playing Ping-Pong with the onus probandi.

                    3. Diane – you are still using it wrong. And you misplaced who was supposed to answer whom. The problem with using a new toy is that often you don’t read all the directions. 😉

          2. Diane wrote: “Trump attacked every one of those people first.”

            That places the ball in your court and you have the burden of proof. Knowing the Latin term is braggadocio unless you understand what the Latin term means.

            1. Trump attacked Obama first and repeatedly. Trump attacked Clinton first and repeatedly. Trump attacked George Bush first and repeatedly. Trump attacked Nancy Pelosi first and repeatedly. Trump attacked Oprah Winfrey first and who knows how many times. Since Chuck Todd is a member of the media at MSNBC, and since Trump has constantly attacked the media and MSNBC, therefore Trump attacked Chuck Todd first.

              That leaves Elizabeth Warren and Maxine Waters who may have attacked Trump first. Frankly, its hard to keep track of Trump’s constant attacks upon whole hosts of people who refuse to knuckle under to Trump’s constant attacks upon them. And that, too, was part of Don Joe’s original point. Trump goes well out of his way to pick fights with people who then fight back while Trump plays the victim. Trump is a crybaby bully boy who never developed past the emotional age of a 10-12 year old juvenile delinquent. It’s the number one reason you all love Trump so well. That and his misogyny.

              1. Diane – now I am going to ask you to back up each of these statements. I just watched re-runs of the Election night coverage of 2016 and the pearl-clutching by the liberal press was unbelievable. The Young Turks declared war on Trump on Election night. I was surprised there were not more suicides on air. There certainly were a lot of meltdowns.

                So, I am asking you, can you prove that Trump attacked these people before they attacked him? This will keep you busy the rest of the day.

              2. Diane originally wrote: “Trump attacked every one of those people first.”

                She then used Latin to impress us telling Paul it was his burden of proof, not hers, but as explained above she was wrong as usual. The burden of proof belongs to Diane. Presently she is repeating herself in a different form rather than providing the proof. This is Diane’s method of discussion and it is worthless.

  8. There was one report of a connection that fits except the individual who claimed to have the document never produced it. Atlantic Magazine crried the piece some years ago. O.C. Sarah something and it was an application for marriage but not the actual license worked out to be the 1/16th

    but the same article through all of that out as even the three tribal councils rebuked it the main emphasis was on the use of the ‘native american’ check block when working for Harvard. snd it was the other indigene professors and students who wondered why she shunned their invitations to meetings.

  9. Since Harvard is a private institution, WTF is it to you all whom they hire? Or what the criteria are?

    For a bunch of free-market loving, red blooded Americans, many of you sure seem to have your panties in a twist about an employment contract between private parties… get a life.

    If Sen. Warren asked for benefits or a payout, as would be her due, from the BIA administrated Native American trust that is the modern vessel that possesses the stolen native peoples land, and the mineral wealth intrinsic to it, then, it might be reasonable to ask her to prove via birth, death, marriage certificates that she was entitled to it. Like any other inheritance.

    Demanding her blood, or a blood test, is outrageous. People are given passports (citizenships), inherit enormous sums of money, and a myriad of other important life changing and monumental benefits based solely on the strength of their documentary records, no blood test needed.

    This assumption that she would lie about it, or that she can’t be part Native American for some unstated reason (not dark enough? Wtf?), is just wrong. And stupid.

    2. Is it a private Institution? It is one of over just over 2,000 universities and colleges in the nation all of which except for two are on the dole from the tax payers and as such all come under the guidance and direction of the Department of Education. It is no more prvate than the local grade or high school which complying to the standards of the State Board of Education.

      The two exceptions are Grove City in western Pennsylvania and Hillsdale in South Central Michigan.

      What makes it the business of the nation is when a candidate for a public office freely uses such information t bolster their candidacy and is found to be wanting.to go on the goverenment dole for any public office

      For example one who jumped to unfounded conclusion about the existence of private education facilitites.

      As to why part Two . that has long been part of series of law suits starting immediately after the Revolutionary War which finally ended up producinig Money as Free Speech and comes under the Commerce clauses Someone in Nevada has the right to know what a Bachelor’s Degree really means applied to a graduation certificate from South Carolina. as it materially affects the out come of their work, if hired, for the Nevada business.

      For example are they prone to jump to subjective but unproven unfounded conclusions? it”s a matter of national standards same as the width of a free way lane. and calling it stupid is therefore an indicator of the lack of educational standards in which ever institutioin of spurious learning you attended … having demonstrated that publicly in this blog.

      In this day and age of internet research at one’s fingertips i marvel at the inability of those in these conversations to do basic research so ltet us return to the case of Pocahauntus. in the reply section below.

      1. Wow but you are misinformed!

        The Department of Education has no say of any kind regarding any post-secondary school.

        Just Making Stuff Up.

      2. About five to ten minutes of research reveals the Atlantic magazine covered this in depth from more than one side or angle and found one individual who ‘claimed’ but never produced evidence of one OC Sarah ……last name redacted….applying for a wedding license (But not a marriage certificate in the family tree of Senator Warren. exactly the right age to produce a 1/16th native american indigenes. Make of it what you will the article also and in detail related efforts to register in one of the three Cherokee tribal councils all refused and why, by one Senator Elizabeth Warren.

        Thus the trail ended but leads one to believe well? possibly enough to suipport grandma’s story but also just enough to be planted evidence. Certainly not good enough to be objective.

        I mention that to show the requirements of making such claims without contributing objective facts and reasoning in lieu of subjective and unsupported fairy tails but also because an obvjectivist would still keep an open mind

        but as for your other statement no they are far and away NOT private institutions when they accept public dole and and seek prublic approval.

        1. Still uninformed. Harvard University is not “on the public dole”.

          It does do research supported by federal dollars. So do many another private, that is, not owned by a government, institutions.

          1. David Benson – Harvard and Yale are “owned” by the CIA. They use them as a recruiting ground. 😉

            1. The CIA hired Elizabeth Warren??? Because she checked a box for Native American???

              1. Diane – you really have got to get your head in the game. What was I responding to? BTW, the CIA recruits students, not faculty and they wouldn’t go after Fauxahauntas, she couldn’t pass a background test.

          2. Ivy League Colleges Get HUGE Subsidies From Federal Gov’t
            The most exclusive and elite private colleges are heavily subsidized by taxpayer funds, according to a report on funds that Ivy League colleges receive from the federal government.

            The eight schools received more than $30 billion in taxpayer funds between 2010 and 2014,

            http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/17/ivy-league-colleges-get-huge-subsidies-from-federal-govt/

            Wikipedia: “Harvard University’s endowment (valued at $37.6 billion as of 2015)[1] is the largest academic endowment in the world.[2]”

            Until recently tax-free.

            1. Daily Caller is another name for the Daily Tatler. Don’t believe what you read there.

              1. “Don’t believe what you read there.”

                David, They are at least as accurate as the NYTimes and possibly more, but I am cautious reading anything. The calculations might be different between different presenters of taxpayer benefits, but the substance is absolutely true. Would you like to provide contrary information? Of course not. That is not your style. You like to shoot from the hip.

    3. Don Joe – it is genealogists who say she is lying or at least has her family history wrong. Now I do know that families can have stories, we have a couple in my family and it took my uncle, who became a registered genealogist to crack them open.

      She used the Native American box to tick a hiring box at both U. Penn and Harvard. Would she have been hired without ticking the box, I do not know. However, it helped both U. Penn and Harvard with their racial equality hiring practices.

      1. You bleeding heart Liberal, you! You’re now complaining that the White woman, Elizabeth Warren, stole, not one, but two jobs from, not one, but two minorities at, not one, but two Universities.

  10. How about concentrating on her effectiveness as senator?

    Her exact DNA doesn’t matter.

    By the way, I am 1/16th Amerindian and it is irrelevant. More important is that I grew up in a community with some Pueblo Amerindians. I like and respect their culture.

    1. David Benson – there are very few Pueblo communities, which one did you live in? I have been to a couple and had my wedding rings designed by a silversmith at Second Mesa.

        1. David Benson – I don’t remember any Pueblo peoples along the Rio Grande. Which tribe and where? I am intellectually curious.

  12. (music)
    She was born… in Oklahoma///
    Her mom’s name was Betty Lou Thelma Liz…
    She’s not responsible for what she’s doing…
    Her Osage made her what she is.

    Cause its up against the wall Redskin mothers…
    Mothers who have raised their sons so welll.

    etc

    1. God bless Jerry Jeff who garnered the impression of being a Good Ole Boy from TX.Truth be said,he was from Glens Falls, NY.

  13. She appears to be self identifying her race as is becoming popular on college admissions as discussed earlier by JT.
    But why? What is her end game?

    1. She has to concentrate on gaining lost ground for the Senate Seat and all is not well in Ma’chu say ets for the Okie from Muskogee.where she is seen as someone who does nothing for the State and is using it as stepping stone. So far she’s ticked off the bulk of her party with the racist ploy to get the Harvard Job and provided nothing in return for her almost six years in their employ. Hard to run for something higher when you have no home base and that’s neither Oklahoma Nor Massachusetts.

      1. BS, pulled out of….

        You now speak for the whole State of Mass, the bulk of the Dem party, the Harvard admin, and Oklahoma too? Based on what? Nada.

        Jeez, who do you think you are, David Brooks?

    2. Don Dachner – at Harvard she was the only “woman of color” on the law faculty. She was invited 3 times to speak at the student Native American assoc. and turned it down every time. This was a woman who supposed listed her membership so she could be around more of her people. She never associated with them. She pulled the same stunt at U. Penn.

  14. If her parents are from Oklahoma then there’s a good chance she is part Native American. She is in favor of trying to keep the banks honest. And trying to keep the American people from bailing them out if and when they fail. Why can’t people focus on that?

          1. David Benson – she has memorized a story about her parents (which is not true) and tells it exactly the same regardless of who interviews her. It is Kabuki Theatre. She is the one making things up. She is telling the Big Lie. She probably will still be re-elected, but this has got to be hurting her. She is playing defense when she should be playing offense.

    2. If she cherishes and reveres honesty, as much as she claims, it is odd and weird that she steadfastly refuses to prove her questionable heritage. In reality, no one really cares about her ancestors; she is, in effect, irrelevant; however, she has made it a point of claiming to be, Native American. She has benefitted by claiming to be, Native American. She has advanced in life upon attesting to being, Native American. She received her job at Harvard because she was, allegedly, Native American. She has made her ancestry an issue and a focal point–had she not done so, no one would give a flying flip about her and the wigwams of her past.

    3. As for Wells Fargo they discovered the problem in their own bank on their own and moved to correct it on their own and the feds got into it only AFTER they had done that on their own so I don’t see what good Warren is doing by going through her fascist state economics song and dance certainly hasn’t made me switch to another bank. If you want a real target lizzie warden try bank america.

      1. Fascist state economics song and dance?

        Lol, let’s see how you feel when you’ve had your retirement account decimated by the laissez-faire attitude of the regulators put in under this admin.

        You’ll be thanking Jebus for social security, oh, wait….the freshwater school economists have their eyes on that too…

    4. Jane Peters – Warren wants the banks to means test themselves all the time. Time for Warren to be means tested by DNA. Her grandmother would have been on the tribal membership rolls, she is not. In fact, newspaper accounts belie the story Warren is telling of the wedding. She has really dug into this story though, in the face of overwhelming evidence against it. Her news conference in AZ (home of more Indians than any other state) did not sound like she was “not running” it sounded just the opposite.

      With the Democratic Party talking about getting rid of super-delegates, some are salivating over a Sanders/Warren ticket. She has to remain viable nationally.

    5. “The 2009 version of Elizabeth Warren wouldn’t stand for the financial shenanigans of 2014’s Elizabeth Warren. Once upon a time, you see, before joining Congress, Elizabeth Warren was a tenacious government watchdog. She charged that the Troubled Asset Relief Program, created in the wake of the 2008 recession, was exposing taxpayers to risky investments and thereby imposing costs that the feds were low-balling. She wrote letters, published reports, testified before Congress and demanded answers from tight-lipped administration officials. It was an admirable performance.

      But then she became a politician, herself. In advocating for enhancing the federal student loan program, the now-senator from Massachusetts has taken the other side of her own argument, completely disregarding the cost of market risk. And she’s not alone in her inconsistency. Government accounting has become a political tool with politicians selectively hiding or exposing costs, depending on whether they support the program in question.”

      https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/11/warren-the-politician-eases-her-watchdog-stand-112758

      If you are really interested in the shenanigans that took place read Neil Barofsky’s book “Bailout”. He was the IG (Democrat) for the TARP bailout who was intentionally kept in the dark by our politicians.

  15. Rest assured, if Sen. Warren was a Native American, she would have proved it years ago. No doubt she has already sent her DNA out and found out she’s been lying all these years.

    2. Absolutely. No doubt about it. Fauxchahontas knows that she has being lying, for years, and she wants to keep playing the victim card. She is the Rachel Dolzal of the Senate. . .even if it is determined that she has been pulling a con for years, she will inform us that she self-identified as Native American in order to wiggle out of the lie thar she has been spouting to advance herself all these years.

    3. I have said the same thing, No way that she hasn’t already paid for a DNA test. The question is why she will not reveal the findings. Two options:

      1) The test reveals that she has no Indian blood whatsoever, and she fears confirming that she has been lying, or been less than candid;

      2) The test reveals that she does have some Injun blood in her, and she is going to foot drag this along until a few weeks before the election, finally give in to the test, and VOILA! – – – the GOP looks like idiots, lose one of their major anti-Warren points, and she comes off looks liking a poor little old woman who was telling the truth all along.

      Here is my strategic assessment. Change to a “Release the Test!” campaign, instead of the “She’s lying!” campaign. That way, the focus is put on her deception and attempt to let an issue fester, rather than trying to say she is lying when she may actually have an Indian ancestor.

      I notice there is an Ancestry.com commercial running on TV where some white dude discovers he is part Indian, and he is sitting there around the camp fire smoking peace pipes and beating on a tom tom. On the screen, a chart posts up, where it shows 6% Native American DNA. That’s 1/16 and means one of his great great grandparents was an Indian.

      I would not be surprised if Warren is the about the same, or even less.

      Squeeky Fromm
      Girl Reporter

      2. Squeeky – genealogists have followed her family tree past the Trail of Tears and can find NO Indian blood. Now she does claim to be part Deleware, but at this point, it wouldn’t even be fractionable.

    4. mike peterman – I could go both ways on this one. She doesn’t test it for fear of what she will find out and she does test it and finds out she has been lying for 30 years.

      1. Caviler, you just asserted that Warren doesn’t know the truth of her ancestry. And yet you claim that she lies like a rug. Admittedly, rugs do not knowingly lie, because rugs literally don’t know anything at all. How about you, Schulte? Do you know when you’re lying like a rug? Or are you agnostic on that count as well?

        1. Diane – I try not to lie. It is so much easier to just tell the truth. I remember instances when I was teaching when we would be forced to lie to the students because it was the “party line.” It really bothered me. I am an honest person by nature.

          1. If you’ll recall from yesterday’s discussion, Squeeky linked to an article that showed that men are more likely to deny lying than women are. If so, then Warren is less likely to deny lying than Schulte is.

            1. Diane – less likely is not never. It is statistical probability, but given Warren’s track record, I put my money on lying.

        2. If he is typing, he is lying; such a worthless life, he gets his kicks by obfuscating and passes it off as wit.

          1. YNOT, you oversold your point–a bit. There’s no such thing as a worthless life.

          2. YNOT – unless you lived my life you would not know if it was worthless or not. My personal opinion is that it is not. I am comfortable enough with my life to use my real name on this blog, which you are not. And I hit enough hot buttons that you are attacking me. That lets me know I am doing a good job here. I measure my effectiveness by the number of people who attack me personally because I know the message has gotten through. You cannot attack the message, so you must attack the messenger. That is so sad. #ReleaseTheDNA

            1. Paul C. Schulte said, “. . . unless you lived my life you would not know if it was worthless or not.”

              That’s true of every person, Paul. There exist no unexamined lives. It’s a formally untestable hypothesis. And the examination of the worthiness of any given life is not the thing that makes that given life worth living. Otherwise, self-examination would be the sufficient cause for the life worth living.

  16. Let’s face it–Warren is as delusional as she is butch. She squawks about truthfulness and honesty, yet, when something as simple, as a DNA test, could prove whether or not she is Native American–something that she has claimed for decades–ole Fauxchahontas manages to dig her heels in, wailing. . .ain’t nobody gonna take away my irrational and unfounded claims from me. Nobody. My mamma done told me that she was part Native American, so I reckon that’s what I must be, as well. Please, Warren, run against Trump. Pleeeeeeeeez. You would be perfect. Just, perfect. And, if you ever do agree to take the test, where one swabs the inside of one’s cheek to determine ancestry, would you mind taking an additional test, where you pee in a cup? The jury is still out on whether or not you are actually female. I’ve got money riding on this result.

    1. Sadly she withdrew but then she’s a big time tar jay in Mass. Soon she’ll just be as guess comment has been on MS NBC/

      1. Don’t count her out. Not yet. I strongly suspect that she will throw her hat. . .err. . .her head dress. . .into the political ring for the next election. No one declares, with any certainty, this far out, that he or she will run for President. I suspect that she will attempt to run when the time comes. Far too early to make any commitments.

  17. This viper in grandma’s clothes is giving native Americans a bad name. She should take the test so we can all know if she’s got any right to keep saying the things she does. The general public has a right to know the truth.

  18. The story that she keeps repeating about her daddy falling in love with her mommy, and how it was forbidden for mommy had high cheek bones and Indian blood …

    Oh please, do not insult us with that tripe.

    You can’t even answer a question on your heritage from fawning media hacks like Chuck Todd.

    You basically used a false claim of heritage to advance your career. Smarmy at best and a crime at worst.

  19. Since she was hired at Harvard because she was Native American and it checks a box for both her and the school, I think we all have a right to know. This is especially important since her recipe to the Pow Wow Chow book was plagiarized.

    1. Did she falsely claim that Native Americans were to first to invent the boxy and unattractive pantsuit which she seems to fancy?

      1. bam bam – I think the pantsuit is a cultural appropriation from Hillary.

        1. Yes. They both seem to have ancestors emanating from the island of Lesbos.

    1. Strictly speaking native American means born in the USA. Of course she was.

      Part indigenie? Most likely. But it is the culture which matters.

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