Below is my column on The Hill newspaper on the significance (and coverage) of the Washington Post story that President Donald Trump is not a target of the Mueller investigation but only a subject of the investigation. None of this means that the risks for Trump in a sit down interview do not remain high. Even as a subject, he could be accused of false statements — a concern with a President known to go “off script” in meetings.
In terminal medical cases, doctors often deal with patients who move through “stages” that begin with denial. These so-called Kübler-Ross stages can be a long road toward acceptance. A weird form of Kübler-Ross seems to have taken hold of the media. Rather than refusing to accept indicators of impending death, many journalists and analysts seem incapable of accepting signs that the Trump presidency could survive.
That painful process was more evident Tuesday night when the Washington Post reported that special counsel Robert Mueller told the White House last month that Trump was not considered a “target” but only a “subject” of the investigation. After a year of being assured that “bombshell” developments and “smoking gun” evidence was sealing the criminal case against Trump, the dissonance was too great for many who refuse to accept the obvious meaning of this disclosure.
The U.S. Attorney’s manual defines a “subject” as a “person whose conduct is within the scope of the grand jury’s investigation.” It is a designation that can change but it is also a meaningful description of the current status of an individual. Mueller at this time apparently does not believe Trump meets the definition of a target or a “person as to whom the prosecutor or the grand jury has substantial evidence linking him or her to the commission of a crime and who, in the judgment of the prosecutor, is a putative defendant.” That would have been less notable when Mueller was appointed in 2017 than it is now, after more than a year, dozens of criminal counts, hundreds of thousands of documents, and a bevy of cooperating witnesses.
That Mueller does not believe there is “substantial evidence linking [Trump] to the commission of a crime” would seem to merit some, albeit grudging, recognition. However, there has been a disturbing lack of objectivity in the coverage of this investigation from the start. Throughout it, some of us have cautioned that the criminal case against Trump was far weaker than media suggested. Fired FBI Director James Comey himself told Congress that Trump was not a target of his investigation. Indeed, Trump was reportedly upset with Comey largely because Comey would not say that publicly.
When Trump fired Comey, I supported the call for a special counsel, and I still support Mueller in completing his investigation. However, the case of criminal conduct by Trump has not materially improved over the last year. Last October, Mueller brought the first indictments against former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and his deputy, Richard Gates. Notably, none of the indictments were linked to the campaign, let alone Trump. When that obvious point was raised, we were told that it meant nothing and Mueller was likely holding back the really damaging indictments while pressuring Trump aides. Commentators continue to announce “bombshell” disclosures against Trump on a daily basis, with experts alleging clear cases for treason to obstruction to witness tampering and other crimes.
Then, in November, came the disclosure of plea agreements with former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn and former campaign foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos. However, these pleas were for making individual false statements to federal investigators. Neither the charges nor the narratives in the filings tied Trump or his campaign to any criminal act. Later indictments involving lawyer Alex van der Zwaan and internet operator Richard Pinedo involved a false statement and a single count of identity fraud, again unrelated to Trump or his campaign. Nevertheless, commentators insisted Mueller was just laying the groundwork for his major filing.
In February, Mueller handed down indictments of 13 Russian nationals and three Russian organizations for election-related crimes, from hacking to identity fraud. Not only did these charges not implicate Trump or his campaign, but the filing expressly stated that no one in the Trump campaign knowingly engaged Russians in these efforts. Now, Mueller reportedly has said he does not consider Trump a “target” of the criminal investigation. Looking at each of the prior filings, the disclosure would seem consistent with a lack of compelling evidence of a crime by Trump. Indeed, it would indicate Trump’s status has not changed from when Comey told Congress that Trump was not a target.
Still, some analysts immediately denied that Mueller’s disclosure was anything but bad news for Trump. On CNN, legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin insisted that “being a ‘subject’ is a very serious thing” and a “very significant designation” because it is clear “the FBI is investigating the president.” Of course, the only lower designation in a criminal investigation would be “witness.” Moreover, it was confirmed last year that Trump was being investigated.
The obvious point is that, after months of investigating Trump, Mueller still does not have sufficient evidence to make him a “target.” True, a “subject” can become a “target” and a “target” can then become a “defendant,” but so can a “witness.” Clearly, Trump is a subject since he was the subject of the election itself and directly involved in the underlying matters under investigation. What is new is that Mueller confirmed Trump’s status has not changed.
Later, CNN analyst John Dean declared that an assurance Trump is not a target “does not mean a whole lot.” Dean’s rationale was that a president “cannot be indicted,” so Mueller would never have listed him as a target, regardless of the evidence. First and foremost, some of us believe a president can be indicted in office. While there is disagreement, including within the Justice Department and past independent counsels, the Supreme Court has never accepted such immunity from indictment.
More important, even if true, such immunity would not mean Mueller would declare that Trump is not a target. Rather, Trump would remain a target as an unindicted co-conspirator or simply an unindicted person pending impeachment. Once impeached, he still could be indicted. Thus, it would be both illogical and unethical for Mueller to say Trump is not a target when he was pursuing possible charges, either as an unindicted co-conspirator or a post-impeachment defendant.
CNN analyst Philip Mudd was not satisfied with the “soft” depictions of the Mueller disclosure and declared that it was devastating news that Mueller was now investigating Trump and that, if he were declared a subject, “I would wet my pants.” CNN analyst Ryan Lizza went even further, suggesting that this was all a sham and Mueller is playing “chess to get the president into an interview.” Of course, such a bait-and-switch would be unethical in making false representations to the president’s counsel if Trump is already considered a target.
This continued refusal to acknowledge positive developments for Trump is a disturbing pathology. Just because Trump is a subject of investigation does not mean he cannot become a target. Moreover, Mueller as expected has indicated he will prepare a report on his investigation. This still is a positive development for Trump. It shows that Trump’s status has not materially changed but neither has the status of much of the coverage. Many media commentators clearly are stuck on denial and are a long way from acceptance in dealing with the legal status of Donald Trump.
Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University. You can follow him on Twitter @JonathanTurley.
They just can’t get over the simple fact that Trump won the election.
no, he actually didn’t, he swarmed in on the corrupt wave of gerrymandering and the undermining of the election …you refuse to see that don’t you? I guess it’s safer that way….
btw,
are you real? I’m told this site is full of programmed bots….
Wootsty – personally, I am a bot from S. America. I cannot identify the country for fear of firing squad.
Trump wasn’t in politics so he had nothing to do with gerrymandering. His opponent had a lot to do with fixing elections and lining her own pocket at the expense of the nation.
Trump won. Republican governors won (popular vote) Republican Congressmen and Republican Senators won (popular vote)
Let’s look where the Democratic Party is at its strongest, big cities. How is Chicago, Baltimore or Detroit doing? Democrats leave sh-t everywhere they go. In San Francisco what is called a poop map was created. It told people where there would be a lot of poop in the streets.
An old geezer former Hippie decrying the current culture just like he did in the 1960s. We thank you for reminding us that Baby Boomers did this to us
Instead of carrying LSD, Mescaline and dirty needles in his groovy leather satchel embroidered with the proverbial “Peace”sign he now keeps his personal effects in his motorized scooter side basket: Medicare card, Viagra, Zyprexa, and Adderall for day use and a Xanax pouch tucked away in his shriveled white arse
cute
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http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/picture/strober/bill-hillary-clinton-hippie.jpg
pbs.twimg.com/media/CjTRiZlUYAEMhch.jpg:large
Thanks for the memories
American Psycho
Hahahahahaha Now THERE”S the BOT!!!!!!!
bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
anything but facts…and please, don’t shit on Janice Joplin, she was real….go snipe another ‘mass icon’ to deliver your offal….
What gets you is that scads of women will lie down for Bilge Clinton and always have. (Which tells you something you’d rather not know about a fat chunk of the female population). Why did he lash himself to a woman who was ill-groomed, not notably attractive (or unattractive), and has long been known for a absence of scruple and a deeply unpleasant personality? You can see what’s in it for her (though let’s just say that’s a crass approach to life). What was ever in it for him?
Da Clintob’s look kinda lovey in da old days. T rump should have stayed with Ivana. Probably the only one of his wives and side pieces that ever loved him. He is truly a fool when it comes to da ladies. He can’t pay em enough..
legacy
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2050131%21/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/article-cover-1218.jpg
Those seem like da old days. Now we have a debauched tyrant whose party is afraid to impeach him. Now that he is crashin da markets da Koch’s May step up and put da heat in Ryan to throw da tyrant out.
An old geezer former Hippie decrying the current culture just like he did in the 1960s. We thank you for reminding us that Baby Boomers did this to us
Instead of carrying LSD, Mescaline and dirty needles in his groovy leather satchel embroidered with the proverbial “Peace”sign he now keeps his personal effects in his motorized scooter side basket: Medicare card, Viagra, Zyprexa, and Adderall for day use and a Xanax pouch tucked away in his shriveled white arse
bless his little heart…and the digitalis he depends to live
The door to the common room in Bedlam was left open again. Below you will find the recorded conversations.
HA HA HA. For sure.
Addressing the US news media only legitimizes their existence.
If anything they make 1990s communist run Pravda and Granma look accurate and reliable, and not even the former USSR and Cuba’s communist leaders accomplished that. Heck, Tim Russert would hang a noose and step off if he had lived to see what has befallen his former industry. Chuck Todd is no Tim Russert
Exhibit A: Youtube feminist, Vegan, Peta crazed, immigrant, Muslim, Smith and Wesson gun owner is no longer a story.
Shocking!
Had the “gun man” been anything else, DC would have yet another march of 500 students walking out of schools while Madonna wearing a pink pussy hat screaming obscenities promising to blow up the White House
cue the transcript from Youtube
0:09AT YOUTUBE’S HEADQUARTERS IN
0:14CALIFORNIA LEFT ONLY THE SHOOTER
0:16DEAD.
0:17THE KILLER WAS AN IRANIAN
0:25REFUGEE NAMED NASIM AGHDAM.
0:30LET’S PRETEND THIS IS NOT THE 8
0:32P.M. SHOW ON FOX NEWS.
0:35IT’S SOMEWHERE ELSE.
0:37CNN OR ANY OTHER CABLE CHANNEL
0:39OR NEWSPAPER IN AMERICA.
0:40IF THAT WERE TRUE WE WOULD HAVE
0:44TO DRAW HARD-AND-FAST
0:46CONCLUSIONS FROM THIS TRAGEDY.
0:48WE DON’T KNOW MUCH BUT SWEEPING
0:52DUMB GENERALIZATION ARE THAT THE
0:53MEDIA DO.
0:54WE WOULD DO THAT.
0:56AND WE NEED A SPECIFIC SCRIPT.
0:58WHAT DO WE CONCLUDE FROM WHAT
1:00HAPPENED YESTERDAY?
1:01FIRST THE SHOOTER A WAY WOMAN.
1:06CLEARLY AMERICA HAS A PROBLEM
1:09WITH TOXIC FEMININITY.
1:12WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT PROBLEM
1:13RIGHT AWAY.
1:14THEN THERE IS THE GUN.
1:16WE FOCUS ON THE GUN BECAUSE
1:17NOTHING IS MORE PIVOTAL IN A
1:19SHOOTING THAN THE WEAPON USED.
1:21IT’S ALWAYS THE GUN’S FAULT.
1:23THE IS THAT RIGHT — THE SHOOTER
1:30IN THIS CASE USED A SMITH AND
1:33WESSON GUN.
1:36THEY NEED TO BE BANNED.
1:38THE SHOOTER WAS A VEGAN AND A
1:44SUPPORTER OF PETA.
1:48LET’S HOPE CNN HOSTS A TOWN HALL
1:51MEETING TO SCREAM AT PETA
https://youtu.be/yATFCh7Fi3w
perhaps it’s not the ‘media’ per se….perhaps it’s the massive gates they have built around them? Gosh….what if it’s the NETWORKS!!!!!!!! SHIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTT!!!!!!! What if it’s the ………..
MAAAAAAAANNNNNN!!!!
phuck…..we are phucked…….
“This continued refusal to acknowledge positive developments for Trump is a disturbing pathology”
Pathology?
Nah.
Ever since the Clinton FUNDation was cut off from their raw materials to traffic in global opiate distribution, we now see the measurable and observable effects and behaviors: fentanyl withdrawal symptoms. Instead of engaging in intelligent discourse, they have morphed into….well, let the prestigious WaPo and revered Bernie Sanders articulate it:
“Brock’s sales pitch to mega-donors such as George Soros and Susie Tompkins Buell has always been, essentially, that the right wing weaponized propaganda and that the only answer is to take a gun to the knife fight. But Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.)was on target in 2016 when he said of Brock: “I don’t think you hire scum of the Earth to be on your team just because the other side does it.”
It’s gross, it’s demoralizing, and — look around — it doesn’t work.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/one-hillary-clinton-supporters-rotten-political-empire/2018/01/02/ec207e7c-efe2-11e7-b390-a36dc3fa2842_story.html
Now they are left to discuss purple catfish, light green catfish, bottom dwelling catfish and other batsheet crazy behaviors
https://imgur.com/gallery/Q2M7F
Rut Row:
Justice Department Misses Deadline To Hand Over FBI Documents On FISA, Clinton Foundation
April 5, 2018
The Justice Department failed to meet an initial deadline to give the House Judiciary Committee 1.2 million documents related to the charging decisions in the Hillary Clinton email investigation, possible abuses of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and the FBI Office of Professional Responsibility’s recommendation to fire former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe.
A Republican Judiciary Committee aide told Fox News late Thursday that the Justice Department had “not yet” complied with the March 22 subpoena issued by committee chairman Rep. Bob Goodlatte, R-Va. The aide added that the committee was “working with officials at DOJ to take immediate steps to comply with the subpoena and produce documents to the Committee.”
A Justice Department official confirmed to Fox News that the department was “in ongoing communication with Chairman Goodlatte.”
More…
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/05/justice-department-misses-deadline-to-hand-over-fbi-documents-on-fisa-clinton-foundation.html
Muller, Rosenstein, and Comey: The Three Amigos from the Deep State
https://rogerstone1.wordpress.com/2017/06/23/muller-rosenstein-and-comey-the-three-amigos-from-the-deep-state/
You’ve lost ten IQ points by mentioning Roger Stone AND the deep state in the same post.
This is fake news.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=lisa+barsoomian+rod+rosenstein&t=hf&ia=web
Professor, I’m a long-time fan of yours, but I continue to be baffled by you constantly free-passing Trump. Referring to constant and provable lying as “going off script”? Come on. What’s happened to you?
I would say just the opposite to express the moderate centrist view point and since as usual no sites, cites, quotes, specific sources nor publication airing dates are offered I would wonder why you would make such spurious claims …..
Are you a Troll or are you just getting your info from the Fake News outlets like CNN, MSNBC, Wapo, NYT, CBS, NBC, ABC, AP, etc….
You might try Infowars, DailyCaller, TheLibertyDaily.com, USAWatchdog.com among a few of reliable news outlets.
I noticed even Prof Turley isn’t telling his readers much of the inside the ball game stuff.
Like how long has Rosenstein’s wife worked for the CIA & defended Commie/Nazis like the Bushs’ & Clintons?
You might try Infowars, DailyCaller, TheLibertyDaily.com, USAWatchdog.com among a few of reliable news outlets.
This is the funniest thing I’ve ever seen on this site. For those who are still sane and don’t know anything about these sites, please do NOT waste a minute of your valuable time.
The Resist fascists are openly joking in US broadcasting about doing in our nation what they have done in other countries with George Soros billions of dollars
“Kamala Harris Jokes about Killing Trump, Pence, Sessions”
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/kamala-harris-jokes-about-killing-trump-pence-sessions/
http://ratchetfights.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/30261430_909464749225491_3942501522113298432_n-696×365.jpg
The source cited had nothing to connect it to Camella Motor Mouth’s joke which in it’s original form was . “If you were walking by the lake and saw the school superintendent drowning do you know what steps to take to save him/her?”
“No”
“Good.”
First heard it it 20 plus years ago from hijacked members of the Teachers Union who refused to go on strike.
Kamala Harris will NEVER be eligible.
Kamala Harris’ parents were foreign citizens at the time of her birth.
The U.S. Constitution, Article 1, Section 2, Clause 5, requires the President to be a “natural born citizen,” which, by definition in the Law of Nations, requires “parents who are citizens” at the time of birth of the candidate and must be “…born of a father who is a citizen;…”
Ben Franklin thanked Charles Dumas for the Law of Nations which “…has been continually in the hands of the members of our Congress, now sitting,…”
The Jay/Washington letter of July, 1787, raised the presidential
requirement from citizen to “natural born citizen” to place a “strong
check” against foreign allegiances by the commander-in-chief.
Every American President before Obama had two parents who were American citizens.
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Law of Nations, Vattel, 1758
Book 1, Ch. 19
§ 212. Citizens and natives.
“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all
their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born.
I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Ben Franklin letter December 9, 1775, thanking Charles Dumas for 3 copies of the Law of Nations:
“…I am much obliged by the kind present you have made us of your edition of Vattel. It came to us in good season, when the circumstances of a rising state make it necessary frequently to consult the law of nations. Accordingly that copy, which I kept, (after depositing one in our own public library here, and sending the other to the College of Massachusetts Bay, as you directed,) has been continually in the hands of the members of our Congress, now sitting, who are much pleased with your notes and preface, and have entertained a high and just esteem for their author…”
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
To George Washington from John Jay, 25 July 1787
From John Jay
New York 25 July 1787
Dear Sir
I was this morning honored with your Excellency’s Favor of the 22d
Inst: & immediately delivered the Letter it enclosed to Commodore
Jones, who being detained by Business, did not go in the french Packet,
which sailed Yesterday.
Permit me to hint, whether it would not be wise & seasonable to
provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the
administration of our national Government, and to declare
expressly that the Command in chief of the american army shall not be given to, nor devolved on, any but a natural born Citizen.
Mrs Jay is obliged by your attention, and assures You of her perfect
Esteem & Regard—with similar Sentiments the most cordial and sincere
I remain Dear Sir Your faithful Friend & Servt
John Jay
The DOJ/FBI complex is refusing to provide the People, through their Congress, the non-redacted truth of the conspiracy.
This, the most prodigious scandal in American political history, began well before President Trump was a candidate and goes back to Obama.
_____________________________
The Assistant Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation of the United States of America
“wants to be lawyer”.
Alternatively, the Commander of the Deep State, Barry Soetoro, ordered him out, fearing the unpredictable and volatile FBI AD couldn’t keep the secrets.
_____________________________
The demand for documents from Congress is an “…unprecedented wave of oversight requests…” which, apparently, overwhelmed the courageous, patriotic and, apparently, fickle Greg Brower.
Washington (CNN)
The FBI’s top liaison on Capitol Hill is out.
Greg Brower, an FBI assistant director and head of the Office of Congressional Affairs, stepped down last Friday after a year on the job. In the role, Brower was on the receiving end of a pack of congressional probes into the law enforcement agency’s conduct.
The decision, a “tough” one he made of his own accord, Brower said, follows other high-level departures from the bureau as FBI Director Christopher Wray assembles his own team of close advisers.
“It was tough but I had an offer I couldn’t refuse from a great law firm,” Brower said in an interview Thursday. “It was very gratifying to be a part of that team. I could not be more proud of how people work and how committed they are to the mission.”
As the creator of the most prodigious scandal in American political history,
all roads lead to Obama.
I would nominate LBJ for The Vietnam War or FDR for “How To Destroy An Economy” or Woodrow Wilson for “How to Destory A Nation? Then as runners up Obeyme for “The Lost Legacy,” W.J. Cllinton for both “Good Reasons For Divorce” or ‘Balancing A Budget – in Three Directions.” and once again
Obeyme for “Eight Years With Nothing To Show. ” Any of the fore going for “The Never Ending Wars of…..”
CV Brown, that was mean.
The David Brock paid trolls (e.g. Natacha, Linda “the catfish catfish”, Peter “cry me a river” Hill, et al) complain about x, y and z, to detract from the election results. Resist! is their new found religion….same as the previous one they peddled during Hillary email fiasco
And yet….
Joe Scarborough, of all Trump haters, commenting on Loretta Lynch meeting privately with Bill Clinton on private airplane in Arizona airport tarmac
“You cant make this up”
https://youtu.be/HlOuqfifDxg?t=3m18s
http://observer.com/2016/07/exclusive-security-source-details-bill-clinton-maneuver-to-meet-loretta-lynch/
Obama’s arrogance was rewarded by the MSM while the Clinton cultists instill revolt today
Thank God for the Second Amendment!!! Resist indeed…..
We will race hell in da Trumpocracy and you can’t stop us. Da blue wave is comin.
And like the last election lose the race and drown. El burro ahogado… oh no el burro eres tu
The “election results”–you mean Hillary’s victory in the popular vote? Talk about being stuck in denial.
purple Linda is a catfish.
^^^^ Purple
https://m.imgur.com/BoZ9qF5
As the creator of the most prodigious scandal in American political history,
all roads lead to Obama.
MSM is Fox and AP. The others are now three or four year veterans of the LSM
JT complains that the media aren’t objective in reporting about Trump. Explain to me, please, the objective means of reporting about a man who not only grabs womens’ genitalia, but brags about it. How do news media objectively report about a President who places equal blame on protesters and White Supremacists when a protester gets run down and killed by a White Supremacist? Or, how about describing Mexican migrants as rapists, a factually untrue claim? How about the current scandal about Scott Pruitt? Are we supposed to think it is OK when Pruitt rents, for the paltry amount of $50 per day (paltry by DC housing standards) a 2 bdrm condo owned by the wife of an energy lobbyist, whose husband’s company had a mater pending before the EPA? Is it OK that he isn’t fired yet? What would Fox News say about this if it happened during the Obama Administration? On the topic of firings and departures, what about the endless departures of unfit and unqualified people of short tenure? Is this not a matter for public concern about the stability of an Administration and the person running it? How about the immature name-calling and un-keepable promise that Mexico is going to pay to build a wall along the southern border? Or, the whopper that we’re all going to abandon green energy and return to dirty, polluting coal, just because he needed votes in Pennsylvania and West Virginia? What about repealing Obamacare? The list of lies, exaggerations, aggrandizing and evidence of lacking skill for the job of President, including hiring qualified people, goes on.
JT claims that the media knows and has breathlessly reported about a smoking gun that’s going to take down Trump. I’ve yet to hear any such claim. Last night, MSNBC very accurately described the difference between being a “subject” and a “target” of an investigation, including interviews with former prosecutors. Nothing grudging about reporting these facts. Also, there are no grounds to claim, at this point, that Mueller won’t eventually indict Trump or that he won’t get impeached. The process is far from over. JT purports to know that Mueller doesn’t have any evidence linking Trump to crimes. How does JT know what evidence Mueller has or doesn’t have? Unlike the Trump White House, Mueller’s team does not leak. I am assuming that Mueller described Trump as a subject because if one is considered a “target”, that must be disclosed first, as there are constitutional protections for the “target” of a criminal investigation before that person’s testimony is taken. How pathetic is it that his own lawyers are concerned about whether he can handle himself in a deposition? We all know why he tweets instead of giving regular news conferences like President Obama did. He is not well-spoken, and his arrogance shows. There are too many ways he could mess up, like questions about Stormy Daniels, so we get chubby, lying Sarah Sanders.
JT speaks of lack of objectivity in the media. The only media that doesn’t see Trump as personally unfit to serve is Fox News. The rest of the media see a buffoon who is failing badly and taking down the prestige of this entire country every single day. That’s not biased. It’s based on fact. Trump has had plenty of time to prove what he claims are the leadership and negotiating skills of a self-anointed “very stable genius”. He’s just an overweight, blowhard bully who is a racist, xenophobic, homophobic, misogynist with ADD and who is a serial cheater on his “trophy” wife. He won’t take the sound advice of people who are more knowledgeable, including his own attorneys. He was offended when Rex Tillerson attempted to school him on recent American History, including events of WWII he didn’t know about. He praises the Russian President, even after being told not to do so, and has not condemned the poisoning of the Russian spy and his daughter. These are also facts. He is not an honorable man, a man whom people can look up to, or that children can be taught to respect. In fact, the things he says must be shielded from children. Have we ever had such a poorly qualified person as President? The answer is “no”, and that’s why we want him gone. I cannot understand how any intelligent person can defend him.
He’s also going to bring down the Republican Party. They apparently thought that he’d just sign off on whatever bills they put in front of him and be satisfied with the perceived prestige of the most powerful job in the world–waving at crowds, having service people, braver and more patriotic than him or anyone in his family, be required to salute him, riding on Air Force One, attending meetings and state dinners, and all the trappings of office. Their failure to stand up to him will cost them down the road.
“……who is a serial cheater on his “trophy” wife….”
Nitacha,
Hillary was never, ever, and will never, ever be a trophy wife.
In fact, the Clintons personal campaigner stated their marriage was a fraud, an open one way relationship
https://reclaimourrepublic.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/bill-clinton-and-his-women.jpg?w=640
Such disdain for women Bill has, such lack of soul Hillary possesses…..so black are your hearts for your dictatorship of relativism
https://stream.org/wp-content/uploads/daily_commentary_09_21_16.jpg
purple Linda is a catfish.
Bill Clinton is not the current President. This is more Kellyanne Pivoting, a skill polished by Fox News. Nothing Clinton, FDR, JFK or any other man ever did excuses Trump’s incompetence and immoral behavior. He’s the current President. He is a disgrace to the office. He is a disgrace to his family.
Natacha, you know by now, J.T.’s regular commenters respond to every post with “What about the Clintons?”. The idea seems to be that Trump deserves a blanket pass on everything because of ‘Clinton scandals’.
But you are absolutely correct. Trump is an out-of-control buffoon who turns on everyone. Yet consumers of right-wing media imagine this is a normal presidency. Like normal presidents send crazy tweets in the dead of night.
Nutchacha’s post is 816 words long and consists of pure free-association. If people wish to respond with (more concise) free-association, that is their prerogative.
Peter Hill – we are anesthetized by the Clintons and Obamas so Trump is nothingburger.
“Normal presidents” sign away our rights at midnight on New Year’s Eve – Indefinite Detention ring a bell?
Doctor hasn’t got your meds right yet.
A commenter writes 4 well crafted paragraphs coherently stating a viewpoint.
You, insufferable, trot out a hackneyed “med” insult probably borrowed from the commenter who uses the word “Bedlam”. Get some dignity.
They’re the usual vomit of emotion from her, incorporating a set of phrases and characterizations she recycles again and again. They’re not particularly well-crafted (except in comparison to what David Benson produces in his ‘Ken’ persona), they’re prolix, and the extra verbiage adds nothing because it does not delineate discrete points about the issue at hand. It’s all about Nutchacha and how she feels. I’m not her mother or her therapist, so I do not care.
Please, please cite me some facts to dispute the following;
1. Trump not only grabs women by their privates, he brags about it;
2. Trump called Mexicans “rapists”.
3. Trump has referred to women as “fat pigs”, “disgusting” and other insulting words and phrases.
4. When challenged by Megyn Kelly for his insults to women, he accused her of being on her period.
5. Trump said that there is equal fault for the death of the protester of the White Supremacists.
6. Firings and resignations of staff of the West Wing is unprecedented in American History.
7. Trump promised voters in Pennsylvania and W. Va. that we’d be returning to coal-based energy.
8. Scott Pruitt, EPA Head, rents a 2 bdrm luxury condo for $50 per day from the wife of an executive for a company with a pending disputed with the EPA.
9. Trump promised to immediately repeal Obamacare.
10. Trump promised, repeatedly, that Mexico would pay to build a wall on our southern border.
11. Trump holds himself out as a master negotiator, and refers to himself as a “very stable genius”.
12. Trump routinely uses insulting language to describe anyone he doesn’t like, such as “little Rocket Man”, “lyin’ Hillary, etc.
13. Trump disregarded advice not to congratulate Putin, and has never personally criticized Russians for attempting to kill the former Russian spy and his daughter.
If any of the foregoing are not true and correct facts, please correct me.
1. Trump not only grabs women by their privates, he brags about it;
Actually, what he said to Billy Bush was that a certain kind of man can get away with that with a certain kind of woman.
2. Trump called Mexicans “rapists”.
No, he said that the illegal alien population was think with a criminal element, including rapists. This is just a sociological truth.
3. Trump has referred to women as “fat pigs”, “disgusting” and other insulting words and phrases.
Rosie O’Donnell. And that’s a coarse but true description of her.
4. When challenged by Megyn Kelly for his insults to women, he accused her of being on her period.
Who gives a rip?
5. Trump said that there is equal fault for the death of the protester of the White Supremacists.
He didn’t.
6. Firings and resignations of staff of the West Wing is unprecedented in American History.
Who is measuring and what are they measuring? And why is this of interest to people who do not work there?
7. Trump promised voters in Pennsylvania and W. Va. that we’d be returning to coal-based energy.
And?
8. Scott Pruitt, EPA Head, rents a 2 bdrm luxury condo for $50 per day from the wife of an executive for a company with a pending disputed with the EPA.
He received a concession of $70 a day on a place he and his daughter stayed in over a period of months. The wife in question is married to a trade association lobbyist who represents a company who got a favorable regulatory decision. No one has yet argued that the decision was unjustified or that any documentation indicates that Pruitt was involved in the decision process.
9. Trump promised to immediately repeal Obamacare.
He didn’t. Trump knows that legislative power is vested in Congress even if you do not.
10. Trump promised, repeatedly, that Mexico would pay to build a wall on our southern border.
Tax remittances, and they will pay.
11. Trump holds himself out as a master negotiator, and refers to himself as a “very stable genius”.
(1) He is a master negotiator; (2) So what?
12. Trump routinely uses insulting language to describe anyone he doesn’t like, such as “little Rocket Man”, “lyin’ Hillary, etc.
So what? Have you read some of your own posts? Or do you give yourself a pass for being roughly female?
13. Trump disregarded advice not to congratulate Putin, and has never personally criticized Russians for attempting to kill the former Russian spy and his daughter.
So what?
1. No, what he said is that he’d better start using Tic Tacs because he can’t help himself when a woman is “beautiful”, so he just starts kissing them. He said he “doesn’t wait” and when you’re famous, you can get away with it, you can do whatever you want, then the immortal words about where he grabs them. No qualification. “Famous” was the grounds he cited for being allowed to get away with such behavior. “Beautiful” was the qualifier for the type of woman he believes himself allowed to assault. You imply that he was referring to sleazy women, but there was no such implication. You still don’t grasp the problem, do you? You don’t see the outrageous arrogance or disrespect for women, do you? You don’t really love or respect any woman, now do you?
2. No, he said, unqualifiedly, that they’re criminals and rapists, but he assumes “some” are good people. It
is not a “truth”, sociological or otherwise, that Mexicans commit more crimes than others.
3. No. When challenged, he tried to limit his statement to Rosie O’Donnell, but that was not the context in which he originally said these insulting things about women.
4. Who gives a rip that the President demeans a woman who challenges him for his insulting statements about women by accusing them of being on their period? Most people with brains and souls, that’s who. His statement was outrageous. It really does worry me that people like you defend him.
5. He absolutely said there was blame on both sides. Look it up. He also said that White Supremacists were “good people”.
6. Why not tune into Rachel Maddow’s show the next time there’s a departure. She maintains a board listing the names and titles of departed persons. The point is that your President bragged about his ability to hire the “best and brightest’, and this proves he doesn’t. The point is stability in an Administration, which is the interest of every American. Historical firings and departures in an administration of any kind do not signal a “very stable genius” at the helm. Where is there any continuity or morale when every time you turn around there’s another departure or scandal? How will the work of government get done?
7. He was lying to them just to get their votes, making promises that couldn’t be kept. This country is not going back to dirty coal for lots of valid reasons.
8. Is this Hannity’s take on this scandal? It stinks. Everyone knows it. People have argued that the favorable treatment was unjustified. Not Fox News, however.
9. He said that one of the first, if not the first, thing he would do is repeal Obamacare. I agree that was a lie, but it got cheers and votes from people who didn’t know any better, and also don’t know what’s good for them in the long run. Many of these people, being lower income, were on Obamacare, and may not have realized it. And, no, Trump doesn’t understand American government or how it works, and that has been proven repeatedly. One point of friction with Rex Tillerson was Rex’s attempts to explain things to him, which he resented.
10. How many times did he say “trust me–Mexico will pay for the wall”. Never said anything about “tax remittances” as a qualifier or means for payment, and that won’t work in any event. Mexico will NOT pay for the wall in any way, shape, or form. More lies to people not schooled enough to know better.
11. If your President is a master negotiator, why is he failing so badly? The point is that he is not a master negotiator. He is a bully, and that’s how he’s gotten away with pushing around employees, contractors and others in private business. When they won’t go away, he just files for bankruptcy and flushes their claims. This doesn’t work in government. What, exactly, has he “negotiated”? Unilaterally cancelling agreements and issuing ex parte proclamations is not negotiating. Negotiating involves the skillful ability to work with an opponent to obtain a mutually-agreeable resolution to a dispute. It requires talent and skills Trump lacks, including respect for one’s opponent. All he does is bluster, bully and attack anyone who doesn’t knuckle under. He is the antithesis of a master negotiator.
12. More Kellyanne pivoting. I’m not the President. I don’t hold myself out as a role model. I am not a public figure. As President, he is supposed to refrain from behaving like a juvenile when it comes to the heads of foreign states and other politicians. Like most people, your President disgusts me. My comments reflect this.
13. As to Putin: he is a cheater. The Russian elections were not fair. This was not a “victory”, it was an abuse of power. According to Senator John McCain, Putin is a “butcher”, who murders people who oppose him or expose him for what he is. At his direction, the 2016 election was interfered with. HRC’s e-mails were hacked. One can only wonder what Trump’s e-mails would reveal, but with Muller’s investigation, we may soon find out. When Trump congratulated Putin, it was known that he tried to murder an ex-Soviet spy and his daughter who were living on British soil. The Brits are our oldest allies, and we are supposed to stand in solidarity with them when a hostile government attempts to murder someone on their soil, instead of congratulating the perpetrator for a “victory” in an unfair election. The United States does not congratulate persons who cheat to obtain power and who try to murder those expressing opposition.
That’s 943 words. tl;dr
Natacha –
1. Trump not only grabs women by their privates, he brags about it;
This was locker room talk and taken out of context.
2. Trump called Mexicans “rapists”.
He called some Mexicans rapists. Some are also drug dealers, gun runners, smugglers and murders.
3. Trump has referred to women as “fat pigs”, “disgusting” and other insulting words and phrases.
Trump has no social filter. He thinks it, he says it. He sees a fat pig or a disgusting woman and he calls her out.
4. When challenged by Megyn Kelly for his insults to women, he accused her of being on her period.
This is a reasonable question given Ms. Kelly’s age.
5. Trump said that there is equal fault for the death of the protester of the White Supremacists.
He is absolutely right about this. She was standing in the middle of the street blocking it.
6. Firings and resignations of staff of the West Wing is unprecedented in American History.
This is a good thing. He did not expect to win and he filled offices as he could. Now he is getting rid of a lot of those people who are not loyal to him.
7. Trump promised voters in Pennsylvania and W. Va. that we’d be returning to coal-based energy.
No one expects this to happen overnight. What kind of idiot are you?
8. Scott Pruitt, EPA Head, rents a 2 bdrm luxury condo for $50 per day from the wife of an executive for a company with a pending disputed with the EPA.
This is being handled. Trump is serving for free, at no salary.
9. Trump promised to immediately repeal Obamacare.
Congress has gotten in his way as is often the case of candidates.
10. Trump promised, repeatedly, that Mexico would pay to build a wall on our southern border.
Wall has not been built so there is nothing to pay for.
11. Trump holds himself out as a master negotiator, and refers to himself as a “very stable genius”.
He is bringing the little Rocket Man to the negotiating table.
12. Trump routinely uses insulting language to describe anyone he doesn’t like, such as “little Rocket Man”, “lyin’ Hillary, etc.
Hillary called half the voting population deplorables.
13. Trump disregarded advice not to congratulate Putin, and has never personally criticized Russians for attempting to kill the former Russian spy and his daughter.
Trump’s job is to decide whether to take advice or not. Obama couldn’t make a decision. Trump can.
If any of the foregoing are not true and correct facts, please correct me.
I hope these corrections and clarifications help.
Just another deplorable Trump cultist who mistakes his own opinions for facts.
That is our paulie; the total package dumb and boring.
mo – can’t kill the message, so you try to kill the messenger. Well done. Ad hominems all around!!!
Facts don’t faze you, do they? OK, here we go.
1. “Locker room talk” was the Kellyanne spin She has proven to be an unrepentant pathological liar. Trump wasn’t in a locker room, but was speaking to a reporter. Not someone he knew well, but someone he hoped to impress. How would he feel if Billy grabbed Ivanka? After all, if she weren’t his daughter, he claimed he’d be dating her. I think some man ought to just go up and grab her, if it’s OK for her father to do this to other mens’ daughters. Also, Ivanka and Melania should be fair game. What kind of a man says things like this to another man he just met, anyway? A misogynist, egotistical moron. There isn’t any excuse.
2. Mexicans do not commit more crimes than others, and, in fact, commit fewer crimes here in the U.S.. Lying about persons who are different and accusing them of being immoral or dangerous is what is known as “xenophobia”, which he feeds to his disciples, like you, for instance, instead of being a role model for the American melting pot, which accepts diversity as one of America’s greatest strengths. Regardless of your opinion on immigration issues, it is wrong to insult an entire ethnic group by falsely accusing them of being criminals. An intelligent, admirable man does not do such things. An ignoramus pandering to other ignoramuses and wanting their votes, does.
3. The “no social filter” excuse? Trump is a selfish, ignorant boor who thinks he can insult anyone he wants. With people like you as his disciples, this only feeds the ego. That’s why most people on this earth who know of him don’t respect or like him, including most Americans. Presidents are supposed to be role models. Insulting an entire gender is immature and displays his lack of intelligence and willingness to pander to misogynist ignoramuses like you just to get votes.
4. It is “reasonable” to state that Megyn Kelly was on her period when she questioned candidate Trump about insulting remarks he made regarding women? What does her age or her menstrual cycle have to do with her calling him out about his insulting remarks about women in general? She was a major journalist. I almost don’t know what to say because such a comment is grounded in pure misogyny and such a deep degree of ignorance that there is no rational response, other than to point out that you are truly uneducated and prejudiced against the female gender. You, too, must think it is acceptable to attack people with vulgar accusations when they quote you as saying something outrageous. Maybe we all ought to assume that when Trump goes on one of his Twitter rampages that it’s because he couldn’t get it up or Melania swatted him away again, like she has done publicly.
5. The protester had a right to be where she was. The White Supremacist had no right to run her down with his car. He accelerated on purpose to hit her intentionally. He is a murderer, and for the so-called POTUS to blame the decedent for causing her own death is unthinkable. That people defend him for blaming the victim is likewise unthinkable, but it explains why people have a bias against Trump supporters and think they are just dumb white ignoramuses.
6. First, people who work for the government work for the American people, not Trump. They take an oath to defend the Constitution, not Trump. He doesn’t understand this, and neither do you. Secondly, a “very stable genius” who brags about his ability to hire only the “best and brightest” should have had a fully-vetted qualified team up and running on Day One. He hired a serial wife-beater, a beauty pageant contestant, incompetent people, Steve Bannon, who is in a class by himself, conflicted people and otherwise unqualified people, such as Betsy DeVos who doesn’t understand fundamental issues in education. Pruitt should be the next to go, but he’s too busy clearing the way for polluters to take us back to the bad old days before the EPA when cancer was more rampant, air wasn’t safe to breathe, water wasn’t safe to drink, babies were born with birth defects and women had lots of miscarriages due to pollution. The White House is chaotic because the person at the helm is unqualified to serve, he doesn’t understand the functions of government and his main criterion is loyalty to him, or, in the case of a female, attractiveness.
7. Not going to happen at all. What kind of idiot are you? Wait, I know the answer.
8. Not being handled at all. Pruitt personally signed off on bonuses and raises for his staff, and then denied knowing anything about it. Then there are the travel scandals. He needs to go.
9. Why would Trump promise the stooges who voted for him that he’d repeal Obamacare, if he knew that Congress would need to cooperate in order to accomplish this? He didn’t understand this, but needed the adulation of the cheering crowds and votes. He either lied or didn’t know what he was talking about. Either way, proof of unfitness to serve.
10. He promised this. He was LYING. It won’t happen.
11. No, he isn’t. Another Fox News lie. The South Koreans made overtures to North Korea, beginning with inviting them to the Winter Olympics, having a joint womens’ hockey team and welcoming the sister of Kim Jong Un and treating her with dignity and respect. Trump had nothing to do with it. He tries to take credit whenever anything goes well any place in the world.
12. Hilary called people like you “deplorable” because of your racism, xenophobia, misogyny and support for the poster boy for all of these negative characteristics. Despite this, she won the popular vote, and no, it wasn’t because of millions of illegal votes. People like you are, in fact, deplorable, and your attitudes are un-American.
13. You never addressed the merits of the point I raised about congratulating a murdering dictator over the advice of staff, and Trump’s inability to accept the direction of more knowledgeable people who are trying to help stem his constant errors and mis-steps. No, congratulating Putin doesn’t prove that Trump can make decisions. He can’t make decisions, other than whether a woman is beautiful enough to grab. President Obama still enjoys higher approval ratings. Trump and his disciples still obsess over this.
Natacha – between the two of us, I am probably the only one who has volunteered for the military or run for office. Does that make me unAmerican?
1. Girls have girl talk regardless of the location. Guys have locker room talk wherever.
Natacha – 2. Mexicans do not commit more crimes than others, and, in fact, commit fewer crimes here in the U.S.. Lying about persons who are different and accusing them of being immoral or dangerous is what is known as “xenophobia”, which he feeds to his disciples, like you, for instance, instead of being a role model for the American melting pot, which accepts diversity as one of America’s greatest strengths. Regardless of your opinion on immigration issues, it is wrong to insult an entire ethnic group by falsely accusing them of being criminals. An intelligent, admirable man does not do such things. An ignoramus pandering to other ignoramuses and wanting their votes, does.
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Natacha – 3. The “no social filter” excuse? Trump is a selfish, ignorant boor who thinks he can insult anyone he wants. With people like you as his disciples, this only feeds the ego. That’s why most people on this earth who know of him don’t respect or like him, including most Americans. Presidents are supposed to be role models. Insulting an entire gender is immature and displays his lack of intelligence and willingness to pander to misogynist ignoramuses like you just to get votes.
If Trump is ADD or ADHD he qualifies under the Americans with Disabilities Act and cannot be punished for doing something that is part of the disability. Lack of social filter is top of the list. Risk taking also fits in there.
Natacha – 4. It is “reasonable” to state that Megyn Kelly was on her period when she questioned candidate Trump about insulting remarks he made regarding women? What does her age or her menstrual cycle have to do with her calling him out about his insulting remarks about women in general? She was a major journalist. I almost don’t know what to say because such a comment is grounded in pure misogyny and such a deep degree of ignorance that there is no rational response, other than to point out that you are truly uneducated and prejudiced against the female gender. You, too, must think it is acceptable to attack people with vulgar accusations when they quote you as saying something outrageous. Maybe we all ought to assume that when Trump goes on one of his Twitter rampages that it’s because he couldn’t get it up or Melania swatted him away again like she has done publicly.
Any man who has been married or lived with a woman for any length of time knows it is important to know where his partner is on her cycle. It is also important to know how your partner acts just before, during and after her menstrual cycle. So, the question to Ms. Kelly is legitimate.
Natacha – 5. The protester had a right to be where she was. The White Supremacist had no right to run her down with his car. He accelerated on purpose to hit her intentionally. He is a murderer, and for the so-called POTUS to blame the decedent for causing her own death is unthinkable. That people defend him for blaming the victim is likewise unthinkable, but it explains why people have a bias against Trump supporters and think they are just dumb white ignoramuses.
The people blocking the street did not have a parade permit and were illegal. She was obstructing a roadway at her own peril. This will come out in the civil suit.
Natacha – 6. First, people who work for the government work for the American people, not Trump. They take an oath to defend the Constitution, not Trump. He doesn’t understand this, and neither do you. Secondly, a “very stable genius” who brags about his ability to hire only the “best and brightest” should have had a fully-vetted qualified team up and running on Day One. He hired a serial wife-beater, a beauty pageant contestant, incompetent people, Steve Bannon, who is in a class by himself, conflicted people and otherwise unqualified people, such as Betsy DeVos who doesn’t understand fundamental issues in education. Pruitt should be the next to go, but he’s too busy clearing the way for polluters to take us back to the bad old days before the EPA when cancer was more rampant, air wasn’t safe to breathe, water wasn’t safe to drink, babies were born with birth defects and women had lots of miscarriages due to pollution. The White House is chaotic because the person at the helm is unqualified to serve, he doesn’t understand the functions of government and his main criterion is loyalty to him, or, in the case of a female, attractiveness.
The people in the Executive Department ultimately answer to the President. Like every President before him, he has made some bad choices. BTW, more money has been spent on Flint than during Obama. By year two he should the people he wants at the top.
Natacha – 7. Not going to happen at all. What kind of idiot are you? Wait, I know the answer.
My wife keeps sending articles on black lung coming back. Aren’t you keeping up?
Natacha – 8. Not being handled at all. Pruitt personally signed off on bonuses and raises for his staff, and then denied knowing anything about it. Then there are the travel scandals. He needs to go.
Just because it is not being handled the way you want, does not mean it is not being handled.
Natacha – 9. Why would Trump promise the stooges who voted for him that he’d repeal Obamacare, if he knew that Congress would need to cooperate in order to accomplish this? He didn’t understand this, but needed the adulation of the cheering crowds and votes. He either lied or didn’t know what he was talking about. Either way, proof of unfitness to serve.
Natacha, he has been working on it. However, he has a recalcitrant Congress.
Most, if not all of the Trump characteristics that Natacha mentions in hercmarathon post were on full display for voters prior to the 2016 election.
A major reason that Trump won was that he wasn’t Hillary.
(Running up the score in California doesn’t add bonus points to the big baaket of electoal votes CA. has….far larger tgan the E.C. votes of any other state).
I don’t know if Trump will be the 2020 GOP candidate, but if he is, the same core Trump supporters in 2016 will probably show up again.
And those like Natacha, who is moving along nicely from the “denial/ anger” stage to acceptance of Trump’s 2016 win,😏😊 may cast their votes for Trump in 2020.
Hackneyed response. When you T rumper dudes can’t win an argument with a woman you take her name.
Nutchacha hasn’t taken her lithium and David hasn’t taken his Aricept. Color me unsurprised.
” and David hasn’t taken his Aricept. ”
I wouldn’t dare to disagree but can I ask, are you saying that our professor David Benson is Ken? Neither says much of anything, but I would like the clarity of knowing a bit more.
You have a commanding knowledge of psychotropic drugs. I think I know why.
No. Your story your problem. Explain to us why you spent the time writing fiction? Since you offered no proof …. and used the leftist fictionary can it be ought else?
What was the original crime for which Mueller investigated Trump? There is no “collusion” crime. The CIA investigates foreign operatives.
This has been an abuse of power from the start.
There was one person who was proven to have paid Russian spies for false documents to smear her political opposition just before the election, when there wasn’t time to disprove it. That was Hillary Clinton. She should have been sued for slander. There should have been repercussions for her taking over the DNC ahead of the primary and cheating against Bernie Sanders. There should have been a criminal investigation over Uranium One, the Clinton Foundation, selling favors to foreign governments, and smashing her devices with a hammer, and wiping her illegal servers with BleachBit, while under subpoena.
Meanwhile, Mueller is once again abusing his authority to harass political opponents.
There is something rotten in the state of our FBI, DOJ, IRS, NSA, EPA…you get the picture.
it depends on the time of day, the wind currents, the political narrative and the angst factor
The FBI has most recently been hailed as heroic by St James Comey and the Hillary cultists but the FBI has also been shown to be corrupt during J. Edgar Hoover and compromised and during the time of Rev MLK Jr
It has been a dictatorship of relativism that has broken our once great nation
oh well. What difference does it make now?
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No greater evil has a face been shown in our existence
That narrows it down to Barak the Destroyer Obama but I would still put FDR first and LBJ second.
Karen: you must stop watching Fox News You are repeating the bull spewed by Hannity and Ingraham, and they are wrong. There is no “Uranium One” scandal. HRC did not sign off on this deal, but 8 other agencies did. That is a fact. There is no “Clinton Foundation” scandal. No member of the Clinton family ever took a single dime from this Foundation. None of the other things are true, either, and are not crimes.
Mueller has never abused his authority. In fact, Rod Rosenstein confirmed that he has approved of everything Mueller has done and is doing. You don’t know the full extent of the evidence he has uncovered. Just because Trump hasn’t been indicted yet doesn’t mean he won’t be down the road.
And, no, none of the government agencies is rotten, except the EPA under Scott Pruitt, who rents a luxury condo for $50 per night from the wife of an energy lobbyist who has a matter pending before the EPA. Pruitt is in the process of completely undermining the mission of the EPA before he gets led away by security. After all, why should chemical companies, coal companies and other polluters lose profits just to prevent a few birth defects, lung and other cancers, water and air pollution? What are our priorities, anyway?
Mueller has never abused his authority.
He staged an early-morning no-knock raid on the home of a co-operative subject with reputable legal counsel.
That aside, he never had any authority to begin with. See Andrew McCarthy’s treatment of the distinction between counter-intelligence investigations and criminal investigations.
Ho hum…..still turning tricks at the Blue Goose?
“However, there has been a disturbing lack of objectivity in the coverage of this investigation from the start”
Start with Carl Berstein and Bob Woodward during President Richard Nixon’s first term in office and their apoplectic posture thereafter, how they treated President Gerald Ford with the tired golf ball hitting his head meme, recall the visceral contempt the MSM (e.g. ABC News Sam Donaldson) had for President Ronald Reagan and First Lady Nancy Reagan, particularky mocking his mental state, Nancy’s class for elegance, tarot cards, etc, how they crucified Vice President Dan Quayle particularly how they glorified single parenting ala Murphy Brown TV show only to learn late Candice Bergen said VP Quayle was right 10 years later
http://ew.com/article/2002/07/11/candice-bergen-says-dan-quayle-was-right/
then there is the holy water sprinkled, blessings imparted and absolution they gave to Bill Clinton for raping women courtesy of Gloria Steinem, and on and on and on…
Americans have the last laugh 40 years later.
We dont know which is more satisfying: observing Hillary to be the most unpopular person in the history of America, or WaPo and NYT descend into absolute irrelevance while Jeff Bezos uses WaPo like a disgraced prostitute and use her for personal gain
Fox News is a shill but CNN loses market share to them, and MSNBC cant hold a candle to their ratings
DOA.
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Catfish Linda is purple.
We can tell the Linda’s apart without your color codes
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Professor Turley acknowledges that Trump has a tendency to “go off script” in meetings. For this reason Trump’s legal team fears a deposition. If Trump sat for deposition, in response to Mueller’s probe, Trump could quite possibly “go off script” and say something highly incriminating. That is all it would take for Trump to go from being a “Subject” to a “Target”. And Professor Turley knows this transition could occur during the span of a single deposition.
If Trump is completely innocent, with regards the Russia probe, why then has he acted so incredibly guilty??
For his entire first year in office Trump consistently dismissed Russian meddling as “fake news”. Trump continued making this assertion while most Republican leaders acknowledged meddling occurred. And during that entire first year, Trump authorized no plan whatsoever to secure this year’s election!
Instead Trump created a bogus commission to investigate illegal voting by undocumented immigrants. Said commission fell apart in the most embarrassing fashion. Having found no tangible proof to back Trump’s false claim that Hillary’s popular vote was padded by ‘illegals’.
Therefore when Professor Turley chides the mainstream media for not sufficiently recognizing Trump’s status as only a “Subject” of Mueller’s probe, he completely overlooks Trump’s irrational behavior. We have never had a president label as “fake news” a very credible widely acknowledged threat.
Here’s what happened when Trump went off-script on Thursday. Once again he charged that “millions of illegals voted in California”.
No, Trump couldn’t make it through a deposition without popping off.
https://www.npr.org/2018/04/05/599868312/fact-check-trump-repeats-voter-fraud-claim-about-california
and yet your lunatic candidate lost to the likes of a reality TV charlatan with fake wisps of hair.
How does she manage not to off herself?
purple Linda is a catfish.
I see obvious signs of intelligence in the posts of the “catfish”.
I’ve searched for signs of intelligent life behind your posts, and there’s no evidence of it.
Just robotic repetition and a ton of non-sequiters.
That’s why there are some questions raised wondering if the prolific “Linda” is a actually defective clone of Hal 9000.
good one, Tom. Soon Linda (David Brock paid troll) will be seeing other Lindas with varied colors and then the inevitable happens
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Light green Linda also a catfish. I’d refer to the false identities as shenanigans that reflect dirty tricks associated with Putin-style political activity but, Dennis allows it, so it’s on him.
OKeep up da fight against da bots of da Trumpocracy. Give em hell. You are winning.
The only thing missing so far is how the two village idiots here wrap up their arguments with a new information about the price of tea in China.
I don’t know how they could have missed using a sure “winnee like that to support thier beliefs.
Stay tuned to learn more about the price of tea in China, and how that somehow will be tied in with the Muellrel investigation, the Kochs, the oligarchy, Bill Gates, the top .1%, the Weyrich manual……it’s gotta be all related, and the previous thousand or so posts on these topics have failed to include the equally relevant price of tea in China to wrap it all up.
Since you are whippiin them they have to cheat and get fake Linda’s to be you. Remember some are employed by a bot farm.
We’ve had enough of the Hal/ 9000 version of Linda.
Not saying that bot is a fake….just that the wiring in that automat is a few circuits short of of proper functioning.
There now seems to be another Linda in addition to the “Linda of a 1,000 posts” about the “Koch/ Gates/oligarch/ top .1%/ Weyrich manual/ Kosovo, Mercers, etc., etc”
Tom, does “What about Hillary?” sound more authentic? That’s the first response of Trumpers on this thread whenever Professor Turley breaks a bit of bad news. And when I read that response I always hear a shrill voice. But you seem to believe that “What about Hillary?” is a clever rebuttal. Explain that, if you can.
What ‘bad news’? There is no news emanating from the Mueller investigation except bits and fragments which reveal that it’s a hoax. Suck it up.
Well today Professor Turley noted Trump’s invariable tendency to veer off-script. And that flaw, the professor fears, could sink Trump in a deposition. Yet not one Trumper on this thread was capable of acknowledging that point.
Yet not one Trumper on this thread was capable of acknowledging that point.
Because we don’t care about that. Don’t care about his weight, his haircut, the Gorilla Channel.
Nutchacha,
Mr. Hill divides bad news into “good bad news”, and unpleasant “bad news”.
I’ve watched his promotion of what he presents as “the good bad news”, but goes into full escape mode when an issue of the “unpleasant bad news” is brought to his attention.
He’s just another run of the mill, intellectually dishonest hack.
Nutchacha,..
I’ll give a couple of examples of recent allegations based on “good bad news”.
The same person recently played up this “good bad news”.
The FBI investigation of Jeff Sessions Congressional testimony conclude that Sessions did not commit perjury.
That’s the “bad bad news” that was skipped over when the person here made, as a flat statement of fact, the claim that Sessions lied to Congress.
The reason that I them mentioned Pelosi and Sen. mcCaskill “lying” about the same thing is that if any inaccurate statement is protrayed as a deliberate lie, then let’s call all three of them liars.
As I said, the FBI’s investigation of Sessions did not reach that conclusion, but that little detail was not mentioned in claiming that Sessions lied.
At the same time, the same individual claimed, as if it were an established fact, that Flynn met with Turkish emissaries in a plot to kidnap a Turkish dissident ( Gulen).
The evidence for this is very thin, but as “good bad news” that claim of a kidnapping plot was presented as established fact.
The “bad bad news” is that there is very little credible evidence to support that accusation.
When I devided the categories of “good bad news” and “bad bad news”, I was tieing in “spin” and distortion of the news.
I should have made that clearer.
Tom, here’s a Wall Street Journal story about that plot to kidnap the Turkish dissident. In fact multiple sources came up on the google search. Just enter “Michael – Plot To Kidnap Turkish Dissident”.
https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/10/politics/wsj-flynn-turkey/index.html
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/25/michael-flynn-turkey-215865
http://fortune.com/2017/03/27/michael-flynn-turkey-russia/
I scanned the posted links that refer to the WSJournal article, but no link to that article.
The CNN article quotes unnamed sources, who were not at the Flynn meeting with the Turks, as the “sources” for the allegations.
Given that Woolsey hinself missed most of the meeting, and stated in his CNN interview with Don Lemon that he heard no discussion of kidnapping Gulen, it’s odd that CNN omitted that little detail in the CNN link you posted.
Mueller and others will ultimately issue reports of their findings….we’ll find out if Mueller overlooked a kidnapping plot by Flynn in the plea bargain, or if he had no basis to bring that charge.
Peter Hill,..
I didn’t say “what about Hillary”.
And I understand your double standards recinvestigations and determinations of guilt, so I won’t bother walking you through the different approaches involved in a whitewash, and those of an aggresive investigation.
Now that I know where you’re coming from as far as your double-speak, doible standands, and evasiveness, I’ll try to remember not tobanswer any more of your silly-ass questions, since you clearly won’t give me a straight answer to a straight question.
He can’t. That requires rudimentary knowledge.
Allan,
I don’t think that’s the major problem.
“Selective” knowledge, spin, and evasiveness are more at play.
“Selective” knowledge, spin, and evasiveness are more at play.”
No, our national security is at stake. It is pure stupidity.
Oh gosh, aren’t you prissy. Such affected language! Are you really Snagglepuss? Or Felix Unger, perhaps?
You’re the one with the self portrait of the snotty, superior fool with your comments….I can see why you choose it.
Peter Hill, Gnash is posting under the influence of Proud Bayer.
It’ll be interesting when Trump uses the Kenneth Lay defense. “I lacked curiosity and was too ethically and legally lax to care about workers reporting to me who were committing crimes to benefit me and themselves, about which I was incapable of knowing.”
He won’t, because there are no crimes. No one has yet alleged any crimes except by Manafort and his partner in the conduct of their business.
Flynn?
Flynn was indicted for making false statements. That’s a process crime, Linda. It was also a set-up. They were ‘interviewing’ Flynn ‘searching’ for information they already had from wiretaps approved by skeezy judge Contreras.
Please note that Michael Flynn was not prosecuted for making any of those phone calls, which were legal and part of his job. Every single time a new President is elected, his staff receive these calls. He pled guilty to one count of making false statements to the FBI when he blew off questions. The FBI investigators themselves did not believe that Flynn’s inaccuracies were intentional.
What was actually against the law was the unmasking of Flynn in the first place. A practice in the FBI is to target all conversations with all foreigners, in a wide net, thereby catching conversations with people they are interested in, but they cannot legally target. Then get them to be unmasked, and they have circuitously wiretapped their intended targets.
After reviewing the calls, the FBI “has not found any evidence of wrongdoing or illicit ties to the Russian government.”
They tried to apply the Logan Act, which has never been successfully prosecuted in the entirety of its existence.
As for Flynn being compromised because the American people were led to believe he had not even obliquely mentioned sanctions to the Russians who, along with all the other ambassadors, called him?
How about: it was a video, did I wipe it with a cloth?, Obamacare will lower healthcare costs…
The Trumpocracy talking points get more and more lame.
Wipe the drool off your chin, David.
L4D,…
I have no idea what you’re under the influence of when you post.
Whatever it is, you should consider cutting back.
If Trump is completely innocent, with regards the Russia probe, why then has he acted so incredibly guilty??
He hasn’t acted guilty at all. Your emotional needs are not reality.
Bless your heart, he confessed on national TV about the reason he fired Comey. And did the same with Russians in the OO.
You fancy his public statements are statements of ‘guilt’. They are so in your imagination only.
If Trump is completely innocent, with regards the Russia probe, why then has he acted so incredibly guilty??
Yes, PH, this is the heart of the issue. Mueller and his team are thoroughly fearless going after some of the most crooked and corrupt people on this planet. Of course, Trump is terrified.
Turley is now just another Trump toady – maybe he’ll get a golf game out of it.
He did? When was that. Ah hell why make it easy on you? Who, what, where, when, why and how was that? Your premise. Support it or buy crutches with build in Depends….
What other description would you have chosen. Leftist Liberal Propaganda is so shop worn.
“If Trump is completely innocent, with regards to the Russia probe, why then has he acted so incredibly guilty??”
Guilty of what? You don’t have the slightest idea. What is the crime Mueller is investigating?
Peter, why is your rhetoric always so hollow?
Again, this inquiry on the part of the FBI and the special counsel’s office has been ongoing for 18 months and has produced nothing but indictments on process crimes, indictments for trivia the special counsel will never have to defend, and indictments on matters irrelevant to the President which could have readily been handled by a U.S. Attorney or the Criminal Division of the Justice Department.
In the Iran-Contra matter, all of the principals charged with substantive crimes or destruction of evidence were under indictment within 16 months of when the investigation commenced. In the Watergate affair, all notable indictments were issued within 20 months. And, unlike Robert Mueller, the special counsel in those cases had a defined mandate.
Mueller was appointed in May 2017. How long Republicans drug their feet before his appointment doesn’t count in the tally.
Insufferable presents yet another false equivalency. This time, to Watergate and Iran-Contra. Mueller’s investigation focuses on two world leaders and the American jeopardy posed by a possible Manchurian candidate. Mueller’s team didn’t benefit from small crimes like a botched office break-in and gun running to narrow focus and inception.
Reports suggest the monitoring of the Russian operative with whom Carter Page allegedly had contact had been ongoing for some time. Insufferable’s clock doesn’t begin ticking at that point either.
Mueller was appointed in May 2017.
McCabe and his crew got their bloody warrants in October 2016. This fishing expedition was a going concern for at least 7 months ‘ere Comey maneuvered to put his chum Mueller in charge of it.
Just keep hoping, Linda. He’ll turn up something. He just has to or…
Clearly it is time for Old Sparky for this one. Obamacare covers it too
“Reports suggest the monitoring of the Russian operative with whom Andrew McCabe allegedly had contact had been ongoing for some time.”
reports? What reports? sources you demand?
Pffft. Anonymous sources, of course ala WaaaaaaWaaaaaaPo
And, there it is again – item 2 from the training manual.
Light green catfish, Linda, volleys back criticism, while changing only one thing- the name – Carter Page to McCabe.
The farm should (1) reward workers with extra pay when they show imagination (2) stagger the recruits so that not all are posting comments based on the same lesson at the same time (3) update the manual so that the tactics don’t experience wear-out e.g. the photos that show emotions of Americans attached to insults that single out segments,….
But I get it, Cambridge Analytia developed PR that crossed borders. Whistleblower Wylie said Linkoil connected the info. to American voters. A tip- the Facebook application used specificity. Try that for the commenter segment at this site.
That’s because all the botched up crimes were commiteed by the Cllnton Crime Cartel.
Mueller was hired last May. Take a remedial math class.
Again, Mueller took over McCabe’s clown show. This isn’t that difficult.
You give carey too much credit.