Trump Calls For Deportations Without Hearings Or Judges

donald_trump_president-elect_portrait_croppedPresident Donald Trump escalated the debate over immigration this weekend in calling for the deportation of people who “invade our Country”, without hearings or judges.  The call would raise serious questions under both U.S. and international law.  It would be a denial of the most basic protections of due process for those with credible claims for asylum. The position is both extreme and untenable if he is referring to any and all cases. It also undermines otherwise strong arguments being asserted for expedited procedures for dealing with the influx of undocumented persons.

This weekend, Trump tweeted “We cannot allow all of these people to invade our Country. When somebody comes in, we must immediately, with no Judges or Court Cases, bring them back from where they came.”

The shift of Trump from a civil to a criminal emphasis in enforcement is well within his authority. Moreover, it is true that the Obama Administration also separated families in this fashion, though the numbers were smaller.  Indeed this weekend Obama Homeland Secretary Jeh Johnson admitted that they did separate children from their families and that “catch and release” was not an option — a position ostensibly close to the current policy but one that did not produce the same protests from Democratic politicians.  He called for family detention centers to avoid the release of undocumented persons.

However, the refusal of any hearing or judge could raise some serious constitutional and international law concerns.  We are a party to the United Nations 1951 Convention and 1967 Protocol in dealing with refugees — obligating us to take in those with a well-founded fear of being persecuted in the future “on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.” There is also the Refugee Act of 1980.  Someone asserting asylum is entitled to a hearing to present their case and not simply a perfunctory dismissal.

There continues to be a good-faith debate over the procedures, that must be afforded at our borders.  Specifically, there has been a long debate over the full extent of constitutional claims that can be raised by undocumented individuals in our country unlawfully.  The due process protections under the Fifth Amendment and the 14th Amendment are often raised in support of basic hearings and reviews.  In Yick Wo v. Hopkins (1886) the Supreme Court held that legal immigrants such as Chinese immigrant Yick Wo afforded basic rights and stressed a territorial standard: “The Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution is not confined to the protection of citizens…. These provisions are universal in their application to all persons within the territorial jurisdiction, without regard to any differences of race, of color, or of nationality, and the equal protection of the laws is a pledge of the protection of equal laws.”

The Supreme Court in Yamataya v. Fisher (1903) considered a case involving an undocumented immigrant and, while ruling against him, did apply due process standards to his case.

Under current procedures, undocumented persons are dealt with under either  §1225(b)(1) or §1225(b)(2). Section 1225(b)(1) allows for deportations for those who enter through fraud, misrepresentation, or without valid documentation. Under the first provision, deportation can be ordered by ICE officials “without further hearing or review” under an expedited removal process. §1225(b)(1)(A)(i). If Trump were speaking of that group, he would be correct so long as there is not an asylum claim.  There can be a return without a hearing or judge.  Only about 15 percent of undocumented persons have hearings and the Obama Administration aggressively pursued expedited deportations without hearings.  However, if an alien “indicates either an intention to apply for asylum . . . or a fear of persecution,” the ICE officials must make a threshold determination if the claims is credible, and, if it is credible, “the alien shall be detained for further consideration of the application for asylum.” §1225(b)(1)(B)(ii).

Other federal law mandate specific protections.  Under the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 it is mandated that “the alien shall have the privilege of being represented, at no expense to the Government,” and “the alien shall have a reasonable opportunity to examine the evidence against the alien, to present evidence on the alien’s own behalf, and to cross-examine the witnesses presented by the Government …”

The government recently won an important decision in Jennings v. Rodriguez in which the Supreme Court reversed a lower court that found that federal law barred the holding of immigrants indefinitely and requires bond hearings after six months to evaluate if detention remains justified. Moreover, the Supreme Court has previously “rejected the claim that aliens are entitled to Fifth Amendment rights outside the sovereign territory of the United States.” United States v. Verdugo-Urquidez, 494 U.S. 259, 269 (1990) (citing Johnson v. Eisentrager, 339 U.S. 763, 784 (1950)).  Whatever due process claims are viable for undocumented persons accrue only “within the territorial jurisdiction.” See Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356, 369 (1886).

The case law in this area is still in flux as reflected in the Jennings case. There is clearly an ability for the Trump Administration to both shift to a criminal enforcement policy and to expedite deportations. To that end, Congress is moving to add judges and resources to the border. However, the blanket call for deportations without due process would be difficult to square with this prior authority.  It is also difficult to square with our values as a nation for those with a legitimate fear for their lives and a history of persecution in their nations of origin.

547 thoughts on “Trump Calls For Deportations Without Hearings Or Judges”

  1. There is certainly enough rationale of public safety for the President to exclude MS-13 and Barrio-18 gang members who claim asylum as a means of thwarting the visa vetting process. With today’s SCOTUS decision, I would expect we’ll be seeing a new Exec. Order banning transnational gang and cartel associates from being allowed into the country. I would hope this Order goes far enough to order federal imprisonment then deportation for repeat offenders.

  2. BTW, I’m getting so tired of the Goddamn Farmer yapping about “crops rotting in the fields” and the need for farm labor. We have over a million legal immigrants a year, and at least 12 million illegals in the USA. There aren’t more than 1 million farm workers.

    So, why do we need to give Amnesty to 12 million illegals, let in 1 million legal immigrants, and have defacto open borders so we can get 200,000 farm workers? Crazy. Here’s an idea. Why don’t farmers mechanize? Why don’t they raise wages, so the 1 million farm workers want to stay there?

    Some how the dam crops got picked from 1914-1975, without having to let in 30 million immigrants.

    1. rcocean:

      I don’t know where your statistics are coming from. But we’re not letting in 1 million per year. And many of those 12 million have been here up to 30 years.

      Your comment illustrates how Trumpers imagine a much worse situation than reality. And that reflects Trump. He’s never been near the border, but Trump imagines it’s out of control.

      1. rcocean is correct, Paul:

        “According to the 2016 Yearbook of Immigration Statistics, the United States admitted 1.18 million legal immigrants in 2016.[4] Of these, 20% were family-sponsored, 47% were the immediate relatives of U.S. citizens, 12% were employment-based preferences, 4% were part of the Diversity Immigrant Visa program, and 13% were refugees and asylum-seekers.[4] The remainder included small numbers from several other categories, including interpreters and other Iraqis and Afghans employed by U.S. Government; persons admitted under the Nicaraguan and Central American Relief Act; children born subsequent to the issuance of a parent’s visa; and certain parolees from the former Soviet Union, Cambodia, Laos, or Vietnam who were denied refugee status.”

        That is just the legal immigrants. Any numbers you may read about how many people immigrate here illegally are just estimates and guesses. They go through the system, so those numbers are accurate. No one finds each and every person who sneaks across and counts them. Estimates depend on some self reporting numbers, those caught and imprisoned for crimes where their illegal status becomes known, the AB60 license applicants for drivers licenses for illegal aliens in CA, and other guesses. Because our border is porous, we have absolutely no idea exactly how many get in illegally. That means that neither Trump nor those who claim that illegal immigration is a net zero have any real idea.

        Why do so many anthropologists try to limit or even deny access to remove Amazonian tribes? Because it would change their culture. Our country is supposed to be a Western civilization republic with Western values, such as democracy, Constitutionally protected individual liberty, equal rights for women and gays, the right to criticize our government, modern capitalism, and a democratic process for changing leadership. That is a minority view out of 7 billion people on Earth. If all 7 billion people on Earth crammed into the US borders in 365 days, along with our 325 million, then our country would get whatever the average viewpoint is globally on these issues. Blasphemy laws. Honor killings. Abuse of women. Starvation. Dictatorship. How else would that work? Overwhelm Western values with that of the rest of the world, and then the US would have the same problems as the rest of the world, that drove all that global migration in the first place.

        It is absurd to focus any argument on how much melanin anyone has in their skin. It is the least interesting factor. What matters really is whether their culture is amenable to Western civilization. Moral equivalence is a fallacy. Equal women’s rights in the US is not morally equivalent with the state of women in many countries, where their genitals are mutilated, forced into marriage often as children, and the majority report being beaten and/or raped by their husbands.

        It is just math. Under a certain number, the immigrants get absorbed into Western culture. They adapt and the general culture of the US stays the same. Over a certain threshold, Western culture and voting practices would change and adapt to them. Preserving our way of life is a rational consideration.

        Immigration is a titration experiment.

        1. Think of it this way, if you found every ISIS fighter on Earth, and invited them to come here, would you expect there to be consequences for our way of life and safety? If we invited everyone in Boko Haram, would you expect to see a rise in violence against women? If you invited each and every member of Latin American cartels, would you expect to see an increase in violence, drugs, and human trafficking? If you took every Crip, Blood, and MS-13 member and sent them to Lichtenstein, would you expect to see gang activity there?

          It seems like the pretty rational outcome, right? Who would expect that stepping on magical soil would suddenly change the pattern of criminal behavior?

          Illegal immigration makes the numbers limited only to how many can sneak through, and it takes a cross section – the criminals along with the good people. Legal immigration attempts to weed out the bad from the welcomed good, and keeps the numbers from crashing our economy or benefits system, and in line with available jobs and housing.

      2. The border between the Ports Of Entry is controlled by smuggling cartels. Their power extends well into the US, with safe houses, indentured slave labor, sex slavery, drug distribution, money laundering, contract murder, and arms smuggling.

        How is that not “out of control”? I would not want you defining “in control”. You seem like you would hand over control of US territory to the cartels, afraid to stand up to them. Have you been following the situation if the Philippines? That is what happens when softie liberals are in charge of public administration. It is infinitely harder to wrest back control from these gangs than to prevent their amassing power in the first place.

    2. Haha. If you ever learn what “facts” are, you will likely be ashamed of yourself for posting nonsense and appearing a fool here.

      this is to “it’s a conspiracy to thin out our pure white blood, I tell ya” rcoceanic

    3. It is disturbing how similar the arguments for illegal immigrants are to those in support of slavery. It was said that crops would rot in the fields, because there would be no slaves to pick them. Prices would make it unaffordable for the entire population if they had to hire white people to work the fields.

      Now, it’s the serf class of illegal immigrants that they are desperately trying to hold onto. If it involves toxic chemicals, like pesticides, or is dangerous, get an illegal immigrant to do it. It’s insane. I see them here in CA applying RoundUP without protective gear. I’ve seen them leaf blowing the streets after they moved the latest homeless encampment out. You can smell the human feces in the air, which means you are inhaling pathogens. All they have is a simple dust mask, which is not a complete seal and no protection against disease. But, they don’t have to improve working conditions if they can find some illegal alien to do the job. Sickening.

      Here is some more ways that illegal immigration shapes our country, in addition to the many links I posted to Paul in the previous blog post:

      1. When I was a kid, teenagers would make money mowing lawns. That’s how they saved up for their new bike, first car, or whatever else they wanted. They got summer jobs and mowed lawns. There were also professional companies that did more involved lawn maintenance and landscaping. Now, it’s exclusively illegal alien crews. Literally. I have not seen a teenager mowing a lawn in decades. The illegal aliens can undercut any reputable company, because they pay their guys cash under the table. The guys get more take-home pay than they would if they got the same amount in wages. The companies who hire legal people cannot compete with those prices. Then you get a lot of untrained illegal alien crews hacking at shrubbery with chainsaws and calling it “pruning”. You see topped trees throughout cities, when the practice has been abhorred by arborists for hundreds of years. They call that “pruning”, too. Anyone who hires a landscaping company in CA is statistically likely to be supporting companies that do not pay their workers any of the ages and benefits that they voted for.

      2. Many of the illegal immigrants from Latin America are uneducated, and thus have a very difficult time climbing the career ladder. They spend their entire lives doing grunt work. When I was a kid, most fast food workers were teenagers. They were getting their first job experiences at entry level jobs. But illegal immigrants may spend their entire lives at that work. So then you see movements to make entry level minimum wage jobs support a family of five. But you would have to increase those wages to over $35/hour in some places. In San Francisco, a million dollar house is usually a 1940s bungalow fixer upper with one bathroom. How much would a fast food burger made with the lowest quality meat possible short of scraping it off the road have to cost to have paid all the unskilled workers a real living wage? It would be the cost of dinging in a 5 star restaurant but the quality of fast food.

      3. One of the many reasons why we have so much poverty in the US is illegal immigration. Instead of keeping the numbers of unskilled immigrants to manageable levels, so as not to strain our benefits system, they just pour in as fast as they can survive the Hunger Games to get here. Which means that we need more and more and more money to pay for it. And we still have way too much poverty. We would have the resources to, for instance, help with adult illiteracy among immigrants if all immigrants went through the legal system, and the amount was manageable. Instead, they just spill into our cities and try to wing it, living 15 people to a house to try to afford it.

      4. Politics. Illegal immigration has affected our political system up to the Presidential election. Up until just a couple of decades ago, the Left and the Right agreed much more on immigration than they do today. They all wanted to protect native workers. However, the Left realized that the Latin vote equaled electoral votes and Congressional seats. And nothing courted the Latin vote better than supporting illegal immigration. Then, they doubled down and started removing or fighting any voter roll purges of illegal immigrants. Any effort to check for citizenship status is immediately knocked down as racist. It has changed the entire policy of the US so that they are actively working to keep the border porous. They create Sanctuary Cities, and fight even counting illegal immigrants by opposing even asking about it on the census, as had been done for many years. They offer scholarships and housing and benefits in CA to illegal immigrants, which all costs a boatload of money, which means they come to the taxpayers again and again and again for higher taxes.

      1. Karen S – I have a lawn maintenance service and everyone one on it is white, except for one Hispanic who is bilingual.

  3. Obviously, anyone who wants to make a “Refugee Claim” shouldn’t be allowed to just show up at the border and demand to be let in And if we want to do that, they should go to designated spots on the border. Everyone else should be sent back immediately.

    The Judges and Lawyers want to run Immigration policy – like they want to run everything. And the Left wing judges/lawyers want to make it so hard to deport anyone, that we have defacto open borders. They’ve make the death penalty an almost dead letter and they want to do the same thing with the immigration laws.

    1. While I agree that no asylum claims should be accepted by person caught jumping the border, I caution you about encouraging them to go to a Port of Entry. This is setting up the CBP for a Denial Of Service attack, in which the gangs get together and organize a mass assault of asylum seekers to overwhelm the resources of CBP. We have to be prepared for the President to do an Exec. Order only allowing asylum claims to be made at a US Consulate in the home country.

  4. Somewhere in the not to distant future our fruits and vegetables will be harvested by machines. Then what do we do with these people we needed for cheap labor.

    1. Machines already exist for shaking fruit out of trees. But someone still has to pick up the fruit and pack it in bushels. The current need for farm labor outstrips the supply.

      1. There are no needs without implicit purposes in mind. Nor is there such a thing as a ‘labor shortage’ absent manifestly rising wages. If the growers want labor, they’ll have to raise wages and improve working conditions. If the costs make their produce unsalable, that’s a market signal that they need to switch crops.



    Robert Mueller and the nation’s top intelligence official say Russia is trying to interfere in the midterm elections — but Republican and Democratic lawmakers say the Trump administration is keeping them in the dark about whether the U.S. is ready.

    A half-dozen senior House and Senate lawmakers who spoke to POLITICO say they’re hearing only an alarming silence from the administration about what Moscow’s trolls and hackers are up to, less than five months before an election that could undo the Republican lock on Congress and derail President Donald Trump’s agenda.

    They’re also getting conflicting messages: Mueller and Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats have both asserted that Russian efforts to undermine the American political system are underway, without offering any public evidence or specifics. Meanwhile, officials from the Department of Homeland Security say they haven’t detected any specific Russian attacks on U.S. voting machines or databases this year.

    “We’re getting so many mixed signals, depending on what the agency is,” said Senate Intelligence Chairman Richard Burr (R-N.C.), who is planning to convene a summit next month with intelligence officials. “It compels us to bring everybody together in the same room and try to figure out whether or not there’s some stovepipe issues.”

    Edited from: “Silence On Russian Election Meddling Frustrates Lawmakers”

    Today’s POLITICO


      LMAO. The ‘Russian meddling’ was a fiction cooked up by the likes of Andrew McCabe.

      1. Teaching: did one of your ‘students’ tell you that? I’m sure that being around the handicapped all the time has an effect on you.

        1. I’m sure that being around the handicapped all the time has an effect on you.

          If that’s your strategy Peter, it’s clearly not working.

        2. No, the contents of his portfolio of indictments told me that (in case I hadn’t guessed already). Now he’s making arrangements to hand off the ‘core’ of his ‘case’ to the U.S. Attorney’s office.

          1. Spastic: You mean all that Michael Cohen stuff..? Yeah, there’s a lot to hand off.

            1. No, I mean the Russian troll indictments. Rosenstein elected to assign the Cohen case to understaff at the U.S. Attorneys office in New York to begin with.

        3. “I’m sure that being around the handicapped all the time has an effect on you.”

          Peter Hill, are you making fun of the handicapped again?

          1. After posting this last reply I read another reply by a Helen that I couldn’t find on the page. It was probably lost in cyberspace so I will post it below mine.

            Helen writes:

            ““I’m sure that being around the handicapped all the time has an effect on you.”

            You just dissed the handicapped.

            I am handicapped and you buddy are a sack of sh@it….pathetic to be speaking poorly of groups of people just because you are not handicapped…as@@hole”

            I think Helen got that right.

            1. “I don’t think Nutchacha can keep up that spastic act too long.”

              Peter Hill, you don’t learn, do you? Making fun of the handicapped isn’t a laughing matter.

            2. She’ll change her user name, again — and probably sooner than later, but who knows.

      2. Ah, that settles it; you’ve made the call. NOW we know that the CIA, FBI and NSA are all part of the cabal of “Deep State” conspirators, whose nefarious design is to counteract the preferences of the gullible rubes, dupes, hicks and klan-lite wannabees who prefer their president, ignorant, incompetent, malevolent and with the comportment of a toddler. Thanks for breaking the case, inspector.

        this is to “I’ve discovered the identity of D.B. Cooper and Jack the Ripper while reading in my bathroom” spastic

    2. I wonder if there will be less meddling now that Hillary has been silenced. After all, it appears she gave the Russians plenty of stuff intentionally and unintentionally and they gave her money. She even gave them a restart button.

      Peter Hill might find a use for that button when he changes his alias.

  6. “Allan is a senile old fart who automatically calls me a ‘liar’ regardless of post. One can just imagine what a nasty geezer he is.”

    You are a liar. It is obvious I am not senile nor am I an old fart. You seem to talk through from one of your lower orifices.

  7. Peter Hill if I have my history right the John Birch Society was more of a sixty’s thing than a 50’s. I don’t think the movement even started until the end of the 50’s. I was a Democrat for many years so I don’t think that label would apply to me. I am not an expert on that society but if I remember what I have read it was anticommunist and believed in limited government. I think I must have agreed with those two points even when I was a Democrat.

    1. That’s a rather anodyne way of describing the Birch Society. They were ‘anti-communist’ and favored ‘limited government’ in the sense that AT & T was providing telegraphic services: it was in the product catalogue. Their signatures were a particular historiography delineated in Gary Allen’s None Dare Call it Conspiracy. They made use of a political idiom to express clinical paranoia. One thing I’ll say on their behalf is that their score on the Crazy Meter was lower than that of the 9/11 Truther claque. I think a residue of the Birch Society still exists. For the most part, that strand of starboard thinking dissipated during Mr. Reagan’s first term.

    2. Yeah, Allan, you were a Dixiecrat and the Birchers would have seemed like you’re kind of people.

      1. No. Birchers didn’t care for ‘civil rights’ agitators, but they had a different set of priorities.

        1. Teaching; I suspect you’re really Nutchacha. Nutchacha is strangely absent on this day you suddenly appear. Why the alias?

              1. “Instant Evacuation” It’s part of the prepper bug-out protocol. She must have had to go to a Code Red emergency situation. Thus the new handle. Duh.

                    1. “Shaking My Head”

                      And I’m pretty sure Anonymous wrote that because she correctly believes I’m Just Making Stuff Up. 😉

                    2. If anonymous had anything to do with the letters SMH then they mean State Mental Hospital.

                    3. Allan @
                      June 25, 2018 at 11:53 PM

                      “If anonymous had anything to do with the letters SMH then they mean State Mental Hospital.”

                      It’s good that you know where you live, Allan.

                    4. State Mental Hospital = Allan’s happy little home, where they let him spend all the time that he wants on a computer, so that he’s doesn’t drive the staff crazy

                    5. Anonymous, I was told that you were projecting. They probably have to up your dose of Thorazine.

                    6. But Alan, Anonymous is a submariner with the JMSU. I think that deserves a little repect, no? She’s JMSU. That’s an elite unit, you know. 😉

                    7. “But Alan, Anonymous is a submariner with the JMSU. I think that deserves a little repect, no? She’s JMSU. That’s an elite unit, you know. 😉”

                      TBob, every submarine has its clown.😀

                    1. Who’s just making stuff up, TBob?

                      And BTW, JMSU = Joint Marine Seismic Undertaking. 😉

      2. Peter Hill, I don’t think the Birchers or the Dixiecrats would like me much. My kind of people are loyal Americans of any race or religion, and others that work hard, are charitable and believe in something more than just themselves. In general, unlike you, they would be educated and see to it their children were educated as well and not living in their basement.

        You, on the other hand, would have probably loved Chavez and Maduro at least until the toilet paper ran out.

  8. What do you do if you identify someone who has come in before and claimed asylum and has been found wanting in their claim? Do they get to repeatedly claim asylum every time they cross?

    And do you get to claim asylum if you do not go to a port of entry where such claims are supposed to be made?

    1. Steve J.,,.
      – All good questions…I hope someone knowledgeable weighs in with the answer(s).
      In my experience, I get a response about a third of the time when I put a question out there on these threads.

  9. NJ Senator Cory Booker agrees with Maxine Waters on harassing Trump admin officials: “Nothing is wrong with confronting” them.

    1. Can someone “confront” Bory Cooker about what his actual home address is? Neither the media nor the law courts nor any potential opponents ever screwed the answer out of him. One thing his ‘neighbors’ would aver: it was the vacant house he was using as a voting address.

  10. New quote for the Statue of Liberty

    “Give me your driven, your virile
    Your talented seeking solutions unlike leftists so puerile,
    The denigrated creative from your festering universities
    Send these but not liberals who live in perversities
    I lift my gates for those embracing honor, virtue and productive adversities”

  11. I’m not sure it anyone covered this already, but these are not people “Applying for Asylum” these are people sneaking into the country and getting caught doing so. Americans with a scorched earth political agenda continue to gloss over or ignore this detail which is actually a key to the whole argument. They are in effect not arguing the issues but “straw men”

    1. You are of course, allowed your own opinion–no matter how uninformed and gullible it makes you appear–but not your own facts. “Facts,” which you apparently aren’t exposed to in your rapt attention to Pravda Faux News,are distinct and separate from the shrill screechings of talking heads who are shilling commemorative “silver” coins for you to buy as a hedge on the “end of times.” Pro tip: Hannity isn’t really trying to “inform” you of anything real.

      this is to “but hannity pinky swore that this Soros feller was behind it ALL” poetitiate

  12. I guess Prof T didn’t pay much attention to the words Prez Trump said:

    This weekend, Trump tweeted “We cannot allow all of these people to invade our Country. When somebody comes in, we must immediately, with no Judges or Court Cases, bring them back from where they came.”

    Section 4.

    The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence.

    I beleive Trump realizes what the Commie/Nazi/Prog Libs plan is to destory our country, posted below, the USA, Prof T, I’m not sure.

    Below is part of the decades long plan by those corrupt in this government to bring it down.

    Cloward Piven

  13. Just to further agitate the Corps of Commenters, I would ask the following:

    Who can offer up a sonnet (or even limerick) to replace the “Give me your tired, your poor..” verse that is inscribed on a tablet at the Statue of Liberty. One that (poetically, one would hope) expresses the “scram, keep out” viewpoint voiced by so many here.

    I have wondered why Trump hasn’t ordered the tablet removed from the base of the statue.

    1. “Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
      With conquering limbs astride from land to land;”


    2. It isn’t metered, but this bit of prose might do:

      establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity,

    3. Maybe you should wonder why anyone should want to come to the United States. It’s precisely because we were and still are the better option. If we weren’t, then leaving their home country wouldn’t be necessary. How long after we open our borders, accept anyone and everyone that wants in and don’t require them to assimilate; that the trek will not be deemed necessary, as their perceived lot in life would have no upside coming to America?

      1. Leaving their home country is seldom ‘necessary’. Mexico isn’t the Eastern Congo and very few people are discrete targets of any kind of criminal element. What it is is that they have relatives at the other end who tell them that satisfactory wage employment is available. The decision is understandable, but it just isn’t in the interests of the host country. It is, however, favored by important business and professional sets in the host country, and they’ve managed to make their views prevail even though most are against them.

          1. NPR doesn’t employ any more demographers than does Ann Coulter.

      2. Unfortunately for you, and the others of your ilk who fail to learn their history, everything you and others like you are saying about the current migrants was said about the previous migrants; be they Irish, German, Italian, Polish, Greek, Asian, Russian, Slavic, etc. Just as our Great Experiment was fully able to grow stronger and better through those prior hardy, hard-working, able and optimistic immigrants, so will we become better and stronger through the identical type of modern immigration.

        this is to “doomed to repeat it” olly

        1. Marky Marky Mark – “history repeats itself”. Is that what you tell your clients on their way to prison?

        2. Just as our Great Experiment was fully able to grow stronger and better through those prior hardy, hard-working, able and optimistic immigrants, so will we become better and stronger through the identical type of modern immigration.

          That’s a good post Mark; even after your errant first sentence. Conservatives, and you haven’t failed to learn from our shared history. We wouldn’t be the great nation we are without the millions of immigrants that helped build this country and have served this country in our great experiment. It would be encouraging if those that perceive themselves as part of your ilk recognize you see the value of the identical type of immigration that brought those in prior generations through our legal ports of entry.

          Well done! 🙂

    4. Cheese has holes.™
      More cheese means more holes.™
      More holes mean less cheese.™
      More cheese means less cheese.™

      Patent Pending™ © 2018™®™

    5. Jay S – at no point has Trump tried to stop legal immigration, just illegal immigration, and some asylum loopholes.

      1. Yes, but stopping either one interrupts crop cycles on the Democratic Party vote farm, so raaaaacist.

    6. The message on the Statue of Liberty is meant for those who enter the country legally–not for those who seek to enter the country illegally. A secure border and an orderly immigration process is not too much to ask.

  14. look over your shoulder folks, dont worry about the ones coming across the wire, look at the traitors within

      1. that’s why smart people do keep scores. so that if the opportunity arises, the scores can be settled.

        1. Ah, the keyboard warrior slinks out of his hole. Such a big, strong, mean talker.

          this is to “maybe if I just keep quiet, they won’t hurt me” kurtzy

  15. America is living Obama’s plan.

    Obama is having a good laugh at the incredible success of his children-as-the-“tip of the spear” campaign.

    Obama is “fundamentally transforming” America and Americans into extinction through “silent” invasion deploying children as the “tip of the spear,” a tactic proven effective by the unconstitutional, lazy, greedy, striking thug teachers and public worker unions (i.e. communist party). Employing sympathy and religion, Martin Luther King proved to Obama that Americans are gullible, manipulable fools with no backbone or resolve. Radical and brutal anti-Christian anti-colonialists allied with foreign and domestic world communists, AKA globalists, are diluting Western European dominion out of existence. They call it innocuous migration. It is lethal and terminal invasion. Children are their weapon of choice.

    All petitions for entry, including asylum, must be submitted from the petitioner’s country of origin. Most nations repulse invaders and enforce their borders with weapons which tend to convince invaders to cease.

    Americans are emasculated idiots.

    “Honey, don’t just stand there lookin’ like this dream will never end”

    – Jackson Browne

    1. George, Obama was tough on immigration. Trump told us so last week when images of children in cages came home to roost. Trump said, “Obama was doing it too”. And that’s largely true.

      1. Obama was tough on immigration.

        Yeah, that’s why we had the DACA disaster. Could you at least try to be a bright liar?

        1. Teaching: Why don’t you post statistics describing the ‘DACA disaster’. Maybe one of your ‘students’ can help you.

        2. DACA is irrefutably unconstitutional and should have been put before the SCOTUS long ago.

          If the justices of the SCOTUS do not declare it such, they must be impeached for crimes of high office.

          “[A] limited Constitution … can be preserved in practice no other way than through the medium of courts of justice, whose duty it must be to declare all acts contrary to the manifest tenor of the Constitution void. Without this, all the reservations of particular rights or privileges would amount to nothing … To deny this would be to affirm … that men acting by virtue of powers may do not only what their powers do not authorize, but what they forbid.”

          – Alexander Hamilton

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