He Said, She Said, They Said . . .: Two Men Reportedly Claim That They Assaulted Ford

download-6In a new twist, Committee staff has reportedly interviewed two men who say that they were actually the two teens who may as assaulted Christine Blasey Ford in 1982 and not Judge Brett Kavanaugh.  It is not clear what further information will be released on this latest disclosure but it raises an obviously serious matter for both sides.  I remain leery of this lat minute leak and the lack of details — unfortunately a common element in this ongoing controversy.

 

The report says that a man gave details about the assault and that a second man corroborated the account. Those details could be inserted into questions for Ford today and, if she confirms them, could be used to reaffirm the accounts of these men.

Ford maintains that she may not remember details but does remember Kavanaugh.  Moreover, the lack of details here is unfair to Ford.  If there are two such witnesses, either they are credible or they are not.  The burden is on the Committee to come forward with information on whether they believe that this is credible and not just leak the incomplete story.

333 thoughts on “He Said, She Said, They Said . . .: Two Men Reportedly Claim That They Assaulted Ford”

  1. Ford’s background ,home life, parents and behavior needs to be thoroughly researched. There is answers to be found there. As to why a 15 year old girl is drinking beer, and going to homes where older boys are? People need to also remember Ford has a PhD in psychology.

  2. Karen said, “If Kavanaugh blacked out, then he wouldn’t be ambulatory. ”

    Not true. There seems to be some confusion. The following from the University of Wisconsin’s School of Medicine and Public Health sums it up nicely, IMO.

    “Blackouts Caused by Alcohol or Drugs”

    https://www.uwhealth.org/health/topic/special/blackouts-caused-by-alcohol-or-drugs/sig263659.html

    The article:

    A blackout means not being able to remember what happened when you were drinking or using drugs. Blackouts are not the same as passing out. Passing out occurs when you lose consciousness. You don’t pass out when you have a drug or alcohol blackout. In a blackout, you lose short-term memories. A blackout is a type of amnesia.

    During a blackout, you may function normally. People around you may not notice anything different about your behavior. You might do the things you normally do, such as eat dinner, wash dishes, or watch television. But later you have no memory of doing them.

    Many people who have blackouts aren’t worried about them. They might remember feeling good but be unable to remember what they did. This is called euphoric recall. Other people find blackouts very disturbing and seek treatment because of them.

    You may pass out during a blackout. This can be caused by the effects of the alcohol or drugs, a head injury from a fall when you were drunk or high, or a seizure. You probably will not remember hurting yourself or having a seizure.

    If you think you have blackouts, don’t drive or operate any kind of machinery. Talk to your doctor about your blackouts. You might need to be tested for other problems that can cause loss of consciousness.

    Related Information

    Current as of: October 9, 2017

    Author: Healthwise Staff

    Medical Review: E. Gregory Thompson, MD – Internal Medicine & Adam Husney, MD – Family Medicine & Martin J. Gabica, MD – Family Medicine & Kathleen Romito, MD – Family Medicine & Peter Monti, PhD – Alcohol and Addiction & Christine R. Maldonado, PhD – Behavioral Health

  3. Democrats take the presidency.
    Their SC justice nominee is accused of a sexual crime
    No one believes the claim because
    1. s/he is the nominee of a democrat president
    2. People assume that the accusation is made in retaliation. A tit-for-tat sort of thing.
    This Kavanaugh thing could result in a “boy who cried wolf” scenario

    1. Are you kidding? They have eye witnesses, police reports, a 911 call, and text and email between the victim and Keith Ellison discussing his abuse, and they don’t believe it.

      There has always been a two track justice and morality system – one for Republicans, for whom a mere accusation with contradictory evidence is always taken as the truth, and one for Democrats, who can assault a waitress in public in a Waitress Sandwich, and still be the Lion of the Senate.

      Much of conservatives’ efforts is for equal justice and fair treatment.

  4. Peter Hill – I suggest you watch the interview yourself and read Sanger’s original literature and works.

    BTW, that is a very visceral response. Are you a relative of Sanger’s?

    1. BTW, that is a very visceral response. Are you a relative of Sanger’s?

      Paul,
      I believe Shill is a survivor of abortion from parents trying to follow Sanger’s doctrine of eugenics. Having to be raised by these birth parents, obviously his response is a manifestation of Stockholm Syndrome.

        1. Kavanaugh said “boof” means farting. And that “the devil’s triangle” is a drinking game. Jason Ponder will believe anything Kavanaugh says. And especially so whenever Jason Ponder knows that Kavanaugh is lying through his teeth in front of The United States Senate.

    1. Senator Murkowski quotations excerpted from the article linked above:

      “We are now in a place where it’s not about whether or not Judge Kavanaugh is qualified,” she told the New York Times Monday night. “It is about whether or not a woman who has been a victim at some point in her life is to be believed.”

      On Tuesday, she also told reporters that she sees the merit of an independent FBI investigation into the allegations, something Senate Democrats and the accusers have called for. “It would sure clear up all the questions, wouldn’t it?” Murkowski said.

      1. I would dearly love to hear what the FBI would have to say about an allegation for which the place and date are unknown. The only reason she claims she was 15 at the time was because she doesn’t remember driving there (where, she knows not), or how she got home. After she got her license, she liked to drive herself. She told her therapist she was in her late teens. She told WaPo this happened in 1985. Both of which would make it impossible for Kavanaugh to even be there. But she told the committee it was 1982.

        So why haven’t we heard from the FBI? First, this is not an alleged federal crime, and therefore not under their jurisdiction. There is no statute of limitations in Maryland, and they are free to file charges at any time. Second, they added this allegation to his background check file. Third, they could do more work on it should the President find it warranted. No reasonable DA would find such an allegation credible, nor would they find further work warranted. What are they supposed to do? Interview every person who was 13-20 years old in all of Maryland from 1980 to 1989?

        Democrats deliberately held onto an allegation of sexual assault from July to September, during which there was plenty of time for more investigation. In fact, to this day, they still have not filed charges in the relevant police station, which has jurisdiction.

        They did this because their openly stated goal is to block Kavanaugh in any way possible, until they take back the House, and then to hold that seat open until the election in 2020, when they hope to take back the White House.

        This is an open admission of using a sexual assault allegation as a political pawn.

        If this was a quest for justice, the allegation would have been delivered to the FBI in July. The information would have been given to the committee then. They would have interviewed her and kept her anonymity intact during the process.

        Whereupon the police would say there is literally nothing they can do about an allegation 36 years old when she doesn’t know where or when. They would confirm that her named eye witnesses claimed this never happened. Those are the facts that the committee has before them. This case would never be considered by a prosecutor.

        Then an expert on repressed memory retrieval would make a statement to the committee to the effect that it is junk science. That people get into a deep and relaxed state during hypnosis, and unscrupulous or incompetent therapists implant false memories. These false memories are undifferentiated from their real ones. They cannot understand why everyone they were so sure were there have no idea what they’re talking about, but they don’t. It has been proven that you can convince hundreds of people that they met Bugs Bunny, a Warner Brothers character, at Disneyland.

        This is not a federal crime, hence not in the FBI’s jurisdiction. They completed 6 background checks on him. They added this allegation to the file, just like they would any other.

        If the Republicans cooperate with Democratic demands, then they have willingly walked into a trap that uses an alleged sexual assault victim as bait. This will enable and encourage further such Machiavellian machinations. What this essentially would mean is that even though Republicans won the presidency and Congress, Democrats would still use political terrorism to force a pick that pleased Democrats. In the past, the right of a President to pick a SCOTUS candidate was acknowledged. Congress passed the other side’s pick. Republican accepted Democrat, and Democrat accepted Republican. That is how all of the most revered Democratic Justices attained their own seats.

        Such cooperation will end with this disgusting attack of party politics. You do not give in to terrorist demands. You do not pay a ransom. Or else you get more terrorism.

        If we ruin a man’s reputation and career based on a 36 year old accusation that has been refuted by her own named eye witnesses, then our nation will descend into third world politics. Every human being, man or woman, would be susceptible to this form of assassination by an enemy. It would be a gross miscarriage of justice done for political expediency. But it can only happen with the self destructive cooperation of Republicans.

    2. Senator Flake quotations from the article linked above:

      On Tuesday, Flake raised the stakes of his vote even higher and said, “Obviously, if you believe the charges are true, then you vote no.” During floor remarks on Wednesday, he appeared to suggest that he was planning to weigh Ford and Kavanaugh’s testimony before deciding how he’ll vote.

      “I will have to listen to the testimony before I make up my mind about the testimony,” he said. “I hope that tomorrow’s hearing gives us some guidance on how we are to vote.”

      Essentially, Flake seemed to say that he has to decide whether Kavanaugh is a liar, or whether his accusers are. But after the hearing, he remained on the fence.

    3. An unusual quotation from Senator Collins with a follow-up explanation by a spokesperson also excerpted from the article linked above:

      “There are so many rumors that there are issues with Christine Ford’s yearbook as well,” Collins said. “I don’t know whether that’s accurate or not. I don’t know what to make of someone’s high school yearbook.”

      Asked if Collins was talking about the Alex Jones “rumors,” Collins’s spokesperson said that “Senator Collins was referencing the rumors in circulation about both Judge Kavanaugh and Dr. Ford. She believes that Dr. Ford’s allegations are serious and should be heard by the Senate Judiciary Committee.”

  5. This is a very interesting article discussing the memory wars.

    There is significant evidence that repressed memories, especially those uncovered through hypnosis, aren’t real. There is even a protocol for implanting false memories that you cannot later convince the subject are not real.

    For example, there was a Satanic Cult craze going around in the 80’s and 90’s. Thousands of hysterical accusations were made for truly unbelievable crimes. It turns out that many of the accusations stemmed from false memories accidentally implanted by psychiatrists asking them leading questions during a relaxed state, in which they were highly susceptible to suggestion. Once a false memory is implanted, it feels as real as any other.

    https://www.thecut.com/2016/11/remembering-childhood-trauma-and-abuse-that-never-happened.html

    1. As long as we’re delving into repressed memory, how about taking a gander at amnesiac confabulatory syndrome due thiamine deficiency wrought by excessive consumption of alcohol (a.k.a. Korsakoff’s syndrome)?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholic_Korsakoff_syndrome

      If Kavanaugh was blacked-out at the time of the assault that Dr. Blasey-Ford alleged, then Kavanaugh could be utterly convince that he’s telling the truth and that, therefore, Dr. Blasey-Ford is supposedly lying. Maybe it’s time to find out if Mark Judge was also blacked out at the time of the assault alleged by Dr. Blasey-Ford. There are two other women–Ms. Ramirez and Ms. Swetnick–who allege excessive drinking by Kavanaugh at the time of the assaults or misconduct that they also allege against Kavanaugh. Ms. Swetnick has made her allegations against Mark Judge as well s against Kavanaugh. Why should Republican Senators simply assume that Kavanaugh’s memory is somehow more reliable than Dr. Blasey-Ford’s memory? Maybe Republican Senators secretly wish that all three of Kavanaugh’s accusers had Korsakoff’s syndrome, instead.

      1. If Kavanaugh blacked out, then he wouldn’t be ambulatory. You cannot restrain a woman when you are unconscious.

        If Kavanaugh was so drunk that he assaulted women, passed out, and then had gaps in his memory, then the other witnesses, including Dr Ford’s close friend, would have confirmed her story, instead of claiming it didn’t happen. He also would have a well established pattern of getting smashed drunk and assaulting women at parties. There would have been complaints about him at the time. There would be evidence in the strata of his life story, laid down indelibly throughout time.

        As has been explained to you sufficiently already, Kavanaugh’s second accuser called her classmates and admitted that she really had no idea if it was Kavanaugh. She was hoping they could jog her memory. To a man, they all said no. They had no idea what she was talking about.

        Kavanaugh’s third accuser requires us to believe that girls kept attending gang rape parties, in which girls were openly drugged and raped. We would have to believe that the accuser attended 10 of these, callously observing girls getting raped by trains of boys. There were no contemporary accusations in the 1980s about such trafficking rings. What she described was out in the open and in public. It would require her to act like a madame herself, as well as hundreds of people to stay silent.

        This is not the same standard of justice that we expect in America. Such ridiculous claims should not scuttle anyone’s career. Her allegations were disproven by her eye witnesses. She really has no idea about how old she was, which was critical to whether he was in the same state. She admits that she only thinks she was 15 because she cannot remember driving there.

        There has also been a well established mistrust of repressed memories by the psychiatric community. Hypnosis was abused in the 1980s and 1990s until the nation was gripped in hysteria, as hundreds of people came forward claiming that thousands of people were being killed in Satanic rituals. Except there was no evidence of any crimes. It turns out that therapists were so over zealous in the new repressed memory theories that they actually implanted the memories in the first place. Many were sued.

        Prisoners are quietly released and compensated every year for being put away based on repressed memories accessed through hypnosis or any other means. It’s a pseudo science. Her own husband said that she bumped heads with her parents over politics. She felt their neighborhood was male dominated, and deeply resented the male only golf course her father attended with her brothers. She left because she wanted attention and respect she wasn’t getting at home. That is a very strong subconscious motivation when in a suggestible state with a therapist.

        1. Karen said, “If Kavanaugh blacked out, then he wouldn’t be ambulatory. ”

          Not true. There seems to be some confusion. The following from the University of Wisconsin’s School of Medicine and Public Health sums it up nicely, IMO.

          “Blackouts Caused by Alcohol or Drugs”

          https://www.uwhealth.org/health/topic/special/blackouts-caused-by-alcohol-or-drugs/sig263659.html

          The article:

          A blackout means not being able to remember what happened when you were drinking or using drugs. Blackouts are not the same as passing out. Passing out occurs when you lose consciousness. You don’t pass out when you have a drug or alcohol blackout. In a blackout, you lose short-term memories. A blackout is a type of amnesia.

          During a blackout, you may function normally. People around you may not notice anything different about your behavior. You might do the things you normally do, such as eat dinner, wash dishes, or watch television. But later you have no memory of doing them.

          Many people who have blackouts aren’t worried about them. They might remember feeling good but be unable to remember what they did. This is called euphoric recall. Other people find blackouts very disturbing and seek treatment because of them.

          You may pass out during a blackout. This can be caused by the effects of the alcohol or drugs, a head injury from a fall when you were drunk or high, or a seizure. You probably will not remember hurting yourself or having a seizure.

          If you think you have blackouts, don’t drive or operate any kind of machinery. Talk to your doctor about your blackouts. You might need to be tested for other problems that can cause loss of consciousness.

          Related Information

          Current as of: October 9, 2017

          Author: Healthwise Staff

          Medical Review: E. Gregory Thompson, MD – Internal Medicine & Adam Husney, MD – Family Medicine & Martin J. Gabica, MD – Family Medicine & Kathleen Romito, MD – Family Medicine & Peter Monti, PhD – Alcohol and Addiction & Christine R. Maldonado, PhD – Behavioral Health

  6. Can we just cut to the chase, the Democrats hate Donald Trump, and this is a Trump appointee. They also feel somewhat uncomfortable with Kavanaugh philosophically. That’s what this is all about. The Democrats don’t give a dam about Dr. Ford. For them she’s just canon fodder.

  7. My 94-year-old grandmother told me a great saying when i was growing up:

    “When you don’t have the facts on your side, YELL!”

    And there seems to be a lot of yelling going on from Kavanaugh and some GOP senators.

    The yelling is meant to drown out the voices of the majority of the country, who don’t support this nomination.

    1. Just what “facts” do you see on Christine Ford’s side?? Did you not see what the Dems did to him? What Avenatti did? The slander? What the media was “reporting” about him? Like that he not only drugged girls but stood in line to gang rape them as a high school student? Trying to paint him as a falling down drunk? And you dare to ask why he’s so angry? There is truly something wrong with you if you cannot see what actually went on here.

      1. Jeff Flake and Susan Collins aren’t yelling. They know that these allegations are serious and merit law enforcement investigation.

        The state of Maryland ought to request one because there is no statute of limitations for sex crimes there.

        1. Jeff Flake and Susan Collins aren’t yelling. They know that these allegations are serious and merit law enforcement investigation.

          Wanna buy a bridge?

          1. Did you know that black-out mean drunks like Kavanaugh and Judge can be utterly convinced of their innocence? There’s no bridge than spans the memory gap in amnesiac confabulatory syndrome dues to thiamine deficiency caused by excessive alcohol consumption. It’s like bulk-erasing for magnetic tapes.

            1. “Did you know that black-out mean drunks like Kavanaugh and Judge can be utterly convinced of their innocence?”

              First, there would be a long history of comments and complaints made at the time, in the past, and over the course of years about bad behavior while drinking. A mean drunk who likes to party gets a reputation. A mean drunk who likes to rape girls at parties would have a strong reputation. 65 women would not write a supportive letter stating that they knew him for over 35 years, and could attest to his good character.

              Second, you have no proof that Kavanaugh and Judge were black-out mean drunks. Judge wrote about being an alcoholic; Kavanaugh did not. I have no idea if Judge wrote about being mean when he was drunk, but Kavanaugh said nothing of the kind. He said that he drank in high school, and I believe the legal drinking age was 18. He emphatically denied he ever blacked out, even a single time, and there have been no witnesses who contradicted that. There was also no documented evidence or comments at the time that he was a blackout drunk or mean.

              Third, there has been well established, peer review studies and scientific literature discussing the common problem of repressed memories turning out to be false implanted memories. It is part of the established scientific record.

              When I was in high school, there was a guy who would drink until he passed out. Every. Time. We learned to be careful of where we stepped while walking to our cars so as not to tread upon him. People watch over him. I’m glad he didn’t get run over. I didn’t know him well, but he seemed like a nice enough person, who had problems. Everybody knew about these issues, to the point that everyone was literally looking around carefully for him as we walked to our cars in the dark. It was sad that he was in so deep at such a young age.

              It would be literally impossible for my classmate to have passed out drunk in front yards, hallways, couches, and bushes at pretty much every single party, and to have not a single person have spoken about it at the time, nor anyone remember or corroborate it years later.

              You could claim literally anything, like he did drugs, he was kidnapped by aliens and implanted with a mind control device which they later removed, he took a ride in a gilded cage carried by a giant vulture, or literally anything that a dystopian urban novelist could come up with. Kavanaugh cannot prove a negative. He cannot prove that he’s never murdered a homeless person, pushed anyone in front of a train, or cut anyone’s brakes. He cannot prove he never put glue in a girl’s hair in third grade.

              In a system of law, the accuser has to prove the allegation.

              Otherwise, we go back to the days of lynch mobs. Anyone could make an accusation, and if the accused was part of a helpless or unpopular class, he would be immediately destroyed, no proof or legal standard required. Victims must be believed. People were wrongfully hanged over fraudulent charges of horse theft, rape, or spying. Of course, this lynch mob sham justice reached its hight in the Strange Fruit of the KKK lynch mob.

              It is telling that the Democratic Party seeks a return to the lynch mob, only it’s a political assassination they seek now. It is a Machiavellian effort to destroy political opponents in the most expedient way possible, and the #MeToo movement is apropos.

              1. Karen S – when you drink until you black out, you are still functioning, you will just not remember it when you are sober. That is different than drinking until you pass out. I have heard, but have no proof that if you black out again, you will remember what you did in the last blackout. I don’t even know how you would study this or who would allow it to be studied.

        2. Has Christine Ford contacted the authorities in the state of Maryland to file her charges for them to investigate?

          No, she hasn’t. She contacted politicians, instead.

          Or are you suggesting someone else is supposed to do that for her? Are you suggesting the state of Maryland should initiate an investigation on her behalf? Is that how you think it works?

        3. MarryA – she is very unclear as to where and when it occurred. No one, and I mean no one, knows if they have jurisdiction.

    2. The “yelling/bullying/unhinged” line the left is pushing isn’t working. Rachel tried her best tonight.

      What people look for is genuine behavior. Kavanaugh was perfect, not what I expected at all. Watch his full 45 minute opening statement. This is an extraordinary man in every way, but most importantly he’s a good, kind person.

      I was struck by Ford’s baby voice. Her lies about being afraid to fly and not knowing about Grassley’s public offer to fly out to her were never pursued. Doesn’t matter though.

      I wonder how many Dems will vote for Kavanaugh.

      1. IMO, There will be 0-4 votes for BK in the Democratic caucus. I’ll wager Manchin’s the most likely ballot for confirmation. There will be 0-4 votes against him in the Republican caucus. Republican defections are more likely than Democratic defections. Flake and Collins are the most likely defections (though will defect for different reasons).

        1. There’s no way you’re getting Murkowski to confirm Kavanaugh. You might get Manchin. But you’re extremely unlikely to get Donelly, Heitkamp, or Tester. And Kavanaugh still stupidly refuses to meet with Nelson. So you won’t get Nelson, either.

          BTW, are you really sure that Flake is going to vote Kavanaugh out of committee?

          1. L4Yoga enables David Benson, R. Lien and Marky Mark Mark – I am calling Flake today. He never listens to me, however, I am calling anyway. This maybe the first time he does. They do not need Flake to vote him out of committee to go to the full Senate. They just need a vote.

        2. George W. Bush is calling around whipping votes. He called Flake to urge a yes vote. He called Murkowski and Collins as well.

  8. Listen to Michael Avenatti.

    He has been right on the facts overall during the entire Trump presidency.

    He is a very savvy lawyer and wouldn’t take a client unless she was credible.

    1. Michael Avenatti’s client claims that she went to at least 10 parties within a year in which Kavanaugh ran a gang rape ring.

      She said the boys drugged girls, and waited patiently in a line to rape them.

      1. How would she know what was being put into the girls’ drinks?
      2. Why would any human being just stand there, watch a massive gang rape go on, say nothing about it, do nothing for the victims, and keep attending these rape parties?
      3. The drugging and raping appear to have happened in full view of her, and therefore other people. So why were girls still going to the parties? Why did the police never break them up and arrest everyone there, including the accuser, (is it spelled Swetnick)?
      4. It would take literally hundreds of people to stay silent for 36 years – victims, rapists, and bystanders. No one talked about this to anyone for 36 years. Rape trains. Drugs. And not a word was known to anyone for 36 years. It is incredible to think that there were no complaints about sex trafficking all these years, especially since Kavanaugh has been in the public eye for many years.
      5. Why would she not only keep attending assault parties, but also drink there, knowing the drinks were spiked with date rape drugs? Was her plan to bring her own beer, and be careful to guard it while being a voyeaur to a rape train?
      6. Did she invite girls to the rape parties? Fail to warn girls at the party? If what she said was true, then what is her explanation for her own involvement?

      Her story is unbelievable and she has no proof.

      Political terrorism.

      1. Karen S.,
        If you decide to follow the recommendation to “Listen to Michael Avennatti”, stay tuned for the next 100+ TV interviews he’s likely to give.
        Maybe he’ll explain away all of your questions that you raised about his client’s allegations 😊😉.

      1. Which is more likely: three fraudulent accusers or two mean black-out drunks with Korsakoff’s syndrome confabulating a bridge over their troubled amnesia?

  9. The news is out. We won. The Republicans have the votes and some Dems may join them. Hallelujah. Two down, two to go 🙂 7 – 2 has a nice ring to it.

    1. I’ll wait until next weeks vote when the whole Senate puts their reputations on the line. The same would be nice but 11-10 is ok 51-49 is something else.

      As to the two men that headlined this thread…. Find out tomorrow or before the
      Senate en toto votes next week.

      That’s when the wobblers will find a spine.

      Then we wait until Gizzard needs a rest. and six four becomes…. Whose turn is it Schumer will ask? Shut up and zip up Bloody Chuck. The women’s turn of course and with six four we’re in no hurry.

      Meanwhile let’s start investigating Harris and what’s her name the other one. . Turnabout is fair play.

    2. Not yet…

      BREAKING: Anti-Kavanaugh protesters are trying one last-ditch effort to crash the Senate and disrupt and delay tomorrow’s vote. They are being bussed from St. Stephens to SCOTUS steps at 8:15 am for rally, then marching on Capitol @ 8:30 am before trying to flood Dirksen Building

      BREAKING: Protest organizer Paul Davis to anti-Kavanaugh protesters: “The longer we can push it out (Friday’s vote), the better chance we have of influencing votes, because right now we have no one. Once it passes committee, it will be extremely hard to stop the nomination.”

      (Paul Sperry)

      1. Resorting to violence and harassment to try to disrupt the democratic process again. Impose their will through force. Fascists.

  10. “Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) has led the effort to investigate sexual assault claims against Supreme Court nominee Judge Brett Kavanaugh. Democrats refused to take part, and instead attacked the investigation as “partisan,” demanding the red herring of an FBI investigation instead (an idea Joe Biden himself has attacked). Grassley’s staff have received disgusting threats and name-calling.”

    Grassley’s office sent — —– six examples of these attacks on Thursday. Once again, allegedly feminist protesters are wishing for pro-life people to get raped.

    “You’re a disgusting excuse for a human being, and I don’t know how you can live with yourself,” one caller told a Grassley staff member. “I hope you never have children because they’ll be just as worthless as you are.”

    “You’re racist trash,” another caller said.

    “Senator Grassley doesn’t have a spine and neither do you b*tch,” another yelled.

    “I just wanted to call and tell you that you are a piece of sh*t and Senator Grassley is a f*cking piece of sh*t and he can’t die from a heart attack soon enough,” another caller said.

    “I feel really sorry for women like you — outside of your office you’re probably disturbed by this but apparently you have a job to do,” another caller said.

    The worst call actually wished rape on a Grassley staffer. “I hope you get raped so you can understand what that woman is going through,” the caller said.

    – — —–

  11. One thousand four hundred sixty-four abortions were performed during the 8 hours of the hearing today……….That’s 183 an hour.
    If half of those aborted babies were girls, then approx. 732 little girls aborted during the hearing.
    The Democrats are so passionate about protecting the rights and welfare of girls………oh, except the ones in the womb, of course.
    The Republicans should have kept an abortion tally, the same size. as Kavanaugh’s year book page poster that Leahy held up.

    1. Except for the fact that you and the other wackjobs can’t figure it out that they’re not “little girls” or even “little boys.” They aren’t even “little people” or anything resembling same. That’s why authentic people make fun of you, your ilk, the other gullible rubes, dupes, klan wannabees, pocket traitors and grifters on the make. Maybe you and your looney pack should try to outlaw male masturbation; imagine the humanity!!!!

      this is to “but all my old, eccentric white friends think just like I do” karen

      1. Marky Mark Mark – Margaret Sanger’s purpose for Planned Parenthood was to get rid of blacks using a Eugenics model. She has achieved her purpose using useful idiots like you. Do you feel good about yourself?

        1. Haha. Whatever you’re imbibing, you probably shouldn’t post while doing so. Pro tip: fixating on wackjob conspiracy irrelevancies will get the family worried about whether dad needs to move…

          this is to “I heard that an abortion doctor was on the grassy knoll” paulie

          1. Marky Mark Mark – we have gone over this before. You are not now nor will you ever be a pro. I watched Sanger’s interview from the 1950s. She lied all the way through it. It was fun to see Mike Wallace smoking through the interview and pimping the cigarette. That was a plus. It was a live interview, so there we no cuts like 60 Minutes, where they use the edits to manipulate the questions and answers.

      2. Cindy Brag and the uninitiated:

        “Marky Mark’s NPD”

        Narcissistic personality disorder — one of several types of personality disorders — is a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, troubled relationships, and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of extreme confidence lies a fragile self-esteem that’s vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

        A narcissistic personality disorder causes problems in many areas of life, such as relationships, work, school or financial affairs. People with narcissistic personality disorder may be generally unhappy and disappointed when they’re not given the special favors or admiration they believe they deserve. They may find their relationships unfulfilling, and others may not enjoy being around them.

        Treatment for narcissistic personality disorder centers around talk therapy (psychotherapy).

        Symptoms

        Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and the severity of symptoms vary. People with the disorder can:

        Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance
        Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration
        Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
        Exaggerate achievements and talents
        Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
        Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people
        Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior
        Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations
        Take advantage of others to get what they want
        Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
        Be envious of others and believe others envy them
        Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious
        Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office
        At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can:
        Become impatient or angry when they don’t receive special treatment
        Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted
        React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior
        Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior
        Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change
        Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection
        Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation

        ***When to see a doctor***

        People with narcissistic personality disorder may not want to think that anything could be wrong, so they may be unlikely to seek treatment. If they do seek treatment, it’s more likely to be for symptoms of depression, drug or alcohol use, or another mental health problem. But perceived insults to self-esteem may make it difficult to accept and follow through with treatment.

        If you recognize aspects of your personality that are common to narcissistic personality disorder or you’re feeling overwhelmed by sadness, consider reaching out to a trusted doctor or mental health provider. Getting the right treatment can help make your life more rewarding and enjoyable.

        *** Emphasis

        1. Awesome! Alex, I’ll take day glo bozo disorders for $1000.

          this is to “I kinda likes ta cut-and-paste a whole bunch when I gets into the medicinal vodka” georgie-paulie

        1. You types aren’t even authentic humans to me; karen = cindy, just as paulie = georgie. No difference whatsoever, since none of you are actual, rational, human-types. You’re nothing more than an intolerant, close-minded, spiteful, inbred hick who generally wish the “good ole days” would come back. So, drive down to the Sonic before it closes for good in your little one-blinking-light crossroad, and dream of what life was like before the bypass was built and when the railroad used to run in your little lost part of Nowhere, B.F.E. Pro tip: on the internet, no one knows you’re a dog.

          this is to cindy-karen

          1. Am I a type or an ilk? One of “those people”? I’ve always wondered what it would be like to belong to a tribe of ilk…Do they bell like elk?

          2. Marky Mark Mark – thank you for outing your narcissistic self. We all knew it, we just did not know if you knew. Seems you do. I really don’t care about you, however, I have concerns that if you are an attorney and you are defending people in the criminal system, that you do a good job. I have real fears that you are incapable of doing that. And it is all because of how you operate on this blawg. And you do realize I am not the only one who thinks this way about you?

            1. More awesomeness. If purported people of your type are “concerned” about anything to do with me, then I’ve successfully demonstrated the difference between myself and the gullible rubes, dupes, klan wannabees, pocket-traitors and grifters on the make who congregate here and who are conjoined by their utterly nonsensical theories and thought processes. However, rather than concern yourself and your imaginary posse with my humble missives, you really should be asking yourself: “what is that ticking sound?”

              this is to “he’s not imaginary, I have a mouse in my pocket” paulie – georgie

              1. Mark:

                “people of your type”. You are perilously close to referring to those who disagree with you as “you people” which, as the Left well knows, is racist.

                Are you a racist, Mark?

                https://lifehacker.com/these-words-and-phrases-have-racist-origins-1823042643

                “As if black people needed any more reminders that white privilege rules American society, the phrase “you people” makes the balance of power abundantly clear, in any given interaction.

                Take, for instance, a 2012 interview where Good Morning America‘s Robin Roberts asked Ann Romney about her husband’s apparent reluctance to publicly disclose his tax returns.

                What started out as an impassioned defense against her husband’s alleged lack of transparency became yet another moment when Republican leaders stepped into racialized territory.

                “We’ve given all you people need to know and understand about our financial situation and how we live our life,” she told Roberts, drawing widespread ire on social media, as reported by Mashable.

                Rarely, if ever, do whites address their peers using the same phrasing, even during moments of frustration or confusion.”

      3. Simple solution which is probably why it is current law. The federal standard does not preclude State changes since it is a state issue anyway.

        Viability. The ability to live no matter how early the birth. Generally in layman terms is about six months plus. But it takes a real obstitrician or gynecologist not one of the half baked non-sciences

        The mothers or preferably the mothers and the fathers choice up to viability. Prior it is termed a fetus. After an unborn citizen.

        This takes care of preemies or babies born prematurely for any number of reasons, takes care of women’s choice giving them a clear six months to decide, and goes through and especially emphasizes late term or abortion during birth thus the term unorn citizens.

        After all who gave the mother the right to be judge, jury and executioner and where does due process fit in. Nowhere for the left they are big on presumption of guilt. Not far enough for the the other side of the coin.

        No one is satisfied everyone gets a partial solution BUT the solution IS valid for all sides.

        Women’s choice. What happened to birth control? Can’t afford the pil or for the father couldn’t afford a condom but could afford a baggie….??? or a new fishing rod?

        Now as to welfare factories two strikes your out and vasectomy or tubal ligation or no welfare solves that choice.

        No one is completely happy but every one got part of what they wanted. The baby as a fetus never survives to know but as viable citizen is VERY happy. not to have had his or her brains stabbed with surgical shears then sliced and diced. Or even the more humane method used in China a big mutha syringe and needle filled withI wo formaldehyde and stabbed into the soft spot top of the skull.

        I’ve seen statistics that Kha Khan Ghengis Temujin did in up to 700
        milion but that may be a far stretch. Even Temujin gave a choice and the viable but unborn baby here gets no choice.

        Using the figures supplied and mine (source below)

        WHO are the real Barbarians and WHO are the REAL Baby Killers?

        And if the women don’t want to be baby factories why aren’t they required to do like the men and sign up for the draft in order to get coillege loan money?

        According to the works of the Iranian historian Rashid al-Din (1247–1318), the Mongols killed more than 700,000 people in Merv and more than a million in Nishapur. The total population of Persia may have dropped from 2,500,000 to 250,000 as a result of mass extermination and famine.
        Destruction under the Mongol Empire – Wikipedia

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_under_the_Mongol_Empire

    2. Cindy, explain to us why Baptist Preachers and Catholic Priests should dictate social policies. The majority of Americans under 50 want to get Preachers and Priest out of politics.

      1. Pete Pete…………Thanks to science, we now know a fetus has a heartbeat at 6 weeks. That’s not Baptist. That’s not Catholic.
        That’s life.

      2. Cindy, explain to us why Baptist Preachers and Catholic Priests should dictate social policies.

        Please explain why in your cocaine-addled head a democratic decision to outlaw a barbarous practice amounts to ‘Baptist Preachers and Catholic Priests dictating social policies”?

      3. Peter Hill – Preachers, Imams and Priests have as much right to be in politics as lawyers, doctors, teachers, dumpster divers and life guards. I think there is some SC case law on it.

    3. Good post Cindy. Markitty makes the statement: They aren’t even “little people” or anything resembling same. Even the folks at PP would laugh him out of the building on that one.

      Perhaps someone needs to create an Abortion Clock like the Debt Clock.

  12. It is always fascinating to see what we want to se whether what we see is actually what is visible or not. I’ll tell on myself. My Bears have never fouled at any time. Never seen a single penalty by them. Not one. Their opponents are guilty of egregious fouls at least 75 times a game. That is the truth. Don’t doubt me on this.

    1. betty lou bates – I have noticed the same thing with my beloved Sun Devils. Although they are incapable of wrong, they are often wrongfully penalized by refs paid off by the opposing team.

    2. The Bears are a football team. There are no “fouls” in American football, only “penalties.” My Chelsea foul all the time. I see every one…it’s kind of obvious and the replay doesn’t lie. I do doubt that you watch any type of football.

  13. Good quote to ponder:

    “It is more important that innocence be protected than it is that guilt be punished, for guilt and crimes are so frequent in this world that they cannot all be punished.

    But if innocence itself is brought to the bar and condemned, perhaps to die, then the citizen will say, ‘whether I do good or whether I do evil is immaterial, for innocence itself is no protection,’ and if such an idea as that were to take hold in the mind of the citizen that would be the end of security whatsoever.”

    ― John Adams

        1. Marky Mark Mark – it is too early to get a chubby. You don’t want the whole blawg to know you have PE do you?

  14. If Republicans were smart they would delay the vote until after the election. If they appoint a judge accused of attempted rape now, it will kill them with unaffiliated women in November.

    Most women I have talked to believe Ford and she comes across as someone who could easily be their friend.

    She was much more likeable in testimony and the public will believe her over a privileged judge whose best friend boasted about their drinking prowess as youths.

    Alcohol abuse fuels sexual misconduct. This has been widely known since at least the 1990s.

    1. Chrissy was herself a binge drinker and her yearbook pages paint her as being a party girl, beer and boys, promiscuity….she was no choir girl in high school. But not one question was asked about any of this.

      Plus she said in her testimony today something about not doing well in college because of this trauma that happened to her during her sophmore year of high schoool. So why didn’t she flunk out of high school if she was so traumatized? The trauma didn’t affect her studies until college several years later?

      So many inconsistences in her testimony went unchallenged.

      1. The only question area not pursued. How do you not know where or what or when on only one beer? Answer? You are hiding something. And as aluded how many of these happened and for what gain?

        The other, older one went to ten plus of these gang rapes and remained spotless? Question for her is … how much did she make for being the one in the room on the train tracks? It was rather obvious.;

    2. “It will kill them with unaffiliated women”…..

      Do you think the Democrats underestimated how Kavanaugh was going to respond to this character assassination of him and his family? I do. They were completely taken aback that he hit back as hard as he did.

      Want another prediction? The Dems are underestimating how angry and disgusted with the Democrat party many women are today and I guarantee this is going to back fire on the Dems. Not the other way around.

    3. Nah, it would be dumb to delay the vote and it obviously isn’t going to happen no matter how many times you or other confused lefties say it. Kavanaugh’s response buried his weak-kneed enemies. This process is a boon to the right. The level of anger I just heard from my lefty brother was off the charts. Keep trusting those same polls that led you astray last time!

      Bearing false witness is one of the most serious sins. This has been widely known since at least 0 BC.

      1. Interesting, but irrelevant. Rather, you, you ilk, the gullible rubes, dupes, klan wannabees, pocket-traitors and grifters on the make should be asking yourselves: what is that ticking sound?

        this is to “I have a set of hannity pom-poms right in front of the boob-tube” ivan

        1. You know how Corey Booker had his “I am Spartacus” moment?

          You could have one too. Yours would put the emPHAsis on the last syLLAble, like this: “I’m SparticASS” !!

    4. Most of them don’t vote. In 2016 when we put together the largest voting block as unaffiliated or independent self governing citizens with a big push from the combat arms of the military we managed of voted actually cast 40% leaving 60% divided between GOP and DNC. In California we would have taken every position and won every question. Nationwide and in support of the Constitutional Republicans we effectively took 55% of electoral.

      Now go check the figures for how many in the eligibile vote pool did register AND vote, I’ve seen 20% up to 30% at best.

      Which reminds me it’s officially 2016 Part II for all those who helped keep our
      Republic. Pass it on.

      We can do without this mythical non existent Democracy the un- or under educated keep jaw jacking about.

    5. If Republicans were smart they would delay

      It’s always amusing when Democrats proffer stupid advice for us to do things which will serve their interests, even more when they add this preface.

      1. According to your most recent namesake, the age of asymmetric information is over and done with. Exactly why you imagine him being sent to the pillory for that observation remains to be explained. As much I would love to, I can’t even begin to guess at it.

  15. Now you understand why the American Founders established a restricted-vote republic, eschewing a one man, one vote democracy.

    Ben Franklin, we gave you “…a republic, if you can keep it.”

    Enough incoherence and hysteria.

    Repeal the anti-constitutional and unconstitutional 13th, 14th,15th and 19th amendments.
    ______________________________________________________________________

    “…amendments…as will not injure the Constitution.”

    Proposed Amendments to the Constitution, June 8, 1789

    ” And if there are amendments desired, of such a nature as will not injure the constitution, and they can be ingrafted so as to give satisfaction to the doubting part of our fellow citizens; the friends of the federal government will evince that spirit of deference and concession for which they have hitherto been distinguished.”

    – James Madison

  16. The Democrats who destroyed Judge Kavanaugh’s good name and reputation are now using the talking point that he “lacks the temperament to be a justice on the SC” because of how angry he came across today in his testimony !!!

    These people are both shameful and shameless at the same time…if that’s even possible. Just despicable.

    Judge Kav, imo, exhibited unbelievable restraint and control given what they’ve done to him, his family and his good name over the past few weeks.

    1. Kavanaugh said at the end of the hearing that he had not watched Ford’s testimony, but he intended to watch it later.

      I can only imagine that he might be even more outraged than he already is once he sees that obvious questions were never asked of Ford, nor were glaring inconsistences challenged.

          1. TBob – Then I agree with you, he’s caught between the self-serving Republican Senators worried about their own optics and re-elections and a self-serving President that can’t let anyone go down for sex crimes.

            1. Enigma, I’ll leave you with this from Ann Coulter which I’m sure you’ll enjoy as much as I did:

              “So when all was said and done, the Dems were reduced to grilling a Sup Ct nominee about high school fart jokes. Their “Me Toot” moment.”

              1. “Boof” does not mean flatulence. The Devil’s Triangle is not a drinking game. Ann Coulter exalts in lying liars lying through their teeth while demanding to be seated on the highest court in the land.

                (Did you know that when Ann Coulter turns sideways she disappears–except for the hair?)

                1. L4Yoga enables David Benson, R. Lien and Marky Mark Mark – someone is jealous of Ann Coulter. You do not wear it well.

        1. He should be angry with the Republicans on the committee for not pointing out all of the glaring discrepancies that have been discussed at length on this blog.

          Instead, they left his defense up to him. He was not allowed to cross examine his accuser, or he could have pointed out the following:
          1. Her therapist indicates she told her she was in her late teens when this happened, there were 4 boys in the room, and she did not name Kavanaugh
          2. She later said this happened in the late 1980s
          3. Both of the above would exonerate Kavanaugh since he would have been out of state in college at the time
          4. She changed her story again to 1982. She claimed it was 1982 because she does not remember driving there or back, and after she got her license, she preferred to drive. The entire possibility that Kavanaugh was even in the same state as her depends upon her being 15 years old or younger. And yet, that critical piece of information depends upon her deducing her age because she does not remember how she got to a party, so therefore she must have not had her drivers license.
          5. Every single eye witness she named denied her account.
          6. She does not remember where or when the party happened, and is guessing even about the year. It is impossible to investigate an event when you don’t know where or when it happened, and no one you named knows anything about it.
          7. She referred to a “repressed memory”, which has been for the most part debunked in the psychological field. The Satanic Hysteria of the 1980s and 1990s was caused by therapists applying hypnotherapy to find “repressed memories” and instead accidentally implanting false memories the patients sincerely believed were real. They could not understand why no one they were sure were present for a traumatic event know what in the world they were talking about.
          8. Who paid for her attorneys, the polygraph, her travel, and any other expenses? Her attorneys have not charged her. She admitted one of them was referred to her by Diane Feinstein. Is someone paying their bills? Are they Democratic activists themselves?
          9. She claimed she would not come to the committee when they asked her earlier, because she is afraid of flying. And yet, she flies all over the world on surfing vacations.
          10. She claimed she did not know of the committee’s offer to come to her in CA, which was made multiple times, in writing, to her counsel. It was discussed at length in the national media. She declined the offer through counsel, but told the committee she knew nothing about it. Who’s lying? Did she lie about not knowing, and never watched the news or listened to it, while we were all wondering why she declined every single groveling offer to get her to tell her story? Or did her counsel not provide their client with an offer from the committee, and then decline it on her behalf without her knowledge?
          11. She claims that her grades suffered her first two years in college. She claims this happened when she was 15. Did her grades suffer when she was 16 and 17, too? Can she provide high school and college transcripts?
          18. Her yearbook had entries regarding her penchant for drinking and partying, which Kavanaugh has been skewered for. Produce the yearbook.
          19. Her anti-Trump rhetoric on social media, and participation in anti-Trump rallies, should be examined and questioned.
          20. Question her on the material changes to her story between 2012 and 2018.
          21. Question her on the changes to her written statement, which was the basis of her polygraph test, and the statement she gave to the committee. The polygraph asked her a grand total of 2 questions – “Is any part of your statement false?” and “Did you make up any part of your statement?” If that is true, then the contradictory statement she gave the committee, under penalty of perjury, was false. The polygraph statement said there were “4 boys and a couple of girls” at the party. Her letter to Diane Feinstein said the party “included me and 4 others.” As Professor Turley remarked, the polygraph test was administered strangely. They do not usually ask only 2 vague questions.
          22. In a criminal investigation, should it come to that, the defendant is entitled to subpoena the accuser’s medical records, including mental health records. She should release them, as the case has been made that she is either a very troubled woman, or there were questions about this repressed memory being a false memory. How was the “repressed memory” uncovered?
          23. It has been said that she had 2 front doors because she rented rooms to Google interns. The other front door was for them. She claims that the second door was because of PTSD because she was grabbed at a party 36 years ago. Did she show intense claustrophobia before, such as on a plane on the way to Costa Rica? Has she a history of such intense anxiety as to requiring multiple exits to her home?

          You know, those questions. Instead, his accuser was not questioned on these glaring discrepancies. Many former prosecutors have come forward to say such a case would never be considered for prosecution. In order to investigate a crime, you have to have a where and when. When every single witness you name denies your story, your accusation is not pursued. How can it be?

          How would you feel if someone made an outrageous accusation, had zero proof, kept changing her story, and every single witness she named contradicted her, but people were clamoring that she should be believed anyway. If you don’t believe her, you are part of the patriarchy and support sexual predators. If you do believe her, your career and the rest of your life is ruined. How would you defend yourself against that? Not a single person would be able to withstand such an assassination attempt.

          1. Karen – What we could agree on is that the process sucks. A Senate (or House) hearing is the least likely place to find the truth, more likely to hear politicians read statements they didn’t write and ask questions only if they already know the answer.

            Some of the “facts” you presented I disagree with but for every questionmark about Ford’s testimony, there is one about Kavanaugh’s. Some of his explanations about what he wrote in his yearbook (Renate and “ralph”) for example are implausable.
            Mark Judge, alleged to have been in the room was not cross-examined, his alleged actions make him culpable and he had every reason to not want to be there.
            I do know that Senate Republicans, Donald Trump, and Brett Kavanaugh didn’t want an FBI investigation. For Kavanaugh it seems counter-intuitive because it should only be able to help him? Unless it will expose lies, about his drinking for example which would make all his other testimony suspect.

            You are right that an environment where all women are automatically believed is detrimental. Historically, black males have often been victims of these types of lies which led not to ruining their good names but their lives, so I’m sensitive to that concern. The answer cannot be to automatically disbelieve their story, out of concern for how such a claim would affect the man.
            AT this point, Kavanaugh’s way to withstand an assassination attempt would be an investigation proving his innocence. Of course if he’s guilty, the same investigation would be the last thing he would want.

      1. Imagine Kav’s “outrage” when a new majority opens an investigation (or three) into his testimony under oath in this proceeding and in his nomination hearing for the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals.

        this is to “what is that ticking sound” t-hot bobbie

  17. Duke Lacrosse Malicious Prosecution

    Mike Nifong
    US prosecutor Mike Nifong to be disbarred for ethics violations

    On June 16, 2007, the North Carolina State Bar ordered Nifong disbarred after the bar’s three-member disciplinary panel unanimously found him guilty of fraud, dishonesty, deceit or misrepresentation; of making false statements of material fact before a judge; of making false statements of material fact before bar investigators, and of lying about withholding exculpatory DNA evidence.

    Following the state bar’s announcement, Nifong submitted a letter of resignation from his post as Durham County district attorney, that would have become effective in July 2007. However, on June 18, Durham Superior Court Judge Orlando Hudson ordered that Nifong be immediately removed from office.

    On August 31, 2007, Nifong was held in criminal contempt of court for knowingly making false statements to the court during the criminal proceedings. Durham Superior Court Judge W. Osmond Smith III sentenced Nifong to one day in jail, which he subsequently served.

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