Democrats, including Speaker Nancy Pelosi, have been hitting the airways to declare that the evidence of impeachable acts by President Donald Trump is not only clearly established by the Special Counsel Report but additional impeachable acts are unfolding every day. However, on Wednesday, a closed door caucus was held with a very different and apparently uncontested view: no impeachment. I have previously written about the disconnect of what Democrats are telling their voters and what they are actually saying to each other. Since before the midterm election (when impeachment was a big sell for giving the Democrats the majority), I do not believe that the House leadership ever intended to allow an impeachment to move forward against Trump because it is not in their political interests.
According to reports, none of the firebrands calling for impeachment publicly even raised the issue in the caucus. Instead, Pelosi raised it to reaffirm again that it was a non-starter. What may be red meat for Democratic voters on MSNBC is clearly off the menu for not just the House leadership but the House rank-and-file.
While I think this would be a difficult impeachment case given the mixed and incomplete findings of Robert Mueller, that has nothing to do with Pelosi and others fulfilling their oaths if they believe impeachable conduct has occurred.
Pelosi said that they will not initiate impeachment proceedings. Period. Not a single member voiced a dissenting view. She even spoke in the voice of their voters and said that they have to be shown other things that they can do: “Why aren’t we impeaching the president? Why aren’t we impeaching him? They get a little down.”
The description of voters being “a little down” is an understatement. Many members raised impeachment as the pitch for gaining control of the House and many are still pretending that they are actively working to that end, including a number of presidential candidates. That leaves a disturbing disconnect between what the members are saying among themselves and what they are telling the public. It also makes investigations looks like little more than “bread and circus” distractions.
What do you think?
TRUMP’S SANITY STILL IN QUESTION
Here are Trump’s tweets from the last 10 hours.
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Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump 3h3 hours ago
With all of the Fake and Made Up News out there, Iran can have no idea what is actually going on!
9,114 replies 8,685 retweets 34,552 likes
Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump 5h5 hours ago
It now seems the General Flynn was under investigation long before was common knowledge. It would have been impossible for me to know this but, if that was the case, and with me being one of two people who would become president, why was I not told so that I could make a change?
26,365 replies 16,619 retweets 60,159 likes
Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump 6h6 hours ago
The Fake News Media is hurting our Country with its fraudulent and highly inaccurate coverage of Iran. It is scattershot, poorly sourced (made up), and DANGEROUS. At least Iran doesn’t know what to think, which at this point may very well be a good thing!
9,501 replies 12,572 retweets 44,686 likes
Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump 7h7 hours ago
Will Jerry Nadler ever look into the fact that Crooked Hillary deleted and acid washed 33,000 emails AFTER getting a most powerful demand notice for them from Congress?
16,588 replies 18,685 retweets 63,925 likes
Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump 8h8 hours ago
My Campaign for President was conclusively spied on. Nothing like this has ever happened in American Politics. A really bad situation. TREASON means long jail sentences, and this was TREASON!
27,859 replies 24,746 retweets 80,474 likes
Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump 8h8 hours ago
New Fox Poll: 58% of people say that the FBI broke the law in investigating Donald J. Trump. @foxandfriends
11,188 replies 14,157 retweets 59,101 likes
Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump 8h8 hours ago
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
13,403 replies 25,460 retweets 120,004 likes
Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump 8h8 hours ago
DRAIN THE SWAMP!
10,681 replies 15,319 retweets 65,424 likes
Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump 8h8 hours ago
“What happened is that Donald Trump won. Down goes Comey.” @foxandfriends
4,089 replies 10,619 retweets 47,662 likes
Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump 9h9 hours ago
Will the Democrats give our Country a badly needed immigration win before the election? Good chance!
3,896 replies 10,107 retweets 45,442 likes
Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump 9h9 hours ago
All people that are illegally coming into the United States now will be removed from our Country at a later date as we build up our removal forces and as the laws are changed. Please do not make yourselves too comfortable, you will be leaving soon!
13,688 replies 26,719 retweets 99,541 likes
This Tweet Stands Out:
My Campaign for President was conclusively spied on. Nothing like this has ever happened in American Politics. A really bad situation. TREASON means long jail sentences, and this was TREASON!
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To begin with, Trump was only a candidate at the time this alleged ‘spying’ was conducted. For that reason alone the alleged ‘spying’ wouldn’t qualify as a treason. Beyond that, however, one has to wonder ‘who’ Trump is threatening here with “long jail sentences”.
worse than Watergate~!
Trump understands the world. The Washington Post does not.
“With all of the Fake and Made Up News out there, Iran can have no idea what is actually going on!”
He is entirely right because the Democrats have made conditions worse and uncertain. That type of uncertainty causes war.
Democrats are owned by the same owners of the GOP, therefore, they fear that if they impeach Trump, their owners won’t give them enough money to defeat their 2020 opponents – and getting re-elected is what they care about. Besides, they know that their owners actually prefer an authoritarian (dictator) leader. Democracy interferes with their agenda.
All majority members of the US House should be impeached for doing nothing that interests Americans, wasting taxpayers dollars and really bad theater
Hang Em High
The House of Representatives shall choose their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.
The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.
Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.
Whatever will the co-conspirators in the Obama Coup D’etat in America do as the noose tightens?
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LAURA INGRAHAM, FOX NEWS: Joining me now with reaction former U.S. Attorney Joe DiGenova, House Oversight Committee Ranking Member Jim Jordan and former Deputy Independent Counsel, Robert Ray, it doesn’t get better than this tonight.
Joe what does the impressive scope of this new probe initiated by Barr tell us tonight.
JOE DIGENOVA, FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY: James Comey, Brennan and Clapper have said to themselves which one of us is going to pay the Barr bill. The Barr bill is coming due. And Durham’s appointment means that the already occurred meetings between the Attorney General, the CIA Director and the Director of National Intelligence have now focused on a laser that the core of this conspiracy began with John Brennan and ends with John Brennan in London and D.C. and the Democratic National Committee.
This is very serious business and for the first time, I now believe that some of these guys are going to go to prison.
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Has Obama lawyered up yet?
democrats have an exceptional lack of vision- they’re like a 7th grader who keeps trying different roles/personas to fit in with his classmates-the victories in the house were by moderates trying to talk about the future, not by the #butthurt crowd talking about trump – democrats are missing a golden opportunity to shift to immigration reform, income inequality, etc. and away from the pipe dream of impeachment, which is simply not gonna happen no matter what anybody says-where is their vision for the future? its just more hate trump-they’re headed for a repeat of 2016 at the voting booth- democrat failures to condemn tlaib, omar, etc- and their elevation of ass clowns like cohen and wadler-render them litlle different than republicans and trump-i watch with amusement as they trot out creepy joe as someone who can create a future for america- his electoral track record is worse than dismal remember how dems did post acquittala,and adjust yourselves-i’m ready to move on to immigration reform and the future- dems would do well to do same
“I do not believe that the House leadership ever intended to allow an impeachment to move forward against Trump because it is not in their political interests.”
That is the case. But then why would you whip up the base with silliness about Russian collusion for 2 plus years when a reasonable person would know that this is an extremely lame McCarthyite move that would obviously backfire?
It’s political malfeasance.
Nancy Pelosi offers some impeachment options
That would be, get AG William Barr & Justice Brett Kavanaugh
Meanwhile 2020 Democratic Presidential candidates are increasingly unable to carry out their current day job obligations, duties & responsibilities. See following video for simulation.
Dilemma Highlights Flaws Of Fixed, 4 Year Terms
If the United States had a parliamentary system of government this would be a logical moment to hold new elections. Though an even more logical moment would have been when Trump sided with Putin on stage in Helsinki.
But the United States is stuck with this archaic system where impeachment is the only recourse to letting presidents serve out their 4 year terms. Consequently an impeachment drive at this point would unfold in almost the same time-frame as next year’s election.
As long as Republicans hold the Senate, and stay loyal to Trump, an impeachment drive right now would be an ultimately futile exercise.
I do believe, however, that Democrats should make every effort possible to get Trump’s tax returns released before next year’s presidential primaries. Trump’s base needs to see what his finances really look like.
Parliamentary systems present a legit alternative. The contrast is often interesting and informative to consider.
However, I think the country is so big that we might as well stick with 4 year terms. Elections are expensive and difficult on us all.
NB, statutory law in Britain has balloting every five years as the default setting. You really do not want the chief executive to chose when to face voters.
P. Shill, there have only been three or four Presidents in the last century who committed specific acts which might have merited impeachment. In two cases, their wrongdoing was carefully concealed and never subject to investigation by Congress or the media. A third resigned in lieu of facing an impeachment trial. The fourth faced trial and was not convicted.
Impeachment is not a process akin to parliamentary no-confidence. Parliamentary no-confidence is a feature of multi-party systems where coalition partners have a falling out over politics and policy. It’s an occasional feature of bipolar systems wherein the majority party is reliant on a small partner or has only a slim advantage. (As was the case in Britain from 1974 to 1979 and from 2017 to today).
You can also have circumstances when chief executives are forced from office due to the dynamics within a given parliamentary caucus. Margaret Thatcher’s departure in 1990 is a prominent example. John Gorton’s disappearance from Australian politics in 1971 is another.
Parliamentary systems have a number of deficiencies and we’d be better advised to devote our efforts to working out the kinks in our own system rather than adopting someone else’s kinks.
“Dilemma Highlights Flaws Of Fixed, 4 Year Terms”
A never ending litany of suggestions on top of a lot of whining for those who cannot accept Trump as President. Instead of moving on and doing what is good for the country and thereby gain respect all they do is try and make Trump look bad hurting the economy and foreign policy putting America in danger. The Democratic Party should be disbanded and reformed leaving out that type of individual.
Why?
Well, Jon, I saw you on Hannity last night, so there’s no longer any doubt about your objectivity. You went out of your way to praise Trump for not claiming executive privilege for the Mueller report, glossing over the issue of whether he could have validly asserted such privilege in the first place. You also claim that a Congressional committee would be forcing Barr to break the law by releasing the full Mueller report. However, Barr could agree to consent to release of the full report with a judge’s order, but he’s still trying to cover for Trump because we all know that the full report will just further hurt Trump. Now, you’re suggesting that Democrats were lying to the American people about impeaching Trump just to get elected. There are more than sufficient grounds to impeach.
A recent poll indicated 46% of Americans support impeachment. That’s not 50%, and if Trump will stop trying to hide his financial records, that number may well rise. However, there may not be sufficient time left to go all out on impeachment, and we all know what would happen in the Senate. Don the Con is right about being able to commit cold-blooded murder in front of witnesses and getting away with it with his loyal followers. However, MOST Americans do not, and never have, supported Trump.
It seems clear to me that you and Faux News are trying to goad Democrats into starting impeachment proceedings, and the likely reason is because you think it will help Trump politically. Americans don’t like impeachment proceedings, and Democrats may do so eventually, but posts like today’s aren’t going to get them to take the bait. They know what happened after Bill Clinton was impeached. Perhaps the most-effective strategy is to wait him out until 2020, but continue investigating, which is their Constitutional duty and what last fall’s mandate requires of them.
read this again NATCH
“Many members raised impeachment as the pitch for gaining control of the House and many are still pretending that they are actively working to that end, including a number of presidential candidates. That leaves a disturbing disconnect between what the members are saying among themselves and what they are telling the public. It also makes investigations looks like little more than “bread and circus” distractions.”
IE IT WAS ALWAYS A SHAM
All of this assumes that impeachment is the ONLY reason the House went Democratic in the largest turnover since Watergate. Impeachment absolutely is not the only, or even a main reason. MOST Americans did not vote for him, do not approve of him and want him gone. Trump said that the midterms were a referendum on him, and he lost. Badly. Trump would need to be investigated before he could be impeached. The Democrats are doing that.
” the House went Democratic in the largest turnover since Watergate”.
There was a gain of 41-42 seats for the Democrats in the 2018 mid-terms.
The Democrats lost about 54 seats in the 1994 mid-terms.
I think the Democrats lost even more than that in the 2010 mid- term…..I’d have to double-check, but I think the Democrats lost over 60 House seats in 2010.
Facts don’t mean a hell of a lot on this site to some people; others disagree and think that facts and accuracy are important.
I don’t want to interfere with Natacha’s fantasies or delusions……I would not even attempt to pry her away from whatever it is she “wants to believe” is true.
L4D says–Once again, Natacha is right. Timing is everything. If Trump were impeached before the Democrats gathered all of the evidence needed to make the strongest possible case against Trump, then that sort of hasty impeachment might benefit Trump’s re-election effort. But, if the Democrats take their time and do their due diligence with all deliberate speed, then the full measure of evidence might be brought to bear on Articles of Impeachment against Trump. And that would be detrimental, not only to Trump’s re-election bid, but also to the elect9oral prospects for each and every last Republican Senator who refused to Convict Trump at an Impeachment Trial on the strongest possible evidence against Trump. And that is why Turley is trying to taunt the Democrats into an overly hasty impeachment proceeding.
In the words of one of my favorite authors: What’s that ticking sound?
Impeach Trump for what? Winning his election fair and square? Bringing the economy back from the edge of an abyss? Bringing respect for the American Flag and Christmas back? Appointing constitution-upholding supreme court judges? Standing up for himself when no one else would during the biggest scandal in U.S. history trying to steal the election from him? SPYGATE. Restoring our military? I don’t think so. Impeach Trump for “beating the chosen one,Hillary” is the name of their game and they have no shame.
BOWT: you seriously need help. Trump cheated by providing Russians polling information in the key districts that swayed the election. That is the reason polls were wrong: because they didn’t take into account Russian interference using social media to spread lies about Hillary Clinton. They couldn’t have, because we didn’t know about it until it was too late. Trump won’t admit this truth that has been confirmed by every since American intelligence agency because that would be a tacit admission that he is not legitimate, but we all know it anyway. He won’t try to stop it. Providing polling information to a hostile foreign Communist country to be used to sway an election is enough, in and of itself, for impeachment. There is more than enough evidence to impeach, and a recent poll shows 46% of Americans support this. However, neither Trump nor Turley can try to force Democrats to do so until the time is right. The only reason they are pushing for this is because they think it will help Trump politically to cheat his way into a second term. The American people won’t have it.
Barak Obama is the POTUS who brought this country back from the edge of an abyss. Trump inherited a booming, robust economy. He didn’t create anything, but his tariffs amount to the largest tax increase in history, because American consumers will pay the 25% increase in the cost of goods imported from China. You can’t create respect for a flag, and especially yourself, when you are a lying, misogynist, xenophobic failure at business who cheats on his wives and taxes and whose Daddy bribed a doctor to fake up a military deferment. Where did Christmas go, anyway? I never knew it went anywhere.
Explain to me, exactly who, what, where, why and how anyone tried to “steal the election” from Fatso. Fatso didn’t “beat” anyone. Don the Con cheated, just like he always has all of his life in everything.
Trump cheated by providing Russians polling information in the key
Paul Manafort shared some internal polling with Ukranians he knew. And that’s a matter of absolutely no consequence. There’s an ocean of polling data available.
Your extreme personal animus and bias is noted
“Many members raised impeachment as the pitch for gaining control of the House and many are still pretending that they are actively working to that end, including a number of presidential candidates. That leaves a disturbing disconnect between what the members are saying among themselves and what they are telling the public. It also makes investigations looks like little more than “bread and circus” distractions.”
DEMOCRAT LEADERSHIP TRICKED THE BASE INTO VOTING FOR THEM IN THE ELECTION BASED ON ILLUSORY PROMISE OF IMPEACHMENT. SAD!
Mr. Kurtz: you are the one with blinders on to the truth and with personal hatred of Democrats. OK. Just HOW MANY candidates raised impeachment during their campaigns? Do you know, can you cite figures? Was impeachment of Trump the only issue? To what extent did impeachment influence voters, versus absolute disgust with the filth that occupies the Oval Office? Would those voters have voted Democratic but for the matter of impeachment being raised? Did any of the candidates PROMISE to impeach? I submit that the facts prove that most Americans did not vote for him, do not approve of him and want him gone. I also submit that you and most Trumpsters will take any opportunity to accuse Democrats of dishonesty, which is ironic considering the fact that Trump is a proven pathological liar.
Yes, I find Trump and everything he stands for to be repulsive, and that is not based on bias, but rather, on patriotism and respect for American values of which represents the antithesis, beginning with cheating by colluding with a Communist dictator. Most patriotic Americans I know feel the same way, for the same reasons, and many of them are Republicans.
Wrong! I don’t hate Democrats, mostly just the Democrats who are elected federal and top tier state elected and appointed officials! I like most “Democrats” I meet in day to day life
I also don’t “hate” Pelosi, she is a capable leader who cunningly sheperds her pack of wild dogs into a containment facility where y’all can only make so much trouble! For example by quashing this impeachment tomfoolery. Great job Nancy!
She is a smart, rich, attractive woman with a very ample bosom. So she has a lot going for her. And she’s Italian! Look, God is not fair with his gifts. Don’t be jealous, ok?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/05/03/why-dont-americans-want-impeach-trump/
There’s also “a recent poll” showing that 29% support impeachment. Whether it’s 29% or 46%, it’s not enough to actually move on impeachment and the Democratic leadership knows that.
If they ever do determine that “the time is right”, it’ll be for use as an “insurance policy” if Trump is re-elected.
And if that happens, Natacha and others had better start thinking up a new set of excuses to come up with for another 4 years. The ones that have been recycled for the past 2 1/2 years are getting a bit stale.
Well, why don’t you contact Putin and find out from him what their latest moves will be, because that was the determining factor in 2016. It’s not a set of excuses or a stale argument to point to the findings of American Intelligence that Russia interfered in our elections and that Trump won’t admit this, much less do anything to stop it from happening in the future.
https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/putin-angrily-resigns-from-trumps-reelection-campaign
Natacha, you need to catch up on the news.
When liberals drink the Koolaid provided by the Dems, all they have left is name calling like Fatso. Grow up girl.
I will start a club.
OLD FAT WHITE DUDES WITH COMBOVERS FOR TRUMP!
Maybe I’m one too? And trust me we can get our backsides off the couch and vote on election day like other segment of the “demographic.” Keep on with the insults, Natch, they help very much!
Your hero Obama said there’s no way any country can interfere with our elections. Believe your hero and not PMSNBC
Russia has not been ruled by a Communist since the 1990s. The Communist Party might have a c.10% minority of seats in the Russian Duma.
Repeating that Russia is a Communist country a few dozen times does not make it any truer.
But if it works for Natcookoo, and with the support of L4B, I think they should both continue pushing their coven’s agenda.
Over the last 25 years, you’ve had a Party of Incumbents of varying dispositions whose base of support has bounced around 55% of the vote. The remainder’s been about equally divided between Soviet nostalgiacs, Russian nationalists, and the occidental spectrum. The Communist Party captures all of the ‘Sovok’ vote. The Russian nationalists are split between the Zhirinovsky fan club and the non-personalist Rodina, The occidental spectrum is split between Yabloko (the social-liberal party) and an inchoate social democratic party. A great many Russian nationalists are screwballs and not to be trusted.
Prior to 2000, the Party of Incumbents had a roughly social-liberal disposition. Now it’s mercantilist / statist / authoritarian. Putin is, by all appearances, a stone-cold Machiavellian. Putin’s nationalism is more circumspect, less revanchist, and more given to balancing ends and means than is what’s traded in by the Russian nationalist parties. The institutional development of Russia is influenced by it’s Soviet past, but Marxism doesn’t animate public life.
read “Fourth Political Theory” by Aleksandr Dugin. You might consider him a kook of course, but it’s a fast read and helps to understand the Putin thinking.
As one writer put it, the Democratic party is the jab to the Republican party’s right hook. Both pummel the populace, the interests of whom, studies have shown, are not represented at all by either of these retainers of the ruling class. Both parties are committed to taking care of the interests of their wealthy donors, the military-industrial complex, imperialism, corporate power, the rich, and so forth, which seeks, consciously and unconsciously, to strip the public of its assets down to the bone and make a mockery of democracy through the skillful channeling of money, permanent war, and continuing domination of the planet by military means, even at the cost of nuclear catastrophe and climate chaos. The desire for power, and sheer vanity, is thick with some types, and the majority is the victim (politics in a nutshell).
At any rate, the only functional material difference between the Republicans and Democrats is that the Democrats are compromised because they need to appear as if they represent the People. But even this pretense is lately being dropped, notwithstanding Ocasio-Cortez, Sanders, et al., who are valiant in their way but are effectively fig leafs to lull those who would consider themselves on the left side of the political spectrum to sleep (and even they can’t be counted on to advance policies that are more than token gestures, or to defend democratic rights). Nancy Pelosi in particular is the flagship personage on the “left” side of this anti-democratic enterprise. She will never, under any circumstances, take a stand on constitutional principle. She didn’t do it against Bush, so it is not news that she is not doing it now. This is par for the course. She’s a politician in the worst sense of that term.
I do not think, however, that any further political energy should be wasted on the issue of impeachment. There may be legitimate grounds for pursuing it but the whole project has been so hopelessly poisoned by the obsession with Russia on the part of the anti-Trump faction of the political establishment, and the fundamentally empty investigation which this obsession led to, not to mention the cynicism around the impeachment issue that Democratic party politicians are displaying, which Turley outlines here, that the idea should just be dropped (though of course it won’t be).
The most interesting candidates to watch now, and the ones most likely to extend the impoverished political horizon within the United States, are Mike Gravel and Tulsi Gabbard. Watch them, and don’t watch what the media says about them, because it won’t be accurate.
“The most interesting candidates to watch now” are Trump, Trump and Trump. He is changing the landscape for the better. He is not a perfect man but he has visons outside of political ones. That along with what appear to be excellent gut feelings have helped him put the US back on a correct course. We see that every day in our economy and we are starting to recognize the danger of an oversized government with an oversized bureaucracy that is hidden from public view.
i support Trump but I recommend watching the Dem primary closely. it’s a very important contest for all of us, Republicans included. Think of the nation as a family with factions.
Check out Andrew Yang who is voicing concerns over major job dislocations imminent on the horizon due to advancing AI technology.
Check out Tulsi Gabbard a critic of interventionist foreign policy, needless wars in the middle east, and an advocate of legalizing victim-less sex work and marijuana use.
Kurtz: We have to move more responsibility to the states and local governments. They need to make these types of decisions. If their decision is wrong they will more quickly figure it out the right path or lose industry and citizens. The costs will be paid by those advocating certain policies.
Marijuana and drugs: That is a difficult question with so many entitlements. I don’t feel like paying for your bad habits.
Sex workers: No problem because they will always exist in one form or another. It’s easier to control the problems that surround sex workers if sex work is legal.
AI Technology: Blown up and made more difficult to manage again because of entitlements.
Interventionist Foreign Policy: Speak softly and carry a big stick. Be prepared to use it. Other nations have ambitions that include things that hurt our nation so we have to be prepared to fight but if you are big enough and appear tough enough no one will want to pick that fight.
Solid instincts Allan. Of course the lazy parasites will always find a drug to be their soma as they lay about and draw of the public teat. I just don’t believe in giving them three hots and a cot in jail for free, just because they have smoked and been caught with the wacky weed. Incarceration’s even more expensive.
Always a quandry on how to contain the lower element of society, and pay for it.
“He who does not work, neither shall he eat”
A simple solution stated by:
Paul
Smith (John)
Lenin
This aphorism seems to appeal to a wide segment of our society that exist on both sides of the aisle.
If Democratic leaders can lie to their constituents about things that are important to them like ObamaCare they can certainly lie about small things like impeaching a President. The news media will follow along and those Democrats that can’t read between the lines will continue to spout whatever they are told by the Washington Post.
Street-level Democrats fancy Trump merits impeachment because he violated the elaborate (and fundamentally dishonest) set of p’s and q’s maintained by progtrash elements in the media, academe, and public office. He not only violated them, he did so and prospered. This threatens their control over public discussion and over what sort of proposals might be made, because Republican pols just might take the hint and quit deferring to them.
Did you catch what happened to those scandals in Virginia once it became clear that insisting on self-immolation by Gov. Northam would be severely inconvenient to the Democratic Party? The media just abandoned the story and that was the end of it. It’s another piece of evidence, in case we needed one, that such controversies are actually co-operative efforts between Democratic PR operatives on the one hand and reporters and editors on the other, artificial and contrived. It’s time to start treating the press with utter contempt. They have no integrity.
No, TAB, MOST Americans, according to polls, do not support Trump because he is unfit for office, he cheated by conspiring with a Communist government by providing polling information that was used in a social media disinformation campaign. Trump is not “prospering”. He has set a record for presidential disapproval ratings in the history of presidential polling. He lied about forcing Mexico to pay for a wall, and now, he is about to trash the economy Barak Obama rescued with his stupid tariffs that we consumers get to pay for.
You need to stop watching Faux News.
Trump’s in office and you’re preferred grifters aren’t. That’s enough prosperity for me.
huh? Russians aren’t communists if that’s whom you’re referring to. And the Chinese PRC government which is definitely communist usually supports DEMOCRATS
“Faux” news went out with disco music. And learn how to spell your hero’s name. Barack. Not Barak. You must be a millenial. No one listens to millenials.
i question the extent to which street level Democrats believe the ridiculous social agenda they verbally espouse in the first place. MOstly they just let “activists” run their mouths and don’t really agree with them inside their own minds and hearts
Which is why DJT can flout the nonsense in the first place
You should see what’s coming over our Facebook wall. Street-level Democrats do believe this crud. The ones who don’t are not the sort who pay much attention to public affairs.
I don’t use Facebook so I guess I am not with it.
I hate the Zuck and despise his idiotic application.
“That leaves a disturbing disconnect between what the members are saying among themselves and what they are telling the public.”
Jonathan, are you suggesting politicians lie to get voted into office? I never would have thought.
Fem Dems. That is a good term for Pelotzi and the rest. It is not fair to call her a WOP. But that I mean it is not fair to WOPs.
If you impeach you must do it at the beach. Mar A Lago would be a good place.
Kabuki theater
The Dems are hypocrites. Watching Richard Blumenthal, Schiff, Waters, Pelosi, Swalwell, Schumer and many others so publicly lie over the last few years illustrates their lack of moral integrity and their unbridled desire for power . They aggressively pursued opportunities to smear Republicans/this administration with Democrat lies about traitorous actions. Sadly, the Press – and the names are too numerous to even list! – has been a mouthpiece for these lies and like Orwell’s 1984 has blasted the airways, so that too many Americans believe the lies. The Dems and the Press have shown Orwell to be so right about his Telescreen and the Dems Newspeak. And I think they will win in 2020, just re-inforcing their corrupt behavior .
It’s a great distraction. Few politicians are talking about the debt and deficits that our children are inheriting. Where are the 2020 candidates on our greatest danger of debt and deficits during a good economy? A baby born today is already born into massive debt.
Ashcroft’s Z.,
That would be the silver lining in the era of this 24/7/365 cycle of Special Counsel, Congressional Committees, non-stop speculative reporting, etc.
Helps keep our minds off that “unpleasant stuff” you mentioned that nobody really wants to talk about.😉
In the nearly hourlong, closed-door session heavily focused on health care, [n]ot a single lawmaker in the room protested [the heavy focus on health care].
And I’m sure that the comments for public consumption about impeachable offenses or “possible impeachable offenses” will be just as muted from all of those Representatives going forward😄😂🤣
That would mean, among other things, having to cancel the Adam Schiff TV Series.
Addressing the unfair trade situation that has resulted in deindustrialization, over-financialization, and massive trade imbalances; facilitated in part by the massive federal debt– is at the top of Donald J Trump’s agenda and focus and attention. You may thank him for this, as I do.
The deindustrialization and unfair trade picture are a bigger long term threat to prosperity than the current level of debt. It’s a viscious cycle to some degree.
Check out Yanis Vafourakis book “Global Minoataur”
L4D says–Turley mangled the quotations he cited from the article to which he linked. Turley wrote:
Pelosi said that they will not initiate impeachment proceedings. Period. Not a single member voiced a dissenting view. She even spoke in the voice of their voters and said that they have to be shown other things that they can do: “Why aren’t we impeaching the president? Why aren’t we impeaching him? They get a little down.”
Now go read the article to which Turley linked. Pelosi is speaking in the voice of her members in the Democratic caucus when she makes the statements that Turley misattributes to “their voters”: “Why aren’t we impeaching the president? Why aren’t we impeaching him? They get a little down.”
Either Turley knows that he’s mangling Pelosi’s remarks or Turley doesn’t know that he’s mangling Pelosi’s remarks. Either way, Turley is mangling Pelosi’s remarks.
L4D says–the critical passage that Turley is mangling excerpted from the article to which Turley linked:
In the nearly hourlong, closed-door session heavily focused on health care, Pelosi was the only one to bring up impeachment, acknowledging that some Democrats are complaining.
“Why aren’t we impeaching the president?” she said, parroting their words. “Why aren’t we impeaching him? They get a little down,” she said of frustrated members of her party.
“The point is that we need to show (voters) that we are doing all of these other things that they care about so much,” Pelosi said. Not a single lawmaker in the room protested.
L4D says–Here’s a reminder of what Turley wrote:
“Pelosi said that they will not initiate impeachment proceedings. Period. Not a single member voiced a dissenting view.”
There is nothing in the article that Turley cited to warrant either of the statements that Turley misattributes to the article that Turley cited.
L4D says–the following is a much more faithful rendition of Pelosi’s remarks than Turley’s mangled garbling:
Pelosi was the only one to bring up impeachment, acknowledging that some Democrats are complaining. “Why aren’t we impeaching the president? They get a little down,” she said of frustrated members of her party. Not a single lawmaker in the room protested, in the nearly hourlong, closed-door session heavily focused on health care, “to show (voters) that we are doing all of these other things that they care about so much,” Pelosi said.
Here’s a few key phrases from the rticle that Turley cited and to which Turley linked:
[S]ome Democrats are complaining . . . [and are] . . . frustrated members of her [Pelosi’s] party [The Democrats]. Not a single lawmaker in the room protested . . . [the] . . . session heavily focused on health care . . . ”
How could Turley NOT know that he is mangling and garbling Pelosi’s remarks as well as the context in which Pelosi’s remarks were reported in the article to which Turley linked and from which Turley mined those quotes while taking them way far out of context?
This the exact sort of thing that Putin’s professional propagandists do for a living every day now.
WAY TO GO NANCY!
AWESOME EXECUTION OF THE OLD “BAIT AND SWITCH”
THE PRETTY FACE CONCEALS A CUNNING MIND,
AND BENEATH THE AMPLE BOSOM BEATS A HEART MADE OF ICE!
Thank God for Democrats like Nancy to contain the nutjob factions.
Beneath the “pretty face” is botulinum toxin that destroys economies and kills people.
This column does in fact give an accurate summary of the media-reported proceedings of the closed-door caucus.
If L4B wants to continue writing reviews of these JT columns where she mangles what the columns actually say, she is certainly been given the leeway to do so.
should be “she has certainly been given the leeway to do so”.
L4D says–Turley’s summary of the article at issue is an even worse mangling garble than AG Whitewash Barr’s mangled garbling of The Mueller Report. That simply cannot be a koinkidenke.
I’m a big believer in actions over words. I also believe the Dems are as rudderless as a leaf in a whirlpool.
Mespo,
The game plan seems clear; send signals that Trump “did (or might have) committed impeachable offenses”, but no actual movement in that direction.
The statements from Representatives like Schiff, Tlaib, Nadler, Pelosi herself, and others vs. any genuine effort to impeach have shown that the political calculation is that “impeachment talk” is a winner, actual impeachment is too risky.
That part is of this circus is hard to miss. A more interesting question to me is if that same campaign strategy will be employed non- stop into November 2020, or if they’ll only milk it another c.6-12 months, then back off of the “talk” as well.
They are so transparently absurd. They’ll get the same election results.
Mespo,
I think that’s anybody’s guess, how this will play out at the polls. And if the Democrats decide to scale back the impeachment “talk”, or risk beating that dead horse for the full remaining 18 months of the campaign.
There was an “insurance policy” in place in 2016 in the unlikely event that Trump won.
His odds of winning going into 2020 appear to be far stronger than they appeared on the eve of the 2016 election.
My guess is that if there is to be a real effort to impeach Trump, it’ll surface if he’s re-elected. It’s being kept as “an insurance policy”.
Trump’s having trouble connecting with the small population of ‘swing voters’. Those I know personally blame him for being ‘divisive’ (a vacuous complaint; recall what James Neuchterlein once said about swing voters: they’re seldom well-informed and usually the type who vote against someone because, ‘She reminds me of my first wife” or some such).
The thing is, politicians often fare better as ghostly figures on pollster’s lists than they do as flesh-and-blood candidates. (See Gary Hart for a pol continually bedeviled in this way). Trump may do better when the choice isn’t idle or hypothetical anymore.
They’re never going to have the supermajority necessary to toss him out of office. Some of the dirty tricks have been egregious enough to bother Susan Collins, much less a mainstream Republican legislator. For all that the Republican congressional caucus is a disappointment, the Kristol / French / Sykes / Frum coterie remains that: a tendency which subsists on the patronage of liberal media outlets and donors and has little popular resonance.
well said. – Kurtz
right Tom it might play out well or maybe not, who knows. work for the result until the very end
Mr. Kurtz,
One thing that went out the window in 2016 was predictability.
Even the most experienced, knowledgeable people, with outstanding track records in that area, ended up with egg on their face.
But I’m going to go out on a limb here and predict, on record, that there will be an election in November 2020.🤔
Oh they do well enough electorally, even though they behave like swine. If we had a healthy political culture, the Democratic Party today would be in about the same condition electorally as is the Israel Labor Party and the French Socialist Party – wondering whether they’ll be a modest sect going forward or headed for dissolution. We have a very diseased political culture, and we have such a culture as we are facing the uncertainties generated by China’s advancement in the world (and Western Europe’s self-immolation).
L4D says–Trump will be made to beg to be impeached.
Given L4B’s track record in predictions, that comment should be taken as an encouraging sign for Trump.
the little stem on the leaf is supposed to be the rudder. lol