When an Ambassador calls you “inept,” “insecure,” and “incompetent,” one would think that you would take efforts to respond in a way that showed you are professional, controlled, and dispassionate. Yet, after the secret communications of Britain’s ambassador to the US, Kim Darroch, were leaked, Trump went on the attack and declared that Darroch is a “a very stupid guy” and a “pompous fool.” Moreover, he declared that, because he insulted Trump, no one in the Administration would deal with the representative of one of our oldest and closest allies. It is important to note that Darroch is not only widely respected throughout the world as a diplomat but never intended for these comments to be made public. He was sharing his unvarnished views with his government — something that all ambassadors are expected to do. Update: Darroch has now resigned.
Whoever leaked these communications not only wanted to kneecap Darroch but play Trump. He responded in signature fashion, returning to the issue time and time again. He responded on Twitter by declaring “We will no longer deal with him”. The next day, he continued the attack on Darroch: “The wacky Ambassador that the UK foisted upon the United States is not someone we are thrilled with, a very stupid guy … I don’t know the Ambassador but have been told he is a pompous fool.”
Obviously, Darroch would have had to be replaced given the broken relationship regardless. (He was already scheduled to leave around October). The question is whether he will be given an early replacement under the new Prime Minister. Nevertheless, the damage was already done.
Trump could have shrugged off the controversy while privately demanding an expedited replacement. It is a mystery to me why Trump wants to fulfill the stereotype of his critics with such responses.
The most fascinating question however remains: who most wanted to cause this rift with England?
Too bad more can’t express their true sentiments and continue craven hypocrisy- for which we all suffer.
The Times shows us how broken our world “thinking” is
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-times-view-on-trump-s-attacks-theresa-may-and-sir-kim-darroch-stand-by-your-man-rltm2srx3
The Times view on Trump’s attacks Theresa May and Sir Kim Darroch: Stand By Your Man”
This is an unacceptable way to treat an ally which no British prime minister should tolerate
So much for actions have consequences. Darroch apparently was right to say the things he did about the UK’s most important ally, the USA, but Trump’s reaction was “unacceptable”.
Par for the course for our rotten culture.
Popes John Paul II, Benedict XVI and Francis have been declaring for decades that Europe and our Western Civilization is in a state of free-fall. The dearth of Intellectual discourse and paucity of personal introspection, along with an unabashed satiation of various appetites all have been at full throttle. These are all unsustainable. With the recent news that the US Deficit now > 90% of GDP, anyone thinking the government and elected representatives are here to save them (from themselves) deserves everything coming to them
Few are going to win in this journey of life.
<emTrump has presided over a ballooning deficit that’s on pace to be some 25 percent higher than when he took office. This is happening at a time when the budget deficit is widening and the country’s public debt is well on its way to exceeding 90 percent of GDP.
Sadly, the Trump administration seems unfazed by the country’s deteriorating long-run financial position. It shows no indication of correcting policy course to put the economy on a sounder long-run economic footing. This makes it all too likely that the country’s incipient twin deficit problem will only worsen in the remaining 18 months of Trump’s first term. That in turn will further mortgage the country’s economic future and diminish the U.S. dollar’s attractiveness as an international reserve currency.
https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/452045-make-americas-deficits-great-again
Of course, the real reason that Ambassador Darroch and other UK insiders are upset with President Trump is that the President has asked the DOJ to look into the UK’s interference in the 2016 election, in the real collusion story (as documented by George Papadopoulos) that the mainstream media is attempting to sweep under the rug. https://twitter.com/GeorgePapa19/status/1147665602468704258
Keep the dream alive.
Turley claims: “It is a mystery to me by Trump wants to fulfill the stereotype of his critics”. That’s not what “stereotype” means, Jon. Trump fulfilled his typology of a narcissistic, immature, inept and insecure bully, which is what he is. He was stunned by the Ambassador’s comments about him that Hannity and Rush couldn’t spin. The Ambassador got it right, and most Americans agree with him.
BTW, Allan: what exactly and specifically did Trump personally do that entitles him to take credit for the economy?
Trump fulfilled his typology of a narcissistic, immature, inept and insecure bully, which is what he is.
Trolling for dollar$ must be very lucrative given Trump is headed for a second presidential term.
😉
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/452422-pelosi-scolds-democrats-for-public-barbs
Pelosi scolds Democrats for public barbs
Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Democratic leaders on Wednesday scolded Democrats for publicly taking shots at each other and pleaded for unity as they head into key debates in the coming weeks.
“You got a complaint? You come and talk to me about it. But do not tweet about our members and expect us to think that that is just OK,” Pelosi told Democrats in a closed-door caucus meeting Wednesday, according to a source in the room.
Pelosi warned that Democratic infighting plays into GOP hands and defended the moderates in the caucus.
“I’m here to help the children when it’s easy and when it’s hard. Some of you are here to make a beautiful pâté but we’re making sausage most of the time,” Pelosi said. “Without that unity, we are playing completely into the hands of the other people.”
Pelosi also forcefully defended the centrists in the caucus and said it’s better for Democrats to criticize her than attack the most vulnerable members publicly.
“I hope there will be some level of respect and sensitivity for our — each individual experience that we bring to this Caucus,” Pelosi said. “You make me the target, but don’t make our Blue Dogs and our New Dems the target in all of this because we have important fish to fry,” Pelosi said.
“It was a very stern and forceful speech,” said a senior Democratic aide in the room.
Pelosi also told the assembled Democrats that if they, or a member of their staff, had thoughts to attack another lawmaker on social media they should “think twice,” according to the senior aide.
“Actually, don’t think twice; think once,” Pelosi said.
TURLEY COMMENTERS IGNORE ‘FASCINATING QUESTION’
Professor Turley closes his column with this intriguing sign-off: “The most fascinating question however remains: who most wanted to cause this rift with England?”
Yet at this point, about 1:00 EDT, not one commenter has addressed this question. Therefore I will right here:
RUSSIA WOULD LIKE TO DRIVE A WEDGE BETWEEN U.S. AND BRITAIN
Russian has wanted cause a rift between the U S and England since the end of W W II. Causing such a rift is the logical Step # 1 in breaking up the western alliance. And not so coincidentally, Trump himself has been threatening said alliance since the day he took office. Which is ‘funny’ because Russian meddlers wanted Trump elected.
And now we have Trump making bellicose noises to the effect that he’s chilling on England. Trump being Trump doesn’t realize he’s been played. ..Or does he..??
TURLEY COMMENTERS IGNORE ‘FASCINATING QUESTION’
Still struggling with your reading comprehension, hey Shill? I posted a comment regarding that question long before you haphazardly posted your tripe.
July 10, 2019 at 9:52 AM
Olly, my comprehension is fine. Nowhere did you answer that question.
my comprehension is fine. Nowhere did you answer that question.
Let’s go to the wayback machine and see just how egregious your lying has become.
Shill: Yet at this point, about 1:00 EDT, not one commenter has addressed this question.
OLLY: July 10, 2019 at 9:52 AM
The most fascinating question however remains: who most wanted to cause this rift with England?
You assume the motive was to cause a rift with England. Perhaps the motive was to expose Darroch as a pompous fool who is not as respected as you may have been led to believe. Perhaps the motive was simply to remove an ambassador that had become self-serving. Regardless, he’s gone and President Trump isn’t.
So yes you dolt, I addressed that question well before you lied through your keyboard.
Olly, this doltish appearance of Peter Hill is not new nor do I expect him to remedy it. He has let his ideology take over his brain if it ever was a significant part of his being. Think of him as one of the Pod People.
Allan,
Once again he’s caught in a blatant and easily provable lie. Instead of admitting his error, he picks up his shovel and keeps digging. He’s a classic Lefty serving up lies and when confronted, deflecting blame to those calling him on his BS.
Olly, you have no ‘who’ there. All you’re really giving is a Trump-friendly spin.
you have no ‘who’ there. All you’re really giving is a Trump-friendly spin.
Translation: Olly, alright, you caught me lying but I lied because I didn’t like your comment. If I replied to your comment it would bring attention to an alternative reason that doesn’t reflect negatively on President Trump. I decided it was better to pretend that it was me who first thought of addressing it. Then being the attention whore that I am, everyone would reply to my ravings rather than your reasonable explanation.
You’re welcome!
Olly, you never had a ‘who’..?? And your comment probably represented no original thought on your part. It was more than likely based on something you saw or read in rightwing media. What’s more, your sour apple tone succinctly captures the essence of Trumpers.
“I have met [President Donald Trump] seven or eight times and always found him to be absolutely charming, What I find about [his] administration is that they are mostly anglophiles and always good at hearing contrary opinions.”–Ambassador Kim Darroch.https://www.ft.com/content/59f1f874-d226-11e8-a9f2-7574db66bcd5
The President should have required the Ambassador to leave at once, and publicly announced his departure. He should also investigate the leak, which was clearly meant to embarrass our country. He should not have publicly insulted Darroch, but rather said that his services were no longer acceptable. The United States requires a more diplomatic ambassador, better able to deal respectfully with the Administration. That’s it. No further comment.
The UK also handled this poorly. If we are such an important ally, one wonders why they made zero effort to remedy the insult or go after the leak.
The most fascinating question however remains: who most wanted to cause this rift with England?
You assume the motive was to cause a rift with England. Perhaps the motive was to expose Darroch as a pompous fool who is not as respected as you may have been led to believe. Perhaps the motive was simply to remove an ambassador that had become self-serving. Regardless, he’s gone and President Trump isn’t.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-ukraine-tape/leaked-audio-reveals-embarrassing-u-s-exchange-on-ukraine-eu-idUSBREA1601G20140207
Olly,
This flap reminded me of the published audio where a senior State Dept. official said “F*** the EU”.
My guess🤔 is that she didn’t want those comments published😏. I think she remained in her high-level State Dept. job through the end of the Obama Administration a few years later, so there was no “job loss” in her case.
Is there any evidence that Darroch was anything but a capable, respected diplomat?
Is there any evidence that Darroch was anything but a capable, respected diplomat?
You mean other than his knucklehead comments regarding President Trump? Apparently he was incapable of knowing just who in his trusted circle didn’t respect him enough to keep his comments from being leaked to the public. So there’s that.
This is related to the Epstein arrest. One of the people who was a VERY frequent guest at Epstein’s island is Prince Andrew. He is one of the other targets of the Epstein investigation. Now when the US asks to talk to Andrew the British press will say it is payback for the ambassador talking bad about Trump and Trump paying it back by smearing one of the royal family. The Brits would sacrifice the career of one nearing the end of the road diplomat to save face for the royal family.
In re Prince Andrew, I’m not seeing accounts that say he was a ‘VERY frequent’ guest, merely that there’s a photograph of him taken there.
My guess would be that Sir Humphrey was just owned by Sir Frank. Someone back home wanted him out of the way. Because Sir Humphrey’s retirement age, one suspects Sir Frank did not feel too guilty about the career damage inflicted on him.
President Trump’s response should have been no surprise to anyone. If the goal was to embarrass President Trump and not Darroch, then I suspect they would have found an anonymous means to leak it. Someone wanted to expose Darroch, not Trump. At least they didn’t go all Benghazi on him.
Yes, Minister/i>?
Another term for a long-serving political appointee is “the establishment.”
I find it telling that the UK made no effort to smooth over the insult. Imagine were this reversed, and leaked unguarded comments were released about the Queen.
Regardless of whether UK government adores Trump or likes him personally, they are supposed to be capable of maintaining a good working relationship with an ally like the US. If anyone could smooth over a faux pas, it should have been England. Apparently not.
Theresa May is leaving office in less than 10 days. The Conservative Party is still sorting out who her successor will be.
Well, that’s true, but I found the official stated position in support of the ambassador rather curt.
“If anyone could smooth over a faux pas, it should have been England. Apparently not.”
And how exactly would they have done this?
If nothing else, this hack has shown that he lacks diplomatic skills! Time to recall and reassign him to a post in Botswana.
“Managed to send Allan down the garden path.”
Yes David, sometimes I act as a vegetable gardener. When the brains are gone people are nothing more than vegetables to be tended to. Unfortunately it seems you are one of the vegetables.
BEA = U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis
David you are culturing the wrong areas. I hope you are not becoming a doddering old fool.
Update: Darroch has now resigned.
Pffft. Cause & effect. This really isn’t hard to understand. Reason dating back to 17th Century showed us the effects of all actions, something the Left refuses to accept
Actioni contrariam semper & æqualem esse reactionem: sive corporum duo- rum actiones in se mutuo semper esse æquales & in partes contrarias dirigi.
translation: To an action there is always an equal and contrary reaction : or the actions of two bodies
between themselves are always mutually equal and directed in opposite direction
– Isaac Newton in Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica, 1687
http://17centurymaths.com/contents/newton/defs%20axioms.pdf
No doubt CNN will be hiring him since he holds a Bachelor Degree in Zoology, and pigs attract hogs.
Sir Isaac Newton’s Laws of Motions are still true today
Satisfied?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/10/kim-darroch-resigns-as-uk-ambassador-to-us-after-leaked-trump-comment
Guy is 65 years old. Can’t really touch him at this point.
It is important to note that Darroch is not only widely respected throughout the world as a diplomat but never intended for these comments to be made public.
‘Widely respected’ by whom? Other paper pushers?
The substance of Darroch’s comments as reported is the same as it would be were Darroch simply summarizing newspaper articles.
You seem to fancy people should respond to rubbish from establishmentarians by behaving as if these establishmentarians were respectable and valued individuals. Sometimes they are and sometimes they’re not.
And it should bother you that a foreign ambassador is lobbing witless insults at the President of the United States. Of course, you side with the ambassador. Academics are all alike.
X9…. couldn’t agree more with you. This guy is one of the “elites” who are a big part of the world problems. Probably safe to say he hasn’t had a real job his whole life other than hanging out with other elites all over the world.
What a fool. TIA thinks a career diplomat assigned to the most important country in the world will be as lame as he is and that he should not speak the truth to his employers.
Of course, what else are Trumpsters going to say?
Actually, I think a career diplomat well paid and with lots of career accolades should be able to offer some perspicacity in his memoranda. What he had to say was jejune. How much there is really there?
Of course, what else are Trumpsters going to say?
Is your loaded cement laden milkshake registered with your local LEA?
Anon, the Ambassador was superficial in his comments much like you are. That means for all practical purposes aside from occupying a seat behind a door saying ambassador he was worthless. Through his own stupidity or the stupidity of others his lame thoughts were revealed in the press. That means he has to go and he is now gone. Not a big deal and not worthy of the attention he is getting on this site.
Wrong, Tabby..!!!
Darroch is ‘not’ lobbing witless insults at Trump. Darroch is speaking candidly (with presumed privacy) to his superiors in London. Big, big difference, Tabby. And I’m surprised you can’t make the distinction. One expects more from smarmy know-it-alls.
Actually, Darroch is recycling the kultursmog, which is what you do.
Send the diplomat to LA, California. It is a sanctuary city.
“ It is a mystery to me by [sic] Trump wants to fulfill the stereotype of his critics with such responses.”
No mystery. Trump is what Trump does. The only mystery is why you are still mystified.
“Trump could have shrugged off the controversy while privately demanding an expedited replacement. It is a mystery to me by Trump wants to fulfill the stereotype of his critics with such responses.”
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It’s a mystery to me why anyone would give two good damns about his critics or what they think. A leader should lead and care more about the country as a whole and his supporters rather than some snob Brit ambassador and the chorus of US media haters who can’t control this POTUS. Trump is a strong leader with no strings attached to the DC power structure. That both offends and frightens them. About time.
You are a Trumpist. There is no turning back for you. If he ultimately goes down, you go with him. There will be no disavowal; your fate is tied to his. Remember that.
So says Silberman who can’t defend his comments.
I have no doubt that Mespo will be loyal to Trump and defend him to the bitter end. Even if Trump ends up in prison, his die-hard supporters will never give up the lost cause. There are those who still think Nixon was innocent of all wrongdoing- “when the President does it, it is not illegal…” We shall see how many will attempt to distance themselves from Trumpism when he is out of power. Mespo strikes me as a dead-ender. My guess is he will never admit he was mistaken, for it is a display of weakness.
My guess is he will never admit he was mistaken, for it is a display of weakness.
Luckily for Mespo he is not within reach of your milkshake arm throwing capability. Question remains: will you stalk him and his family at restaurants ala Stephanie “Red Hen Restaurant” Wilkinson and terrorists Antifa?
When logic and reason do not support your arguments, ridicule and threatening bodily harm work just dandy.
Saul Alinsky send his best
I assume with manifest good reason that any liquid thrown on
me without provocation by an adult who is a stranger to me is intended to cause me serious bodily injury and will act accordingly.
Always the tough guy, at least this time, you didn’t mention guns.
Best to keep your enemies wondering.
JS:
Like the Duke, I see you as a picnicker.
You’re like the guy who enters the play at Act III and thinks the play started then. I support the POTUS. Did it with Obama and doing it with Trump. POTUS is the only constitutional officer who is charged with representing and defending our interests abroad. That’s why the office deserves respect.
I passionately opposed Obama for meddling with my healthcare, as I’ve mentioned ad infinitum. However, it pained me to see him bow before heads of state, such as the Japanese and Saudis. As our President, he deserved respect. Although I disagreed with him, I didn’t want him to lose face, because he represented our entire country.
It doesn’t matter if we agree or disagree with a President. He represents our country to foreign interests. We Americans can bitterly criticize our own leaders, but other nations had better not cross the line in their remarks. Kind of like family.
Trump is leading you to Trump worship. Nothing else guides him unless it is owing or making money. Are you unable to see what couldn’t be more clear? Do you have some other explanation for his constant false bragging and complete disregard for facts and the truth? If that behavior does not offend you, that is cause for fright.
Anon1 — Let’s ask you the same question: Are you unable to see what couldn’t be more clear?
Anon1 — Let’s ask you: Do you have some explanation for the complete disregard for the facts and the truth by most of the Democrat party and its leadership today? Do you actually believe “the media” and the “free press” and the “pundits” tell you “the truth” all the time? How about the behavior of the MSM and the Democrats over the past 2+ years? If THAT does not offend you, THAT is cause for fright.
How about sports? We have Pro athletes who are now using sports games and their “wins” not to unify the country, but rather to politicize and divide the country because they are all now “activist athletes” who don’t like who is in the Oval Office. So these athletes politicize and corrupt literally everything that was supposed to be unifying and enjoyable pastimes for “all” Americans. Same with Hollywood. Same with musicicians and performers. Guess what? A whole lot of the country is sick of it and tuning them ALL out. Good riddance.
If the women soccer players succeed in agitating for “equal pay”, it will be the end of female sports.
Women and men might both put in the same hours kicking around a soccer ball, but they are not paid to exercise. They are paid to fill seats and make money for the franchise. Men and women have gender segregated sports in some disciplines, because physically, women can’t compete. That means that the men are frankly better players if they were matched head to head. That said, women do have their fans and their games are fun to watch. They have their niche. But they command a fraction of the following of men’s soccer, and that is the basis of their pay.
Actors are the same. There are some female stars who bring ticket buyers to the box office, and others whose popularity pales next to their more well known male counterparts. They can argue that they are both saying lines. They are both acting. They can complain about the unfairness of it all, how one guy may be more popular as one girl. But the reality is that an actors salary is commensurate with their earning potential for the studio, as well as their negotiating skills. Unless it is a bit part, actors are being paid to earn money for the movie, not for the actual acting.
If the women’s soccer activists succeed in demanding that they must be paid the same as the men, then women’s soccer will fold entirely. There is not enough revenue in women’s soccer to pay those kinds of salaries.
In some sports the women have a tremendous following and in others, like equestrian sports, the men and women can compete fairly co-ed. Serena Williams is a multimillionaire international icon. I’ll bet by next year we’ll all remember the name of the girl who beat her.
Megan Rapinoe will be happy to meet with lawmakers in Washington DC to have “substantive discussions” with anyone “who believes what we believe in”….so she’s like, “yeah, I’m all about social justice and using my platform for social change…because we need to love more and hate less….oh, and I will ONLY to talk to people who agree with me because I HATE Trump!” Resist!
So off to Washington DC for the Womens Soccer Champs so they can “spread more love” by hating on Trump and Trump supporters.
Yeah, that’s a real unifying and inclusive message there Megan. Not.
Venus lost to the 15 year old, not Serena.
As Rapinoe continues her “protest America, trample the flag, resist Trump” victory tour, Scott Adams posed this question: “Should athletes who offend half of their potential audience be paid the same as those who entertain the public without prejudice?
Turley’s an academic. The professoriate is shot through with people who are hopelessly other-directed.
You vote in a reality show president, this is what you get. Controversy for the sake of controversy. Good for ratings. Not so good for government.
Al:
Yeah we should have gone for the real life witch.
Yes, I think Samantha Stephens would have been better.
Newsflash: 60s TV characters aren’t real.
Al O’Heem – vs the lady who paid for false information provided by Russian spies in order to try to defraud voters? The one who lied about keeping a bootleg server in her bathroom, accessible by peopel with zero clearance, containing top secret classified information, and backed up to the Cloud, thereby giving her communications to China, Russia, et al? The one who deleted thousands of emails while under subpoena and in defiance of the Records Act, and smashed her laptops and Blackberries (with the politicized FBI’s Blessing) with hammers? The one whose Foundation gave a plum contract to one of their donors to provide moldy, leaky trailers to Haitians claiming they were hurricane proof? The one whose husband was paid millions for short speeches to foreign governments during her campaign which dried up after she lost for some unexplained reason?
No indictments, Karen. Despite Republican control of Congress.
The leader of the free world and the most powerful country on earth has no obligation to deal with a cretin like Darroch. Our limey ambassador forgot Machiavelli’s Rule of Diplomats (cited earlier) about having an answer when your true motives and feelings are revealed. He didn’t, he got defiant; he gone!
Mespo, it is surprising that you don’t understand the duties of an ambassador, which do not include sugarcoating his perceptions of the host country’s leadership in his communications to his boss.
It is understandable that you would somehow try to shift the impact of this news from yet another confirmation of our ridiculously substandard leadership – and possible ownership by the Russians – onto the experienced assessor of those shortcomings.
What else can you possibly say or do in that embarrassing position.
You do what I said on another post. You lie and say that’s not your assessment now unless you want to follow your PM and resign in disgrace because you can’t do your job. It’s not about you as an ambassador; its about your county. Anyone who thinks diplomatic cables are secure needs a lesson in espionage or just a Ludlum book.
Unless you’re Trump, you don’t lie when there is clear evidence of the truth.Perhaps you’ve forgotten this in your gullible fealty. The concern of Americans should be with further confirmation of the incompetent leadership of the inept sociopath who occupies the WH, not inside baseball on British diplomacy.
Trump is not the leader of the free world. Have you forgotten? You said above that much of the free world is our enemy.
” It is a mystery to me by Trump wants to fulfill the stereotype of his critics”
The President has performed very well for the American people most notably in the economic sector but it seems Trump is still a mystery to our Professor. How did playing the fool work out for the Obama administration? Did it stop the Russians from advancing past its borders? Did it stop the Chinese? The definition of insanity is doing the wrong thing over and over again.
It seems David that you are unable to comprehend the data from the BEA and elsewhere. But you always have your chance to show us that the economy is not doing well. That is something well past your abilities.
David, don’t trouble yourself with these things. They are above your paygrade.
Not your pay David but your pay grade something you also don’t seem to understand.
It’s OK David. That it is hard for you to understand complex issues is acceptable. You are retired so no one is checking on your work product.