“It’s The Little Things”: NBC Analyst Criticizes Trump’s Order To Lower Flags After Massacre As Implied Salute To White Supremacy

Frank Figluizzi, an NBC News national security contributor, voiced a bizarre criticism of President Donald Trump after Trump ordered flags to be flown at half mast because of the mass shootings in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio. Figluizzi said that the date, August 8th, meant that the shorthand date of 8/8 could be viewed as a reference to 88 which could be a reference to HH (the eighth letter in the alphabet) which could be viewed as a salute to “Heil Hitler.” Figluizzi explained that Trump could be simply ignorant of the obvious reference. There is another possibility: Frank Figluizzi is a reference to FF which is a reference to 66 (as the sixth letter in the alphabet) which is a reference to Route 66 which is a reference to the song “Get Your Kicks On Route 66” which is a reference to freeing yourself from any obligations or responsibilities . . . like serious commentary.

Figluizzi is the former FBI assistant director of counterintelligence and told MSNBC’s Brian Williams:

“It’s the little things and the language and messaging that matters. The president said that we will fly our flags at half-mast until Aug. 8. That’s 8/8. Now, I’m not going to imply that he did this deliberately, but I am using it as an example of the ignorance of the adversary that’s being demonstrated by the White House. The numbers 88 are very significant in neo-Nazi and white supremacy movement. Why? Because the letter ‘H’ is the eighth letter of the alphabet, and to them the numbers 88 together stand for ‘Heil Hitler.’ So we’re going to be raising the flag back up at dusk on 8/8.”

He then added without a hint of humor or irony: “No one’s thinking about this, no one’s giving him the advice. Or he’s rejecting the advice.”

The reason that “no one’s thinking about this” is that it is perfectly insane. It is even hard to believe that a hardcore Nazi would celebrate an obvious pure coincidence of an abbreviated date memorializing victims. If they do, it is hardly a reason to delay the nation mourning the dead.

This is not the first such controversy of 88. We previously discussed how some people objected to a detergent because it happened to show a jersey with 88 on the box.

One has to give the NBC analyst some credit for finding a way — no matter how contrived — to criticize Trump for honoring the dead of these massacres and to suggest that it is actually a celebrating of white supremacy. I am highly skeptical that neo-Nazis would celebrate the coincidence but if they do it is because they are perfectly insane. That does not mean that Trump should wait until 8/9/2019 to mourn the fallen . . . which would translate to HITS for the alphabetically obsessional.

293 thoughts on ““It’s The Little Things”: NBC Analyst Criticizes Trump’s Order To Lower Flags After Massacre As Implied Salute To White Supremacy”

  1. Half mast the flags for 40,000 vehicular highway deaths every year.

    Cars kill people.

    People don’t kill people.

    Ban cars!

  2. He specifically said that 45 was not doing it deliberately. His point was WH should be aware that the neo-nazi wackos read symbolic meaning into certain things and believe 45 is signaling to them. Which is true. That’s what all conspiracy mongers are like. The Q people are the same way.
    I don’t necessarily hold WH accountable for knowing this or adapting behavior around obsessive sub-cultures, but agent’s point is not inane.

  3. Meanwhile, yesterday:

    “None of the eight patients still being treated at University Medical Center in El Paso agreed to meet with Trump when he visited the hospital, UMC spokesman Ryan Mielke said. Two victims who already had been discharged returned to the hospital with family members to meet with the president.

    “This is a very sensitive time in their lives,” Mielke said. “Some of them said they didn’t want to meet with the president. Some of them didn’t want any visitors.”

    Before Trump’s visit Wednesday, however, some of the hospitalized victims accepted visits from a number of city and county elected officials, as well as Reps. Veronica Escobar (D-Tex.) and Jesús “Chuy” García (D-Ill.)….”.


    “A video that surfaced of President Trump’s visit Wednesday to an El Paso hospital in the wake of a mass shooting shows him talking to medical staff about the crowd sizes that he and former congressman Beto O’Rourke drew at political rallies earlier in the year.

    As Trump exchanges pleasantries with doctors and others at the University Medical Center of El Paso, the video shows him pausing to reminisce about dueling rallies that he and the Texas Democrat staged in El Paso in February focused on immigration and border security.

    “That was some crowd,” Trump says of his event. “We had twice the number outside. And then you had this crazy Beto. Beto had like 400 people in a parking lot, and they said his crowd was wonderful.”

    The video shows no one responding to Trump’s assertion before convening for group photos….”



  4. ANTIFA carries firearms and is instigating violence. the government has to reign in radical left or the inevitable result will be normal people forming up self defense groups against these dangerous elements.

    those used to be called militias. for a lot of reasons, that word is not preferable,.

    instead, i recommend they be organized under more innocuous names like “neighborhood watch committee” or “Volunteer Disaster Relief Organization Group” etc, or even as sports clubs. Certainly those mundane purposes should get some authentic time too. or, some people will wish to style these as “Bible studies” Groups and really do that, too, but other business may come up on the oral agenda

    strictly unincorporated associations, no “members”
    keep all written materials bland
    only person to person recruitment, stay off the internet and mass media, no self promotion
    screen out nutjobs and vet all “volunteers” – no strangers at all.
    strictly avoid any illegal talk or activities, immediate disassociation!
    no assets, no accounts, no patreon type nonsense, only pass the hat style ad hoc fundraising and cash on hand style collective efforts.

    it is not clear when the need to have such networks will become important but the organization has to occur before the need ripens or its too late,

    its tough in a country where people are so divided; but necessity will change the opportunities at hand

    1. Kurtz, I’ve got to tell you, ANTIFA is an issue I only hear about from Trumpers. So one strongly suspects that ANTIFA is an all-purpose boogeyman rightwing media makes constant reference to. I seriously question if ANTIFA is an organized movement of any kind. But it appears that Trumpers need a ‘domestic threat’ to justify their paranoia.

      1. “, ANTIFA is an issue I only hear about from Trumpers. ”

        That ignorance is what happens when one’s brains turn into mush.

        Videos are on the site. Address listed at end.
        A Timeline Of Antifa Violence: January – August 2017

        Frank Camp August 28, 2017

        Groups of Antifa protesters have become increasingly violent over the past year, vandalizing and destroying property, and attacking those they perceive to be “fascists.” Members of Antifa, short for “anti-fascist,” share an amorphous ideology which loosely borrows ideas from a multitude of seemingly-contradictory ideologies, including Marxism, and anarchism.

        In the first eight months of 2017, Antifa has rioted in dozens of cities across the United States, leaving a trail of burning rubble and broken people in their wake.

        The following is a timeline of Antifa violence from January through August of this year:

        January 20

        On Inauguration Day, Antifa members rioted in downtown D.C., leading to the arrest of at least 217 people, according to CNN.

        … black-clad “antifascist” protesters smashed storefronts and bus stops, hammered out the windows of a limousine and eventually launched rocks at a phalanx of police lined up in an eastbound crosswalk.

        Six police officers were injured in the riots.

        CNN reports that protests in New York, Portland, and Seattle also turned violent:

        In New York, nine people were arrested for disorderly conduct, according to the New York Police Department. Authorities said five people were arrested at a protest in Dallas, six in Chicago.

        In Portland, Oregon, protesters were armed with clubs, sticks and throwing unknown liquid at officers, according to the Portland Police Department. Six people were arrested in Portland Friday, Portland Police Sgt. Pete Simpson tells CNN.

        In Seattle, people threw bricks and other items at officers during a demonstration on the the University of Washington campus, city police said.

        In D.C., a limousine was vandalized and set on fire. The chauffeur limo belonged to Muslim immigrant, Muhammad Ashraf:

        February 1

        Prior to a planned speech by Milo Yiannopoulos at the University of California at Berkeley, Antifa members and a coalition of “Black Bloc” rioters devastated the campus, causing approximately $100,000 in damages, according to CNN.

        Black-clad protesters wearing masks threw commercial-grade fireworks and rocks at police. Some even hurled Molotov cocktails that ignited fires. They also smashed windows of the student union center on the Berkeley campus where the Yiannopoulos event was to be held. At least six people were injured.

        … The violent protesters tore down metal barriers, set fires near the campus bookstore and damaged the construction site of a new dorm. One woman wearing a red Trump hat was pepper sprayed in the face while being interviewed by CNN affiliate KGO.

        March 4

        In Berkeley, California, a pro-Trump march was violently disrupted by Antifa rioters. According to The Washington Post:

        A planned “March 4 Trump” demonstration held at the city’s Martin Luther King Jr. Civic Center Park — several blocks from the University of California at Berkeley campus — escalated after fights broke out between those who had shown up for the event and counter-protesters. …

        Other items, such as bricks and baseball bats, were confiscated as well.

        The Los Angeles Times writes: “Berkeley Police Officer Byron White said 10 arrests were made: one for resisting arrest, four for assault with a deadly weapon, including a dagger, and five for battery. About seven medical evaluations were made on the scene. None of the injured wanted to be taken to the hospital.”

        April 15

        A Pro-Trump demonstration in Berkeley, California, was disrupted when black-clad protesters showed up.

        According to CBS News:

        Police in Berkeley, California, say 13 people have been arrested and knives and makeshift weapons confiscated after violence erupted at a park where factions that support and oppose President Trump gathered for Tax Day rallies.

        …Officials say officers have confiscated knives, flagpoles, helmets and sticks with signs on them, things that were being used as weapons.

        May 1

        A May Day rally in Portland, Oregon, descended into chaos when the “anti-fascists” showed up, attacking police officers and setting fires.

        NPR reports:

        “Various fires were set in the street and in garbage cans, a police car was spray-painted and vandalized, and there were attempts to set at least one business on fire,” according to Portland Police. “Numerous projectiles were thrown at or launched at police and firefighters including rocks, bottles, ball bearings, fireworks, smoke bombs, and road flares.”

        25 arrests were made. NPR adds that Portland wasn’t the only city in the pacific north west marked by violence on May 1:

        Police in Olympia, Wash., say they were confronted with a “mob” of masked and violent protesters who threw rocks and used slingshots to target officers. The situation settled down after officers used “crowd dispersal devices” and arrested several people.

        August 27

        In the wake of the rally in Charlottesville in which white supremacists clashed with counter-protesters, Antifa has upped their game.

        On Sunday, members of Antifa “barreled into a protest Sunday afternoon in Berkeley’s Martin Luther King Jr. Civic Center Park,” writes Kyle Swenson of The Washington Post.

        Shortly after, violence began to flare. A pepper-spray-wielding Trump supporter was smacked to the ground with homemade shields. Another was attacked by five black-clad antifa members, each windmilling kicks and punches into a man desperately trying to protect himself. A conservative group leader retreated for safety behind a line of riot police as marchers chucked water bottles, shot off pepper spray and screamed, “Fascist go home!”

        The Associated Press reports: “Six people suffered injuries, including two who were hospitalized, and one officer was injured while making an arrest and several others were hit with paint. … There were 13 arrests on various charges including, assault with a deadly weapon.”

        The anti-Marxist rally in Berkeley was organized by Amber Cummings, a transsexual supporter of Trump. Citing the potential for violence, she canceled the event but said she would show up on her own. She was not seen there, though Gibson vowed to come and when he did anarchists set upon him.

        They pepper-sprayed him and chased him as he backed away with his hands held in the air. Gibson rushed behind a line of police wearing riot gear, who set off a smoke bomb to drive away the attackers.

        Separately, groups of hooded, black-clad protesters attacked at least four other men in or near the park, kicking and punching them until the assaults were stopped by police. The assaults were witnessed by an Associated Press reporter.

        Interestingly, AP adds that “Berkeley Police Chief Andrew Greenwood said officers were told not to actively confront the anarchists. He applauded officers’ restraint, saying it forestalled greater violence.”


        This is by no means an exhaustive list of Antifa-related violence. Milder skirmishes have taken place intermittently between the more large-scale events listed above. As the tactics of Antifa are praised by mainstream progressives, their demonstrations will likely become more aggressive.


          1. The mindset of people like Peter doesn’t permit much rational thought. i posted a video yesterday. Was that Peter in the red outfit towards the end?.

        1. Alan, all you have is a timeline of incidents involving leftist rowdies. No proof it’s an ORGANIZED movement. Show me a chart detailing the leadership and national chapters.

            1. Allan says: August 8, 2019 at 5:10 PM

              I guess people that aren’t very smart can’t link the dots together.


              People like Allan.

              1. The Brainless Wonder again who has posted countless of times saying absolutely nothing. Still looking for someone?

                  1. It’s the Brainless Wonder again unable to find her own words so she has copy mine. It’s strange. You keep complaining about my posting yet you keep running after me. I told you find another man. I,m married and am not into lonely old hags.

                    1. And again, Allan fails to connect the dots.

                      No one cares what you’re ‘into’.

                    2. Anonymous, you ought to care because I am rejecting you for specific reasons. Along with the above reasons I don’t care to be with those that have no substance. You never formulate an argument pertinent to the topic in your own words. You can’t.

                    3. I don’t care, Allan.

                      And no one else cares, either, Allan.

                      Well, maybe Paul. 🙂

                    4. “Anonymous, you ought to care because I am rejecting you for specific reasons.” -said by Crazy Allan @ 9:16 PM




                      #Eww, again.

                    5. Look Brainless, if you keep coming on to me I will respond unpleasantly. You are a type of a shrew that no one wants to be around.

                    6. Allan’s an abusive, toxic child who gets away with this bs on JT’s blog. No one is “coming on” to him. It’s a game he plays in his mother’s basement.

                    7. “Allan’s an …”

                      Another Brainless response from a lonely hag who can only dream of prosperity. No intellect for if she had any she would have demonstrated it by now. Her fantassies leave hergoing after the men on this blog that present themselves as men instead of pussiez.

                1. No organizational chart. Right, Alan??

                  Any Bernie Bro can be labeled ANTIFA. Probably half the people labeled ANTIFA have never even voted. I’d be willing to wager that many of them can’t completely distinguish between left and right. That was certainly true with many Bernie Bros on my Facebook stream.

                  1. Peter, we know you need a map to find the bathroom in your own home. Most of the rest of us don’t require one.

                    “Probably half the people labeled ANTIFA have never even voted.”

                    Voting is not what associates one with Antifa. Try and think for a change.

                    “I’d be willing to wager that many of them can’t completely distinguish between left and right.”

                    Yes, many Antifa particiapants are probably ignorant. In that way you would fit in well.

              2. A toxic abusive man-child: Allan in a nutshell.

                And we already know that he MUST have the last word.

                This little blog is his world.

                1. There is something ironic about a sewer rat like anonymous Joey calling others toxic and childish.

                  1. And, yet…, it’s all true:

                    A toxic abusive man-child: Allan in a nutshell.

                    And we already know that he MUST have the last word.

                    This little blog is his world.

                    1. Yes, Brainless you can believe this is my world because that in comparison with your own might make your life more bearable.

                      Is this my world? No. It takes 30 seconds or less to respond to your words of idiocy and takes a lot less to scan the voluminous postings.

                2. Brainless, if you didn’t want me to have the last word why did you bother with having the first? We all know. You are a lonely hag without intellect or a man to keep you company.You control the dialogue when you press on the Post Comment button but you can’t resist longing after manly company which you do with regularity on the blog. It must be hard to be rejected over and over again.

                  1. About Allan:

                    And we already know that he MUST have the last word.

                    This little blog is his world.

                    His. Whole. World.

                    He had nothing else, in spite of the yarns he spins.

                    1. Brainless, if you didn’t want me to have the last word why did you bother with having the first? We all know. You are a lonely hag without intellect or a man to keep you company.You control the dialogue when you press on the Post Comment button but you can’t resist longing after manly company which you do with regularity on the blog. It must be hard to be rejected over and over again.

                    2. This little blog is Allan’s world.

                      His. Whole. World.

                      He had nothing else, in spite of the yarns he spins.

          1. my opinion: no organization. just a type and a brand.

            i already said they’re anarchists and like the anarchists of earlier generatin it is their very essence to eschew central control. the only thing Satan dislikes about them, is that they won’t take orders from him either.

            here, listen to the wobblies talk about it


            I would contend that all the political mishmash is actually a self delusion for them, however. mostly they are just window-breakers, undisciplned freaks who love to sow discord and chaos, and delight in misery of others. they are not Marxists, that would be a step up for them. they are not communists, that would be to impute to them an ability to take orders they really lack. actually a lot of them are just drug addicts with a source of income which allows them to play political radical on the internet as a pretense for their violent outings. they are a criminal scourge worse than organized crime and arguably even worst than political terrorists because they really just like to “confront’ people for the heck of it.

            it’s also why they attract repulsive, unhealthy looking people with dyed heir excessive piercings and tatts, etc. extremely disturbed people, a sort of manure magnet ideology

      2. you can read all about it. they have been around a long time. their roots, they say, and I feel it’s a valid assertion, go all the way back to the Republican anti-fascist militias of the Spanish Civil war.

        Which if you ask some Spaniards, they would have said, were a pretty rough group of characters.

        It is wrong to call anarchists Marxists. They were influenced by marx and the notion of class conflict, yes. But they are not dogmaticaly marxist. in fact the communists of many generations going back to Marx himself, against Bakunin, had problems with them.

        Today antifa is a brand, not an organization. they form local groups according to pattern, not central control. As anarchists, they are dogmatically against any kind of control, that’s for sure.

        Here, let them describe it for themselves


        there is other literature out there., feel free to self educate. I should hope you won’t want to join.

  5. Perhaps 8/8 was a tribute message to Christians. On August 8, 1945, the anti-Nazi German theologian Dietrich Bonhoffer was taken away to be tried and was executed the next day.

  6. If one is falsely supported and propped up, one’s behavior may change commensurately; one may become more confident, assertive and brazen. Why do I suspect that the proper etiquette and deference would be shown; that behavior would be adjusted to demonstrate the appropriate respect for superiors if the eminently unconstitutional affirmative action, quotas, welfare, food stamps, rent control, social services, forced busing, minimum wage, utility subsidies, WIC, TANF, HAMP, HARP, Dept.’s of Agriculture, Commerce, Education, Labor, Energy, Obamacare, Obamaphones, Social Security, Social Security Disability, Social Security Supplemental Income, Medicare, Medicaid, “Fair Housing” laws, “Non-Discrimination” laws, etc. were abolished?

  7. From now on there will be a 3 day waiting period before you can buy cutlery.

  8. While JT wastes his time on irrelevancies – I expect he’ll next post a disagreement with the guy living under his neighborhood bridge – this is happening:


    Obama chose to focus his enforcement efforts on criminal illegals, not families, and one wonders why the owners of these factories weren’t the ones led off in hand cuffs.

    1. lawbreakers detained, kids always sad. people arrested and hauled away from their kids every day.

      we have laws, they need to be followed.

      americans have the stomach to maintain a border or not.

      1. Sure, f..k the kids. It’s too hard to be looking for criminal illegals when we have a bunch of 5′ matrons working for Ralphie down the street. He can fill those jobs lickety-split and we’ll joke about it at church.

        1. i dont understand what you just said. sorry, if you have a serious point to make then please state it plainly

      2. what needs to be said about kids i said yesterday and nobody took me up on it.

        one of the most universal characteristics of mass murderers is that they suffered child abuse or neglect.

        there are social and law enforcement agencies responsible for policing child abuse and neglect. they are often understaffed, under resourced, and incompetent people are tasked to them.

        court procedures are unfair to kids, overly generous to perpetrators.

        CASA and GAL standards are not what they should be.

        this is a major social crisis and hardly anyone breathes a peep over it.

        politicians can’t get elected on a platform of “spend more to help abused kids”

        Democrats will only wring their hands over kids when they are from Central America. let the native born suffer! but in a generation, some will turn from victims into victimizers, and they will be the worst of the worst

        sexual abuse of minors is a big part of this too. it has taken decades to bring light to the despicable prosecutorial practice of pleading down rape of a minor so long as a family relationship exists, to the lesser offense of “incest” . this was called the incest loophole and in most states the crimes are now equalized in punishment.


        there are many specifics available for people of goodwill who are interested in these difficult problems

        gun control is a band aid. sorry but it will not work. please for the sake of children let’s put some resources where they can help.

        this is a bipartisan issue by the way. only in the sense that both parties ignore the problem.

        1. I mentioned that Democrats dont care. I maintain in general Republican poliicians dont either.

          The usual Republican excuse to underfund child abuse protection is a) save money and b) some strange religious cult had a kid taken away and so they are chary of child abuse agencies

          the child abuse agencies are almost always overwhelmed. spending a day in court listening to child abuse cases is heartbreaking. many of these “parents” should have had rights taken away long before and never restored. society is at a loss to do what with all the abused kids. it’s an absolute epidemic in every generation that we are not any better at handling now, on the whole than we were 40 years ago.

          and the evil fruit is often that the abused become mass murderers

          we were warned about this a long time ago, in 1973, a child advocacy lawyer penned a short story that reads like horror prophecy today. the book was rejected by publishers. now you can get a free download.


        2. BS from the guy worked up over what “couple dudes” say on TV, but fine with scores of kids suddenly without a parent because a symbolic arrest – you can’t arrest 12 million – of non-criminal illegals. The business owner doesn’t get locked up, so his kids can go to Little League tonight. Obama policy was to focus on criminal illegals, realizing you don;t have the resources or national will to go after the 12 million.

          As to his “bipartisan” post on sexual abuse of minors, which begins with an attack on the same democratic party which was responsible for guaranteed health care for children, school breakfast and lunch programs for kids, funding for after school child care, etc., sure, good work. Both it and gun control are obtainable and would help. Give us a link.

          1. i am not advocating more free food for kids. although that helps mitigate the harm of abuse. i am specifically talking about child protection agencies. funding, staffing, and certain structural reforms of particular things like CASA and GAL standards which would help abused kids get better treatment from the state and more protection from their parental abusers. or their foster care abusers! or their jail abusers. it is sad, horrible. but these are indeed bipartisan issues. as i said bipartisanly ignored.


            you are free to think I am insincere. you dislike me. that is fine. i do not matter. i am a nobody. the information is out there. the issue is real and it relates to the issue of mass shooters which is on our minds. they were even talking about the common factor of childhood neglect and abuse in the life history of mass shooters, just the other day, on your beloved NPR the other day, briefly, amidst more interesting commentary blaming Trump for everything.

    2. Anon, my sister lived in Mississippi for 10 years and I went there a couple times to really check it out. A surprisingly pretty state.

      But Mississippi is overwhelmingly rural and conservative. Therefore ICE could easily conduct large raids there with no fear of interference from sympathetic Whites or Blacks. Which leads me to think ICE chose Mississippi just for that reason. They are probably under pressure (from Trump) to conduct some round-ups. So they decided Mississippi would be a very safe locale.

      1. Sure. From a clip I saw, the US Attorney from that district is on board too.

          1. Cindy, you have kids or grandkids? Watch this local news clip and tell me this is a wise and humane use of law enforcement’s limited resources.


            There are an estimated 12 million undocumented immigrants here, and most are living productive and crime free lives, while others – a smaller percentage than native born Americans – are criminals. The USAttorney in that district should resist whatever inhumane and wasteful orders he gets from Washington and focus his limited budget and personnel on these undocumented immigrants, not the kids’ on the video’s parents. While he’s at it, the owners of these factories are even easier to find than the matrons he took a victory lap over Wednesday. He should be ashamed, and so should you if you support him.

            1. PS Cindy, I am anon1. It’s tricky staying on here if you’re not a Trumpster.

            2. anon……what heartless, idiotic parent would sneak their child into a foreign country???!!!!
              The illegal adults are guilty of blatant child abuse…..period!

              1. Apparently it is morally unacceptable and illegal to deport illegal immigrants today.

                However it was morally acceptable and legally enforceable to remove a legally protected political refugee, knowing the refugee was a child who’s mother gave her life at sea carrying her child in the Florida Straits escaping communist Cuba.

                Ordered by US President Bill Clinton and executed by Attorney General Janet Reno, armed US Marshalls carryed assault rifles, wore gas masks, stormed by force a private residence on the most holiest religious day to Catholics in a humble Cuban family’s home caring for the refugee boy, a blood relative. The boy’s father in Cuba had abandoned the boy and the mother, had not interacted with them for years, and left the mother single to seek a better life for her child because she knew what intelligent people know: Communism is a lie.

              2. What heartless mother would permit themselves to be paid so that a drug or human trafficker could cross the US border with the mother’s child? The number is rather high.

                It appears there are those on this blog that only virtue single and don’t care at all about the young.

              3. Cindy, you should be ashamed.

                1. Your judgement of the decisions of these kids’ parents in the past is irrelevant to what you are apparently happy is being done to them now.

                2. I hate to tell you this, but many Americans’ forefathers made risky journeys, often with kids in tow, across oceans – and significant numbers died during that transit – to a place they couldn’t be absolutely sure would be safe. If you live out west, then you know the stories of the wagon trains and white families setting up in dangerous Indian territories – with kids.Often where they left was worse – as is probably the case with these families – and they took the risk and made the journey. That’s who and what America is.

                3. Why don’t you show that video to your kids or grandkids and then explain your position to them. If you can’t do that, maybe you should rethink this one.

                  1. Cindy, I’ll assume that means you don’t have kids or grandkids or can’t pass the simple test I suggested.

                    You should be ashamed

                    1. Anon1……..166 babies were aborted in Texas on the day of the Walmart shooting……that’s 8 times as many deaths as at Walmart. Cry much over that, do you?.

                    2. Cindy, you apparently figure those 166 fetuses give you license to advocate an equal amount of injustice, however you do that calculation, without guilt.

                      Go ahead, show the video to your grandkids, nephews, nieces and tell them why you’re happy about it.

                1. “I hate to tell you this, but many Americans’ forefathers made risky journeys, often with kids in tow, across oceans ”

                  Bad analogy. One doesn’t give their children to drug and human traffickers to break the laws of another country.

                  We could easily solve the problem by refusing to keep anyone that crosses the border illegally. We don’t need to address anything but a simple law change. Return all people accross the border unless invited in, If they are seeking assylum they can seek it while outside of US borders.Thjis simple remedy need not be tied in with any other issues or laws.

                    1. Cindy, so it is your belief that of the 12 million undocumented illegals in America including the parents of those kids now without family on that video, that significant numbers gave their children to drug and human traffikers?

                      Come on.

                      You’re as useless as Allan and not worth my time.

                    2. “You’re as useless as Allan …”

                      Thank you Anon for your compliment as I certainly am useless to your cause which is stupid and ignorant.

                2. Anon1 – you don’t mean all those Indians were friendly? Surely, the history of the West is that the Indians were the friendliest people in the land. They were close to the earth and did not fight with each other or with whites. It is just vicious gossip, that Indians were killing and torturing whites. Please do not spread this fake news any longer.

      2. actually the left wing press is saying that there was a lawsuit about that workplace and Trump is retaliating. which is foolish because Trump does not call the shots for what places are picked and which are not. that is not how federal LE works.

        the reality is that meat packing plants are perennial violaters of these laws. Remember Clinton donor Tyson foods? they got pinched. now, the last one I recall, was a funny one, it was a kosher slaugherhouse in No Dakota, maybe. IMagine, a kosher slaughterhouse in…. north dakota? with a bunch ofillegals working.

        it seems packing plants and food processing is the industry of choice

      3. Hill……….”surprisingly pretty”…..You say that like a Union soldier.
        Miss. is gorgeous…..Also, it’s SO conservative that in 1969 it elected Charles Evers as the first black mayor of a bi-racial town in Miss. Waco Texas elected a black mayor in 1974, and Richmond Va, Atlanta, Ga., Raleigh, N.C….all elected black mayors in the 1970’s.
        But Boston, Mass??? The capital of the most “liberal” state at that time….has NEVER had a black mayor. Never.
        (And it’s 2019, you may recall)

        1. Cindy, Massachusetts elected a Black Senator, Edward Brooke way back in 1966. And Massachusetts elected a Black Governor, Deval Patrick, in 2007.

          But for the record, Cindy, Massachusetts is ‘not’ as liberal as people imagine. They’ve been very timid in their implementation of legal marijuana.

          1. Hill……I said “the most liberal state at that time” (the 70’s)……….and one of the only states McGovern (and Carter) carried.
            I know about the other blacks in office. I also know about the bussing protests.

        2. Cindy, I live in the south. Cut the s..t. Those towns and cities elected black mayors with majority black voters, not enlightened white voters.

          1. Liberals are incapable of celebrating any kind of victories for minorities, because they’re afraid of losing control over them.
            It’s sickening to watch.

  9. There is no such thing as “white supremacy.” This is a false hoax just like the Mueller “malicious prosecution” of President Trump.

    Minorities and parasitic, foreign invader hyphenates are equal or even equaler than all those “dead white guys”, Founding Fathers and

    various and sundry other deplorable white trash crackers in America.

    Can we get rid of affirmative action privilege, quotas, generational welfare, food stamps, social services, utility subsidies, Social Security

    Supplemental Income, Social Security Disability, TANF, WIC, HAMP, HARP, Obamacare, etc., etc., etc. now?

    I mean, it’s all unconstitutional anyway.

      1. Fools ignore the facts: America is not uniquely mentally ill – even with the Trumpsters who were a minority , unlike suicidal Brexit voters who were a slim majority – but we are uniquely awash with guns and BIG SURPRISE to people like Kurtz, uniquely victimized by homicides and mass killings.

  10. Oooh, that’s terrible!

    Wait, who is this guy?

    Who GAF?

    JT’s snowflakes GAF and so does are master of irrelevancies.

  11. A vote for Democrats like Elizabeth Warren is a vote for furthering civil war. Call them as they are: they hate America and half of all Americans.

    “Elizabeth Warren calls Trump a white supremacist”

    Sen. Elizabeth Warren, a top Democrat in the 2020 presidential elections, said President Trump is a white supremacist and has done “everything in his power to stir up racial conflict and hatred in this country.

    1. today on democracy now a couple dudes with spanish accents are talking about how “anglos invaded texas and dispossed tejanos in 1820”

      they want their land back, anglos out

      make no mistake, they are forming up for fiercer attacks, and not any random attack either. this is a systematic attack on sectors of the american population by strategists who use red guard style activist goon squads — some on the street, some roaming the halls of academia, some here some there– essentially, the current version of covert marxist trade syndicatlst committes of centuries ago– which will intimdate and harass private people but also intimidate government into letting them get their way regardless of laws

            1. democracy now. that is a left wing website. they often have some good programming.
              however today it is a couple latino dudes calling trump racist. i don’t like that but maybe you would.

              you’re not serious.

      1. Well, Mr. Kurtz, as Obama would say “we won”. We’re not giving Texas back. So they’ll just have to get over it.

      2. Mr Kurtz………there were 3x as many anglos as mexicans in Texas in the 1830’s, which the Democrats don’t want to talk about.
        Democrats like their minorities stupid and obedient. They’re so condescending to the Latinos down here in Tejas.

    2. Kim, we’re having a civil war right now. A ‘cold’ civil war. So this idea that Trump is the only thing holding us together is like saying Bashir Assad is the only thing holding Syria together.

      1. Assad was holding Syria together pretty well until the funding came in– from wherever– to arm the dissidents with weapons of war and mercenary wages

        Of course the drought and desertification and food shortage crisis was a precipitating factor too

        one wonders what other strife “climate change” will certainly bring

        tens of millions of refugee “invaders” from coastal regions would be my guess. what we face today is just a prelude

        if it goes hot, better be sure which side you’re on. side down at the wrong lunch table in jail, you’ll face a beating from both sides.

        1. Yes, Kurtz, Climate Change will continuing causing havoc. It will accelerate, in fact. But I don’t believe for a moment that Assad was ever all that popular. His power rests on sponsorship from Iran and Russia.

          1. you can believe that but in fact he was popular with a lot of normal syrians and his dad was too and it was an orderly and stable society. lots of Christian Arab refugees from Turkey had to flee to Syria, over the years, Assads were comparatively secular compared to a lot of nutty religious fanatics in the neighborhood.

            “Syriangirl” is a content creator, popular on youtube, for years, a syrian migrant to Australia. She talks all about the civil war in ways that can’t be accessed in the usual US media groupthink.

            she has for years exposed the motley collected detritus of the Syrian opposition from the paltry few of the “democratic” forces to the much larger numbers of alqueda aka “al nusra” and the ISIL or whatever


            you guys that think all the dissidents are backed by Russia prolly think that bout her too however. the NYT does apparently.

            1. Tulsi is probably closest to her in terms of foreign policy ideas. You know Tulsi the good looking democrat POTUS candidate that the fake news and Kamala keeps calling an Assad apologist? Sad, really sad!

            2. you can believe that but in fact he was popular with a lot of normal syrians and his dad was too and it was an orderly and stable society.

              The ratio of Syria’s domestic product per capita to that of the United States (at purchasing power parity) fell from 0.155 to 0.115 between 1963 and 2010. (The ratio for Egypt, hardly an exemplar of optimal economic policy, increased from 0.098 to 0.194). Syria during that span of years was merely nondynamic. Now the place is in ruins.

              While the country had political problems prior to 1963, it also had an independent public life and more than three decades of experience with parliamentary institutions (interspersed with several year’s worth of military governments and a 45 month period as a vassal state of Egypt).

              In point of fact, you’d be hard put to find an example of an Arab country which has done less with more over the last sixty years. The Sudan, perhaps, or Iraq.

              1. Even before its civil war, Syria was known to have one of the largest police state apparatuses in the world. And probably for that very reason, Syria was vulnerable to the Arab Spring. However the Arab Spring was an event Trump supporters can’t acknowledge because it clashes with common rightwing media narratives.

                1. However the Arab Spring was an event Trump supporters can’t acknowledge because it clashes with common rightwing media narratives.

                  David Brock’s not feeding you good talking points.

                2. not largest, it is a small country. pervasive, would be a better word

                  the Arab spring refers to riots and unrest occuring in about 6 diff arab countries starting in 2010 or so. the causes were different from nation to nation and complex.

                  i can’t address your slander of trump supporters, you are just projecting some stereotype there which is not helpful to a constructive conversation of anything.

                  1. Kurtz, I’ve noticed for some time that Republicans in general, and Trump supporters in particular, don’t believe the Arab Spring was a runaway wildfire.

                    That narrative clashes with the rightwing narrative that Obama crapped out on our old friend Mubarak. Like Obama was supposed to prop up an 83 old despot who spent more than 30 years in power.

                    The truth also clashes with the narrative that Obama irrationally turned on Quadafi, In reality Quadafi had been in power for 40 years and Libyans were simply sick of him as they understandably would be.

                    1. We should never have been involved to the extent that we became a part of his death. That was horrible foreign policy blunder and told Kim that if he gives up his weapons the US might turn on him like it did with Ghadaffi. No one asked Obama to prop up Ghadaffi. They asked him not to become involved.

                      There are places in the world where only a strongman as horrible as he may be can keep the place functioning and the deaths down. These are things our Secretary of State didn’t know. She was booksmart, knows how to cheat but she knew very little about how the world works. Too much time studying Alinsky and not enough time on world affairs.

                    2. The uprising against Gaddafi was on the verge of defeat until the U.N. so-called “No-Fly Resolution” to “protect civilians”.
                      The Obama Administration and some NATO members used this as cover for a sustained, comprehensive bombing campaign against Gaddafi’s force…..that is what toppled Gaddafi, and an honest review of the facts and the events as they actually unfolded confirms those facts.
                      To pretend that this was smart policy given the predictable aftermath of this fiasco is to willfully turn a blind eye to a foreign policy disaster because it was an Obama- Clinton disaster.
                      If you think that was good policy, you must have loved the results of Gulf War II.

                    3. The Libyan civil war was due to a truly democratic revolution, which once complete not only held elections but also celebrated our help and was an ally. Unlike Gulf War II, which we have learned Tom was a big supporter, there actually were parades in the streets by Libyans with American flags and it cost us 0 lives and $1 billion. Obama’s rightful regret was that we did not provide adequate support after the revolution. It is presently still in tribal and sectarian turmoil, but democratic and western friendly forces still maintain a government.

              2. plenty of them actually. you’re always quick with some stats. do stats measure all dimensions of human and social existence?

                order and stability are actually valued by people. not just “progress”

  12. If you enjoyed the global corporatocracy’s original War on Islamicist Terror, you’re going to love their latest spinoff, The War on White Supremacist Terror. It’s basically just like the old War on Terror, except that this time the bad guys are all white supremacists, and Donald Trump is Osama bin Laden … unless Putin is Osama bin Laden. OK, I’m not quite sure who’s Osama bin Laden. Whatever. The point is, the Terrorists are coming!

    Yes, that’s right, some racist psycho murdered a bunch of people in Texas, so it’s time to “take the gloves off” again, pass some new kind of Patriot Act, further curtail our civil liberties, and generally whip the public up into a mass hysteria over “white supremacist terrorism.”


  13. from ap august 8— a special update for Natacha. who was just saying, um, yesterday? that Trump won’t target companies.

    MORTON, Miss. (AP) — The Latest on immigration raids at Mississippi food processing plants (all times local):

    2:15 p.m.

    U.S. immigration officials say raids at seven food processing plants in Mississippi resulted in 680 arrests.

    U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Acting Director Matthew Albence told The Associated Press that the arrest count from Wednesday’s raids may make it the largest workplace sting in more than a decade and probably the largest ever for a single state.

    Authorities say about 600 agents fanned out across the plants, surrounding the perimeters to prevent workers from fleeing. They targeted several companies.

  14. Damn! How much of this insanity is intended to shock the conscience of Americans into disbelieving the expected shocking contents of the Horowitz and Durham reports?

  15. you know, the awful white surpemists used to talk all the time about the Missouri robbery, kidnapping, torture, rape and murder of a nice young white couple by a group of black thugs, maybe you heard of that? since there’s all this talk about white surpremississsts all the time now, i just thought it’s ironic that one of the rapist and murderers is standing trial for additional charges


    the terrible racists are always fanning the hate by telling people true facts that will inflame them! its very irresponsible. not like the good mass media that deliberately blacks out suspect information which would tend to confirm racial bias or whatever, like the black race of various murders suspects, as has become the norm for “responsible journalism” of late. the new standards are to rarely if ever report that a suspect is black. that’s because such information can confirm the impression which is true but racist that a lot of murderers are black. the mass media is doing goodthink, for omitting truthful yet racist facts!

    i remember when these crimes happened, several years ago, the mass media wasnt quite as responsible as it is today, that is, when this happened a few years back ,they let everybody know the perps were all black and the dead raped victims were white. the perps held them up at the atm then raped and tortured and dismembered the young people after killing them. it was very gory, the details I wont say are even worse, awful. never heard of it maybe? well yes, that was very racist to tell these true facts, and how ironic its still wending its way through the courts. this wont make national news although it did at the time,


    bottom line: fake news!

  16. So as not to eclipse Natacha’s posting:

    SPLC: State Department Employee Secretly Worked as White Nationalist

    HEADLINEAUG 08, 2019

    The Southern Poverty Law Center has linked a State Department employee to violent and hateful white nationalist messages posted online under a pseudonym. The SPLC’s Hatewatch project found evidence that U.S. Bureau of Energy Resources foreign affairs officer Matthew Q. Gebert and his wife made regular posts glorifying Nazi soldiers, denying the Holocaust, advocating for ethnic cleansing, spreading anti-Semitic and anti-black conspiracy theories, and glorifying mass murderer Dylann Roof. Gebert also allegedly hosted well-known members of the white nationalist movement at his home in Virginia.

    And this:

    Trump Supporter with Loaded Pistol, Knife Arrested Outside El Paso Immigrant Center

    HEADLINEAUG 08, 2019

    Meanwhile, El Paso police arrested a Trump supporter Wednesday as he sat outside an organizing space for immigrant activists, wearing blue latex gloves and brandishing a knife. Organizers with Casa Carmelita say police also recovered a loaded gun, ammunition and a bag of white powder from the man’s truck, which sported a large banner portraying Donald Trump as Rambo and bumper stickers for the far-right conspiracy website InfoWars. The man appears to be 21-year-old Thomas Bartram, who was profiled earlier on Wednesday by the Washington Examiner. Bartram told the paper he was an “open-carry kind of guy” at political rallies; a photo accompanying the article shows Bartram making what appears to be a white nationalist hand gesture.

    1. You lost me when I read the words “Southern Poverty Law Center”….. which is itself a fraudulent “hate” group.

    2. flash news. SPLC founder and multimillionaire Morris Dees harassed women and people of color at the SPLC for decades before they finally ousted him/

      Everything they say is garbage


      SPLC probably has a staffer who has been tasked with monitoring this website and taking down all the screen names of suspected haters for potential future use. They have a target list of millions of names and profiles and “Dossiers” on everyone from top figures down to petty local kluckers.

      And all the Republican activists in between.

      The SPLC is itself engaged in tax fraud on a massive scale and systematic defamation of thousands of people. A few recent defamation cases are not going their way but many, many more are in the chute.

      They have 400 million plus in endowment, heck i forget the recent number, maybe more than 500 M. They are a desirable target for enterprising personal injury lawyers to sue for defamation. Someone is going to score some more million dollar verdicts against them beyond the one that they lost last year. More are coming.

      Maybe even from those disgruntled staffers that Dees was harassing, who knows?

  17. hey guess what! Betts was closer to ANTIFA than we thought.

    he was an “armed counter protestor” at KKK rally.

    usually KKK rallies are about 5 – 10 goofballs, half of whom are informants, the other half barely literate, not a serious outfit

    and they draw about 100 antifa and various counter protestors for every one.

    turns out Betts was a counter protestor, hmm

    so all the fake news the past 2 days is fanning the heat for latent nutjob hate-haters like Betts to go postal as well…. this too will be remembered


  18. Jon: this is why Figliuzzi is a counterintelligence expert and you are not. The tenor of this piece is that FF went to unreasonable lengths to criticize Trump, but what it really shows is the unreasonable lengths you will go to defend him.

    FF devoted a career to knowing the hidden meaning of symbols used by terrorist groups, including those right here in the US. White Supremacists and Neo Nazis right here in the US, as well as in South America and parts of Europe celebrate Hitler’s birthday every April. Why choose 8/8, anyway” Why didn’t Trump order the immediate lowering of flags on Monday, not to be raised until the last victim’s funeral was over? Who says that Trump, or at least someone in his administration, didn’t know the symbolism of “88”? I guarantee you that someone at the FBI knows about this, and I seriously doubt they would fail to point this out, so maybe Trump was told but didn’t care. He has praised and pandered to White Supremacists, whose votes he needs. He has been openly praised by David Dukes, former Grand Wizard of the Klan. FF opined that maybe Trump didn’t know, but it is far from “perfectly insane” to ignore such known symbolisms of extremist groups.

    1. and Trump had a casino so he knows 88 is a lucky number and a popular slot machine

      Nutcase, You are full of C R AAAAP

      1. FFS – agreed. Natacha and the left have completely gone off the rails. That includes my wife.

    2. This “Natasha” person is just trolling us. This is “her” best post so far. It made me spit out my coffee.

  19. Rep Scalise adds wisdom to the discussion

    Rep. Castro Targets His Constituents

    Don’t respond to murder with insane partisanship.
    By Steve Scalise

    Rep. Joaquin Castro on Monday tweeted a list of his San Antonio constituents who’ve contributed the maximum legal amount to President Trump’s re-election campaign. The list, composed entirely of private citizens, described their occupations or employers. Some were retirees, homemakers and military veterans.

    The tweet came on the heels of a mass shooting perpetrated by a white supremacist in an El Paso, Texas, Walmart . Mr. Castro—brother and campaign chairman of a Democratic presidential candidate—tried to draw a direct line between his Trump-supporting constituents and the massacre, accusing his constituents of “fueling a campaign of hate.” Hours before the tweet, Mr. Trump had denounced the hatred, bigotry and evil behind the El Paso attack.

    This insane hyperpartisanship is a sickness. It’s disgusting when some care more about assigning blame for an attack than they do about getting the facts and preventing the next tragedy.

    The man who shot me and others on a baseball field in 2017 was a volunteer for Sen. Bernie Sanders’s presidential campaign. I don’t blame Mr. Sanders for the shooting. Mr. Sanders immediately disavowed the man’s actions, and I believe he meant it. He didn’t put that gun in my shooter’s hand.

    Hatred is a choice. The deranged man who shot me chose to hate his perceived enemies, just as the shooters in El Paso and Dayton, Ohio, did this past weekend. There are other similarities between mass shooters. Many—including my shooter, the Parkland, Fla., shooter, and the Dayton shooter—were known to law enforcement. There were warning signs. We can, and must, get better at interpreting these signs so we have a better chance of preventing mass shootings.

    But that’s not all it will take. We must turn down the heat on the political rhetoric and focus on healing local communities. We must think about how society glorifies and normalizes violence and how we stigmatize mental illness. We must investigate how terrorists become radicalized.

    And, yes, we must pray. When we view each other not as neighbors but as political enemies, something in the country is fundamentally broken.

    Mr. Scalise, a Louisiana Republican, is House minority whip.


    1. Thank you for posting. Thank you Steve Scalise.

      Enough!! with the irresponsible divisive inciteful hateful rhetoric coming from the MEDIA! And from the DEMOCRATS! And from HOLLYWOOD loudmouth activists! And from CABLE TV dum dum PUNDITS and so-called Journalists who literally don’t know a damn thing. Their goal? Vote the way THEY think is right or else? THEY will not just criticize you, they will publicly shame you, or physically attack you via ANTIFA terrorists and OFA “organized” protestors, and they will do all they can to harrass you and make your life miserable. THESE people will try to DESTROY you because you do not think or live or vote they way THEY think you should! Enough!

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