From Nuking Hurricanes to Friending Kim Jong Un, A Credibility Bill Comes Due For Trump

At the G7 meeting, President Donald Trump enlisted First Lady Melania Trump to vouch for his view that North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un is a person with “tremendous potential” after spending time with him. The problem is that the First Lady has never met Kim Jong Un, as the White House later embarrassingly admitted. It was a signature moment for the President who has been struggling to convince people that he never suggested nuking hurricanes despite multiple alleged sources saying that he raised the idea repeatedly. The problem is really not the importance of the First Lady vouching for Kim Jong Un or even nuking hurricanes, the problem is that Trump has made so many false statements (including statements contradicted on videotape) that it is no longer possible to simply take his word for it that he never raised the truly insane idea of nuking hurricanes. It is amazing how Trump’s denial did not seem to have any real impact on the coverage. The credibility bill has come due for the President.

At the G-7 (Group of Seven) summit, President Donald Trump declared “Kim Jong Un — who I’ve gotten to know extremely well; the first lady has gotten to know Kim Jong Un, and I think she’d agree with me — he is a man with a country that has tremendous potential.” 

For Trump, it was a relatively small misfire. However, it was coming at a time when he was denying a shocking report that he suggested the possibility of exploding nukes to stop the formation of hurricanes.  Axios reported that Trump made the proposal to senior Homeland Security and national security officials and cited multiple sources. 

The president later called the story “ridiculous.” “The story by Axios that President Trump wanted to blow up large hurricanes with nuclear weapons prior to reaching shore is ridiculous. I never said this. Just more FAKE NEWS!”

For any other president, the denial would have been enough to knock down a story of a clearly moronic proposal. However, Trump has lost that credibility cushion.

While Francis W. Riechelderfer, the head of the U.S. Weather Bureau (now the National Weather Service), once raised the idea in 1961, it would cause untold environmental harm. It is chilling that if any modern president would even contemplate such an act. As NOAA wrote on its FAQ page “Apart from the fact that this might not even alter the storm, this approach neglects the problem that the released radioactive fallout would fairly quickly move with the tradewinds to affect land areas and cause devastating environmental problems. Needless to say, this is not a good idea.” 

The more worrisome fact for the White House is that this story is considered plausible and that the President’s denial had no impact on the news cycle. That is why President speak carefully. They know that credibility, once lost, is difficult to regain . . . particularly when you need it the most.

I truly do not know the truth of this matter and that disturbs me a great deal. Like many Americans, it is not clear who or what source can be trusted. With some media now openly anti-Trump, it is difficult to trust the reporting. Yet, the President himself shows a continuing lack of concern over the accuracy or truth of statements. That leaves the public with little ability to discern fact from fiction — a dangerous position for any democratic system.

224 thoughts on “From Nuking Hurricanes to Friending Kim Jong Un, A Credibility Bill Comes Due For Trump”

  1. ‘THE POLLS ARE PHONY TOO’ (Caps by the article’s author. I wouldn’t want anyone to think that I
    I’m shouting. /sarc)

    “Trump Rants on Brian Kilmeade’s Radio Show: ‘I’m Not Happy With Fox’”

    “Kilmeade, of course, did not push back on the president for repeatedly naming and shaming the Fox News reporters Trump finds insufficiently deferential.”

    by Justin Baragona
    Updated 08.29.19 11:46AM ET / Published 08.29.19 11:43AM ET

    “President Donald Trump continued to blast Fox News on Thursday morning, this time directly telling Fox & Friends host Brian Kilmeade that he is “not happy” with the conservative-leaning news network.

    “Appearing Thursday on Kilmeade’s morning radio show, the president eventually got around to addressing his recent criticisms of Fox, which had culminated in a Wednesday morning tweetstorm featuring Trump calling the network “HOPELESS & CLUELESS” for interviewing a DNC spokesperson.”

  2. Left wing extremists are number 1 at being ignored by Americans

    Keep at it Lefties. Cyanide pills are available online 2 for 1

    While FNC was No. 1 in primetime viewership in all of basic cable this month and celebrated its 38th consecutive month as tops in total-day audience, that other cable newser, MSNBC, got burned this hot August.

    Down 16% in total day viewers from last August to 870,000, and down 20% in primetime viewers from last year to 1.48 million, the NBCUniversal-owned outlet beat CNN in total viewers in both categories. However, this month also saw MSNBC garner just 222,000 in the 25-54 primetime demo to match July as the channel’s worst result since Donald Trump entered the White House.

    Similar to MSNBC’s primetime demo result, not a lot changed in the cable news show rankings from July to August. Sean Hannity’s 9 PM ET perch was still No. 1 for a fifth month in a row with 3.3 million tuning in, even with last month.

  3. For John Say who thinks Trump is building the wall.

    “President Trump is so eager to complete hundreds of miles of border fence ahead of the 2020 presidential election that he has directed aides to fast-track billions of dollars’ worth of construction contracts, aggressively seize private land and disregard environmental rules, according to current and former officials involved with the project.

    He also has told worried subordinates that he will pardon them of any potential wrongdoing should they have to break laws to get the barriers built quickly, those officials said.

    Trump has repeatedly promised to complete 500 miles of fencing by the time voters go to the polls in November 2020, stirring chants of “Finish the Wall!” at his political rallies as he pushes for tighter border controls. But the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers has completed just about 60 miles of “replacement” barrier during the first 2½ years of Trump’s presidency, all of it in areas that previously had border infrastructure….”

    1. wow that is good news thanks Anon1

      Do you think the Great Wall of China got built without pissing some people off?

      Get it done

      1. Another mark heard from. Baited with a free wall, he switched to can’t wait to pay for it now, and screw the constitution.

        1. Anon1…………don’t look now, kiddo, but almost all of the Democrats helped to pass the Secure Fence Act of 2006. It was then-Senator Barack Obama’s first vote as a junior senator. File that under “O” for Oops! LOL
          Wall, fence, tomato, tomahto.

          1. Cindy, their idiocy is truly remarkable.

            Anon1 comment “screw the constitution“ is rich.

            Programmed Robots aren’t as predictable as the Left.

            the Left Wing nut jobs have been railing against the US Constitution since their Lying (e.g. Bosnia sniper fire) and Sulfuric (e.g. Irredeemable, deplorables) Queen lost the 2016 Election. They denounce the Constitution daily due to the directives written therein with regard to how the Presidential Election is to be decided, i.e. the Electoral College.

            They seethe at the First Amendment re: Free Speech (see Antifa shutting down public forums, rioting against assembled parties, demanding safe spaces, et al)

            They are apoplectic about the Second Amendment even if the Obamas behine their walled off mansion in DC and the Clintons (for reasons unknown to Americans) merit armed Secret Service

            Violence for them is acceptable to further their ideologies. Killing the most defenseless and innocent lives are termed “choice”. Inciting others to threaten, harass, bodily harm are part of their genetics even if they scream about saving the earth.

            now they want to stack SCOTUS in hopes of having activist Justices because they dont like the SCOTUS makeup today.

            The Left lie, manipulate the truth and if they don’t get their way, starve the citizenry if bludgeoning do the job. It worked for Joseph Stalin, Mao and now Maduro

            The Left are truly a depraved group of people and thankfully Americans have come to realize the truth: they used to control the narrative and hence elections. No more


          2. Yeah, Cindy, the border fence was started by Bill Clinton and improved under Bush. By the time Obama took office, apprehensions were down significantly from the peak year of 2000.

            1. this from the coward who uses a fake name and sez he can be found in the canyons of LA.

          3. Cindy, start thinking and quit regurgitating.
            Part of the border can effectively be protected by walls, while other parts cannot and US residents along these sections oppose building them. The cult figure you follow is indiscriminate, seeking a wall the length of our border. His goal is a monument to himself, the only person he cares about. If you have somehow missed this obvious and observable fact, there may be something wrong with you.

            We might start with the fact that he promised the wall would be free, but somehow you apparently are happy to pay for it. Do you remember how you came to accept this obvious bait and switch, and was a loss of consciousness involved?

            1. Anon1 – I think they are looking into Mexican cartel drug money paying for it. Oh, the irony. 🙂

              1. The payment issue is a non issue for non intellects like Anon. We can deal with the who pays later, but it is reasonable to discuss the of use cartel drug money to pay for the wall. Drug money, cars, etc. that has been obtained when arresting drug criminals has been used to provide more money for law enforcement on a more local level.

                Anon’s statement “Yeah, sure Paul.” is meant to be a put down and to close out reasonable ideas. He is a fool that is not open to any discussion unless directed to by his ideological masters.

        2. no border, no nation
          no nation, no constitution

          no wall on border,
          it gets penetrated by tens of millions of interlopers
          thus reflecting the reality of no border, no nation
          so no wall = no border = no nation = no constitution

          got that?

    2. At least he’s building the wall unlike the Bullet Train joke the dems thought they thought was the best thing since ice cream

    3. Do you know what else disregards environmental regulations? Solar farms, wind farms, and high speed rail.

  4. My prediction for awhile.

    Frank Brunei

    “….Until now it has been unclear to me precisely how Trump ends. His manifestly rotten character hasn’t alienated his supporters, who are all too ready with rationalizations and fluent in trade-offs. They’re also unbothered by many of his missteps, because he has sold those to a cynical electorate as media fables and rivals’ fabrications. He’s so enterprising and assiduous at pointing the finger elsewhere that many voters have lost their bearings. Defeat is victory. Oppressors are liberators. Corruption is caring. Mar-a-Loco is Shangri-La…

    But Americans of all persuasions recognize melodrama when it keeps smacking them in the head, and he has manufactured a bruising degree of it. They’re not keen on Washington or politics, so they don’t care for the way in which fevered discussions of both have become so pervasive as to be ambient.

    Even Trump’s Supporters Are Getting Tired of His Daily Drama” was the headline on Jim Geraghty’s Monday column in National Review, which sometimes travels fantastically creative routes to reach the sunny side of Trump. ..”

    1. ha ha fake news. depends on what you mean by “supporter”
      if you mean an independent that kind of likes his policies, but has a lot of Democrat relatives to appease, no

      if you mean a real supporter like out here in flyover, no, uh, real supporters of Trump dont bother talking to NYT reporters and the NYT reporters darn sure don’t call us. So what would they know anyhow.

        1. oh, it is. here read carl sandburg. sounds like the Heartland to me

          Hog Butcher for the World,
          Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat,
          Player with Railroads and the Nation’s Freight Handler;
          Stormy, husky, brawling,
          City of the Big Shoulders:

          They tell me you are wicked and I believe them, for I have seen your painted women under the gas lamps luring the farm boys.
          And they tell me you are crooked and I answer: Yes, it is true I have seen the gunman kill and go free to kill again.
          And they tell me you are brutal and my reply is: On the faces of women and children I have seen the marks of wanton hunger.
          And having answered so I turn once more to those who sneer at this my city, and I give them back the sneer and say to them:
          Come and show me another city with lifted head singing so proud to be alive and coarse and strong and cunning.
          Flinging magnetic curses amid the toil of piling job on job, here is a tall bold slugger set vivid against the little soft cities;
          Fierce as a dog with tongue lapping for action, cunning as a savage pitted against the wilderness,
          Building, breaking, rebuilding,
          Under the smoke, dust all over his mouth, laughing with white teeth,
          Under the terrible burden of destiny laughing as a young man laughs,
          Laughing even as an ignorant fighter laughs who has never lost a battle,
          Bragging and laughing that under his wrist is the pulse, and under his ribs the heart of the people,
          Laughing the stormy, husky, brawling laughter of Youth, half-naked, sweating, proud to be Hog Butcher, Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat, Player with Railroads and Freight Handler to the Nation.

          anyhow i don’t sleep in Crook county proper anymore, so there

    1. Mattis had a different view from the President regarding some of our allies but I believe his vantage point was much narrower than the President and I think that the President has already proven that his own vantage point was superior. Mattis knew this coming into the job yet the President interested in more views than his own gave him the position. During his time in office under the President tremendous attention was provided to the military.

      What is most amazing is that Anon1 reads CNN that decided to rewrite what Mattis wrote in his WSj article where the discussion of allies may have been only one sentence.What Mattis says about present and past Presidents doesn’t contain names either for Trump or his predecessor Obama but what Mattis does spend time on is quite different than the tenor of the CNN article which demonstrates why Anon is so ignorant of stated facts. I’ll quote from Mattis’s essay that involved his predecessor. He makes note of the difficulties encountered by the Secretary of Defense and the lack of support to our military prior to Trump’s becoming President.

      “In close quarters, I had gained a personal grasp of the immensity and gravity of a “secdef’s” responsibilities. The job is tough: Our first secretary of defense, James Forrestal, committed suicide, and few have emerged from the job unscathed, either legally or politically. …

      During my monthlong preparation for my Senate confirmation hearings, I read many excellent intelligence briefings. I was struck by the degree to which our competitive military edge was eroding, including our technological advantage. We would have to focus on regaining the edge. …

      I had been fighting terrorism in the Middle East during my last decade of military service. During that time, and in the three years since I had left active duty, haphazard funding had significantly worsened the situation, doing more damage to our current and future military readiness than any enemy in the field.”

      Later he made a statement that should be thought about by all especially the left: “Tribalism must not be allowed to destroy our experiment.”

      1. Since Anon has so much interest in the military I will quote Debra Heine’s essay.

        Former Army Captain Describes How SJW Policies Harm Military Readiness

        A former Army officer says former President Barack Obama’s social engineering policies did great harm to the U.S. military and the nation is still “paying a price” for it.

        Former U.S. Army Captain James Hasson—a decorated Afghanistan veteran and now a contributor to the Washington Examiner—appeared on Tucker Carlson Tonight Monday evening to talk about his new book, Stand Down: How Social Justice Warriors Are Sabotaging America’s Military.

        “The Army that I joined during Barack Obama’s first term was nothing like the Army that I left at the end of his second, Hasson said. “Social justice warriors imposed a progressive agenda on the military with no regard for the harm they caused to military readiness or national security. We’re still paying the price and the American people deserve to know.”

        “Traditionally conservatives believe that the left goes after the military by inadequately funding it—just not giving it enough money,” Carlson noted. “You describe in this book something that is far more sinister and effective where they basically try to rot it from the inside.”

        Hasson replied that the Left just has “a fundamentally different view of what the military is about.”

        As an example, he cited Barack Obama’s undersecretary of defense Brad Carson, who once said his goal was to make the Department of Defense “the nation’s most progressive employer.”

        “But the job of the military isn’t to be more woke than Apple or Google,” Hasson argued. “It’s to defend us all by preparing to fight and win the nation’s wars.”

        Hasson cited some examples to describe how he believes the left is undermining the military.

        “I think most Americans would be appalled to hear that [in] the Naval Academy—one of our premiere institutions—there are safe space signs outside instructors’ doors, military and civilian, saying that instructors have taken a sensitivity course called ‘Trans 101’ that is taught by contractors for Google.”

        continueed at:

        1. I should add that two twitter videos of Hasson’s interview are available at the end of the above article.

      2. Allan,
        Yes, I agree that these lines were the most critical part of his piece:

        “What concerns me most as a military man is not our external adversaries; it is our internal divisiveness. We are dividing into hostile tribes cheering against each other, fueled by emotion and a mutual disdain that jeopardizes our future, instead of rediscovering our common ground and finding solutions.

        All Americans need to recognize that our democracy is an experiment—and one that can be reversed. We all know that we’re better than our current politics. Tribalism must not be allowed to destroy our experiment.”

        1. Prairie Rose, we don’t have to constantly use generals as pawns to prove ideological points in the fashion of the left. General Mattis was a good general and helped the country restore the military. General Flynn was also a good general and served his country. Neither of them need to have opinions that conform to an ideology, in fact it is better that they don’t. The left doesn’t see it that way and that is why they have attempted to put Flynn in jail and tried to prove that Mattis and Trump couldn’t get along. They did get along for the purposes needed at the time and the military was rebuilt.

          The elected President is a civilian that we elected to promote a policy. Mattis need not conform to that policy but if it interfered with his job then he needed to resign. It is not a bad mark for Mattis or the President. What the news media did and continuously does is a bad mark on the news media.

  5. Credibility is a major public issue – NO ONE has it.

    Trump says supremely stupid things sometimes.

    He is also constantly misquoted or quoted out of context by a hostile press or the left, who has not done this kind of hostile fact checking on anyone before – and certainly do not hold themselves to the standards they expect of trump.

    In the end this is pretty simple. We all deal with people who spew nonsense all the time in the real world. We also deal with people who we can trust, who will be there when we need them.

    Rarely the two are even the same person.

    You can be offended by these types of misstatements by Trump.

    I would ask you – Do they matter ?

    Certainly we would all prefer Trump was always accurate.

    But does it matter ?

    I did not vote for Trump, and I am not likely to in 2020.

    At the same time, despite all the attacks on Trump’s “lies”, of every politician I have ever known in my life, of every president, he has made the most substantial effort to deliver – and quite often succeeded in delivering on his promises.

    Can you Trust Trump to do, or try to do what he promises ?

    I think the answer to that is an unequivocal yes. More so than any contender for public office ever.

    So you can listen to what Trump promises and decide whether that is what you want.
    If it is not – vote for someone else.
    If it is – you know who to vote for, and you can trust he will deliver on must of his promises and move mountains on those he does not.

    With respect to every single other person on any ballot you might see in 2020, you do not have that degree of trust or clarity.

    You do not have to agree with someone to trust them.
    You just have to beleive they will do what they say whether you want that or not.

    With respect to ever other 2020 presidential candidate – you can absolutely count on the fact that they will not deliver on any of their promises.

    For the vast majority that is a really really good thing. God forbid they should, we would all be in deep shit.

    1. John. putting aside your soft peddling of Trump’s daily recitations of lies, always intended to burnish his ego – he just tweeted again this morning the lie that Congress has approved $92 billion for Puerto Rico for hurricane damage, and it is not yet 7am – what has he tried and delivered on, other than yet another GOP rich guy tax cut and 2 SC nominees – how difficult and unique were those actions, given a GOP Congress for 2 years? Perhaps you mean his various executive actions, each ready to be reversed by the next WH occupant, no doubt accompanied by screams of outrage by GOP Congressmen, always vigilant about constitutional abuse as long as not performed by one of their own.

    2. This “Trump can deliver” message is so pathetic. Everything about Agent Orange is dreamed up by marking people because he’s nothing more than a failed businessperson who sold himself as a successful tycoon dealmaker turned reality TV performer. What, exactly, has he “delivered” besides a chaotic Administration with historic departures of cabinet members and agency heads, agencies ran by “acting” directors, one legislative achievement: tax cuts for the uber-wealthy who used the windfall to purchase stock options, caging of migrants, separation of migrant children from their parents, and making the US the laughingstock of the world?

      Yes, we know the “Promises Made…Promises Kept” banners have already been printed. So, now, when Trump keeps getting caught in lie after lie, the marketing message has shifted somewhat because you can only spin so much before even the disciples start losing faith: “well, you don’t have to agree with someone to trust them”. Ha! Keep reeling in the suckers.

      Try this one on: according to Laurence O’Donnell, he was contacted by someone close to Deutsche Bank who has seen Trump’s loan applications. Because of his multiple business failures, no US bank would loan him money without co-signers. The cosigners on Trump’s loans were Russian oligarchs with ties to Putin. O’Donnell concedes he hasn’t seen any documentation, so he cannot verify this tip, but it might explain a lot: for instance, why Trump fights to keep his tax returns and financial documents away from Congressional investigators; why he publicly sided with Putin and against American intelligence officials on the matter of Russian interference in the 2016 elections; why he pushed to try to force the G-7 conferees to readmit Russia; why he’s going to invite Putin to next year’s G-7, despite objections by other member countries; why he and Moscow Mitch won’t allow election security bills to go forward that would help ensure the integrity of the 2020 elections; and why his campaign fed insider polling information to Russians to direct them where to most-effectively target a deceitful social media campaign against Hillary Clinton.

      Also: this source said that Trump pays little to no income taxes, too. Would that shock you if it’s true?

      1. According to someone who knows Natacha, she has numerous promissory notes outstanding and never makes any attempt to pay them off.
        I concede I haven’t “seen any documentation”, but she has no basis for complaining about putting unsubstantiated accusations out there.

        1. O’Donnell made clear before and after reporting what he was told, that he does NOT have documentation. But, that may be forthcoming soon. However, no matter what it shows, it won’t matter to the disciples.

          1. Just as I made it clear the the nameless person who told me about Natacha stiffing her creditors provided no documentation. But I’ll report that as “news” anyway, just as O’Donnell reports “his” news.

      2. I am old enough to remember when Republicans said Jimmy Carter was so soft on Russians etc, that was bull then and this is bull now.

    3. trump lying about stuff can show up in markets like it turns out he made a fib about the “chinese called” — and yet the Chinese have made a moderating comment today and the market is up

      who knows how this will end —if the CCP goes too harsh on HK it could have unpredictable consequences. so far they are just suppressing the protests with modest means and a small amount of police violence. the protester have moved beyond impressive massive demonstrations and added their own measure of violence and vandalism to justify police repression. For the moment this is certainly a domestic matter to China within its range of lawful sovereignty, however much one might have sympathy for the concerns of the HK protesters. The modesty of this conflict, is good for that situation, where wise leadership on both sides should be careful and modest and slow. Otherwise, maybe BOOM …..bad for everyone.

      meanwhile, i hope the Taiwanese do not get too excited about the HK protests and think the time is ripe for them to make a belligerent declaration against Beijing. That would be destabilizing, horrible timing. I think the KMT party was wise in such things but they are now the minority party and some kind of more local type party is in the majority the ocalled pan green alliance.

      Last thing anybody should want know is a massive political collapse in Beijing or the danger of one that triggers foolish over reactions….. a steady evolution would be best. I’m hoping the trade war will be a modest win for America and total global destabilization is not the outcome. While America pursues its own proper ends, respect for other nations’ sovereignty is important as well.

      the good news is that Trump while strategically aggressive is not militarily belligerent. this is good for everyone at a delicate time. however untutored Trump may be in diplomacy, his experience in facility in business matters serves our country well at this important juncture.

  6. So now The AG is spending 30k at one of Trumps hotels. I believe this blog has lauded the AG as a fine attorney, and reputable person in the past. It has also lauded Michael Avenatti. At what point does a person loose credibility? I used to respect Mr. Turley but sadly those days are over.

    1. Certainly, JT owes his readers his reaction to these turn of events.

    2. so now we are worried about $30 thousand dollars in a massively larger discretionary budget? that is so incredibly lame you guys should be embarrassed to complain about it.

    3. “The AG is spending 30k at one of Trumps hotels.”

      Jeff, It’s his own money. What is the problem? Is this what you consider newsworthy?


    The ongoing affair between the nation’s top law enforcement agency and the news media resulted in another hookup last week when CNN announced the hiring of Andrew McCabe, the former deputy director of the FBI.

    McCabe, a vocal Trump foe who opened a criminal investigation into the sitting president of the United States in May 2017 during his short stint as acting director, was fired by the FBI last year for lying to federal investigators.

    He played a key role in concocting the Trump-Russia collusion hoax; wrote a book filled with animus toward the president; and remains under a grand jury investigation. Last week, McCabe’s lawyers met with federal prosecutors who are deciding whether to indict him for perjury.

    So, of course, CNN hired him last week….

  8. I literally just turned the TV off and felt 1000x better.

    ‘Tis true, ignorance is bliss when the circus comes to town.

  9. OT: “This email raises a lot of questions. Why would Chris Heinz distance himself from Hunter Biden’s decision to join Burisma’s board in an email to John Kerry’s senior staff at the State Department?” said Citizens United President David N. Bossie in a statement to the Washington Examiner. “It’s time for Joe Biden to answer questions about his family’s business in the Ukraine and what his own role was in those dealings.”

    More at:

    It seems the entire Obama Administration was corrupt. Who would think Joe Biden would be linked to this?

  10. Zero credibility.

    The Left have gone full bat sh!t crazy if that were even possible.
    Hopefully they will soon practice self-immolation



    CNN: ‘Our Ratings Are Only Tanking Because Trump Is Killing Off Viewers By The Millions’

    ATLANTA, GA—CNN host Brian Stelter blamed President Trump for the network’s falling ratings Sunday, accusing the president of killing millions upon millions of people that otherwise might have tuned into CNN.

    “If Trump weren’t killing off most of America by the millions, we’d still have a pretty solid viewer base,” Stelter bellowed at the three viewers watching Reliable Sources. “Airports, lobbies, waiting rooms, and gas station pumps are now playing CNN to absolutely no one, since Trump has killed them all.”
    A guest on Stelter’s show suggested that Trump has killed more people than Hitler, Mao, and Stalin put together, and Stelter had to agree. “I’d probably put his death count at somewhere near 7.7 billion,” he said after doing some simple math on one of those giant novelty calculators he keeps handy for such an occasion. “We can’t overstate the damage this president has done to this once-great news station.”
    After the segment blaming Trump for the deaths of millions and CNN’s subsequent decline, the station continued to air 24/7 Trump coverage, which mostly consisted of the hosts screaming at the sky.

    1. Anonymous – we can always depend on the Babylon Bee to come through in a pinch. 🙂



    First Turley presents a column in which Trump supporters are innocent victims of violent leftists. A presumably ‘patriotic’ man, barhopping with his wife, is assaulted for wearing a MAGA hat. Never mind that the man was pointing to his MAGA logo in a provocative manner. We’re supposed to believe that Trumpers live in fear of ‘leftist bullies’.

    But then, on this same morning, Turely runs a column that for all intents and purposes presents Donald Trump as a global mischief-maker whose credibility is seriously in doubt.

    Turley ends the column with these apt words: “Yet, the President himself shows a continuing lack of concern over the accuracy or truth of statements. That leaves the public with little ability to discern fact from fiction — a dangerous position for any democratic system”.

    Yes indeed, Donald Trump shows a shocking lack of concern for truth. Routinely Trump dismisses the truth as ‘Fake News’ while promoting falsehoods that are easily proven as such. Only a toxic mischief-maker would pursue this course. Trump’s clear intention is to instill a climate where fact and fiction are hopelessly blurred.

    Donald Trump is ‘gas-lighting’ America; deliberately confusing the public by waging war on truth. Arguably such a course amounts to treason. Trump is poisoning the well of America’s shared bonds. Therefore MAGA hats, Trump’s political signature, are as toxic as Trump himself.

    1. “Pointing to his MAGA hat in a provocative way” ?

      What does that even mean ?

      Is it an “assault” MAGA hat ? does it have a 15 round clip and a flash supresor ?

      Get a clue – you may not use force against another person except in self defense.

      You can not do so if they wear a hat, or don’t or “point at the hat provocatively”.

      I doubt anyone lives in fear of “left win bullies”. Regardless that is irrelevant.
      Just as it is irrelevant if you live in fear of MAGA hatted Trump supporters.

      You may do violence to others WHEN they initiate violence against you.
      Not before, not because of your fears or other feelings.

      No one is asking the left to “shut up” – though it would be a pleasant change if they had something intelligent to say.

      What we are DEMANDING, is that they cease using any excuses to justify immoral actions – such as violence.

      Self Defense, Defense of others, That is it. There are no other justifications for violence.

      If someone else’s hat offends you – wear your own hat that offends them.

      1. John, you’re too late. The guy in the MAGA hat has already been exposed as a fraud. He went out with the intention of starting a fight.

        1. This demonstrates the stupidity of most of Peter’s and leftist arguments. They create facts where no facts ever existed. Peter’s ideology is a faith based religion based on hate and the whims of the many Gods he prays to.

        2. “The guy in the MAGA hat has already been exposed as a fraud.”

          And we’re learning more about Andy Ngo, as well.

          “Right-wing “journalist” Andy Ngo outed: Video shows him hanging out with far-right hate group”

          “Ngo was embraced by Ted Cruz and interviewed by Jake Tapper. But maybe he was just an alt-right troll all along”

          1. “Kill them all. Stop fascism!!!!
            (hurls Molotov cocktails)

            — your friendly peaceful Antifa masked coward

          2. Anonymous – that makes Ngo “right-adjacent”, not alt-right. He spent a lot of time around Antifa which makes him Antifa-adjacent. So, he is both right and left adjacent.

          3. That wonderful mindless twit anonymous is still trying to justify an Antifa mob nearly killing another human being who was alone and unarmed.

            A violent twit anonymous is.

          4. what does that mean, “hanging out” with “Far right” is “hanging out” now a crime?

            can you have lunch or maybe a beer with somebody anymore without getting defamed over it? sheesh

            always guilt by association and innuendo with these clowns.

    2. Did Trump make a promise to you that you counted on when you voted for him ?

      Given that it is unlikely that you voted for him – I doubt it.

      But 65million people who did vote for him – as well as many like myself who did not are watching. We do not give a rats ass what Trump said about Mellania’s impression of Kim Un’s hanger oners.

      We are watching carefully to see whether President Trump keeps or tries to keep the promises that he Candidate Trump made.

      I am opposed to many of Trump’s promises,. I hoped that like all political candidates he was lying.

      But to an extent I have never seen in my life as a politician he has done a substantial portion of what he said he would do.

      God forbid any current democratic presidential candidate was that Trustworthy.
      The nation would collapse shortly after the election if that were so.

      Does Trump have a credibility problem ?

      You Tell me ? Is he building the wall ? Did he move the Israeli embassy to Jerusalem ? Are we getting out our soldiers out of the mideast like two decades of presidents have promised ? Is he standing up to China – whether that is wise or not ?
      Has he appointed exactly the supreme court justices he promised ?

      I think there is a massive credibility problem today – with everyone BUT Trump.

      Further what scares you about Trump is NOT that he “lies” all the time.
      What scares you is that he is going to do much of what he says he will.

      Is there anyone else in politics that you can say that about ?

      1. Achievements? Promises? Trump PROMISED Mexico would build the wall. It isn’t. He’s stealing money earmarked for other projects in a frantic attempt to create facts that his campaign can sell as a kept promise. If Mexico doesn’t pay for the wall, it’s not a kept promise. So far, 60 miles of border replacement wall has been built. Walls are not effective in stopping illegal immigration–it is medieval technology–arresting and prosecuting those who hire illegals is the only effective solution.

        Wow! How hard is it to move an embassy, and how, exactly, does that benefit the American people overall? What is required–signing an Executive Order? All that does is piss off Muslims because it is seen as symbolically supporting Israel over the Palestinian people whose roots in the region go just as deep. It’s none of America’s business to side with any group claiming rights in Jerusalem, and it hurts us in the long-run because we have to deal with other Muslim countries. As to decreasing troops, what skills or talents does that take? Signing an executive order? ISIS is resurging as we speak. We already know what that means.

        What does “standing up to China” mean? Unilaterally imposing tariffs that cost American consumers is no accomplishment at all. Stealing taxpayer money earmarked for other projects to subsidize farmers who are losing China’s business, in order not to lose their vote, is no accomplishment either. Brazil is ready, willing, and able to fill the void for soybeans, corn, pork and any other agricultural products China needs. That market may be lost forever. The same is true for automobiles–US automakers rely on components manufactured in China. Trump has no negotiating skills–he thinks he can push around the Chinese and they’ll buckle under. Well, they aren’t buckling, and they’ve imposed reciprocal tariffs, which could hurt US business.

        As to appointing SCOTUS judges, what talent does that take? A robot could do it. Moscow Mitch made certain that the Americans, who legally elected Barak Obama, were denied a say in replacing Scalia.

        None of the things you listed required any special talent or skills, because any Republican POTUS with a Sharpie could sign an Executive Order and therefore could have done these things.

        Then, there’s N. Korea–they not only haven’t denuclearized, they’re building a nuclear submarine. But, he sends Trump love letters and Melania, who has never met him can vouch for him, so it’s all good.

        What scares people about Trump is the simple fact that he is a malignant narcissist–everything he does is about him–personal aggrandizement, attention, adulation, praise, glory. Truth is, he is emotionally fragile and unstable, and he’s behind in the polls, so he’s told his administration to push to construct a wall, ignoring environmental laws and private property rights, if necessary, promising a pardon. Anything to make him look good. He flew off the handle and jacked up the percentage of tariffs against China in a temper tantrum. He stalked out of last year’s G-8 in a huff because he didn’t get his way. He is no consensus-builder, which is an essential skill for anyone hoping to succeed in any endeavor requiring people working together toward a common goal. He won’t listen to experienced people on diplomacy, military matters, intelligence or anything else because they know better than he does and he’s jealous. As his approval numbers continue to slide, he’ll get more desperate, and he’s just liable to try to start a war if he thinks it will help him. His mental illness makes him dangerous. The lying is just one symptom. Then, there’s his ties to Putin, and the findings of the Mueller Report. He needs to go.

        1. “Walls are not effective in stopping illegal immigration–it is medieval technology”

          A number of walls and barriers have been built in the recent decades in different places in the world and they seem to have worked.


      Trump IS toxic- to the enemies of the People!

      And he is mischievious. He is a figure like the Trickster, Loki

      Loki engineered the building of what?

      The Walls of Asgard


      “Loki and Svadilfari” by Dorothy Hardy (1909)

      Asgard, the celestial stronghold of the Aesir tribe of gods and goddesses, is encircled by a high, protective wall. This wall (the -garðr element in the Old Norse name Ásgarðr) defends the Aesir from incursions by the giants and other beings who are often the enemies of the gods. But this wall wasn’t always there. This tale recounts how the wall was built – and this riotous story is probably one of the raunchiest and most scandalous tales in all of world mythology.

      The Fortification of Asgard

      A certain smith arrived at Asgard one day and offered to build the gods a high wall around their home to protect them from any who might wish them ill. The smith (certainly a giant himself) said he could complete his work in a mere three seasons, but demanded a steep compensation: the hand of the goddess Freya in marriage, as well as the sun and moon.

      The gods took counsel together. Freya was adamantly against the giant’s terms from the start. But Loki suggested that the builder should obtain that which he desired, although only if he could complete his work in a single winter, with no aid from anyone but his horse. After much deliberation, the gods consented to Loki’s plan. Of course, the gods had no intention of actually giving Freya away, nor the sun or the moon; they thought that the task they demanded was impossible.

      The giant smith, however, agreed to their terms, provided that the gods swear oaths to ensure that, if their conditions were met, they would fulfill their end of the bargain, and that he himself would be safe in Asgard while he worked.

      The builder set about constructing the wall, and the gods marveled at how quickly the structure was raised. What was even more perplexing to them was that the giant’s stallion, Svadilfari (“Unlucky Traveler”[1]) seemed to be doing almost twice as much work as the smith himself, hauling enormous boulders over considerable distances to add to the edifice. When the end of winter was only three days ahead, the wall was strong enough to be impenetrable by almost any enemy, and – alarmingly – lacking little before it was finished. Only the stones around the gate had yet to be put in place.

      The anxious gods seized Loki and rebuked him for giving them such foul advice. They threatened him with death if he couldn’t find a way to prevent the giant from finishing his task and making off with their beloved goddess Freya and the sun and moon, bringing neverending darkness and dreariness to the Nine Worlds. Loki pleaded with the gods to spare his life, and swore an oath that he would do as the gods desired, come what may.

      That night, the giant and Svadilfari ventured into the snow-draped forest in search of stones. Along their way, a mare, who was none other than Loki in disguise, whinnied to the stallion from a short distance away. When the stallion saw the mare, his heart wasn’t the only organ that was roused by delight and lust, and he snapped his reins and bounded into the woods after her. The mare ran all night, and all night Svadilfari chased after her. When morning came, the giant’s horse was still missing, and the now-despairing giant knew that there was no way that he could now finish the wall in time.

      The Aesir then paid the giant the wages they deemed he deserved: a fatal blow from Thor’s hammer, which shattered his head into pieces no bigger than breadcrumbs.

      Meanwhile, deep in the forest, Svadilfari had caught up with Loki, who soon gave birth to a gray, eight-legged horse – Sleipnir, who became the steed of Odin.[2][3][4]

  12. What JonTurl said Trump said:
    Trump enlisted First Lady Melania Trump to vouch for his view that North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un is a person with tremendous potential after spending time with him.”

    What Trump said:
    “”Kim Jong Un — who I’ve gotten to know extremely well; the first lady has gotten to know Kim Jong Un, and I think she’d agree with me — he is a man with a country that has tremendous potential,”

    Whats the difference? Sounds like someone said Trump said something Trump didn’t say.

    JonTurl then goes on to say Trump said something that Trump said he didn’t say, but others did say Trump said.

    Sounds like people are saying thing Trump didn’t say, and when he denies it, they point to other things that other people said Trump said that Trump said he didn’t say.

    Ok, this is beginning to sound like a Dr. Suess lyrical screed.

    1. 🙂 Well Turley did say I truly do not know the truth of this matter and that disturbs me a great deal. That seems to describe anti-Trumpers to a tee.

    2. How could Melania have “…gotten to know Kim Jong Un”, whom she’s never even met? The WH spokeswoman acknowledged this to be true, but tried to spin the facts into the idea that she agrees with Trump’s assessment about Kim Jong Un. To be told things about someone you’ve never met is far from getting to know that person and being above to vouch for them.

      The bigger question, as Turley raised is: why does Trump lie all of the time, even about things that are unimportant? Why does he squander the credibility of the Office of POTUS, something that his predecessors considered precious?

      1. “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance. The Affordable Care Act will save the average American family $2500 a year.”

        We took advantage of the stupidity of the American public to get Obamacare passed.

        It was a spontaneous demonstration against a video.

        Yeah, credibility was precious to the Obama Administration.

        To criticize credibility issues is fair. To claim that it was precious to previous administrations is ludicrous.

        1. Karen, this is the lamest of false equivalencies. Obama may have been overly optimistic about ACA. But to hear Trumpers tell it, Obama was spreading evil lies.

          The truth is Obama was naive about Republicans. He honestly didn’t think Republicans (and the Koch Bros) would devote such extraordinary efforts to sabotaging ACA. Consequently the program was never exactly like Obama envisioned.

          But Trumpers keep claiming that Obama was a pathological liar for being overly optimistic about ACA. And somehow that justifies the thousands of falsehoods promoted by Donald Trump. Like Trump has a right to lie every day because Obama wasn’t honest about ACA.

          It’s a case of ‘What Aboutism’ taken to extremes. And Karen almost all your comments feature ‘What Abouts’. Like you honestly believe What Abouts are an effective form of debating. It illustrates how rightwing media dumbs people down.

          1. Was Obama Spreading Lies ?

            What of Warren, Biden, Harris, Sanders, …. right now ?

            They are all making promises we know they will not keep.
            That we thank god that if elected they will NOT be able to keep.

            The very best face that can be put on ACA is that it was an enormous amount of political capital and effort and Trillions of our money to accomplish NOTHING.

            It is arguably possible, to say that ACA did not make things worse.
            It is not arguable that on net it made anything better in any substanitive way. Today it exists as a vestige of itself – almost meaningless.

            And the proof of the lack of consequence of ACA is that it is gone in all but name and none of us notice.

            Nor can you blame republicans. ACA was far less than what was promised from the start. It only survived – barely to the end of Obama’s term – not because republicans opposed, but because Obama went way outside the law to prop it up. Republicans tried repeatedly and failed to get rid of it.

            We were promised if they succeeded they would be driven out of office.
            They did not succeed – and yet they did.
            As I said, barely more than the name remains.

            So was Obama Spreading Lies ?

            At the very least he was selling snake oil.
            We spent more than a Trillion dollars and have nothing to show for it.

            1. to be fair I think the government sponsored health care exchanges for shopping plans was a great idea

              it was a big law with a lot of moving parts, i can’t fault Obama for the effort. Health care insurance is already heavily bureaucratic, already heavily regulated, insurers already have “death panels” ie utilization studies and guidelines and committees, all the subsidy programs and regulations create huge market distortions, public health can become an emergency very quickly with infectious diseases,… overall, it’s a very complex matter.

              So, I still find it perplexing that some Republicans make a totem out of that thing.

          2. Oh Cut this delusional crap.

            When you are not ranting about Trump – as a hateful, hating hater,
            And you actually directly address issues of government and politics you are fighting tooth and nail to thwart absolutely everything that Trump is trying to do.

            And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

            When we start discussing government we are INHERENTLY talking about the use of force against others.

            That should be REALLY REALLY hard. We do not want to execute serial killers – unless we are SURE beyond a reasonable doubt.

            We do not want to take peoples liberty, their property or their money – unless we are REALLY REALLY sure.

            It is irrelevant who opposed Obama and why – so long as that opposition was to what Obama was trying to accomplish using government.

            Just as you are not in anyway obligated to agree with what Trump is trying to accomplish, no one else it obligated to agree with what Trump is doing.

            Further – left, right, we would ALL be much better off if it was even HARDER for government to act.

            We can debate issues – I may or may not agree with you, but I am not free to impose my will on you using force, nor are you.

            To get to use force – you must PERSUADE the overwhelming majority of people – whether you are Trump or Obama.

            Where the left today – and for a long time goes off the rails is not with regard to disagreement over the issues.

            It is that you go WAY beyond debating the isuses – infact the left almost never discusses the issues.

            What the left does is SLUR their opponents.

            I think that one of the reasons that Trump won the GOP nomination is that voters KNEW the 2016 election was going to be one long left and media fueled continuous rant about how everyone who disagrees is a hatefule hating hater, racist, transphobic, mysoginst – in a world a “deplorable”.

            You did that to McCain, you did that to Romney, you always do that.

            But Trump punches back.

            I do not like Trump all that much. I did not vote for him.

            But I get “secret” pleasure everytime he slams one of you pompous asses who are unable to do anything except defame others.

            Yes, You can find Fred Phelps on the right – though he is dead.
            But the WBC was ALWAYS on the far fringe.

            The intolerant racist hatemongers today are pretty much the entire left.

            LOTS of people fought with Obama over policies.
            They are to be celebrated. If you want to use government – aka FORCE, you must overcome all arguments.

            I know those on the left Oppose what Trump wants to do.
            But based on listening – I do not know why.

            The reasons given are not about what he is right, or wrong, why what he is trying to do will succeed or fail, why it is legal or constitutional or not.

            What I hear is that everything he wishes to do is racist, hateful, homophobic Transphobic.

            An I have no doubt that whatever the issue – if you and I disagree – you are going to be saying the same things about me.

            Win your agrements on facts, logic and reason – that is what the Koch’s engaged in. There are way too few on the left who even attempt that.

          3. Hill – no, Obama was not overly optimistic. The authors of Obamacare deliberately lied, and admitted it later. Even Obama admitted it. Why are you not aware?

            That’s one the ways the whole “stupidity of the American people” came up. One of the authors was discussing how they deliberately used impenetrable language to trick voters. They also admitted that they knew Obamacare would make health care more expensive.

            It was never designed to save the average American family any money. It was designed to cost a lot more, to cover the subsidies.

            It was immoral to take affordable health care away from one group to try to grant it to another. Plus, all the latter got was insurance, not the same access to high quality health care that employees get.

            These were the lies heard round the world…lies that led to the deaths of Americans who lost coverage that previously was accepted at top cancer hospitals.

            I did not provide this example as a “Whataboutism”. Rather, it directly rebuts the claim that predecessors cherished credibility. They most certainly did not.

            1. Karen is the one lying, but probably not smart enough to know it since she copies whatever her right wing handlers feed her.

              Anyone who thinks any president – including Nixon – lied as regularly and without knowledge – he doesn’t care what is true – as Trump is substandard as a functioning human. A normal kid can see what these people miss about their cult leader.

              1. Anon of the party of tolerance just called me a mentally handicapped liar, rather than simply explain why he disagreed. Dissent is not to be tolerated, apparently.

                This sort of ad hominem in place of discussion drives people away from the Democrat Party. It truly is off-putting.


                1. Karen, you are demonstrably either mentally handicapped or a lying propagandist – maybe both. The former is the more charitable description of your postings, but given the Obama/Israeli election BS you were selling, probably too charitable.

                  1. “Karen, you are demonstrably either mentally handicapped or a lying propagandist – maybe both.”
                    Why so unkind to Karen? It makes you look bad, not her. Karen’s erudite and just because you vehemently disagree doesn’t mean you have to be vehement.

                2. Karen: Let’s just see some articles from a recognizable, mainstream source that confirms your assertion that Obama and the designers of Obamacare deliberately sought to make healthcare ‘more expensive’. It takes audacity to make such an assertion while calling Obama a liar.

                  1. Hill, I have posted the links before but will provide them again in a series.

                    “This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes. If CBO [Congressional Budget Office] scored the mandate as taxes, the bill dies. Okay, so it’s written to do that. In terms of risk rated subsidies, if you had a law which said that healthy people are going to pay in – you made explicit healthy people pay in and sick people get money, it would not have passed… Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really really critical for the thing to pass….Look, I wish Mark was right that we could make it all transparent, but I’d rather have this law than not.”

                    The YouTube video link won’t paste from my cell. I’ll try again at home. The above was from Gruber.


                      Jonathan Gruber on deliberately writing Obamacare in a way to create a lack of transparency, to take advantage of the “stupidity of the American voter.” He also briefly touches on its purpose – to increase the cost for healthy people in order to subsidize more poor people joining.

                    2. In Obama’s own words, how he would save the average family $2500 per year.


                      Senator Crapo sent forth a bill that would have required Obama to stand by his pledge not to increase taxes. He was defeated. The mandate was ruled a tax by the Supreme Court. After claiming (and you can hear Obama below) that it was not a tax or a tax increase, he then directed lawyers to argue before the SCOTUS that the mandate was, indeed, a tax increase, among many other tax increases in the ACA.


                    3. Obama apologizing that people lost their insurance plans after he promised they could keep them. See CNN video.


                      Speaking as someone who lost my PPO, I went from having a plan that covered everything, and was accepted by every doctor I ever went to, to an Obamacare plan that was as expensive as a second mortgage, and was accepted by exactly zero of the doctors that I went to for the duration. I paid through the roof and got nothing for it.

                    4. Here’s what the American public does not seem to understand. In order to subsidize more people, the unsubsidized have to pay more. In order to remove the copays from services, the unsubsidized have to pay more. Rather than paying $5 for birth control, only for those who want it, now everyone has to pay more so that there are 26 forms available without a copay.

                      Another money maker was forcing people to bundle pediatric dental insurance. When I had it, it was impossible to say no. It was included in my medical. That medical had a huge deductible (I believe it was $6,000 to start, now $12,000). Pediatric dental benefits did not kick in until and unless that deductible was satisfied. So, I was forced to pay for a bundled pediatric dental insurance that would only provide a benefit if there was some sort of catastrophe earlier in the year.

                      HuffPo and CNN both covered Obama’s lie of the year.

                      Below is Ezekial Emmanual explaining that premium increases impact the unsubsidized. He is as supportive of the ACA as possible, and uses ploys such as lumping in the subsidized with the unsubsidized to try to minimize increases.


                      The more subsidized Obamacare recipients are in a state, the lower the percentage increase in premiums, obviously. A more accurate figure would be to study the rate of increase among only the unsubsidized.


                      “Rate Shock. In 2014, the first year of full implementation of the Title I provisions governing health insurance, Americans enrolled in the exchanges experienced premium rate shocks. Based on the data in the individual market over the 2013 to 2014 period, enrollees’ 2014 premiums, reflecting the new mandates and regulations, generally increased in most states of the Union, though increases varied:

                      For 27-year-olds, premiums in 11 states more than doubled;
                      For 50-year-olds, there was a premium increase of 50 percent or more in 13 states; and
                      In 14 states, premium increases were more modest: between none and 25 percent.[39]
                      Within the ACA exchanges, narrow network plans also flourished—an unpleasant surprise for patients who wanted broader access to doctors and other medical professionals.[40]”

                      I have repeatedly explained what the rate of growth decline actually means. If your premium goes from $1 to $2, you experienced a 100% increase, but the difference was an affordable $1. However, if your rate experienced some gargantuan leaps under the ACA, until the final increase was from $10,000 to $12,000, that was “only” a 20% increase. One could argue that the ACA was helping people by reducing the rate of increase. However, the difference was $12,000. That’s quite a difference between the two examples.

                      The major rate increase have already hit. Now rates are still increasing, but when you compare them with the already jacked up rates of the previous year, the percentage hit was less than what occurred a few years earlier.

                      Politicians who are either unscrupulous, or ignorant, proudly point to that 20% increase, in our example, and claim they are saving Americans money, but the net difference is unaffordable, and they already jacked the rate up over and over again, until finally thousands of dollars of increase is considered not too bad.

                      Any increase in a relatively low, affordable premium, would be a higher percentage than an increase of thousands of dollars in a premium that already costs thousands a year now. (See my example comparing a $1 annual premium with a $10,000 premium). This is just math, and when people don’t understand math, they get taken advantage of.

                    6. “As for the longer-term impact of the ACA, the notion that the law would result in a downward “bending of the cost curve” was always fanciful. Simultaneously “bending the cost curve” downward and increasing insurance enrollment and government subsidies would have been a neat trick[79] for a law that created new federal entitlements and thus became a powerful engine of massive future federal spending. In their very first report on the impact of the law in 2010, analysts with the CMS Office of the Actuary estimated that in 10 years, national health spending would increase by an estimated $311 billion more than it would have increased if the law had not been enacted.[80]”

                      “The law authorizes $715 billion in the form of Medicare payment reductions over the next 10 years.[106] It is logically impossible to cut payments for Medicare services without affecting seniors who depend on those services.

                      On April 22, 2010, in his very first assessment of the impact of the law, CMS Chief Actuary Richard S. Foster reported that the law’s Medicare provider payment cuts would make 15 percent of hospitals and other Medicare Part A health care providers unprofitable and “jeopardize” seniors’ access to care.[107] On August 10, 2010, Office of the Actuary analysts revised these initial estimates, claiming that 25 percent of Medicare providers could face “negative” profit margins by 2030 and 40 percent could face negative profit margins by 2050. The analysts said that many Medicare providers would not be able to sustain such losses and would have to withdraw from the program.[108]

                      For the past five years, the CMS Actuary, with few modifications, has reconfirmed this negative outlook for the ACA’s impact on Medicare access. In their 2015 report, the Medicare Trustees largely echoed the Actuary’s concerns about the impact of the payment reductions and seniors’ access to care: “By 2040, simulations suggest that approximately half of hospitals, 70 percent of skilled nursing facilities, and 90 percent of home health agencies would have negative total facility margins, raising the possibility of access and quality of care issues for Medicare beneficiaries.”[109]”


                      At the time that Obama was promising he would save families $2500, the CBO acknowledged that the design of the ACA would cause rate increases.

                    7. Bill Clinton on Obamacare:


                      “Craziest thing in the world”

                      “the people who are getting killed in this deal are the small business people and individuals that make a little too much to qualify for subsidies.”

                  2. Hill – it’s not that Obama wanted to increase premiums and deductibles just for the fun of it. It’s that he lied about the increases, losing their insurance, and losing their doctors, in order to get it to pass.

                    There is literally no way to subsidize more people, and remove the copay from so many services, also adding a lot of forms of birth control to already comprehensive private insurance plans, without making the non subsidized pay more.

                    Instead of paying $5 copay for birth control pills, or a small copay for a physical or Pap, now the non subsidized are significantly worse off, financially.

                    It’s math.

                    Who cares if it’s not called a copay, but rather a premium and deductible increase. You are literally worse off if you have to pay a $12,000 deductible, instead of a $500 deductible with a $5 copay for birth control.

                    The American people have got to be more savvy when they vote, because Obamacare caused serious and lasting financial and physical harm. You are to recall that many top cancer hospitals are out of network for Obamacare policies. That vote meant that someone with cancer was denied the best care, and the best chance at remission. You have got to see through all the slick promises and excuses by Democrat politicians trying to get votes. Look at consequences.

                    It is immoral to take away affordable health care (and access to cancer treatment hospitals) from one group in order to give another group insurance, with a network so narrow the best doctors won’t accept it anyway.

                    1. Karen, there’s an old saying that any fool can find a Bible verse to back up their beliefs. That saying has been updated for the 21st Century. It now reads: ‘Any fool can find a YouTube Video to back up their beliefs’. And every fool does!

                      The 9/11 Truther’s, for instance, will post a smattering of videos to back up their conspiracies. People into conspiracies rely on YouTube videos. And your conention that Obama deliberately sought to surge the cost of healthcare sounds like a crackpot conspiracy.

                      So I’m not surprised you can’t show me recognizable mainstream news links to support your contentions. It doesn’t have to be the New York Times or Washington Post.

                      It could be The Chicago Tribune Houston Chronicle, Forbes, Fortune or Time Magazine. A recognizable source where one can locate, in the opening paragraphs, clues that support your assertions.

                      But if you can’t find simple, mainstream links to back up your assertions, it indicates your arguement is not easily supported. And that’s where YouTube videos come in. One can find videos to support ‘any’ argument.

                      Said videos are often disguised as clips from mainstream newscasts. But they aren’t distributed by the networks in question. Yet the logos of those networks might be prominent to deceive viewers. I’ve seen enough of these videos to know how that all works.

                      And finally, no one cares to spend 40 minutes watching videos of questionable value. That’s a calculation people make when posting endless videos. They’re betting the other person has no mind to watch them. It’s a safe bet because most people won’t. They’ll just not reply; creating the illusion ‘you won the argument’.

                    2. Typically Karen gives us the right wing version – of in this case – a complex issue and decries as immoral a law which extended health care to millions of Americans previously not covered.

                      1. Thanks to a GOP SC and GOP party unable to come up with an alternative a decade after promising one, the law has been crippled in significant ways which impact it’s ability to provide more competitive plans through exchanges, originally a conservative idea created at the Heritage Foundation to save private insurance.

                      2. The number of those not able to “keep their doctor” is small and mostly those on junk plans offering sub standard coverage for a low fee that did not and could not meet the new minimum standards. The ACA did not actively cancel anyone’s plan.

                      3. The hyper increases in premiums and deductibles did not begin with the ACA and anyone paying attention would have known this. In fact premium increases have slowed since the ACA.

                      4. Medicare coverage for seniors was not changed under the ACA and the “$716 billion” fight was fully vetted in the 2012 election. These were cuts in payments to Medicare providers, something the GOP had and has been trying to do for years, and was based on ACA cost saving measures some of which have been effective and others which need strengthening..

                      When Democrats take control again, the popular ACA will be strengthened and improved, including the always weak cost containment elements but now doubly so from GOP sabotage.

                    3. oh boy hill you are right that long videos are not always a good reply
                      and of course some conspiracy mongers will post lots of garbage

                      but i am not sure I will ever believe that WTC collapsed because…. a building next to it got hit by an airplane, which debris triggered a fire which burned on a few of the 47 floors for a while,,,, which lead to a precipitous simultaneous collapse of all the vertical support columns and a freefall landing on its own footprint.

                      in honor of you complaining about karen I will post my favorite 9/11 truth video, “this is an orange”


                      I only ask a questions, I don’t know the answer.

                    4. Karen S,
                      You included video footage of statemen by Obama, Bill Clinton, and Jonathan Gruber about ObamaCare. But those videos were not delivered to Hill by the MSM, so Hill rejects them. Or compares them to randomly picking out Bible verses; maybe distorting the words of Hill’s gods.
                      To possibly satisfy Hill, see if a MSM publication like the New York Times or the Washington Post will vouch for the authenticity of the videos you posted, and communicate directly to Hill that they are genuine.
                      Hill will probably find another weak excuse to deny the significance of those videos, but at least we can watch him squirm for a while thinking up another excuse.

                    5. Hill:

                      Reread what I wrote.

                      “One of the authors was discussing how they deliberately used impenetrable language to trick voters. They also admitted that they knew Obamacare would make health care more expensive.

                      It was never designed to save the average American family any money. It was designed to cost a lot more, to cover the subsidies.”

                      The source on the impenetrable language was the horse’s mouth. You can hear him, in his own words, discuss how this was deliberate, and why they did it. If you want an even more reputable horse than an admission of guilt, on camera, by one of the perpetrators, then I’m at a loss, or you’re just playing games.

                      I have also explained, through numerous sources, how and why Obamacare’s design causes health care to be more expensive.

                      What did you expect? A bunch of free stuff? Nothing is free. If you choose to use language like “crackpot”, then it is a crackpot idea that you could subsidize more people, remove copays for certain medications and procedures, without raising the cost of the unsubsidized.

                      Math is not emotional.

                      When you ask for sources, and then admit that you did not watch the videos of the originators supporting what I have described, then you can’t handle the truth.

                      This is sad, because you will continue to vote in willful ignorance. The truth is laid out in front of you. You are responsible for the consequences of your actions, and your vote, whether you shut your eyes, plug your ears, and hum, or whether you face it.

                    6. “Reread what I wrote.”

                      Karen, do you think that what anyone writes has any effect on Peter? He has been given this proof and more over and over again and if it goes against his ideological masters your proof won’t matter even if by accident it was published in the Washington post. If he were an honest man he would respond to your proofs but he is not.

              2. Anon, Karen provided a bunch of substantial verified Obama lies and you don’t bother providing a similar list. Why? You can’t defend the cr-p you write. This type of rhetoric shows what you are over and over again.

                1. “Typically Karen gives us the right wing version”. And of course anon1 always gives us objective, non-partisan versions. Right.

          1. *****For Those of You Suffering From Amnesia Or Rely on Democrat Media, a (Non-Exhaustive) List of Obama Lies*****

            Fast and Furious
            “There is no spying on Americans” (Enter Snowden)
            Targeting conservatives
            Lied about putting health care negotiations on C-SPAN
            Lied about giving taxpayer dollars to campaign contributors and lobbyists, claiming it was for green energy (Solyndra was a huge donor)
            Claimed the Black Panthers with their clubs were not using voter intimidation
            Lied about claiming to know more about Judaism than any other president
            Said that Obamacare would give everyone the same kind of insurance that he and Senator McCain enjoyed
            “More young black men languish in prison than attend colleges and universities across America”
            “We signed into law the biggest middle-class tax cut in history”
            “90 percent of the budget deficit is due to George W. Bush’s policies”
            “If you like your health-care plan, you can keep it”
            “The Capitol Hill janitors just got a pay cut”
            “The day after Benghazi happened, I acknowledged that this was an act of terrorism”
            “I didn’t call the Islamic State a ‘JV’ team”
            “Republicans have filibustered 500 pieces of legislation”
            “The Keystone pipeline is for oil that bypasses the United States”
            “We have fired a whole bunch of people who are in charge of these [VA] facilities”
            “more than 90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States.” (Actually, this only measured firearms that Mexico sent to the US for tracing)
            “neighborhoods where it’s easier for you to buy a handgun and clips than it is for you to buy a fresh vegetable.” (“Obama never offered a single example of a locale where carrots are rarer than .38 Specials.”)

            If we are going to apply the same rubric of counting misrepresentations to both Obama and Trump, then each and every time that Obama repeated these lies would count. Considering many were voiced on the campaign trail, that would make the tally extensive.



            Now, these are just a few of Obama’s lies. We’re not even going into his actions, such as nominating Timothy Geithner, who cheated on their taxes six times to head the government agency that enforces the tax laws

            1. I can answer most of these without looking them up, by why bother. As I stated above, you have to be substandard as a functioning human to not get that Trump doesn’t care what is true and what is not as long as pumps his ego and no modern president including Nixon lied as regularly and with concern as this scumbag. Cult followers like Karen won’t get it for a few years, at which point she’l be making excuses or denying she was a follower.

              By the way, Karen was proven to be a liar herself when her false claim about Obama “doing everything he could” to interfere in an Israeli election was demonstrated to be false here and she just doubled down, not woman enough to own a mistake. That makes her a liar and not someone to be trusted on the subject.

              1. i dont believe Obama was trying hard to interfere with an israeli election

                I think it’s CIA and their kissing cousins at State Dept who decide which elections America is going to interfere with not the POTUS, lol

                1. Kurtz, just one item from the Washington Examiner: Do you need more?

                  By Stephen Dinan – The Washington Times – Tuesday, July 12, 2016
                  The State Department paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxpayers grants to an Israeli group that used the money to build a campaign to oust Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in last year’s Israeli parliamentary elections, a congressional investigation concluded Tuesday.

                  Some $350,000 was sent to OneVoice, ostensibly to support the group’s efforts to back Israeli-Palestinian peace settlement negotiations. But OneVoice used the money to build a voter database, train activists and hire a political consulting firm with ties to President Obama’s campaign — all of which set the stage for an anti-Netanyahu campaign, the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations said in a bipartisan staff report.

                  In one stunning finding, the subcommittee said OneVoice even told the State Department’s top diplomat in Jerusalem of its plans in an email, but the official, Consul General Michael Ratney, claims never to have seen them.
                  He said he regularly deleted emails with large attachments — a striking violation of open-records laws for a department already reeling from former Secretary Hillary Clinton’s handling of official government records.
                  Mr. Netanyahu survived the election, and the U.S. spending was not deemed illegal because the State Department never put any conditions on the money. Investigators also said OneVoice didn’t turn explicitly political until days after the grant period ended.

                  Based on population that is the equivalent of 8-9million dollars. Compare that to what the Russians spent in the US on both sides of the aisle.

              2. Anon – it was stated that credibility was precious to previous administrations. Obviously, that was not the case.

                Of course pointing out the statement was erroneous in no way excuses anyone’s wrongdoing.

                Catch up.

                1. Karen, normal humans – not so fast – can tell a BS artist in an hour or less. What’s your excuse.

                  Your examples of supposed Obama lies was itself a mash of false hoods – some of which I’ve already schooled you on. Make it worth my while some how – appealing to your reason is obviously not possible – and I’ll do it again.

                  1. Anon – there was no substantive argument in your post.

                    More insults. You are a complete waste of my time.

                    Is that to be your legacy? You insulted as many people as you could? What are you learning or accomplishing?

                    What a waste of spirit.

              3. Anon – the “everything he could” was from an article which presented the facts of US interference.

                In fact, when asked, I pointed out that the particular phrase in the article was hyperbole. “Anything he could” would have been an assassination attempt, bomb, etc.

                This was in addition to the article where Bill Clinton admitted to interfering.

                Israel was rather upset with Obama, et al. The organization was run by Hamas. The State Department again deleated emails. The reason why Congress found State negligent but the organization not criminally liable is because it placed no stipulation on the funding not being used to topple Netenyahu. State also claimed it just didn’t read emails clearly outlining their dastardly plans, forgot their own conversations and, darn the luck, just so happened to have deleted a lot of relevant email correspondence.

                This was one of numerous articles I posted to rebut your ludicrous claim that we don’t interfere in elections and governments. The Shah would have differed, as would Afghanistan, etc.

                It appears that you had no problem with our interference in elections around the globe.

                You may disagree with my position, but to call me a liar is a malicious falsehood. Perhaps this routine for you, because it appears to be a very bad habit.

                If you actually believe that the United States does not insert itself or interfere in foreign politics than learn more about it.

                Calling everyone who disagrees with you vile names is wrong.

            2. OK, I’ll ask: are you being paid to post these comments? Where did you get this list? I know you didn’t come up with it.
              “targeting conservatives”–for what? You don’t even know what a conservative is because you think you are one. Look up what a true conservative, George Will, has to say on the topic of why Trump and his passionate disciples like you aren’t conservatives. All of this fits in with the new strategy of trying to deflect away from the constant, daily lying Trump engages in because eventually the sheer amount of lies will cause even the disciples to have doubts. The next thing will be to argue that Trump kept his promises because the banners have already been printed.

              Regardless, Trump is a pathological liar and a narcissist, and HE is the one in the White House now. Nothing that Obama ever uttered excuses Trump’s endless lying. That is just a pivot and it is disingenuous. We are looking to the future, not the past, and alleged lies by predecessor do not constitute a license for a POTUS to lie. HIs arrogance is nauseating. Obama won his 2 elections without cheating, much less with the help of a foreign adversary that he may well be beholden to. Trump defers to murderous dictators. Obama was, and still is, respected by world leaders. Trump is not. Obama did not set a record for disapproval ratings; Trump did. Trump lied to get out of military service and insults war heroes. He never had any plan for health coverage, much less one superior to Obamacare. Trump abuses migrants and their children by establishing concentration camps and holding them in inhumane conditions merely for seeking asylum, which they have the legal right to request. He is now trying to evade a court order limiting the time small children can be detained, solely as a deterrent. He never had any reasonable plan for dealing with illegal immigration, other than the lie about Mexico paying to build a wall, which he never had any reason to believe would happen. He thought his bluster and arrogance would carry the day. It won’t. He’s trying this tactic on China. It’s not working.

              I won’t even bother to go through the list of agency heads with conflicts, histories of domestic abuse, or just plain unqualified due to lacking in basic subject matter knowledge and/or experience necessary to carry out the agency’s mission.

              Oh, and if the source from Deutche Bank is correct, Trump has paid little to no taxes for years. We know that won’t faze you.

              1. Natacha has again made false statements about me. She periodically claimed in the past that I must be paid to post in the comments section of a legal blog (?!) when she cannot address facts. Of course it’s not true.

                Never go to a source who savagely and without reason hates someone to find out what they stand for.

                Anything Natacha writes about any of us can be dismissed as the fevered fantasy of a disordered mind. One has only to skim through her frantic posts to gain an appreciation for the tangled, frenetic tenor of her thoughts. It’s very strange.

                1. Anything Natacha writes about any of us can be dismissed as the fevered fantasy of a disordered mind.

                  Well welcome aboard shipmate!

                2. I have been telling you to ignore Natacha, Peter Shill, Anon1, and all of the other the paid trolls for weeks. Me thinks you have way too much spare time on your hands much like Allan, Kurtz and others

                  Please get involved with people in need in your midst. Time on here is truly wasted. I rarely post on here anymore for the above reasons

                  1. Estovir, maybe some of us use our time more efficiently than you and have time left over for mental gymnastics with mental midgets.

                    1. Anonymous, you are proving yourself to be a mental midget by closely copying what I just said. However, thank you. “Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.”__Oscar Wilde

                    2. Keep patting yourself on the back, Allan.

                      Don’t hurt yourself, little buddy.

    3. 1) We live in the age of the internet. What was ACTUALLY said – with context is readily available for any of us to watch.

      2). Why does this matter ?

      Trump clearly has this personal style – that predates his presidency of insulting people who attack him and particularly who are obstacles to what he wants, and flattering the crap out of those who are helping him acheive what he wants.

      AND he can turn on a dime, if that person changes their position. Kin Un can change from “Someone I can trust” to “Rocket Man” in an instant based on what he does.

      That is not my “style” and I do not like it.
      But I am going to judge Trump by results – not style.

      My standards and expectations with North Korea are Low. Based on decades of US presidents doing nothing. Trump has already greatly exceeded expectations just by opening dialog.

      Lets pay less attention to the making of the sausage an more to whether it is any good after it is cooked.

  13. speaking of lack of credibility….THIS IS CNN!!!


    “CNN’s Brian Stelter widely ridiculed after blaming tech issues for bizarre anti-Trump segment”

    It has been a rough 48 hours for liberal CNN media pundit Brian Stelter, who is facing backlash for blaming technical issues after remaining stone silent on Sunday when a guest on his ratings-challenged program claimed President Trump is responsible for more deaths than brutal dictators Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong.

    “Trump is as destructive a person in this century as Hitler, Stalin, Mao were in the last century. He may be responsible for many more million deaths than they were,” psychiatrist Dr. Allen Frances told Stelter on Sunday.

    The CNN host didn’t interrupt or challenge the comment, and Stelter has been widely criticized throughout the media industry for his handling of the incident, for which he blamed technical issues.

    Conservative news source The Reagan Battalion called the segment “shameful” and asked Stelter why he didn’t correct Frances on the spot.

    I agree that I should have interrupted after that line. I wish I had heard him say it, but I was distracted by tech difficulties,” Stelter responded on Twitter. “Not hearing the comment is my fault.”

    Several cable news insiders have since pointed out that if Stelter did miss the over-the-top comment, then a CNN producer should have immediately notified him. As a result, cable news watchdog Mediaite named Stelter its “loser” of the day and the backlash didn’t end there.

  14. Professor Turley, your fervent liberal bias is showing. Your blog is being contorted into an offering of the tedious, inutile Never-Trumper variety.

    Apparently, every administration since Harry S. Truman has failed to convert or eliminate the Kim dynasty making President Trump’s effort equal or greater and perhaps more innovative, transparent and credible.

    Also, the standard industry method of extinguishing oil well fires includes the detonation of “dynamite.” Explosive devices are used frequently in industrial processes such as mining, road building, controlled demolition, etc. In fact, President Trump has never planned or caused the detonation of a nuclear device for any purpose, your implications notwithstanding.

    “The Kim dynasty has ruled North Korea since 1948 for three generations, and still little about the family is publicly confirmed.”

    – Wiki

    Oil Well Fire

    Extinguishing the fires

    “Using dynamite to ‘blow out’ the fire by forcing the burning fuel and oxygen away from the fuel source. This was one of the earliest effective methods and is still widely used. The first use was by Myron Kinley’s father in California in 1913 [9] Generally explosives are placed within 55 gallon drums, the explosives are surrounded by fire retardant chemicals, and then the drums are wrapped with insulating material and a horizontal crane is used to bring the drum as close to the well head as possible.”

    – Wiki

  15. Good news and Bad News


    Store employee shoots and kills armed robber

    Bad news: Robber was an ANTIFA member wearing a mask, so the “we are fighting violent right wing fascists” guys (wink, wink) have lost one to the 2nd Amendment


    “An armed man who allegedly tried to rob a mobile phone store in Philadelphia on Monday was shot and killed by an employee in a dramatic moment captured on video.

    The Philadelphia Police Department said the incident happened just after 4 p.m. at a Metro PCS store in the southwest part of the city when an unidentified man who appeared to be in his late 30s entered the business.

    The man was trying to rob the store when the lone employee inside – who has a permit to carry a firearm – fired at the would-be robber multiple times, striking him.”

  16. That trump lies is a given and a few people are finally waking up, he has no credibility except maybe here. Sorry the media does not hate trump,most of them are still in the bag for him and don’t bother to fact check him. A FEW are starting to point out trumps lies and that sadly is called hating trump. A very few reporters have ask trump about his lies to hos face and it did not go all that well.

    1. Yesterday I posted two articles (not remotely about Trump) on one event where one could see how bad the NYTimes actually is. All the facts could be verified elsewhere on the Internet. I did that as an example.

      Look at all the articles in the MSM on Trump and Russia. Then look at all the data being released to see how badly the MSM reported those events.

      One can easily close their eyes so they can continue dreaming but one need not listen to the dreams of others when the truth stares them in the face. That is why discussion groups are usefull, but only if those in the discussion stick to a single subject providing factual material. We don’t see much of that from the left on this blog.

      1. yes it’s very sad how low the NYT has sunk. At least they still use English well.

  17. OT: Federal Court Hearing on Clinton Emails – Judicial Watch Asking For Deposition of Hillary Clinton
    Judicial Watch announced today that a federal court ordered a hearing for Thursday, August 22, 2019, on the Clinton email issue. On December 6, 2018, U.S. District Court Judge Lamberth ordered Obama administration senior State Department officials, lawyers and Clinton aides to be deposed or answer written questions under oath. The court ruled that the Clinton email system was “one of the gravest modern offenses to government transparency.”

  18. if you look at the events of the last few days, The President of the United States has proven to be…I think “erratic” kind of undersells it a bit. Insane? I hereby order all
    companies? Calling Powell worse than Xi? Nuking hurricanes? The Chosen One?
    King of Israel? Ok, he denied nuking hurricanes, but still.
    Something changed last week.

        1. anon1……much like the anti-black blacks, who have found that holding back their own people is far too lucrative a practice to abandon!

    1. the comment was genius for its potential effect on the power base of the adversary
      Xi’s power base is the Communist party. understand that is NOT the party of the worker, that is the party of the industrialist
      industrialists who hear that are very worried!

      “i hereby order” would mean something big if it came from their top dog
      of course in China where most people have no clue how our system functions that will sound very scary
      the average industrialist in China does not have a clear picture of how our system works even if perchance he is better educated than the norm

      and, the chinese media can’t turn around on a dime and explain that one. So I speculate that right now lots of rich Chinese dudes with export producing factories who thought they could wait this one out, are wetting their britches

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