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Portland Man Assaulted For Wearing MAGA Hat

We previously discussed the media coverage of politically motivated violence. A new such case has raised in Portland after Luke Lenzner was attacked by a man and a woman simply because he was wearing a “Make America Great Again” (MAGA) hat. Leopold A. Hauser and Adebisi A. Okuneye were arrested after the attack.

The attack occurred around 12:50 a.m. at the Growler’s Taproom. Lenzner was out with his wife when he was attacked on the patio because of his MAGA hat. The two alleged assailants were a few blocks away.

What is astonishing is how people do not seem to recognize that attacking people for their political beliefs is the very heart of signature of the fascism that they say they oppose.

168 thoughts on “Portland Man Assaulted For Wearing MAGA Hat”

    2. One of the comments to the video link posted by Josh:

      “From the videos description:”

      “I was at the Vern with my friends Friday night, 08/23/2019, when Like walked in wearing a MAGA hat. Immediately the vibe shifted to something more than uncomfortable. I noticed Luke, I’ve just learned his name, while I was ordering a drink. He walked in with a chip on his shoulder, and was eyeing just about everyone in the general area. I noticed the hat and the fact that he was checking his wrist watch on the underside of his arm, figured he was ex military and tried to pay him no mind. I alerted my friends I was with as in the past people wearing these hats have been known to start trouble. We all agreed to keep our calm and figured he was out looking for a fight, as is the main tactic of these kinds of groups. After what I would would say was 20 minutes me and my friends decided to leave the bar. As a group of us were closing out all hell broke loose. From my stand point it appeared that he was asked to leave by the bar staff because he was making other customers uncomfortable. That’s when he stood up, and he’s not a small man…if I had to guess 6’2” 220lbs, and started yelling at people. He hurled insults and was asked to leave several times. He tried knock a hat off of a friend next to me, he looked at us and screamed “I’ll be out side, fight me!” repeatedly. He was out looking stop stir things up, and stir he did. He called us “draft dodgers” and pussies amongst other things. We continued to ask him to leave and he retorted with insults and constantly stating that he served his country. I have nothing against Vets, and was worried he might be having PTSD and would become even more violent. He finally left after close to 5 minutes of shouting. After which most at the bar were afraid to leave fearing he might be carrying, or that other I’ll gate would meet us outside of those doors. After 10 minutes we left to go elsewhere when we noticed him pacing the block. We alerted bar staff and left the area. Also note that his wife pushed her way past me without a word, kneeing me in the back of the leg and, what I’m assuming, shouldered me on her way out. This all happened before he continued to the Tap House on Hawthorne were the incident in question took place.”

      1. And another comment:

        SunstyIe
        36 points
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        4 hours ago

        “All of the racist ring-wing blogs have already run with this story. They won’t do any follow-up or actual reporting. Just “mob attacks upstanding citizen for no reason because Portland is a liberal hellscape”. It’s incredibly creepy seeing this shit up close over and over again. These psychopaths are using our city to start fights for some twisted false narrative that is being broadcast nationally. “

    3. “Oh and he later admitted he’s not actually a veteran despite what he said in his rant.”

      Do you have a source or a link, Josh?

  2. Which ever side these BLM, Antifa and similar are or claim to be they tend to claim to be they gravitate to the farthest extremism of left wing fascism which in turn and among other things makes our Constitutional Centrist Coalition stance not only more acceptable and their anti-constitutional foreign ideology socialist stance completely unacceptable in a Representative Constitutional Republic such as ours.

  3. The Left is the portender of violence as we’ve seen. Any student of history (unlike CNN) can count the deaths due to the Left (Stalin, Mao, Chavez , Kim, NAZI’s and Hitler) and see that the rhetoric of the Left calls for violence.

  4. We gave you “…a republic, if you can keep it.”

    – Ben Franklin, 1787
    ________________

    We gave you “…a republic, if you can take it back.”

    – Ben Franklin, 2019
    ________________

    “Crazy Abe” Lincoln seized power and ruled by executive order and proclamation to “Save the Union.”

    President Trump must seize power and rule by executive order and proclamation to “Save the Republic.”

    1. The difference is Obama ruled by Executive Power and ignored the Constitution. This President rules by Executive Power and upholds and conforms to the Constitution. Something the left will never be able to claim without making themselves look more stupid than they have done so far. That in itself is the 8th not so wonderful of the world.

  5. This is so common that Republicans are actually afraid to wear MAGA hats or political clothing for fear of being harassed or physically assaulted.

    While there are of course bad apples of every political persuasion, the trend is one sided. Democrats are not afraid to wear political clothing out of certainty that they will be harassed or assaulted. In fact, they are so unafraid that thousands of them donned female genitalia hats and confidently marched in public.

    If anyone marches in a MAGA hat, they can expect Antifa to show up with bats.

    1. Karen, here’s a clip from an inner link contained in Turley’s column. It’s a local newscast from Portland reporting on the incident.

      Said news report includes a barroom camera that captures the beating victim as he enters a mostly deserted bar. The victim actually lowers his head and points to the MAGA logo on his hat. The news report takes note, playing that portion of the video 3 times in slow motion. It’s impossible to say this ‘victim’ wasn’t looking for trouble.

      https://www.kptv.com/news/man-says-he-was-assaulted-outside-portland-bar-for-wearing/article_2ed3c054-c795-11e9-956e-1f42272a49fe.html

      1. “A probable cause affidavit released by the district attorney’s office states that Lenzner’s wife told police that she was curious how people in Portland would react to his hat, and she asked him to wear it so she could see how people would treat him.” -from JT’s linked article

        There may be more to this story than meets the eye.

        1. “Hauser told a KATU reporter Monday that he disputes the claims made by the alleged victim, Luke Lenzner. He said Lenzner was the aggressor during the incident, which Lenzner denied.” -from the following article

          “Suspect disputes man’s claim he was assaulted over ‘Make America Great Again’ hat”

          https://katu.com/news/local/man-claims-two-people-assaulted-him-over-make-america-great-again-hat

          Excerpt:

          The prosecutor’s statement also mentions Lenzner’s wife saying, “Victim’s wife stated that she was curious how people in Portland would treat her husband since he wore his ‘Make America Great Again’ hat. She proposed that her husband wear the hat throughout the night so she can see how people treat him. She stated that she and her husband walked to multiple bars in Portland.”

          Lenzner denied those claims.

          Hauser said he and Okuneye have since received several threatening messages. The bar owner said his staff members have received threats as well.

          The bar owner sent a KATU reporter surveillance video but wouldn’t give the station permission to use it. It shows people scuffling out front and staff members say it shows Lenzner arguing with one of them after she asks him to leave the patio.

          In the video, Lenzner and his wife leave the property.

          Lenzner admitted to arguing with the staff member but said he had just been through the altercation and told a KATU reporter he was trying to grab a napkin because he was bleeding.

        2. Yes, Anonymous, I saw that in the article. The couple was clearly testing reactions. It appears they went to bars where they knew young liberals would be hanging out. Obviously they expected the trouble they got. Which doesn’t excuse assault. But it indicates this couple knew said hat would incite trouble.

          1. Agreed.

            And thought it isn’t entirely clear, it sounds as if the victim and his wife made conflicting statements.

        3. One presumes that those who wear hats with a message expect that message to be perceived and understood no matter the witting or unwitting nature of the presentation or positioning of the wearer.

          No —-, Sherlock!

          None of your fabrications and mental meanderings constitute legal justification for harassment, stalking , assault, battery or a false claim of temporary insanity caused by the public display of a hat.

          Incredible! The next thing you know, irrational convolutions such as yours will lead to something as insane as the legalization of killing babies. Oops! That already happened, huh? My bad.

      2. Hill:

        Are you saying that if someone points to an AOC shirt, they deserve to get beaten up? What if a woman says something really rude to her man? Is she asking to be punched in the face?

        Here’s the thing. It is not only illegal, but wrong, to physically hurt someone you disagree with personally. It really is too bad that so many people just don’t get it.

        1. Or how about at the Woman’s March? If a woman asks a man, how do you like my female genitalia hat, is she asking to be punched in the face?

          Civilized people say no. Leftists say, absolutely, as long as the victim is a Republican or otherwise conservative. One way for thee, another for me.

  6. This probably wouldn’t happen in Kansas. Kansas residents have the option to carry openly or concealed. Consequently, Kansas are like Forrest Gump’s box of chocolates. You never know what you’re going to get.

    1. I looked at stun guns or flashlights and those that can be projected. Pepper Spray, and rubber bullets. Only thing that was backed up by objective facts was it’s up to local laws.as they are non lethal weapons. The most hystical was a column by VOX which claimed all kinds of things but backed up nothing.

      Common Sense and thoughtful reasonstates if you go to LA, San Francisco, Portland during a business meeting or First Amendment rally, add to that Chicago and the upper east coast from Virginia to Maine plus Atlanta, Colorado and New Mexico your odds of not getting AntiFaDah’d by the left wing extremists increase negatively. Add to that any college or university campus except Hillsdale or Grove. Like any bad neighborhood.

      I finally chose a 300,000 volt stun/flashlight combination with the blinding light switch, Pepper Spray in Alaskan Magnum strength and a rubber projectile launcher using a 12 gauge flare pistol of good quality or a bang stick. backed up by 40 some years of training, a license to carry, appropriate back up weapon but here’s another legal one a spray can of a common household cleaner or one that says 95% germs gone in a single spray.

      Short of bulldozing 450 S. Capitol in Washington DC and banning foreign ideologies though I would suggest ‘do unto others as they would do unto you…first.’ and ‘ turn the other cheek’ referring to the assailants and remember they have four.

      Pepper Foggers were my favorite when on government duty

  8. DOES TURLEY RUN THESE COLUMNS..

    TO REAFFIRM THE PARANOIA OF TRUMPERS?

    I have noted before that Trump supporters eagerly embrace a culture of victimhood. And these columns regarding attacks on MAGA hats certainly play into that culture. In this regard Professor Turley is reinforcing the bunker mentality that holds Trumpers together. They are ‘constantly under siege by violent leftists’, which justifies every crackpot conspiracy spun by Donald Trump.

    Tellingly the news story linked to this column notes that the victim couple were consciously testing people’s reactions to the MAGA hat. In other words, they made a point of visiting bars where they expected trouble. This illustrates a principal commonly taught in Sunday School: ‘When you go out looking for trouble, God hooks you up with others looking for trouble’.

    Instead of billing this incident as ‘violence against Trump supporters’, one could present it as a barometer regarding the symbolism of Donald Trump’s political trademark. Obviously said trademark evokes strong negative reactions among the general public. And that directly reflects the aggressively negative leadership of Donald Trump. When a president deliberately sets about to divide Americans, his political signature is going to be divisive.

    1. Are you talking to ‘me’, Jerry..?? It’s my real name and I am commonly found on canyon trails above Los Angeles.

    2. @Hill

      A simple series of questions:

      Who is more likely to have their car keyed in a parking lot – Someone with a Bernie or Trump sticker on their car?

      Who is more likely to be shouted down at a college assembly – Ann Coulter or a Black Lives Matter speaker?

      Who is more likely to be attacked for for wearing a hat, article of clothing or expressing the “wrong” opinion on an issue – a Kamala Harris supporter or Trump supporter?

      If Trump supporters were randomly beating up leftists in large metropolitan areas the MSM would never let us forget it.

      That’s why no one remembers the Knoxville murders which involved a brutal black on white crime where an innocent couple were tortured and killed. On the other hand the MSM never lets us forget the much less common white on black crime such as the Dylan Roof murders.

      Let’s cut to the chase, no hooks, barbs or BS. I look at many leftists as being well meaning but naive, they see us as EVIL and everything they hate.

      So when a Trump supporters is attacked or antifa runs wild in a city, it is seen as justified or at least understandable.

      Admit it, lefties, at least I will respect you for being honest.

      But here’s the thing, we aren’t going away and unless you intend to take drastic measures to stop “thought crimes”…and I’m afraid that day is coming.

      You cannot compromise with people who wish your very destruction.

      antonio

      1. Dont ask ‘me’ Antinio. You should post studies from recognizable sources to verify whatever claims you’re trying to make.

        2. not that is truly hysterically funny. A leftist suggesting some one else post sources, facts, etc. paul mespo et. all what is the current count on unanswered unsupported BS as in have any of them ever offered a verifiable source or fact on anything?

          1. Michael Aarethun – I decided when I came back I would wipe the slate clean. It just was not worth wasting the band-width. However, the number was significant.

            1. Paul, do you have any idea what the post from Wikipedia is about and how it relates to Donald Trump?

    3. So, Hill, you would say that a woman who gets raped asked for it by wearing a skirt that’s too short?

      1. @foxtrot foxtrot sierra

        No claim to be a mind reader but here is a stab at current antifa thinking.

        The rape would only be acceptable if the lady were at an alt-right political event.

        And of course, you’re alt-right if you question massive immigration, support traditional marriage or support free speech. Then she had it coming. Fascists always have it coming and we leftists don’t debate or engage fascists, we destroy them.

        Am I missing something or is that a fairly accurate representation of the antifa’s views?

        Maybe one of those brave antifa warriors could join the debate.

        antonio

        1. Antonio, I have nothing whatsoever to do with any ‘ANTIFA’ organizations. I’m not even convinced that ANTIFA exists as a formal organizations. Only here, on Jonathan Turley’s blog, do I ever see references to ANTIFA. My suspicion is that ANTIFA exists primarily as boogeyman in rightwing media.

          What’s more, Antonio, all your comments here reflect the bunker mentality I alluded to regarding Trump supporters. It is, as I said, a culture of victimhood where conservatives are under siege by hostile, liberal forces.

            1. ‘I am’

              I apparently do not multitask well. Better focus on making dinner lest it gets as raw a deal as my writing.

            2. “…embarrassed to say he’s a prof in Iowa.”

              Why? There are angry and crazy people everywhere…in all walks of life.

                1. Why would you be embarrassed? His actions don’t reflect on you?

                  Iowa has its problems — just like any other state…

                  Are you embarrassed by Steve King?

                  1. Yes, I am embarrassed by Steve King. Fair or not, individuals can affect the perceptions of a group as a whole.

                2. Prairie Rose – it is so scary to drive in Iowa, just one hill after another and one combine after another.

            3. Rose, this how your link describes the person in question: “an adjunct English professor of nearly 10 years at Kirkwood Community College in Cedar Rapids”.

              Adjunct professors are generally low-paid academics; some of whom barely make a living. And this one teaches at a ‘community college’. We’re not talking about a major academic here. More like a small fish.

              With regards to ANTIFA, it’s like the so-called ‘Occupation Movement’. Anyone can say they’re a member. There’s no national organization with chapters around the country. They don’t hold conventions or conference calls. Any militant Bernie Bro can call themselves ANTIFA.

              One should note that radicalism on one side often sparks a radical backlash on the other. When a president like Trump lowers the bar for civility, and normal behavior in general, it has a ripple effect across the political spectrum.

              1. Hill,
                “We’re not talking about a major academic here.”

                So? He was still an academic who could potentially influence impressionable young people.

                “When a president like Trump lowers the bar for civility”

                It was already going down before he even considered running for president. ‘Tea baggers’ is not at all civil. There was plenty of incivility on campus before Bush even ran for president. It tracks more closely with the rise of political correctness and identity politics.

                1. Rose, ‘I’ was calling them Teabagger’s. They were angry Whites in small towns outraged that our first Black president wanted to expand healthcare for even poor Whites.

                  The Teabaggers wanted to take a chainsaw to government during the depths of a very grave recession. People were still losing their homes when Republicans seized on the recession as an excuse for ‘cutting government’. That would have been like repeating the mistakes of Herbert Hoover.

                  For Teabaggers reality was not that important. Ideology mattered more! Upholding Libertarian principals was all that mattered to boiling Teabaggers. What’s more the Koch Bros bankrolled that whole movement.

                  1. Hill,
                    Why in heaven’s name would you use that epithet? As far as I can tell, you have little respect for your own concerns or for others. If you did, you would try to win them to your viewpoint.

                    Based on your comments, I suspect you haven’t actually ever really talked or listened to the concerns of Tea Party supporters. You have to really understand opposing arguments and viewpoints in order to determine the weaknesses of your own.

                    How can you know enough to make sure you have the stronger, better, more accurate perspective without understanding those with whom you disagree?

                    It is ironic, you say, ““When a president like Trump lowers the bar for civility”, yet long before he even considered running for president, you participated in lowering the bar for civility.

                    Listen to yourself. Consider what you really desire. Do you desire to improve our society? Or do you desire to break it down? How do your words tip the scales one way or another?

          2. @hill

            It might surprise but I do not look at Trump as I believe many liberals viewed Obama in 2008. He’s not a messianic figure or saviour of any kind. He only buys us some time. I certainly am glad he moved the Overton window (as did Obama but in a direction I didn’t like).

            Something I think leftists miss, is people that like Trump like him in spite of himself. Kind of the best of a poor to mediocre lot.

            That’s why his base sticks with him despite the never ending negative coverage. They know what he is and support him anyway.

            Btw – I was a former college Democrat, come from an immigrant Hispanic family who came to the US in the 60’s. Father was a union, blue collar guy.

            Don’t think I have a bunker mentality, am merely the bearer of bad news. And that is, the multicult experiment is not going to bring us heaven on earth but will eventually caused a Balkanized society which may eventually destroy us.

            Maybe this is strange coming from a Latin guy but my family became Americans, not hyphenated, estranged members of a victim class. And we adapted to the larger culture. I speak Spanish well but do not demand the larger society accommodate me. You can have minorities, you cannot have multiculturalism. A country, any country must have a strong, dominant culture. I really don’t catch a lot of flack from other Hispanics (and I don’t care if I do actually), if I catch flack it is from white, Anglo liberals who want to save me and are offended when I don’t need their help.

            antonio

            1. Right, Antonio, you’re always reminding us that you’re a Hispanic Trump supporter. Like that’s your calling card. And there are always contrarians who revel in taking positions peculiar to their interests or views. We all know someone like that.

              1. Hill,
                “positions peculiar to their interests or views.”

                What positions is Antonio taking that are peculiar to his interests or views? What are his interests? What are his views? “Hispanic” interests? “Hispanic” views?

                1. @prairie rose

                  More leftist nonsense. They really, truly believe the identity politics thing. So if you have a Spanish surname you must automatically support an unlimited # of persons crossing the US border and getting some type of government benefits once they get here.

                  And of course, you MUST take leftist positions on most other issues.

                  And if you don’t, you’re a really bad person! Oh, yes, you must be a “nazi”.

                  Honestly, I play the ethnic card only with s@@tlibs.

                  antonio

                  2. Antonio,
                    Yes, such is the poison of identity politics.

                    I’d like to discuss this issue with Hill. Following reasoning back to a premise can improve understanding, help gain perspective.

                    Why would a group based on physical characteristics superceded an individual?

                    1. @prairie rose

                      I appreciate what you are saying but have a look at Matthew 7.6, “casting your pearls…”

                      I do find it patronizing that leftists really assume if you are from group X, you’re supposed to think a certain way. It is very insulting actually. A third of Hispanics voted for Trump even without the Hispandering (which never works).

                      We have Hispanic poverty pimps, similar to the black poverty pimps (i.e. the Al Sharpton’s of the world) who gain power by keeping poor aggrieved, poor and unassimilated. Have nothing for these poverty pimps and could care less if I have the “seal of approval” from white liberals.

                      antonio

                    2. Antonio,
                      “I appreciate what you are saying but have a look at Matthew 7.6, “casting your pearls…””

                      There is that possibility. Yet, I would rather patiently and respectfully engage with him for the possibility that he will eventually consider and begin to understand other perspectives. It is more hopeful to believe there is possibility and potential for arguments to be productive in the quest for balance and Truth.

                    3. @prairie rose

                      You sound like a kind, gentle and patient person.

                      Bless you, dear one.

                      antonio

                    4. Rose, Antonio’s been playing this game for a least a year or more. Like somehow the fact that he’s a Trump supporting Hispanic makes him a silver bullet liberals have no defenses for. Like we’re obliged to blink with embarrassment as Antonio gets in our face. Like being yelled at by a Trump supporting Hispanic is a liberal’s worst nightmare!

                      But these perceptions lurk in only Antonio’s head.

                    5. Antonio,
                      You are very kind. I am not as “kind, gentle and patient” as I’d like to be. I can be rather grumpy and snappy, too, especially if I’ve been burning the candle at both ends.

                      I find it is easier to be emotionally detached, or at least not hit ‘Send’ or ‘Post Comment’, when I communicate in written form. Perhaps that it because written words are ‘more real’ in some ways, they are weightier, hardened in some way once they are written that I try to take the most care with them.

                      Verbal communication is still weighty, but it is, at the same time, somewhat ephemeral. Spoken words are still ‘real’ since they are out there, hanging in the air and can be remembered (or, now, recorded), so while improvements can be made, I do try to be careful with my spoken words, too.

                      Thoughts are the least weighty, the least ‘real’. All manner of ugly thoughts stay hidden away, are squashed, and are argued against in my mind, never to be uttered or written.

                    6. Hill,
                      “Like we’re obliged to blink with embarrassment”

                      You are not “obliged to blink with embarrassment”.

                      It ought to make you stop to think, to wonder what makes Antonio, and others who do not ‘fit the mold’, think differently. Questions that need answers should pop up. How to get those answers? Not to just speculate and provide your own hypothesized answers, but to find out by asking questions and listening to the primary sources.

              2. @hill

                I only play with the ethnic card with sh@@libs like YOU. If I were a liberal Hispanic you would be ki@@ing my a@@ right now in an attempt to suck up. Most Anglo liberals love to suck up to minorities to show how good they are.

                I just don’t fit the mold YOU think and could care less.

                Your opinion of me is irrelevant. Am a successful professional, licensed in several states. Will continue to be so until you can lose a professional license due to thought crime.

                1. antonio – your a** is not the only thing he would be kissing or sucking to get your vote. 😉

                  1. antonio – the Democrats are losing the Hispanic vote. They will do anything to get it back. 🙂

      2. No but woman victimizing leftists would and at the same time praise Allah and cal it an act of honor.

    4. Hill:

      No. Wearing political clothing is not asking for a beating. That assumes that physically assaulting someone to terrorize political critics is acceptable.

      How long will people deny this happens?

      1. May be some universities are encouraging it as way to claim literacy in a foriegn language. Looks like the language of the Philippines to me.

      2. Karen S says: August 27, 2019 at 1:16 PM –
        “Hill – why do you preface your posts shouting?”

        Capital letters apparently bother Karen S.

        Why does Karen S care?

        Too much time on her hands, it would seem.

        2. Writing in all caps is considered to be shouting. Surprised you didn’t know that.

          1. Tell me something I don’t know, FFS, but thanks for feeling the need to explain.

            Some will remember this old posting:

            ‘Leeds Trinity University Warns Faculty Not To Use Capital Letters That Might “Scare [students] Into Failure”’

            https://jonathanturley.org/2018/11/20/leeds-trinity-university-warns-faculty-not-to-use-capital-letters-that-might-scare-students-into-failure/

            “Karen S says: November 20, 2018 at 12:13 AM
            Howling mad, the lot of them. This reads like instructions in a mental ward for the fragile patients. How are these students to function?”

            So capital letters bother Karen S? Is Karen that “fragile” — or does she only care when someone like “Hill” uses capital letters.

            Those who complain about our “PC culture” are, in fact, quite PC when it suits. Or so it would seem.

            Ah, to be so hypocritical.

    6. Fascist terrorize political dissidents. Hitler also used his Sturmabteilung, also known as the Brown Shirts, Storm Division, or the SA, to bully political opponents.

      This sort of behavior has a long history in dictatorships and authoritarian regimes.

      1. The problem is less the regime than the culture in which the regime nestles. If it were the regime, you’d have public employees the aggressors. If the regime had integrity, this sort of behavior would be effectively as well as formally unlawful. What you have is a corrupt regime presiding over a rancid culture, so you have incidents like this and the response of the regime is to do nothing or punish the dissenter for defending himself. Scott Lively departed the Pacific Northwest a dozen years ago, but during his time there, he saw this play out again and again contra the organizations for which he was the press agent. The judiciary is rotten, but the Professor is disinclined to acknowledge that.

      2. Antifa itself the black shirt version of the SA brown shirts was created by a very senior member of the Communist Party Leon Trotsky. Reason.com pointed out that antifa is fascist and the same as their Communist antecedents AND the similar groups of Nazi Germany.

    7. This illustrates a principal commonly taught in Sunday School: ‘When you go out looking for trouble, God hooks you up with others looking for trouble’.

      LOL! I missed that hook up principal (sic) in Sunday school. Did they not take the opportunity to teach you the turn the other cheek principle?

      If you favor abusing the rights of others merely because they’ve offended you emotionally, what is your rational argument to oppose lethal force in in these altercations?

      1. Olly, here’s a link to a local news broadcast in Portland reporting on featured incident. Said news report includes a barroom camera that captures the beating victim as he enters a mostly deserted bar. The victim actually lowers his head and points to the MAGA logo on his hat. The news report takes note, playing that portion of the video 3 times in slow motion. It’s impossible to say this ‘victim’ wasn’t looking for trouble.

        https://www.kptv.com/news/man-says-he-was-assaulted-outside-portland-bar-for-wearing/article_2ed3c054-c795-11e9-956e-1f42272a49fe.html

        1. It’s impossible to say this ‘victim’ wasn’t looking for trouble.

          Hill,
          Once again the left half of your brain remains unchallenged. If you were able to apply some basic reasoning skills you might discover “looking for trouble” does not justify receiving it. If you can’t get there, then you have the same wiring deficiency as the El Paso and Dayton shooters. You know that’s true because you purposefully avoided answering the last question I asked you.

          Here, try again:

          If you favor abusing the rights of others merely because they’ve offended you emotionally, what is your rational argument to oppose lethal force in in these altercations?

          1. Olly, just explain why this man was walking around pointing at his MAGA logo. I mean, if he is just a peaceful guy looking for a night out, why does he enter the bar pointing at his hat?

            1. I mean, if he is just a peaceful guy looking for a night out, why does he enter the bar pointing at his hat?

              Let’s pretend for a moment that was you entering a biker bar pointing at your pussy hat. Are you a victim if you get the snot kicked out of you?

              By the way, perhaps you should phone a friend to assist you with providing a rational argument?

    8. i have noted the Anti Constitutionalists that post here eagerly embrace a policy of victimizing… mostly women…and support a huge amount of wars they don’t have to fight in person. and somehow don’t seem to fit in the general public with their symbolic political allegiance to foreign ideologies.

      One thing I have noted is their unwillingness to take of their antifadah masks even in the relative safety of the internet.

      But then we also note that most if not actual machine parts are the next thing to it. Ad Machina.

    9. Hill,
      “I have noted before that Trump supporters eagerly embrace a culture of victimhood.”

      This is a way of saying any concerns about such things are overblown or illegitimate. Why do you think these concerns are overblown or illegitimate?

      1. Rose, these stories seem to inhabit only rightwing media. I personally believe that Trumpers seek to create external threats to justify the anger towards everyone else.

        If one examines cults like Scientology, for instance, there’s always an external threat to hold the cult together. People naturally draw together when they sense an outside threat.

        The Soviet Union under Stalin, and Germany under Hitler, were constantly emphasizing threats. Stalin’s massive purge in the 1930’s was all justified by ‘threats to the revolution from fascist sympathizers’. Germany was ‘threatened by Jews loyal to only Zionists’.

        So ‘yes’, I believe Trump supporters feel a strong need to feel threatened. That’s what holds them together and justifies their rage towards ‘elites’.

        1. I personally believe that Trumpers seek to create external threats to justify the anger towards everyone else.

          WTF!? You have literally defined what the Democrats, their leftist media allies and their base has been doing for the last 3 years. But not only to justify their anger, to justify their violence.

          Wow!

        2. Hill,
          “these stories seem to inhabit only rightwing media.”

          I’m perplexed why you would say that since the Washington Times is not right-wing, and Enigma showed Paul a video from CNN of an Andy Ngo post-beating interview. OregonLive covered it since it was local/state news.

          Even if these incidents were only covered by “rightwing” media, what else might that mean? Could it mean that the other media don’t care, don’t think that kind of news will ‘sell’, or worse, support those who do assault Trump supporters so they ignore such stories?

          Are news stories only legitimate if the NYT, Washington Post, LA Times, or Huffington Post cover them?

          “I personally believe that Trumpers seek to create external threats to justify the anger towards everyone else.”

          The same could be said of everyone opposing Trump. Trump is an ‘outside’ threat because he is not Liberal. Bush was considered a threat but Obama wasn’t, despite also eroding civil liberties and behaving imperialistically.

          “So ‘yes’, I believe Trump supporters feel a strong need to feel threatened. That’s what holds them together and justifies their rage towards ‘elites’.”

          Feeling threatened is not what holds Trump supporters together. Have you asked a Trump supporter why they voted for him and why the intend to vote for him again?

          What ‘elites’ are Trump supporters raging against?

          Republicans are not known to rage against the 1%.

  10. And we get this from a “conservative” columnist/blogger for the Washington Post. This is the sort of language that reads as a call to action with those unable to connect with the left half of their brain.

    It’s not only that Trump has to lose, but that all his enablers have to lose. We have to collectively, in essence, burn down the Republican Party. Um, we have to level them because if there are survivors, if there are people who weather this storm, they will do it again.
    https://thefederalist.com/2019/08/26/washington-post-columnist-calls-for-anti-gop-violence-burn-down-the-republican-party/?utm_source=The+Federalist+List&utm_campaign=a9a477971d-RSS_The_Federalist_Daily_Updates_w_Transom&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_cfcb868ceb-a9a477971d-79248369

  11. Useful Idiocy comes once again to fruition. Charlatanic elites rouse enough rabble to do their bidding and fools such as these two are willingly beguiled into attacking others, thus facing criminal and civil liability, while the elites laugh their way to another re-election, payday, or ego boost.

    The victim has alleged what can certainly be called damages, but these two were victims too: of their own weak-mindedness and for politically prostituting themselves. As long as there are available replacement automatons available to be conned into such behavior by some pied piper more will continue to go to jail who truly believe they are on the forefront of “the resistance”. Yet in reality they are merely cannon fodder.

  12. Update on the Lawless Mayor/Police Commissioner Ted Wheeler in Portland & his Anti Free speech Antifa Murderous terrorist.

    Joe Biggs/Vid starts at about 2:23 & it’s 20 some minutes.

  14. Even if they’re prosecuted, a Portland jury will find that a white guy parading around in MAGA hat, was “asking for it.”

    1. I think a hung jury is more likely, though you do get comprehensively bad juries from time to time. (See the 12 tools in Middlesex County, NJ who convicted Dharun Ravi in 2011, whose idiot handiwork was set aside by the judge). See also Pastor Scott Lively on the judiciary in the Pacific Northwest. The professor does not wish to acknowledge how ruined is the legal system, and how much the bar is driving the pathologies of this age.

    1. 1. The charges will be dropped, the disposition will be an unconditional discharge, or they’ll receive a token penalty.

      2. Anyone who fights back will be prosecuted vigorously.

  16. I disagree with the last sentence. They do not oppose fascism, they want it. From a one size fits all national healthcare system to doling out $1000 a month for everyone and if you don’t like it they want to shut you up. There is no naivete.

  17. This sort of thing has a fancy register and a vernacular register.

    The fancy register is located in academic institutions, primarily, but also law firms and the worst sort of corporate bureaucracies, and are animated by the notion that free speech is for peers, and ordinary people are not peers and should have no influence on public policy. Any time there’s a conflict between enacted public policy and the prevailing opinion among fancy people, said policy will be enjoined or annulled in judicial decrees. Vernacular people will be stripped of their platform by any means necessary, which may incorporate legal formalities or just having law enforcement stand back and let antifa do what it pleases and then prosecute normal people for fighting back.

    The vernacular register is composed of people like this, who generally aren’t in a symbiotic relationship with the purveyors of the fancy register. A great many partisan Democrats are rather loosely wired (think Jill or Natacha) and the Democratic Party is a great collecting pool of people with emotional problems and / or suffering arrested development. And for many of them, high school never ends, and their reaction to people resembles that of those loci of adolescent odiousness.

    You can look at what’s coming in over our Facebook wall. The objections to the President, almost all issued by people with tertiary schooling and commonly advanced degrees as well, is overwhelmingly emotions-driven and evaluates the president according to attitudes which delineate in-groups and out-groups among a certain sort of bourgeois. Nearly all political posts by people in our circle arise from Democrats bar one paulbot NeverTrump couple; our Republican friends post pictures of their grandchildren; the one exception posts light-hearted things like “Melania is Lovely. Can I get a like and a share?”. Politically-engaged people differ systematically from ordinary people. With that in mind, though, we’ve arrived at a point where the parties differ systematically in regard to how their adherents see political struggle in relation to the whole tapestry of social life. Ordinary people (and Republicans) see politics as its own thing with its own dynamic. Democrats see every sort of human activity as a locus for political agitation. So, people get attacked in bar-rooms, fired from their jobs, subject to boycotts. Institutions see their autonomous missions corrupted. The question is, how can civil society endure when it’s components are subject to such unwarranted aggression? This will not end well.

  18. More of the famous leftist tolerance and understanding for which they are well known.

    This will not end well.

    antonio

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