Fox: Over Half Of Voters Want Trump Impeached and Removed

Polls are showing significant increases in citizens, including Republicans, who want to see President Donald Trump impeached. One of the most unsettling polls must be the one in Fox News which has generally tracked more favorably for Trump. The most recent Fox News Poll shows a new high of 51 percent in favor of both impeachment and removal.

The polling for impeachment goes up to 55 percent once you add the 4 percent who want Trump impeached but not removed.

Just 40 percent now opposed impeachment.

That may still not be enough to shift Republican votes in the Senate. Yet, with the Senate now in danger, the White House may be a tad concerned about how these politicians might react after months of this scandal.

157 thoughts on “Fox: Over Half Of Voters Want Trump Impeached and Removed”

  1. The polls can say whatever they want them to say but watch out Democrats you impeach Trump you wont make office again!!

  2. “The U.S. ambassador to the European Union, Gordon Sondland, intends to tell Congress this week that the content of a text message he wrote denying a quid pro quo with Ukraine was relayed to him directly by President Trump in a phone call, according to a person familiar with his testimony.

    Sondland plans to tell lawmakers he has no knowledge of whether the president was telling him the truth at that moment. “It’s only true that the president said it, not that it was the truth,” said the person familiar with Sondland’s planned testimony, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive diplomatic matters.

    The Sept. 9 exchange between Sondland and the top U.S. diplomat to Ukraine has become central to the House Democrats’ impeachment inquiry into whether the president abused his office in pressuring Ukraine to open an investigation into his political rival Joe Biden and his son, who sat on the board of a Ukrainian energy company. The White House and its defenders have held up Sondland’s text, which included “no quid pro quo’s of any kind,” as proof that none was ever considered….”

  3. Where are the plus minus ratings?
    Why is the largest block from 2016 being ignored/

    The poll is bogus from start to finish especially when it has to rely on support from Ad Machinas.

    1. Squeeky, what you wrote came out OK in the email but not on the blog at least not on my Apple so I am repeating it.

      Breaking down @FoxNews Impeachment Poll, very misleading!

      Should Trump be Impeached?
      51% Yes
      43% No
      6% Undecided

      What they don’t tell you is
      D 48.1%
      R 40.1%

      47% of INDY’s said no, 39% said yes.

      INDY’s were 34% of Vote in 2016, not 12% like this poll.

      FAKE POLL!
      Take note that the difference between yes and no is 8 % and the difference between Democrat and Republican is 8%

      Congratulations Fox News for making sure the selection process stood out brightly in this polling data demonstrating what it is…. doggy poo.

      1. To render the comment valid just think of the similar doggy poo polls which in 2016 when the largesst voting block turned out to be the independents and not the leftist independents who went for Greens and Socialists. That percentage was 40% and meant the independents aka unaffiliated registered pro- Constitutionalists aka self governing types controlled the out come. This poll can be read the same way.

        In both cases the two parties are running neck and neck and even accounting for The Collective being wrong the same way they were in 2016 neither one held a majority.

        Constitutional Centrism and the many similar supporting factions aren’t the dark horse this time but the unpolled uncounted polls because we intentionally don’t support the polls with comment.

        Given that the choices this year is a proven President versus a herd of neutered dogs I can’t help but see that 40% can easily rise to 50% plus.

        Then the same whining, vodka swilling can begin and that’s before the illegal stuff is uncovered.

        Last time we stopped to slippery slope effect and this time we just well may be credited for pushing the far left off the edge. I see nothing from the Botox Collectice Brigade to stop us

        1. The polls taken this far in advance are near meaningless. Too much can happen. Their selection process is open to abuse and is lousy. They pretend they get close but they really don’t. We already know how much of the population is going to vote vote without even polling so if they say they were off by a small number, were they really considering the fact we all know how a sustantial part of the population will vote?

  4. It seems suspect to me. Considering the other recent polls and the facts as they currently are. I think this poll may more accurately reflect his disapproval rating.
    There are several possible explanations, the most unlikely being that this poll is an accurate reflection of public sentiment. The most likely being that 2 or 3 generations of no civics classes in schools have left Americans ignorant of the purpose and mechanism of impeachment. There is the likelihood that this is an outlier. There is a distinct possibility that the question was phrased so as to make it ambiguous.
    A serious question would be to ask those who “favor” removal to name the High Crime for which he should be removed.
    Sadly, Impeachment has been so polluted by partisan actions and reporting that a large number have no idea of its true purpose.

    1. A serious question would be to ask those who “favor” removal to name the High Crime for which he should be removed.

      One only had to think of the complete destruction of the word Collude to sufficiently back up that state of ti317. Seemingly most of the social promotion generation is incapable of reading a dictionary, an unskill shared with the vast majority of the media and the former teaching profession. Shame Shame Shame on the collective.

  5. trump last night, said with sneering emphasis

    “He (Bieen) was only a good vice president because he figured out how to kiss Barack Obama’s ass.”

    He went on to act out love notes between Strzock and his girlfriend, and other personalized attacks on his perceived enemies.

    We hear a lot from Karen about her concern for growing rudeness and Prairie Rose admirably tries to keep things polite here. Both are Trump supporters.

    Is this man fit to be president of the US? This is only the newest among indecent things he has said among a long history of polluting national discourse. Unfortunately for him, and unlike him ,Obama is personally popular among Americans and this act will harm him, not Biden. However in the meantime he continues to lower the bar for expected personal behavior by our public figures, and for all younger Americans may know, this must be how Eisenhower, FDR, and Reagan must have behaved.

    This is OK with you? You want this man to remain our president?

    You know he won’t change.

    1. Anon says this with a serious face while his friends on the left were in their usual mob formation outside. However, I must commend this mob littered with Antifa and Black Lives Matter because they didn’t beat up any people over the age of 75 or the disabled in wheel chairs. They did support Biden who clearly was involved in graft.

      While Oky puts out cheese traps, I suggest substituting cocaine for cheese. Maybe Hunter will find it and be trapped in a cage and like a canary sing about the theft of large amounts of money out of Ukraine by him and dear old dad.

        1. “the behavior of a small number of radicals”

          It is not such a small number of radicals. Such violent action has been abetted by Democratic leaders all over the country. That is the nature of the Democratic Party today.

          Anon, I note how the left cheers the curse words from rock stars and rappers while they advocate killing cops and degrading women. I note how the left cheers Hillary as she flirts with the worst abusers of women (and receives compensation for it) while President Obama bows to the worst despots of the world. You must feel very proud to be part of that group. The President was quite funny and though to you it doesn’t seem Presidential he is backed up by very significant accomplishments something we do not see from the left.

        2. But how many Democrat Presidential candidates espouse those violent radicals? Only Gabbard and Yang denounced them. Some pretended they’d never heard of Antifa.

          I never would have thought the Democratic Party would go Socialist, and yet it’s become rather popular. The entire party is getting radical. I would not blame the party for the actions of fringe lunatics. But when you listen to the debates, it’s basically been reduced to dangling dollars over voters, and appealing to intersectional victim groups.

          A person’s worth is determined by their race, gender, sexual orientation, and how many points they get on the victimhood scale. I could never support such a divisive, unjust system. I guess everyone has their level, and despot appeals to some.

        1. Michael Aarethun – didn’t you mention some time back that you were an ex-pat living in Mexico? If so, I have a friend who is thinking of retiring to Mexico and I have a few questions from her, for you.

    2. He may not be fit to be President but that is why we have elections. Just vote him out. Seems to me that too many people want to give lip service to democracy while seeking to use undemocratic means to change the result of the election.
      That is more of a danger to our republic than one egomaniac, constrained by our system of checks and balances could ever be.
      For the record, I voted for Johnson/Weld. Still proud of Johnson. Ashamed of Weld.

    3. Anon1 — Watch this SNL skit mocking the Democrat candidates. It’s funny because it captures each of them perfectly. Even SNL says mockingly, “America, these are your choices. Good luck.” Why? Because it is obvious that President Trump is a great president who is not owned and controlled by special interests and is out there fighting for American workers and America and telling it like it is.

      1. Anon1 — watch this skit and see if you laugh when ‘Joe Biden’ answers every question by saying only “Barack”…..
        what President Trump said at the rally last night about Joe Biden was true.
        Trump is right to ask: Where’s Hunter?
        Why don’t the Media have any interest in tracking down Hunter for interviews? Odd lack of interest? Why doesn’t Joe Biden sit down and answer questions? The man is running for president, everything is fair game. And since the media won’t do its job, Trump is going to keep hitting back and telling it like it is. You don’t like it? There’s an election next year.

    4. Anon1 – LBJ used to flip out his dick so the reporters could see how big it was, pulled his dogs up by the ears (pics exist), and appears to be about as foul mouthed as they come. Is that presidential?

      1. Pail pretends he doesn’t know the difference between behavior in front of 20,000 people on tv and before a small group expcted to not record or video tape.
        Allen actually doesn’t know the the difference between the responsibilities of presidents and rap entertainers.

        This is the level of intelligence and or education of too many Americans.

        1. “Allen actually doesn’t know the the difference between the responsibilities of presidents and rap entertainers.”

          What a foolish thing for Anon to say when the policies I support have brought an increased growth rate in the economy and the largest job numbers ever. You support the policies of a man who was wrecking our economy, our strength and our culture. The rap singers mostly love Obama and dislike Trump.

    5. Anon – we follow the law, regardless of whether someone is rude or whether we like them.

      If you justify lawlessness to remove someone you don’t like, then that’s tyranny.

      As for who I’ll vote for? The choice is vote Republican, or vote for extreme Leftism and Socialism. The Democrat Party has always been for higher taxes. Now we see socialist tendencies in many Democrat candidates, whose campaign appears to have been reduced to hanging dollar bills over voters. They would destroy our economy and our country. A vote for Elizabeth Warren means you didn’t build that. Business owners are the enemy to this insulated academic. She engages in class warfare to get votes. More divisiveness. Bernie Sanders had his honeymoon in the Soviet Union. A vote for him means the usual socialist repression. Kamala Harris – also class warfare, plus reparations, which would harm innocent people, destroy our economy, and fails to consider that America was one of the earlier to end slavery in the entire planet.

      What else does the modern Democrat party stand for?
      Racism against whites and black conservatives.
      Misandry against men.
      Misogyny against conservative women.
      Removing all limits on abortion until they’re killing full term healthy babies, an extreme position.
      Punishing taxes on employers.
      Which kills jobs.
      Anti-cop rhetoric.
      Anti-ICE rhetoric.
      Anti-BP rhetoric.
      Open borders. For those who claim this is not the case, Democrats claim that everyone should be able to claim asylum, no one should be detained, especially not any adult with a kid, regardless of their relationship or lack thereof, and after the court decides someone should be deported through due process, they call that Nazism. So, if not even a court can deport someone, that’s open borders.
      Sanctuary cities that protect violent felon illegal aliens.
      NYC now fines people up to $250,000 for merely saying illegal aliens.
      Anti free speech – see the 75 different gender pronouns.
      Targeting and destroying small business owners who don’t want to participate in gay weddings or baking a cake for a man who thinks he’s a woman, thus destroying their livelihood and impoverishing them because they disagree.
      Allowing men to compete in women’s sports, taking away women’s scholarships.
      Cancel Culture
      Shouting down conservatives so that no one else can hear them. After all, must not allow information to get out.
      Shutting down conservative events through threats of violence.
      Antifa – violently assaulting those they disagree with. They are on video blocking city streets with impunity, redirecting traffic just because they can, and running down an elderly man, dragging him from his car, because of his Southern plates.
      Kneeling for the national anthem.
      Refusing to say the pledge of allegiance.
      Disrespecting the flag.
      Disrespecting the military.
      Elevating criminals to heroes. Where Democrats reign, criminals are protected at the expense of law abiding. See CA where they have emptied prisons. See the numerous stories that have been falsified, changing criminals who assault citizens or police turned into folk heroes who were wronged.
      Anti-prisons – see AOC claiming that prisons are just cages and need to be abolished.
      Anti-justice – claiming that if more minorities are in prison, it’s racism, rather than admit they broke the law.
      Anti-Asian bias – Asians get penalized on university admissions due to the high success rate of their race.
      Intolerant – the trend is for hard Leftists to refuse to be friends with any Republicans. I have innumerable videos. One example is all the backlash Ellen got for sitting next to George W Bush, not disowning him when caught, and naming him a friend.
      Don’t understand diversity is not skin deep. They will accept anyone of any race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, and non Christian religion, as long as they think the same as them. No diversity of opinion or thought is tolerated.
      Ad hominem instead of debate.
      Abuse positions of authority to promote a political agenda – see the Leftism in K-grad school, as well as political activists in the intelligence community and elsewhere in government.
      Takes control of children – schools now teach pro transgender curriculum all year long. One video shown at a school shows a child suffering from gender dysphoria, talking about how wonderful it is, and at the end, says, you can be just like me! This is show to children as young as 3 with the obvious result that there is a rapid increase in kids who think that being the other gender is cool. Children are now given dangerous puberty blockers, associated with high adverse events, including death. This is against the science, which proves that the overwhelming majority will grow out of gender dysphoria.

      This is just a rough outline of what’s wrong with the modern Democratic party, and is by no means inclusive.

      Conservatives stand for a strong Constitution, and robust individual rights. Lower taxes. Freedom to do business under reasonable regulations. Responsible spending. Getting political bias out of education.

      Gee. Tough one. Who should we vote for?

      1. So, despite her long winded – see above – pretenses to high standards of behavior, Karen actually has none and will support a pig – well, she already is doing that – with no regard for common decency or actually anything but his own sorry ass

        just cover the kid’s eyes.

        1. Anon – why ever would I vote for a pro Socialist, anti-law Democrat who would usher in our demise similar to Venezuela? Parents who want their children to have the food, clean water, and medicine to survive should vote Republican. Socialist Venezuela ran out of medicine months ago, clean water before that, and people are scavenging garbage to try to survive.

          Only a fool would vote Socialist, or against law and order.

          1. Karen is not a passive Trump supporter. She makes excuses for him almost everyday she posts.

            If she actually had any standards at all for decency she’d be promoting another Republican candidate, railing against the closing of GOP primaries, and doing all she could to have her party mean something besides making excuses for Trump. She isn’t, so she cannot claim to represent anything higher in decency than Trump.

        2. Anon1 — you mentioned “decency”….as if….OTHER politicians were/are more “decent” than President Trump.

          Just reposting this article re Trump’s ‘lack of decorum, dignity, and statesmanship’ By Evan Sayet in his article “He Fights” (Mespo posted it elsewhere on the blog) —->

          My Leftist friends (as well as many ardent #NeverTrumpers) constantly ask me if I’m not bothered by Donald Trump’s lack of decorum. They ask if I don’t think his tweets are “beneath the dignity of the office.”

          Here’s my answer: We Right-thinking people have tried dignity. There could not have been a man of more quiet dignity than George W. Bush as he suffered the outrageous lies and politically motivated hatreds that undermined his presidency.We tried statesmanship.

          Could there be another human being on this earth who so desperately prized “collegiality” as John McCain?

          We tried propriety – has there been a nicer human being ever than Mitt Romney? And the results were always the same.

          This is because, while we were playing by the rules of dignity, collegiality and propriety, the Left has been, for the past 60 years, engaged in a knife fight where the only rules are those of Saul Alinsky and the Chicago mob.

          I don’t find anything “dignified,” “collegial” or “proper” about Barack Obama’s lying about what went down on the streets of Ferguson in order to ramp up racial hatreds because racial hatreds serve the Democratic Party.

          I don’t see anything “dignified” in lying about the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi and imprisoning an innocent filmmaker to cover your tracks.

          I don’t see anything “statesman-like” in weaponizing the IRS to be used to destroy your political opponents and any dissent.

          Yes, Obama was “articulate” and “polished” but in no way was he in the least bit “dignified,” “collegial” or “proper.”

          The Left has been engaged in a war against America since the rise of the Children of the ‘60’s. To them, it has been an all-out war where nothing is held sacred and nothing is seen as beyond the pale. It has been a war they’ve fought with violence, the threat of violence, demagoguery and lies from day one – the violent take-over of the universities – till today.

          The problem is that, through these years, the Left has been the only side fighting this war. While the Left has been taking a knife to anyone who stands in their way, the Right has continued to act with dignity, collegiality and propriety.

          With Donald Trump, this all has come to an end. Donald Trump is America ’s first wartime president in the Culture War.

          During wartime, things like “dignity” and “collegiality” simply aren’t the most essential qualities one looks for in their warriors. Ulysses Grant was a drunk whose behavior in peacetime might well have seen him drummed out of the Army for conduct unbecoming.

          Had Abraham Lincoln applied the peacetime rules of propriety and booted Grant, the Democrats might well still be holding their slaves today.

          Lincoln rightly recognized that, “I cannot spare this man. He fights.”General George Patton was a vulgar-talking…

          In peacetime, this might have seen him stripped of rank. But, had Franklin Roosevelt applied the normal rules of decorum then, Hitler and the Socialists would barely be five decades into their thousand-year Reich.

          Trump is fighting. And what’s particularly delicious is that, like Patton standing over the battlefield as his tanks obliterated Rommel’s, he’s shouting, “You magnificent bastards, I read your book!”

          That is just the icing on the cake, but it’s wonderful to see that not only is Trump fighting, he’s defeating the Left using their own tactics. That book is Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals – a book so essential to the Liberals’ war against America that it is and was the playbook for the entire Obama administration and the subject of Hillary Clinton’s senior thesis.

          It is a book of such pure evil, that, just as the rest of us would dedicate our book to those we most love or those to whom we are most indebted, Alinsky dedicated his book to Lucifer.

          Trump’s tweets may seem rash and unconsidered but, in reality, he is doing exactly what Alinsky suggested his followers do. First, instead of going after “the fake media” — and they are so fake that they have literally gotten every single significant story of the past 60 years not just wrong, but diametrically opposed to the truth, from the Tet Offensive to Benghazi, to what really happened on the streets of Ferguson, Missouri — Trump isolated CNN. He made it personal.

          Then, just as Alinsky suggests, he employs ridicule which Alinsky described as “the most powerful weapon of all.” Most importantly, Trump’s tweets have put CNN in an untenable and unwinnable position. They need to respond.

          This leaves them with only two choices. They can either “go high” (as Hillary would disingenuously declare of herself and the fake news would disingenuously report as the truth) and begin to honestly and accurately report the news or they can double-down on their usual tactics and hope to defeat Trump with twice their usual hysteria and demagoguery. The problem for CNN (et al.) with the former is that, if they were to start honestly reporting the news, that would be the end of the Democratic Party they serve.

          It is nothing but the incessant use of fake news (read: propaganda) that keeps the Left alive.Imagine, for example, if CNN had honestly and accurately reported then-candidate Barack Obama’s close ties to foreign terrorists (Rashid Khalidi), domestic terrorists (William Ayers & Bernardine Dohrn), the mafia (Tony Rezko) or the true evils of his spiritual mentor, Jeremiah Wright’s church.

          Imagine if they had honestly and accurately conveyed the evils of the Obama administration’s weaponizing of the IRS to be used against their political opponents or his running of guns to the Mexican cartels or the truth about the murder of Ambassador Christopher Stevens and the Obama administration’s cover-up.

          So, to my friends on the Left — and the #NeverTrumpers as well — do I wish we lived in a time when our president could be “collegial” and “dignified” and “proper”? Of course I do.

          These aren’t those times. This is war. And it’s a war that the Left has been fighting without opposition for the past 50 years.

          So, say anything you want about this president – I get it – he can be vulgar, he can be crude, he can be undignified at times. I don’t care. I can’t spare this man. He fights for America!

    6. as compared to the porn-graphic used b the left? Shame the left cannot articulate anything to back up their comments without resorting to porn but then that’s another attribute of the Stupid Party

      1. Michael Aarethun – I think I can say without fear of rejection that the entire porn industry (which is centered in Nancy Pelosi’s district) supports the Democrats. However, should Trump say that he loved porn, the Democrats would shut down the industry in a heart-beat.

  6. How do you like your toast? A touch of crispness or somewhere closer to burnt.

    I’m reading articles from the NYTimes and the WaPo. Oh so much this afternoon, but its looking as though this dude #45 is burnt toast. Really burnt toast!

    Sorry buckaroos! Hoping you’re okay with that sense of feeling left out!

    I forgot the SDNY announcement. Oh My! I need to see your passports please.

  7. How do you like your toast? A touch of crispness or somewhere closer to burnt. I’m reading articles from the NYTimes and the WaPo, its looking as though this dude #45 is burnt toast. Really burnt toast! Sorry buckaroos! He’s your baby doll now, do what you feel is appropriate cause the writing is on the wall.

      1. Now, you kids are probably asking yourself, “Hey, Matt, how can we get back on the right track?!” Well, as I see it, there is only one solution! And that is for me to get my gear, move it on into here, ’cause I’m gonna bunk with you, buddy! We’re gonna be buddies! We’re gonna be pals! [ picks Brian up ] We’re gonna wrassle around! [ puts Brian down ] Ol’ Matt’s gonna be your shadow! [ motions] Here’s Matt, here’s you! There’s Matt, there’s you! [ trips and falls flat on the coffee table, sending it crashing to the floor ] Whoops-a-daisy! [ stands up ] We’re gonna have to clean that up later! Me and my buddies! My pals! My amigos! I’m gonna go get my gear! [ heads for the door ]

            1. Anon, listen to the short video Oky has provided. I think it has one of Trump’s statements that you dislike. Then listen to the crowd scream. Look around the stadium and note how full it is and look outside at the ~equal number outside supporting Trump that couldn’t get in but came anyway. Following that, count the empty seats at a Hillary event.

                1. I liked seeing all those Cops 4 Trump tee shirts last night & Trump rally.

                  Anyone paying attention can see the old media’s polls are fake just by everywhere Tump goes there’s massive crowds outside of the sold out venues.

    1. Ya figure she’s Natacha’s twin sister or Jill’s?

      I have a suspicion that Susan Buchanan gets away with this because no one around her penalizes her for it. Bloody capons just sat there and took it.

      1. UGH. a doctor like the ones in Clockwork Orange maybe

        see why she thinks she’s an expert on diversity. wow, really leveraging it.

        Oak Park used to be swell but I havent been there in a long time. here’s a reason not to stop in for visit

  8. I am surprised that the good professor attaches irrefutable credence to the “poll” without a discussion of poll herding, loaded questions, or disclosure of ratio relating to political affiliation. Most polls are not intended to reflect the views/opinions of participants,– but rather, to influence views/opinions.

    1. I doubt anyone here reads links to wackjob wingnut internet backwater websites, but I do know that you’re missing the most salient question surrounding the day glo bozo and his supporters composed of gullible rubes, dupes, klan wannabees, pocket-traitors and grifters on the make, which is: “what is that ticking sound?”

      this is to “well, I guess when we elected a clown, it’s no surprise that a circus broke out” absurdity

      1. I read it. I found that though I wasn’t in total agreement with the writer, I agreed more than I disagreed.

        She doesn’t sound like much of a ‘wingnut’ to me. She sounds like a person that has experienced the hyper-sensitive, hyperbolic, far left’s ‘with us or against us’ that a lot of us ‘use-to-be’ Democrats have experienced. She sounds like someone that has watched as the mainstream media has turned into a bunch of moralizing, pontificating scolds instead of journalist reporting facts. I for one prefer not to be indoctrinated by a constant barrage 24/7 of the eye-rolling, finger-wagging that MSN has resorted to.

        I don’t care for Trump and did not vote for him. I don’t care for either of our two Parties. When I left the Democratic Party, years ago I became and remain ‘unaffiliated’.

        I’m not sure if that makes me a ‘rube’, ‘dupe’ or ‘Klan’.

  9. Sources are telling The Buffalo Chronicle that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau‘s accuser has been in talks with a private attorney for more than a week, discussing a heated sexual relationship that began and ended more than 18 years ago, when the young woman was a student at Vancouver’s prestigious West Point Grey Academy. The Chronicle is told that the two engaged in a months-long affair beginning in the summer of 2000, both on and off-campus.

    That non-disclosure and an accompanying non-disparagement agreement were signed last night, according to the source, for more than $2.25 million CDN.

    A friend of the accusor’s family reached out to The Chronicle days ago, prior to the signing of the non-disclosure agreement, when its terms were not in effect and still being negotiated. Those talks took nearly two weeks and took place almost entirely in Vancouver.

    By Saturday evening, Trudeau’s negotiator became impatient, giving the young woman a deadline of 10pm on Wednesday evening to either agree to or reject the terms of the NDA. The Chronicle became familiar with the situation shortly after Trudeau’s negotiator made that threat.

    The young woman and her attorneys were insisting that the terms be mutually binding on Trudeau (in which case Trudeau would be liable for damages if he were to publicly discuss the circumstances of their relationship himself). Trudeau’s attorneys repeatedly refused that request, which was cause for the delay.

    It is unknown whether the terms of the final agreement are mutually binding.

      1. It will likely cost him very little with his core constituency. Trudeau’s career is an indicator that Idiocracy is Now in the Dominion of Canada.

    1. Inspector Trudeau

      François: Do you know what kind of a bomb it was?

      Trudeau: Yes, the exploding kind.

  10. Here’s the 2 Mar-A-Lago sleaze bags who were part of Rudy and Perry’s Ukraine gas take over attempt. At the end we learn they were part of the removal of the experienced US Ambassaodr to the Ukraine which was obviously an attempt to get her out of the way of the hanky panky which followed. Stay tuned!

    From today’s WaPo.:

    “Two associates of President Trump’s personal attorney Rudolph W. Giuliani have been arrested on charges they schemed to funnel foreign money to U.S. politicians while trying to affect U.S.-Ukraine relations, according to a newly unsealed indictment.

    The two men, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, who had been helping Giuliani investigate Democratic presidential candidate and former vice president Joe Biden, were arrested Wednesday evening at Dulles International Airport outside of Washington, D.C., where they had one-way tickets on a flight out of the country, officials said.

    Read the indictment: U.S. vs Lev Parnas et al

    The pair have been under investigation by the U.S. attorney’s office in Manhattan. At an initial court appearance Thursday afternoon in Alexandria, Va., prosecutors said they were concerned Parnas and Fruman were flight risks, but that they would negotiate with their lawyers about a possible bail package…..

    The Justice Department charges that Parnas and Fruman disguised the source of a $325,000 donation made in 2018 to America First, the main pro-Trump super PAC, by giving the money in the name of Global Energy Producers (GEP), a purported liquid natural gas company they controlled. Federal prosecutors say the company was, in essence, a front used to disguise the real source of the funds. The money for the political action committee actually came from “a private lending transaction between Fruman and third parties,” according to the indictment, which does not offer any further detail about the source of the money, and does not publicly identify America First as the recipient…..

    According to the indictment unsealed in New York, Parnas, Fruman and other defendants “conspired to circumvent the federal laws against foreign influence by engaging in a scheme to funnel foreign money to candidates for federal and state office so that the defendants could buy potential influence with the candidates, campaigns, and the candidates’ governments.”

    In May, Giuliani tweeted that Parnas and Fruman were his “clients.” He told The Post recently that the relationship involved payment to his firm but said it was not connected to his work involving Biden. Giuliani said they wanted advice for a business venture developing “security technology” and that his work was done on behalf of the two men and other investors, whom Giuliani would not name. “They wanted my advice so I gave it to them and my staff wrote the report and delivered it to them and that was concluded pretty much,” he said.

    Prosecutors say Fruman and Parnas schemed to donate money to an unidentified U.S. congressman, at the same time they were asking that congressman to get the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine removed from her job.

    In the spring of 2018, Parnas met with the congressman seeking his “assistance in causing the U.S. government to remove or recall the then-U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine,” the indictment alleges. “Parnas’s efforts to remove the Ambassador were conducted, at least in part, at the request of one or more Ukrainian government officials.””

    1. Anon1 — Notice this —->

      No Dems indicted.
      No Deep State indicted.
      No Obama admin officials indicted.
      No Hillary Campaign staff indicted.
      No Bidens indicted.
      No FBI-DOJ-CIA-DNI officials indicted.

      Only Republicans, Trump Supporters, Conservatives, Giuliani associates are being indicted


      (Christian Lamar)

    2. “Here’s the 2 Mar-A-Lago sleaze bags”
      This is a mistruth. They have no ownership in Mar-a-Lago.

      ” who were part of Rudy”
      Rudy is their lawyer and not part of any activities they were involved with whether legal or illegal.

      When will Anon get his facts straight and stop relying on mistruths?

        1. “The 2 sleazebags have been Mar-A -Lago guests.”

          Anon, I’ve been to Mar-A-Lago many times. That doesn’t afford me a special status. I’ve also been to Trump Tower and I have also been to the White House under Bill Clinton’s administration. Are you now going to tie me into Bill Clinton?

          “They shared activities and goals in the Ukraine with Rudy”

          I share some of Rudy’s goals regarding Ukraine in that I want the truth and I want politicans like Joe Biden to stop using their offices for personal gain. However, I am not the lawyer of the 2 men like Rudy is.

          Let’s sum this up. People have relationships but that doesn’t mean they are part of a crime family. Essentially you create facts that don’t exist and that isn’t much different from lying.

          1. “says:October 10, 2019 at 5:09 PM
            “The 2 sleazebags have been Mar-A -Lago guests.”

            Anon, I’ve been to Mar-A-Lago many times. ”

            Make that 3 sleazebags

            1. Let’s correct that 8:40 posting:

              “Allan says:October 10, 2019 at 5:09 PM

              “The 2 sleazebags have been Mar-A -Lago guests.”

              Anon, I’ve been to Mar-A-Lago many times. ”

              So, let’s make that 3 sleazebags — including Allan.

              (Allan says he’s been to Mar-A-Lago many times. …on those tour buses that drive by…, but he left that out.)

              1. 5 posts to 1 by the cowards that are even afraid of being noted for so many posts. That goes mostly to Anonymous the Stupid. Worst of all those posts demonstrate no imagination. I think he should get an icon that shows a picture of a yellow stripe.

                “to Mar-A-Lago many times. …on those tour buses ”

                Maybe those “sleazebags” were on those tour buses. A big thing was made about about them visiting Mar-A-Lago so if tour buses are going there it must be quite common.

      1. Here we see a tidy example of Allan’s dishonest methods of debate; obvious to anyone who has read his gibberish since he arrived.

        Anon1 stated:
        “Here’s the 2 Mar-A-Lago sleaze bags…”

        Boy Wonder responded:
        “This is a mistruth. They have no ownership in Mar-a-Lago.”

        Not a word about ‘ownership’ by Anon1. Allan constantly invents meaning in other poster’s comments, and then posts gibberish arguing against a position never stated.

        Another example:

        Anon1 stated:
        “They shared activities and goals in the Ukraine with Rudy”

        Boy Wonder responded:
        “I share some of Rudy’s goals regarding Ukraine…”

        The ‘activities and goals’ of Anon1’s post is reduced to only ‘goals’ so that Boy Wonder can argue, “…that I want the truth and I want politicans [sic] like Joe Biden to stop using their offices for personal gain.” What a convenient way to avoid the ‘activities’ of Giuliani in concert with Perry and these two men.

        Then, downstream (, Allan accuses Anon1 of presenting opinion as fact when Anon1 writes:

        “The GOP Senators will follow the polls and many – if not most – will be thrilled to dump the Trump if given the cover.”

        Anon1’s statement is so obviously an opinion and is not remotely presented as fact. Again, Allan purposefully misrepresents other’s postings so that he has something to say.

        Then he has the audacity to state to Anon1, “[e]ssentially you create facts that don’t exist and that isn’t much different from lying.”

        Allan’s ‘arguments’ are but willful misrepresentations of other’s words, but only if one ignores that the majority of Allan’s posts are nothing but ad hominems.

        1. If you wish to tie in disparate facts, Greg, go ahead and do so. That it won’t look very intelligent is your problem. You apparently don’t watch Anon very carefully as he takes his opinion and makes it into fact and when that fact is disproven he forgets about it and brings it back later as a fact.

          I don’t take much credence in your opinions since based on what you have said you are merely another name used to hide yourself. I don’t understand why you leftists keep changing names but I guess that is how much confidence you have in your opinions. In fact even Anon had a previous name, Jan F. but I do commend him for remaining with one name to the present since then.

          1. I did not “tie in disparate facts”, Allan; I pointed out your propensity for dishonesty by using three of your posts vis-à-vis Anon1.

            Of course, to have any response to my post, you have to brand me a leftist that changes names.

            You’re just a dishonest crybaby, Allan, who can only argue from a false position that you create — as you’ve just shown.

            1. “I did not “tie in disparate facts”,”

              Of course you did Greg. I demonstrated the tie in and that should have been sufficient for you. That it wasn’t demonstrates your thinking process so you can think what you want. Dealing with people that post under anonymous or change their alias every time they want to hide themselves tells a lot about what they think about their own ideas.

          1. “I don’t read .any of Allan’s comments”

            Yet, without reading the comments anonymous replies to them and racked up a whole bunch of replies. What a goofball.

            1. I didn’t know that 4 legged creatures read English, Fido.

              For those that don’t read my comments, they sure reply enough.

              1. Anonymous,you are such a coward that you make a point of not reading what I say and then posting that you only “skim some”. One can only laugh at your timidity. You can’t even deal independently and have to be surrounded by others. What sad excuses for humans you guys are. We know two or all of of you guys real well, Anonymous the Stupid and Fido the Brainless Wonder.

              2. Anonymous at 8:21 PM,
                The audio Cliff Note device for Allan’s posts fills in any gaps there might be if you only read a few of his comments.

                1. Anonymous the Stupid, I know, the only way for you to rise up is to hide and surround yourself with others. You aren’t even creative in your responses. Go back to your mother’s basement and hiding behind her skirt.

        2. “the majority of Allan’s posts are nothing but ad hominems”

          And his pals on the blog don’t call him out. They support his toxic, and abusive behavior.

          1. That’s funny coming from the pre-eminent non human presence posting on the blog. You can’t use ad hominem uness there is a human presence not a machine tool of the Collective the proper description of Anonymous is Ad Machina.

    3. a couple thoughts. before you Democrats get too wound up over this.

      first off maybe they did do whatever the indictment alleges., they will have their chance to say their peace and defend themselves. they DO have the presumption of innocence like everybody else. a jury will decide. maybe they’ll get acquitted, who knows.

      secondly it’s a big so what where DJT is concerned. if they attributed false sources for their donations, that’s their crime not his.

      thirdly, if as Turley suggests, they’re going to be considering plea deals, I’m not sure what big scary thing the government is going to do to them. I doubt they take a plea deal or are seriously considering it. I’ll say why.

      they’re locked up in some jail already, with three hots and a cot. Yawn. Generally, real men don’t fear jail quite so much as you might suspect. yes it stinks but there’s lots to do and plenty of time to relax. And I think perhaps at worst face a term of a few years in a federal prison. I suspect a couple guys this age who were born in the Soviet Union could do that kind of time sleeping. Someone will keep their commissary funded. There will be exercise, books, tv, and plenty of food. it will not be cold like Siberia. Probably they can just sit back in jail and relax, keep mouths shut, and by the time the trial is done they will go with time served. Life goes on! add to that, if they are associated with heavy dudes then they will not ruin their reputations by acting like a bunch of weak kneed squealers.

      Maybe that guy Mark M could actually make himself useful here instead of just posting insults, and crack the USFSG and see what kind of time they might pull on these charges assuming convictions and that the sentences run concurrently. I wouldn’t know how to do that, sorry guys, not my bailiwick.

      See, you guys have a lot of big expectations that were built up over the government throwing the book at Paul Manafort. He was a big target loaded up with gobs of charges. Including the FARA charge which was super unfair. Don’t expect the government is going to go “all out” on these guys, i really doubt it.

      oh yeah and maybe if they want to spike this thing, they’ll just clam up and plead guilty. fall on their swords., with no deals. it can happen. then fight the sentencing, or maybe let that go fast too. that would suck all the wind out of the thing. we’ll see.

      1. i see a clip on the internet from the “anatevka jewish refugee” something or other. “hello Moishe!” one says. One might infer they are Jewish. I am not sure that matters. But it might. Probably that means they are even tougher than i first assumed. If there were a list of all the places in the world it may be difficult to be Jewish I would suspect the Ukraine is on it. And so, I suspect less likely to cop a plea and sing a tune,. That would be my guess.

        Who knows how this will go down. IBut think Turley’s implication that they will be considering a plea in exchnage for some sort of inculpating testimony is very unlikely.

    4. Anon1 — in case you missed the big Minnesota rally…..some favorite lines (so far!) just for you my friend ——–>

      Trump: “Hunter, you’re a loser. Why did you get paid $5 billion dollars?”

      “Your father was never considered a smart senator. He only ever knew how to kiss Barack Obama’s ass.”

      Trump: “How would you like to have Joe Biden take over negotiations with China? Meanwhile, he let China rip us off as vice president and Barack Obama let him rob us blind. The Bidens got rich while America got robbed.”

      AAAAHHHHHHH! He said it!!!! Oh yes he did!!! (we all know it’s true…ouch Joe Biden campaign gonna hit back hard, cuz ouch ouch ouch) HA!

      1. said what machine tool of the collective of the Party. Those were the facts and another facts is your a pantywaste afraid to use your real name unless rusted out machine part is your real name. Ad Machina.

    5. word from ukraine is biden got $900 K from burisma. not his kid, JOE

      Burisma paid Joe Biden $900,000 for lobbying – Ukrainian MP

      17:43, 09.10.20194 min read
      KYIV. Oct 9 (Interfax-Ukraine) – Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden received $900,000 for lobbying activities from Burisma Group, Ukraine’s Verkhovna Rada member Andriy Derkach said citing investigation materials.

      Derkach publicized documents which, as he said, “describe the mechanism of getting money by Biden Sr.” at a press conference at Interfax-Ukraine’s press center in Kyiv on Wednesday.

      “This was the transfer of Burisma Group’s funds for lobbying activities, as investigators believe, personally to Joe Biden through a lobbying company. Funds in the amount of $900,000 were transferred to the U.S.-based company Rosemont Seneca Partners, which according to open sources, in particular, the New York Times, is affiliated with Biden. The payment reference was payment for consultative services,” Derkach said.

      He also publicized sums that were transferred to Burisma Group representatives, in particular Hunter Biden, a son of the former U.S. vice president.

      “According to the documents, Burisma paid no less than $16.5 million to [former Polish President, who became an independent director at Burisma Holdings in 2014] Aleksander Kwasniewski, [chairman of the Burisma board of independent directors] Alan Apter, [Burisma independent director] Devon Archer and Hunter Biden [who joined the Burisma board of directors in 2014],” Derkach said.

      “Using political and economic levelers of influencing Ukrainian authorities and manipulating the issue of providing financial aid to Ukraine, Joe Biden actively assisted closing criminal cases into the activity of former Ukrainian Ecology Minister Mykola Zlochevsky, who is the founder and owner of Burisma Group,” he said.

      “Biden’s fifth visit to Kyiv on December 7-8, 2015 was devoted to making a decision on the resignation of [then Ukrainian Prosecutor General] Viktor Shokin over the case of Zlochevsky and Burisma. Loan guarantees worth $1 billion that the United States was to give to Ukraine was the point of pressure. Biden himself admitted exerting pressure in his speech at the Council of Foreign Relations in January 2018, calling Shokin ‘son of a bitch who was fired’,” Derkach said.

      The timeline of events proves that the U.S. linked the Zlochevsky case to loan guarantees, he said.

      After the decree dismissing Shokin was published on April 3, 2016, the governments of the United States and Ukraine signed a loan guarantee agreement worth $1 billion, several months later, on June 3, he said.

      “In this case, there are facts should be subject to investigation. There is an agency that has powers to investigate them; the U.S. Department of Justice. If the Ukrainian Prosecutor General signs documents and send them to U.S. Department of Justice without any requests, he will accomplish his mission,” he said, adding that the Ukrainian Prosecutor General has such powers.

      “Considering international corruption in public is a way-out for President Zelensky. I am certain that he is not involved in international corruption,” Derkach said.

      It was reported earlier that Derkach publicized correspondence between the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU) and officers of the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv. According to publicized correspondence, starting from July 14, 2017, the lists of criminal proceedings undertaken by NABU officers were sent from the electronic mailbox of Polina Chyzh, an assistant to NABU first deputy head Gizo Uglava, to the electronic mailbox of Hanna Yemelianova, a legal specialist of the anti-corruption program of the U.S. Justice Department at U.S. Embassy in Ukraine.

      Derkach also said that NABU-leak materials will be published on his Facebook account and materials that he got from investigating journalists have already been passed to Ukraine’s State Bureau of Investigations and the Prosecutor’s General Office.

      He also said he will initiate the creation of an ad hoc parliamentary investigative commission and has already requested launching a criminal case against Ukrainian officials into interference into U.S. elections. The court session is scheduled for October 21, he said.

      Burisma Holdings is a Cyprus-registered gas producing company holding assets in Ukraine. It is one of Ukraine’s top-three independent gas producers headquartered in Kyiv. Zlochevsky is the founder and the ultimate beneficiary owner of the company.

  11. “Proto-straw polls appeared in the presidential election of 1824.”

    – Tom W. Smith, “The First Straw?: A Study of the Origins of Election Polls”

    “the people are nothing but a great beast…
    I have learned to hold popular opinion of no value.”

    -Alexander Hamilton

    “You can’t handle the truth!”

    – Colonel Jessup

    The American Founders did not concern themselves with “polls” because their new nation was to be minimally governed by capable, productive and vested citizens. The Greeks who created democracy, in the form of a restricted-vote republic, the Romans who perpetuated it and the American Founders; all limited and restricted the vote to “…a body of citizens entitled to vote…” in the words of Merriam-Webster.

    The ochlocracy or mobile vulgus (i.e. mob) of dependents, parasites and the “poor” will always outnumber productive and vested citizens. The former were never intended to vote in America. In 1789, voters were generally required to be Male, European, 21 with 50 lbs. Sterling or 50 acres and the Founders must be rolling over in their graves considering their failure to codify those criteria. A more fundamental vote criterion was codified four times; the requirement that citizens be “…free white person(s)…” in the Naturalization Acts of 1790, 1795, 1798 and 1802.

    The American Founders were not detained or delayed by feigned compassion, melodrama or guilt, they proceeded at speed to establish and perpetuate the freedom of individuals to facilitate free enterprise with the goal of enhancing American industrial strength and national prosperity. 59 years later, Karl Marx created communism to enslave individuals and impose the “dictatorship of the proletariat,” that proletariat being the aforementioned dependents, parasites and “poor.”

    “The true reason (says Blackstone) of requiring any qualification, with regard to property in voters, is to exclude such persons, as are in so mean a situation, that they are esteemed to have no will of their own.”

    “If it were probable that every man would give his vote freely, and without influence of any kind, then, upon the true theory and genuine principles of liberty, every member of the community, however poor, should have a vote… But since that can hardly be expected, in persons of indigent fortunes, or such as are under the immediate dominion of others, all popular states have been obliged to establish certain qualifications, whereby, some who are suspected to have no will of their own, are excluded from voting; in order to set other individuals, whose wills may be supposed independent, more thoroughly upon a level with each other.”

    – Alexander Hamilton – The Farmer Refuted, 1775

    republic noun
    re·​pub·​lic | \ ri-ˈpə-blik
    Definition of republic

    b(1) : a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law

  12. There will be a winner & there will be loser. Donald Trump Vs Vince McMahon
    At the 10:20 video mark, there are some poll statistics.

    Ever wonder if Adam Schiff would want to meet Bobby in a closed door session?

      1. hutom:

        “Do you understand 46 is lese than 49? Or you are as dumb as your president?”
        I understand that 55 + 46 is 101 and that’s why I cited the statement I did. So it seems both the POTUS and I are not quite as dumb as you!

        1. Mespo, hutom is all mouth and a mouth can move before the brain engages. (look at the individual letters and reassemble them) Of course he might find another reason for the name hutom but mouth fits him best.

    1. The GOP Senators will follow the polls and many – if not most – will be thrilled to dump the Trump if given the cover.

      1. Anon, since you are presenting your opinion as fact, I wonder what happened when your ‘it’s a fact’ notion claimed that Trump was lying about the numbers of illegal immigrants crossing the border.

      2. as they represent the third largest voting block just a tad behind the second place socialists and many of them are Constitutional Republic Party it’s not a matter of concern. The controlling vote in 2016 was made up of one of the minor vote getting party’s while the other one lost out on votes from the Greens and the Socialists. 40% were unaffiliated or affiliated but independent self governing citizens so the amount needed was fifteen percent. to make the total of 55% Trump versus 45% to the menshevik losers. Those figures will continue as the original poll statement showed. even though they did not represent Constitutional centrists and friends.

        Have you thought of taking bark at the moon lessons again?

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