Gallup: 52 Percent Support Trump’s Impeachment And Removal

There is another poll showing a significant increase in support for the impeachment and removal of President Donald Trump. What should worry the White House is that among the 52 percent of Americans now supporting impeachment in the Gallup poll is a rising number of key independent voters. These various polls reflect, in my view, a continuing failure of the White House to reframe its impeachment strategy and narrative. It is not working. In the end, impeachment could end with a simple party muscle vote but that is not going to win over key voters like independents. There is clearly damage below the water line for the White House and the control of the Senate could rest in the balance.

Trump appears to be holding on to his core supporters with 39 percent approval. That includes an impressive 87 percent of Republicans. However, only 34 percent of independents now approve of Trump’s performance.

For Democrats, support for impeachment is at 90 percent. Only 6 percent of Republicans support impeachment — an amazing gap.

These polling numbers track the trajectory of Richard Nixon before his resignation. In late August 1974, 58 percent in Gallup polling were in support of Nixon’s impeachment — a 300 percent increase from the polling in June 1973. While that trending is comforting for Democrats, there still remain 46 percent against impeachment.

This can be a mixed bag for the Nancy Pelosi who has long expressed a willingness to impeach Trump while actively obstructing efforts to do so. She appears to have lost control of the issue with voters who are now expecting an impeachment vote by the House.

275 thoughts on “Gallup: 52 Percent Support Trump’s Impeachment And Removal”

  1. According to Turley, Trump’s only problem is his inability to “reframe its impeachment strategy and narrative”? I dunno, maybe, just maybe, that’s not Trump’s problem. Maybe the American people can see and understand for themselves what’s really going on, and they don’t like it. Maybe they can see the narcissistic arrogance, endless lying, the tantrums, the immaturity, deference to Putin (Pelosi was spot-on when she noted that with Trump, all roads lead to Putin), the lack of any vision, lack of accomplishments, firing of career diplomats, replaced by inexperienced and unqualified people, the self-dealing (Doral Hotel being used for the 2020 G-7 summit), ties to murderous dictators like MBS and Putin, and currently, ditching the Kurds because Erdogan asked for this and with no forethought planning or consultation with allies and military experts. Even 129 Republicans joined Democrats in the House in rebuking this behavior. The non-transcript summary of the call with the Ukrainian President, in the face of Trump illegally withholding military aid is easy to understand and offensive to American values. Yes, support for impeachment is growing. Why doesn’t Trump do the U.S. a favor and just simply resign now?

    1. Comrade Natacha being one of the primary machine parts of The Collective is another example of why it’s important to have a Democrat Party even though they are far from democratic, there is and never has been a democracy and consistently gives proof there is a distinct non human presence in The Collective. It the proper article to use describing a machine part is rusted in so deep there is no way to claim title to any other form of comment to their existence except Ad Machina.

    2. Why do the parts of The Collective such as a natacha simply own up to being a non human presence. Ad machina. It cannot at this point prove otherwise.

    3. Reframing is a term of the extremist far left. No doubt Comrade Natchagotchas is a phony tool name and part of The Party’s long list of phony names where the only response is Ad Machina.




    Next year’s G-7 gathering of the leaders of the world’s biggest economies will take place at a President Trump’s Doral golf resort outside of Miami, acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney announced on Thursday.

    Mulvaney noted that Doral was Trump’s suggestion that staff followed up on. He said “no” when asked if it was better to avoid the appearance of self-dealing, pointing repeatedly to potential cost-savings. He said he would not share documents on the decision-making process.

    “We haven’t found anything that could even come close to competing with it,” Trump told reporters.

    Mulvaney said on Thursday that he himself was initially skeptical of the idea, but said the event would be “dramatically cheaper” if held at Doral. He said Trump had “made it very clear” that he would not profit from having the resort host.

    Trump’s international properties have also come under scrutiny. This summer, the U.S. Air Force acknowledged that hundreds of service members had stayed at Trump’s Scottish resort during refueling stops there. Vice President Pence also came under scrutiny for staying at Trump’s Irish golf resort during an official visit to Ireland.

    Edited from: “Trump’s Miami Golf Resort To Host G 7 Summit”

    Today’s NPR

    With this announcement Trump admits to being absolutely tone deaf with regards to concerns that he pursues his own interests first and foremost.

    1. Tell me I’m reading this incorrectly. N freaking PR. What a ——- joke. You just quoted communist radio; welfare and affirmative action radio? Over-the-air parasites that can’t compete in open and free markets? They should be embarrassed and ashamed for stealing “alms for the poor.” And you have got to be b———- me!

        1. Spiiiiiiinnnnnnnggggggg WHAP the second mouse gets the cheese. the stupid party gets squashed like a bug.

      1. If others followed up and listed their source as the deviant communist media outlets then there is nothing wrong with Fox using it as a source as any decent citizen would read between the lines and discount the propaganda of the left without real proof. Fpx ot appears was part of the boobytraps mechanism and all that would mean is the trap and ambush worked.

        1. Regarding Above:

          It seems that Trump supporters here are now, more than ever, referencing Trump opponents as ‘communists’. Apparently in the rightwing bubble, Trump is all that stands between us and Maoism.

      2. It is a beautiful property right next to an international busy airport in beautiful Miami. The G7 attendees will love it

        Hillary and Barack are spitting nails


    2. and were the overnighters etc. charged … or not. Given the track record only the media was probably charged. Not the Service Personnel. Same old boobytrapped ambush just waiting to be sprung on the deviants of the far left.

    3. Hill, you should probably try to impeach him over his golf course. It can be attempt number 15.

  3. The mainstream media has been acting as Democrat propaganda for years, in a blatant effort to tilt voting towards Democrats. It is no wonder that anyone who watches the mainstream media would get an inaccurate view of the accusations and evidence. They would most certainly not hear about flaws in the case, or the partisanship, from the MSM.

    From Gallup:

    “Results for this Gallup poll are based on telephone interviews conducted Oct. 1-13, 2019, with a random sample of 1,526 adults, aged 18 and older, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia. For results based on the total sample of national adults, the margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points at the 95% confidence level. All reported margins of sampling error include computed design effects for weighting.

    Each sample of national adults includes a minimum quota of 70% cellphone respondents and 30% landline respondents, with additional minimum quotas by time zone within region. Landline and cellular telephone numbers are selected using random-digit-dial methods.”

    From the poll itself, 71% of conservatives approve of Trump, and 24% disapprove. 5% don’t know/refused. For Liberals, 6% approve of Trump, 92% disapprove, and 2% don’t know/refused. Strong split along party lines.

    Congress rating: 18% of conservatives approve of Congress, 76% disapprove, and 5% dk/refused. 32% of Liberals approve, 61% disapprove, and 6% dk/refused. Bipartisan agreement in disapproval of Congress.>/i>

    On Impeachement: 22% of conservatives think Trump should be impeached, 76% do not, and 2% dk/refused. 87% of Liberals think he should be impeached, 11% do not, and 2% dk/refused. Of Independents, 59% support impeachment, 40% oppose, and 1% dk/refused.

    It is absolutely critical to analyze party breakdown on a hyper partisan issue. What the poll shows is that those who have Leftist tendencies support impeachment, while conservatives do not, and both disapprove of Congress.

    Based on my own observations, Independents are like Democrat-lite. They lean pretty far Left, but not as extreme. It is rare for me to meet an Independent who voted Republican. The concerning trend is that the young, lacking experience and wisdom, are Democrats or Independents, typically. While they rebel against parental authority, they simulataneously desire a benevolent, parental government to take care of them, provide them with all they need plus electronics, so they can go travel, meditate, play on Tinder, and find themselves. Those who are older tend to be more conservative. They have leveled up beyond entry level jobs. Worked long hours, and then seen that money taxed. They worry about how capital gains taxes will wreck their long saved nest egg for retirement. They find millennials entitled, foolish, and annoying.

    With this breakdown, more of our population would be Left than right, desiring government to meet all their needs, utterly unaware of the fate of all the other countries where this has gone down. There are myriad interviews at college campuses where people don’t know who Che Guevara, Mao, or Stalin is. They don’t know about the Holocaust. They certainly don’t know the Nazis were socialist, or its relation to fascism.

    1. I should also note that many Independents, being Left leaning, also watch mainstream media, and there have not accessed any information contrary to impeachment support.

      Finding pros and cons takes effort, which is confusing to millennials.

    2. Except that the former by self acclamation main stream media have not held that title for four plus years but are more accurately known as the lame left stream propagandists, not even media.

      NPR like the other parts of the Stupid Party is one of the following. Far left extremist, far far left extremists and far far far left extremists. Their center is the dash or hyphen between Marx and Engels, occasionaly between Marx/Engels insert hyphen here balanced by Adolf/Benito and let’s not forget using the modern version Benita Pelosillyni and Schumuckley Putz on one side and the Feinstein Schiff Reid cabal with the others using regressive progressive to meld all three.

    3. Based on poll responses of all GOP including the leftist RINO faction, the not really independent faction of the far left and not including the faction of self governing independents that provided 40% of the vote in 2016 and let me add the legitimate vote in the legitimate election.

  4. Gallup Gallup bo ballup….
    Bananna fanna fo foulup….
    If the first two horses are ever the same…
    You lock one up and play the game.

  5. Impeachment talk is cheap. C’mon Dems! Grow a pair and just do it. And, after it’s all over, you’ll probably want to go back and take that statistics course you skipped in college.

    1. Rep. Elijah Cummings was a chest-thumping warrior adversary of the President, an “unassailable”, “teflon” warrior, hero of the liberal media. Now he is dead

      Expect vacillating Dems to back off completely and abandon Pelosi.

      Additionally most people fear death and many will see the sudden and inexplicable death of Cummings as an ominous, dark foreboding or a sign. Death has a way of shrinking the proud, the powerful, the brazen into sobbing, begging men. Kubler-Ross comes to mind

      Only fools and atheists (redundant) think they are special.

        1. Anon, does Estovir sound like someone with a hospital position who ‘mentors’ young men?? Because comments like the above read like they were written by a hospital ‘patient’.

        2. Anon1:
          Why do I think that “spirits” not only decide but drown your fate?

  6. By 74 Nixon was in the high 50’s, and it took time to get there. Trump’s numbers are rising by the week.

    1. Fishwings,
      By 1974, Nixon’s approval rating was mostly in the mid-20s. It had started a decline in the spring of 1973 when the Senate held their televised investigations.
      A combination of the Saturday Night Massacre, the Arab Oil Embargo, and additional evidence coming to light caused his numbers to really tank by the end of 1973.
      I don’t think he got any kind of a meaningful bounce from the roughly 25% approval rating at any point in 1974; he resigned in Aug. of ’74.

      1. Fishwings,
        I see that you were referring to the percentage favoring Nixon’s impeachment, not Nixon’s approval rating.
        My mistake.

      2. Fishwings, Anonymous, I was struck by that contrast to Nixon. By August of 1974, Watergate was more than a year old in terms of headlines and hearings. Whereas this Ukraine scandal has only just begun.

        1. It seems unlikely that Trump’s core support group will abandon Trump.
          Nixon at one time had a high, broad based approval rating.
          But he did not have that level of support from an extremely loyal c.41-42% core support group which would be unlikely to turn against him.
          Trump’s approval numbers have been stuck the low 40s for about two years. I don’t think that the core support group’s numbers will change significantly.
          It’s true that the “Ukrainegate” impeachment talk is a recent development.
          The impeachment Bonanza so many had hoped for was “Russiagate”, but ultinately there wasn’t enough there in the Mueller Report ( or his testimony) to significantly advance the impeachment effort .
          The emoluments lawsuits appear to be headed nowhere, and there have been high expectations at times that some financial crime will surface to do Trump in.
          So Ukraine is the latest in a series of “let’s see if we can find ‘some reason’ to impeach Trump” efforts.
          And since it’s coming on the heels of all of the impeachment talk that been swirling around since Trump was sworn into office, the core group of supporters is going to continue to perceive this as just one more political stunt.

          1. Anonymous, that 40% base can only reelect Trump if the Democrats totally self-destruct. That could happen, of course. But it would be a very lame victory with no mandate to govern.

            1. winning the election IS the mandate to govern in America. or at least it used to be before Trump and “the resistance” a nationwide conspiracy of foot draggers, saboteurs, and their apologists.

              you’re using the term “mandate” in the looser sense, I understand, and it’s a valid use of the word in the context of government. We might speak of whether or not some Chinese government had the “mandate of heaven” or not, regardless of any elections that didn’t happen there.

              But you guys have barely acknowledged that he won the election at all, ie, this emphasis on the popular vote with the lawful result of the Electoral college and so forth.

              we may not see very many “mandates” coming out of elections going forwards. the good news is that both parties have been so habitually timid, selfish, and corrupt, overall, that they’re unlikely to do anything very dramatic even if they get one. it will mostly just slide sideways downwards slowly is my general sense, over the long haul.

              Trump is an anomaly who’s breathed temporary vigor into Republicans to be something more than mere placeholders, but, in one year or in five, he will be done. Much as I like Trump, I still retain a large amount of distaste for Republican party as such. It remains to be seen if he leaves a legacy of intestinal fortitude or the scoundrels just resume where they left off before he rose to leadership.

              Right now the interesting ferment 10 years out is on the Democratic side. I think they WILL LOSE in 202, but I don’t know how they can lose in 2024. I think Andrew Yang is very strong for the emerging changes in economy due to AI and robotics which are generally under-appreciated for how much of an impact they are having and will have.

              Also, Pete Buttigieg I feel is now emerging as a moderate leader in the Dem party, which is to say, not a radical, unlike the Progs and the “Squad” etc. In spite of him being gay, which is mostly irrelevant at this point in American history, he’s mostly made his mark by just acting temperate and calm and not-crazy like some of the rest. As a mayor, he was no wunderkind, but moderately successful and responsible. Now, I think he’s taken credit for what a lot of other good local Democratic leadership had laid as a foundation before him, but, mostly a responsible and effective mayor, in spite of a deteriorating crime situation, which is not really his fault. It’s mostly the criminal’s fault in the first place, and big forces are in play in America making the criminals feel restless, all over.

              The funny thing about America is that as powerful as the government is, the hidden hand of private forces are more powerful. People are getting a sense of this now. People want a strong Presidency to counteract the chaos that they feel eating away at what few certainties they ever thought they had.

              It was an emerging trend with GB II with his GWOT command decisions, continued with Obama and all his XOs and it’s continuing in a different way with Trump and his populism. And whomever whenever someone comes after him, the office of the Presidency will only get stronger, in whatever ways it can at the time. This is the arc of history and globalism’s mercenary private forces are fighting it, but I think the logic of politics in the end is going to win out over the logic of globalism. But we shall see.

              1. Klobuchar is the stronger moderate for the GE, not Mayor Pete, who is too young, too short (for a male), and too gay to win an election in 2020 America. By 2028 maybe, though he won’t be any taller.

                As Douthat said yesterday, dream ticket is Klobuchar/Booker if Dems can get there and that’s what I said – not here – 4-5 months ago. Female/Male, white/black/, midwest/eastern urban. solid and serious/likeable goofy but inspirational.

                1. did you catch the CNN guy saying on the surreptitious recording that they dont like Yang and Klobuchar?
                  I thought of you.

                  I’ve met Pete in person. Just bumped into him. Nothing special. Being out here around in Flyover, it’s a small world.

                  Pete is not short. he’s not tall, however. On the lower side of medium height. there is a pic with Beto out there which makes him look short. he isn’t. beto is very tall.

                  Pete does not carry himself like a gay dude. If I didn’t know he was gay I wouldn’t have guessed. but I am not very familiar with gay things, it’s not a concern of mine, suffice to say he’s not a femme.

                  Pete’s a rising star in midwestern Democratic circles, obviously. Among the Rust belt suburbs of Chicago, Saint Joseph County is 80 miles out eastwards into Indiana, but of comparatively larger importance as a local Democratic stronghold in a conservative Republican state. Trust me nobody like Chicago’s current mayor Lori Lightfoot is going to get elected to anything in Saint Joseph county. Not even a slot on the city council.

                  Pete’s fundraising after debate bumped up fast. he connects with a lot of regular people in a way Crazy Liz doesn’t. Nor Bernie. The guy is not a radical, I’m telling you. He could go a lot farther than mayor.

                  1. I’m fine with Mayor Pete and I’d vote for him in the general and be happy if he won. But like all the candidates besides Klobuchar, he’s risky as a candidate. Democrats should not want their candidate to become an issue when Trump is enough to give them the WH. Besides, Klobuchar is much more accomplished.

                    If you think about it, all the presidents since Carter are 6′ or more. Not an accident, though I agree it is frivolous. Just being realistic.

                2. Anon1 – Mayor Pete won the last debate, even though CNN had it in the bag for Warren.

            2. Hill, I was looking at the impeachment issue; I don’t think it’s likely to get that 40-42% base to back impeachment.
              Whereas in Nixon’s case, he didn’t have that kind of an “unshakeable base”.
              As far as Trump’s prospects for reelection, that low 40s base is not a ceiling, and some polls of “likely voters” show that base to be a bit higher. That brings Trump to a point we’re he doesn’t have to peel off very many independents to win in 2020.
              The “pro-Trump” and anti-Trump bases are pretty much dug in to those positions, so a relatively small number of the independent voters, and maybe about a half dozen or so battleground states, will determine the outcome next year.

              1. Anonymous, the impeachment inquiry has only begun and already several shoes have dropped; most notably Giuliani’s relationship to those Soviet-born money bundlers. Revelations concerning those guys could knock down Trump’s support by at least 10% among ‘mainstream’ Republicans.

                1. Peter, Hill Shill aka Gates and some others. Impeachment started right after Trump won the election. Before that he was spied upon and the lefties tried to take him out with lies and innuendo. The present impeachment is just a continuation of a dream created by stupid leftists and now also followed by those leftists forced into the situation.

                  The facts you have placed on the table have fallen one by one so far leaving the lefties with a problem. All the prior impeachment efforts failed and this one has no legs. In the process Biden’s legs are being cut out from underneath him and leftist voices that have a different set of opinions like Tulsi are being forced out by the Stalinist type of leftists that have power along with their fawning MSM media and high tech media companies

                  Trump 2020

                    1. ” woe is me.”

                      YNOT, We all understand. You have problems expressing yourself and providing cogent ideas. Woe is you is about right. Why don’t you join anonymous in copying things posted by others? Do you think you are more mentally developed than him? Probably, but that isn’t a great feat.

          2. “It seems unlikely that Trump’s core support group will abandon Trump.”

            Why would Trump’s core support group abandon Trump? He has been doing what he promised to do and those that object to some of his behavior voted for him the first time knowning the behavior exists. Trump is doing a great job.

            Trump 2020

          1. The republicans talked impeachment for 8 years under Obama. But that’s OK, cause republicans don’t understand the word hypocrisy.

            1. Fishwings, I don’t remember impeachment talk when Obama was inaugurated in 2009, or after he was elected in Nov. 2008.
              Maybe you can go back and provide examples of immediate talk of impeachment right after Obama ( or any other president) was elected.
              Had this Ukraine business not been preceded by years of earlier attempts to find “something”, some reason, to impeach Trump, it might have gotten more traction.
              But coming after about three years seeing Trump opponents crying the impeachment wolf, the Ukraine stuff doesn’t have the bite it might otherwise have had.
              Pelosi’s refusal to hold a full House vote to launch the impeachment inquiry is another factor that Trump will use to his advantage.

      3. One other thing about Nixon: when the writing was on the wall, and Republicans told him they had no choice other than to vote for impeachment, he did the right thing: he resigned to spare the country the turmoil that fighting impeachment would cause. Nixon was a Naval officer, and ultimately a patriot, so he put the U.S. first. Trump is neither a patriot nor veteran, and he hasn’t an altruistic bone in his body. If he was confronted with the same situation, the only way he would voluntarily leave would be to avoid the spectacle of a public drubbing that would be humiliating for him, since his life is devoted to his massive ego. So long as the cameras are rolling and he can attend rallies and receive the adulation of the deplorables, he won’t go away. Therefore, this country will be put through a degree of internal strife, chaos and distress not seen since Viet Nam, all to protect his ego, and for what? Not only can he not win, he can’t lead. He hasn’t been able to lead this country up to now, or even come close to a 50% approval rating in any valid poll. There were historically-large protest rallies after he “won the victory”. His only “accomplishments” were shoving through controversial SCOTUS appointments and massive tax breaks for the most-wealthy, and that’s only because the Senate is Republican. There’s no wall or check from Mexico to pay for it. His policies and conduct result in one adverse court ruling after another. It’s time for him to leave.

    2. Well, Nixon had his election people using illegal means to surveil and disrupt his opponent in an election.
      With Trump, he had his election people being surveilled with FISA wiretaps based on phony cause, and suffered a push for impeachment from day one. The difference is, the side that was doing the bogus surveillance actually lost, and Trump’s side was actually the victim of the harassment! But these facts don’t matter to some people.

      Now they think they can switch the resistance narrative from “Russians” to “Ukrainians” and nobody will notice.

      they also think they can elicit a quid pro quo even though the ambassador has testified that Trump instructed him clearly NO QUID PRO QUO

      When the boss tells the point man, in clear plain English, NO QUID PRO QUO, i find it hard to imagine that there will be contrary credible evidence to support an allegation of corrupt intent.

      but we know that sometimes those on a jury don’t really need evidence to convict, they just need a vote to convict.,,, impeachment is no different in the end…. And sometimes prosecutors succeed in convincing people that words mean one thing but the intent was exactly opposite. And sometimes a jury buys it. So maybe Democrat leadership are thinking they can, through the salami slicing process of daily negative press, get everyone to believe Trump had corrupt intent in the Ukraine situation, even though there’s no evidence of it, just because.

      if so then Democrat leadership doesn’t really want people to use their eyes and brains and reason. but they also want us to believe that a boy can be a girl and vice versa, so, I wouldn’t be surprised if that sort of irrational mania has permeated all their fields of endeavor.

      1. Kurtz, it’s clear from the texts that Sondland and Taylor became aware of the trail they were leaving – “Call me”. “We need to quit this back and forth on texts” – and soon after came the legalistic “no QPQ” text which Hill testified Sondland knew was false when he sent it and also expected tesitmony from Sondland the Trump dictated that text for him. Everythinh else about the Stae Dept texts and the conversations Trump had show the obvious QPQ, including conversations the Stae D guys had with their counterpart in the Uk government as well as their internal discussions. You have to not want to believe it to even pretend it’s not there.

        1. Anon1 – I have had that exact type of conversation by email and finally decided it would be faster to deal with it by phone. Sometimes written communications just doesn’t do the trick.

          1. PCS has had “that exact type of conversation”!

            Why am I not surprised — PCS knows everything, can quip in ten words or less — alluding to high level sources he can’t divulge.

            PCS is the instant expert:

            1. Greg T – if you had read the whole para you would have realized that you can get into a back and forth on email or text, etc. However, it would be faster to pick up the phone, call and get it all solved.

              1. The Collective left isn’t programmed to make to use sense and reason. They aren’t alowed to think or take independent action.

              2. “…if you had read the whole para you would have realized that you can get into a back and forth on email or text, etc.”

                Oh, I read the whole ‘para’, PCS. That’s why I’m still laughing.

                The record is starting to speak for itself.

                BTW, who were those high level contacts you couldn’t divulge to Anon1 some weeks ago?

                Still have more ammo, PCS? Still threatening sheriffs with your self image of brave freedom fighter from an armchair?



                1. Greg T. – what the hell are you talking about. The two links are from 20 months ago.

                  1. So?

                    Thanks, Greg T.

                    In reference to the following:

                    “Paul C Schulte says:October 17, 2019 at 5:18 PM
                    Greg T. – what the hell are you talking about. The two links are from 20 months ago.”

        1. Said from the comfort of her or his own home — without any real life experiences to back it all up. “It’s a reasonable wager.”

          “The banality of evil” comes to mind when I read some of the comments of This is absurd x ?.

          1. Hi Diane. You’ve found a Starbucks with WiFi Darren hasn’t struck-off,I see.

            1. You’re delusional. I’ve always posted freely, here.

              The only one of us who might be someone named Diane is you, cookie.

    1. Tabby, is PJ media your main source? I looked at their main home page; not much by way of hard news. The only coverage on Syria asks readers to give it time to work.

      The story you linked creates this nightmare vision where good American Christians live in terror of ANTIFA mobs. Based on this story, Christians should be applying for refugee status to any country that will take them. Interestingly the story presumes that every reader knows exactly who ANTIFA is. No need to explain!

      The story notes that Minneapolis police made only ‘one’ arrest. One could interpret that to mean the ANTIFA mobs were relatively tame. But in the Trump bubble that implies a deep state conspiracy to cover-up the terror. In any event, the story projects a distorted culture of victimhood reflecting Trump’s persecution complex.

        1. Kurtz, the Trump campaign has stiffed several cities with regards to security costs. If Trump rallies require heavy security, Trump should use his own vast wealth to hire off-duty cops.

          But one could argue that a president appealing to America’s worst instincts, with race-baiting, name-calling and wild conspiracies, is bringing out the worst in his opponents.

          Did Mitt Romney draw ANTIFA mobs?

          1. “the Trump campaign has stiffed several cities with regards to security costs”

            Those same cities didn’t charge Obama or any other President.

            ” president appealing to America’s worst instincts”

            Yes, Trump’s exixtence shows the left’s racism, anti-Americanism and inability to tell the truth. Than goodness for Trump lighting up the horrid actions of the left.

            “Did Mitt Romney draw ANTIFA mobs?”

            Many conservatives were attacked by ANTIFA mobs. Was Romney attacked by ANTIFA? Is Romney a conservative? Are RINO’s conservatives? Peter, you have a tendency to create your own definitions and your own facts. It’s fun watching you twist your own words around so that you get tangled up in them.

          2. of course not. I have a hypothesis that Soros’ minions dispense money down the NGO chain to say who gets protested aggressively and who doesn’t. The ANTIFA who think they’re fighting global capitalism are doing something closer to helping it.

            Trump is feared by the plutocrats of globalism, Romney IS a plutocrat of globalism. And a snooty one. I didn’t vote for him. Nor Obama. Just left that box blank.

            Trump’s rich, but he’s a leader among billionaires not a follower. Like FDR was.

          3. Kurtz, the Trump campaign has stiffed several cities with regards to security costs.

            Given the staffing and monthly payroll of the Minneapolis Police Department, the bill Mayor Frey attempted to collect amounted to a claim that providing security required a devotion of 2,100 man-shifts of labor. The department has just shy of 900 sworn officers and 350 civilian staff.

            1. DSS – you don’t suppose those farmers in Minnie Sota were trying to slide one by the Trump Organization and pay for the annual picnic?

  7. After barrage of non-stop negativity in the media, to the point that some “journos” playing substitutes for politicians, against legitimately elected president from day one what else would you expect.

    1. UH, so you think Trump didn’t try to jack up the Ukrainian president for dirt on a political rival, lie and brag without compunction all day every day, stab past allies in the back when it suited him (see ex-WH staff, cabinet members, and now the Kurds), and generally disgrace the WH and America with his obvious moral unfitness?


      1. “UH, so you think Trump didn’t try to jack up the Ukrainian president for dirt on a political rival, lie and brag without compunction all day every day, stab past allies in the back when it suited him (see ex-WH staff, cabinet members, and now the Kurds), and generally disgrace the WH and America with his obvious moral unfitness?”
        Well let’s see now: Trump says he didn’t; the Ukrainian President and foreign minister say he didn’t; the Ukrainians didn’t know anything was being held up at the time of the call; and the call transcript corroborates both parties version of events. The Kurds? Allies? Please.

        Even Nurse/Lawyer/Indian Chief Nutasha could defend that “extortion” case assuming someone was silly enough to bring it.

        1. Trump lies all the time and the Ukrainian president is in no position to contradict him.

          The Ukrainians certainly did know that aid was being held up as Trump’s tools were discussing it with their counterparts in the Ukrainian government – see State Dept texts.

          1. Well, so matter what the evidence, it’s “Orange Man Bad.” Must be fun to live in a rationality-free world. Are the unicorns blue, too?

            1. I don’t see a response to the facts in that, and given you don’t know them, not a surprise.

              1. Anon1:

                “I don’t see a response to the facts in that, and given you don’t know them, not a surprise.”
                Kinda hard to respond to your OPINIONS when you don’t provide the unlettered factual basis for them. So now, after having done my research to your oblique facts, here they are. Remember that all the words matter:

                [9/9/19, 12:31:06 AM] Bill Taylor: The message to the Ukrainians (and Russians) we send with the decision on security assistance is key. With the hold, we have already shaken their faith in us. Thus my nightmare scenario.

                [9/9/19, 12:34:44 AM] Bill Taylor: Counting on you to be right about this interview, Gordon.

                [9/9/19, 12:37:16 AM] Gordon Sondland: Bill, I never said I was “right”. I said we are where we are and believe we have identified the best pathway forward. Lets hope it works.

                [9/9/19, 12:47:11 AM] Bill Taylor: As I said on the phone, I think it’s crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign.

                𝟗/𝟗/𝟏𝟗, 𝟓:𝟏𝟗:𝟑𝟓 𝐀𝐌] 𝐆𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐨𝐧 𝐒𝐨𝐧𝐝𝐥𝐚𝐧𝐝: 𝐁𝐢𝐥𝐥, 𝐈 𝐛𝐞𝐥𝐢𝐞𝐯𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐧𝐜𝐨𝐫𝐫𝐞𝐜𝐭 𝐚𝐛𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐏𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐓𝐫𝐮𝐦𝐩’𝐬 𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐬. 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐏𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐛𝐞𝐞𝐧 𝐜𝐫𝐲𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐥 𝐜𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐫 𝐧𝐨 𝐪𝐮𝐢𝐝 𝐩𝐫𝐨 𝐪𝐮𝐨’𝐬 𝐨𝐟 𝐚𝐧𝐲 𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐝. 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐏𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐫𝐲𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐨 𝐞𝐯𝐚𝐥𝐮𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐰𝐡𝐞𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝐔𝐤𝐫𝐚𝐢𝐧𝐞 𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐫𝐮𝐥𝐲 𝐠𝐨𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐨 𝐚𝐝𝐨𝐩𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐬𝐩𝐚𝐫𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐲 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐫𝐞𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐦𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐏𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐙𝐞𝐥𝐞𝐧𝐬𝐤𝐲 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐦𝐢𝐬𝐞𝐝 𝐝𝐮𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐜𝐚𝐦𝐩𝐚𝐢𝐠𝐧 𝐈 𝐬𝐮𝐠𝐠𝐞𝐬𝐭 𝐰𝐞 𝐬𝐭𝐨𝐩 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐛𝐚𝐜𝐤 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐭𝐡 𝐛𝐲 𝐭𝐞𝐱𝐭 𝐈𝐟 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐜𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐬 𝐈 𝐫𝐞𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐝 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐠𝐢𝐯𝐞 𝐋𝐢𝐬𝐚 𝐊𝐞𝐧𝐧𝐚 𝐨𝐫 𝐒 𝐚 𝐜𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐭𝐨 𝐝𝐢𝐬𝐜𝐮𝐬𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦 𝐝𝐢𝐫𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐥𝐲. 𝐓𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐤𝐬.

                You really ought to get back to pouring that footing. It’s won’t prove you a liar as easily as this.

          2. Anon – contrary to the evidence, and the word of both parties involved, you keep declaring that you know better. That’s an emotional argument.

            Foreign leaders have no compunction against criticizing Trump at any time. There would be nothing preventing Ukraine from doing so, if warranted, as it would not affect Congress. Ukraine would, in fact, be in a position to contradict Trump.

            It is rather amusing to follow this tortured Leftist logic: An accusation was made. The transcript of the phone call was promptly produced and refuted it. Ukraine’s PM refuted it. Trump refuted it. And it turns out the accuser never had first hand knowledge of it all it.

            Left’s response – they are ALL liars, including Ukraine! If they don’t support the accusation of a man who wasn’t even there, and who met repeatedly with Democratic Presidential candidates, and Schiff, then clearly they MUST be lying!!! Otherwise this won’t benefit Democrats.

            I think the is the 13th impeachment attempt. Now they have grassroots efforts trying to comb through illegally obtained tax returns, hoping that the IRS missed something, in a 14th effort.

            Total banana republic. If people want to ruin the country and the economy that bad, they might just get what they work for. Our freedoms will become the legends told to children while they glean food from trash cans, under yet another Leftist dictatorship.

            1. OK Karen, thanks for another long screed explaining how you manage to believe whatever the worst liar to ever grace the American political stage says, but I’m not reading all that. Keep it to a para or 2 and maybe.

              Of course the evidence is clear, and no, Trump’s word has long ago been devalued to the equivalency of mailers for hearing aids and the statements of people under duress, like the Ukrainian president is similarly useless. I’m sorry you don’t already know that as any well informed person should, especially those compulsively shooting of their mouths, but educating you is not my full time job.

              I suggest you go to the library and read the last weeks coverage by the WSJ, NYTs, and WaPo and in no time you’ll be kicking sand in the face of the Hannity watchers on the beach….. like i DO..

              1. Ok, I understand. You just believe anything bad about Trump because he’s a fibber.

                Well, you know, Bill Clinton was a fibber too, but he was plenty credible about certain things.

                Here, I don’t see any qpq. Just more delusional stuff and an ongoing pressure campaing against Trump because you don’t like his policies, supporters, tone, etc.

              2. A lot of accusations by Anon, but no fact. He provides lies, opinion and anonymous sources. I don’t think a significant fact aiding the discussion was produced by Anon in his last 25 – 50 postings. He needs to take some Lomotil.

                1. “A lot of accusations by Anon, but no fact.”
                  He’s waiting for his talking points memo from Heir Soros. The carrier buzzard was late today from the castle.

                2. None by you either, Allan.

                  As stated on another thread, you claim adherence to fact yet offer few.

                  The majority of your posts are nothing but ad hominem with the suggestions of medication needed.

                  You denigrate yourself by self-reference with every post you make.

                  1. Greg T. I offer loads of fact though you probably discount fact and substitute it with your own opinions.

                    I just replied to you with fact. Trump permitted the White House staff to be questioned by Mueller and he released a tremendous volume of papers. On Ukraine he almost immediately released the transcript of the conversation with the Ukranian President along with other papers.

                    That demonstrates that you don’t know what you are talking about.

                    1. “…loads of fact…”

                      Quickly followed by, “…though you probably discount fact and substitute it with your own opinions.”

                      Sure, Allan.

                      I’ve read little ‘fact’ from you for a few years now. As is typical of you, you accuse others of your very weaknesses.

                      You present your ‘arguments’ with words never offered by your opponents. A sure sign of a weak mind.

                      Your ‘arguments’ are nothing but insults, bravado, and straight up whining.

                      You’re a fool, bested by only PCS.

                    2. “You’re a fool, bested by only PCS.”

                      Thank you Greg for placing me in the best of company, PCS. You on the other hand don’t know what you are talking about. Please don’t start sounding like that other idiot I had to contend with a short while back. I provided you with fact, but yes, at times I have to deal with the stupid and yes sometimes it is necessary to inform some people exactly what they are, Stupid.

                      You can join the crowd if you wish though perhaps you are already one of them.

                      Now that we are done with the introductions, do you have anything useful to say?

                  1. Get it clear confession is in your mind not Mulvaney’s. Learn to read what he said instead of repeating the errant words of others.

                    1. I am running low on 8 balls of crystal meth plus my boyfriend sold my pipe to someone, so forgive me for being a tad messy


                    2. “forgive me for being a tad messy”

                      Messy you are. Anon, it seems the meth is bringing great joy in your life. I didn’t know you had a boyfriend. I thought you were married and heterosexual.You must be making a bad joke and at the same time the joke casts aspersions on anyone who might have chosen an alternative lifestyle. You talk a good story of equality but when we get down to your basic prejudices they glare a hideous light.

        2. When the target of a suspected extortion attempt says he was not extorted or even pressured, it does make it difficult to make the case for extortion.

  8. Does anybody believe anybody is doing legitimate polls anymore?

    Gallup polls adults. Not registered voters, or even likely voters. You can get 52% of adults to agree that it’s time to investigate who let the dogs out.

    Fox’s poll had a similar sentiment…produced by a sample that was 48% democrat.

    They are all lying. Actions speak louder than polls, and every action from the left and overseas (here’s looking at you, China) demonstrate that everybody knows that Trump is getting reelected, and in a landslide at that.

    1. Not sure it’s possible to do legitimate polls nowadays. You can use 1948 methods and go door-to-door, but that skews your sample by excising younger childless people. Random digit dialing, the mainstay of polls for decades, collars only people who still have landlines (also excluding the young). Online polls present a different set of problems.

  9. I’m really surprised that it’s not higher. With the 24/7 bad press he receives, it’s amazing it’s only 52%.

    1. Bad press? How about 24/7 lying POS braggart who everybody knows can’t be trusted and who uses the power of the office to try to get foreign governments help his campaign?

      Or didn’t you notice?

        1. The Feds investigated foreign interference in our elections, a legitimate action which was not part of a political campaign. Trump was not engaged in a legitimate investigation using our lawful agencies, but was seeking dirt on a political rival from a foreign government using the power of the office as a bribe.

          I’m sure on reflection you will agree this is not something we can ignore and will not want future presidents to feel free to pursue.

          1. Every step of the way the President has released people and transcripts for the Mueller report and Ukraine providing transparency that seldom was seen during Obama’s years in office so it makes these lefties look as silly as can be. Whatever Trump does will be criticized by the left because the left has no concrete policy proposals. The best the left can do is to complain about Ukraine and despite the transcripts being provided to the public Schiff’s and the left’s response is to create a lie and read from a transcript pretending that transcript was of the Ukraine discussion.

            1. Enter Allan’s DreamWorld:

              “Every step of the way the President has released people and transcripts for the Mueller report and Ukraine …”

              Are you kidding!! Trump has fought tooth and nail to keep “people and transcripts” from being ‘released’.

              You are blinded by your your own venom.

              1. Trump permitted his entire White House staff to testify in front of Mueller along with releasing tons of papers. Did you stick yourself with your own needle?

                Ukraine: Trump released the complete transcript in about 48 hours after it was questioned and has released other things as well.

                3 years of investigation of Trump by Democrats using the FBI and CIA is not enough? Threatening impeachment is not enough. Have you no idea of the venom those you support possess?

            2. Whatever Trump does will be criticized by the left because the left has no concrete policy proposals.

              That’s pretty true globally. What the Democratic Party serves up is business-as-usual (typically a brew of mediocrity and corruption) or harassment gestures directed at various social segments they despise (e.g. non-exotic wage-earners, white males, gun hobbyists, evangelicals, &c). It’s hate and status games all the way down.

              1. DSS you can see this in the news media. I am going to repost something that didn’t go through earlier this morning or again just a few minutes ago.

                Polls are influenced by what people read in the media but gradually as the truth comes out the polls change and when election time comes the polls can be meaningless as seen with the election of Donald Trump.

                CNN has been exposed as a mouthpiece for the DNC and anything anti-Trump. Project Veritas’s latest videos are a series of 3 showing that CNN isn’t interested in providing the news. They are interested in creating it. I will post the http for the third video below.

                  1. Some select quotes with *** instead of an s


                    Manager of Field Operations at CNN Patrick Davis Complains “We Could Be So Much Better Than What We Are.”

                    “I Haven’t Listened to a 9AM (Rundown) Call in About 15 Years…Just, I Can’t Listen to It,” Explains Davis, “It’s All Just a Bunch of Bull***hit.”

                    Field Production Supervisor at CNN Gerald Sisnette: “The Only Way This Will Go Away is When He (Trump) Dies. Hopefully Soon.”

                    “They Sold Themselves to the Devil. It’s, It’s Sad.” Laments Floor Manager at CNN Mike Brevna.

                    “We Used to Cover News,” Complains Senior Field Engineer at CNN Scott Garber, “We Used to Go Out and Do Stories.”

                    Zucker Admits to Being Personally Responsible for Impeachment Coverage: “I Am the One Saying We Should Just Stay on Impeachment.”

                    Conflict is What Sells,” Explains CNN Media Coordinator Christian Sierra, “Create Clicks, Get More Money.”

  10. Yes, there is a narrow road to removal. But the most important question the voters face is this: Will the People support a Senate trial where the defendant is denied the FULL PROTECTION of the Constitution and Bill of Rights? It doesn’t matter that there is no Constitutional requirement for that. The Whistleblower complaint is really an inside job investigation by some third-rate Bob Woodward deep-stater to destroy Trump. Everything impeachable is laid out for everyone to see, and various other reasons to impeach are also available. If the Dems stay true to form, and line up a multitude of witnesses and documents, Trump wins. You could get a defense team of first year law students to create their own parade of “necessary” witnesses and documents that will take FOREVER to present in a public trial in the Senate. Just look at how the complaint relies on dozens of unnamed government workers as the “source” for its claims. The ONLY way to get to two-thirds is if the Dems shamelessly demagogue it enough to deny Trump the same opportunities to defend himself that would be available to any American citizen.But unless they grab that kind of power, impeachment is dead. And if that happens, the Dems will have to have the kind of candidate to withstand the howling winds of the Trump storm. Nancy has good reason to be worried about that.

      1. Well the Constitution does say “try” cases of impeachment. The important thing to remember is that there is an empowerment in the Constitution for the Senate to try cases of impeachment but it’s not a mandate for the Senate to try such cases. The Senate can do what it wants simply by changing it’s own rules. Since it’s the “sole” source of such power of removal, if it doesn’t want to – as seems likely — it doesn’t have to with or without a “trial” and the Dims are powerless to stop it.

        1. If you read newspapers you’d know McConnell has recently said he will have no choice but to allow the case to proceed in the Senate.

          1. “If you read newspapers you’d know McConnell has recently said he will have no choice but to allow the case to proceed in the Senate.”
            Well, if you read carefully you’s know he said:

            I would have no choice but to take it up,” McConnell said. “How long you’re on it is a whole different matter, but I would have no choice but to take it up, 𝐛𝐚𝐬𝐞𝐝 𝐨𝐧 𝐚 𝐒𝐞𝐧𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐫𝐮𝐥𝐞 𝐨𝐧 𝐢𝐦𝐩𝐞𝐚𝐜𝐡𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭.” [emphasis mine].


            Yes all the words matter. But as you told us in a previous thread, precise reading isn’t critical to your opinions. So this little obfuscation seems to be a natural and endemic feature of your incessant beatings.

            1. You wrote:

              “The Senate can do what it wants simply by changing it’s own rules. Since it’s the “sole” source of such power of removal, if it doesn’t want to – as seems likely — it doesn’t have to with or without a “trial” and the Dims are powerless to stop it.”

              Feel free to try and square those 2 posts, though no one really GAF if you do.

              1. “Feel free to try and square those 2 posts, though no one really GAF if you do.”
                I won’t since anyone with a linear mind knows there is nothing contradictory about either. So I won’t do the flashcard for you.

  11. Moody’s Analytics has accurately predicted presidential races since 1980 except once, 2016, when they failed to account for “unexpected turnout patterns” (i.e. Midwest states). They predict Trump will pickup states in 2020

    “In our post-mortem of the 2016 presidential election model…We determined that unexpected turnout patterns were one of the factors that contributed to the model’s first incorrect election prediction.”

    “Trump would hold on to key industrial Midwest states and pick up New Hampshire, Virginia and Minnesota, assuming historical average nonincumbent turnout.”

    “Under the current Moody’s Analytics baseline economic outlook, which does not forecast any recession, the 2020 election looks like Trump’s to lose…..Democrats can still win if they are able to turn out the vote at record levels, but, under normal turnout conditions, the president is projected to win.”

    1. Ciboney – the last map is the most interesting one. With low turnout Trump turns 5 states and wins 400 electoral votes. So far the Democrats have not put anyone exciting into the field.

    1. Not just a racist, but a ghoul with no moral compass – fits the profile Trump appeals to.

    2. Rep. Elijah Cummings was young at age 68 and died at a Hospice center which is odd. Hospice is for terminal illness with the patient having 6 months or less to live if the illness runs its expected course

      He had a history of heart problems in his early 60s including aortic stenosis, an aortic valve replacement and numerous hospital admits. All of these are strange considering aortic valve replacements more often occur at age > 70 with men who have poorly controlled chronic health problems: being obese, diabetic, hypertensive, cholesterol, smoking….all treatable and preventable especially for a man of his wealth

      There is more to the story of his “history of health complications”.
      Why hide it?

      For a politician who was theatric and shill about transparency and gunning after Trump for the “future of democracy”, his sudden death at a young age and being wealthy are telling.

      Pelosi, Nadler, Trump, McConnell should take note

    3. How very gracious of you Squeeky. Your post is missing only the addition of party hat emojis.

      1. If those of us on the left were of equal mind we could be celebrating meth lab explosions out on State Road 27 near Bumblebreed W Virginia.

      2. There is nothing to celebrate. Old Elijah will just be replaced by another Uncle Tom house Negro from the Democratic Plantation. Probably not one who got a free Democratic government shower back in Alabama. but a younger. more energetic black race traitor.

        Am I being cynical???

        Squeeky Fromm
        Girl Reporter

    4. “Off topic, but Elijah Cummings croaked last night.”
      One less race hustler to sit around in the dark in the House of Representatives trying to look relevant and woke.

  12. Partisan Democrats no longer have any critical engagement with their social world. What’s distressing about this is that Pelosi and CNN et al have succeeded in selling utter humbug to LIVs. We’ve learned that a large bloc of unaligned voters suggest we impeach the President due to …. a Biden family scandal.

    Idiocracy is now.

  13. I notice that Gallup did not break the numbers down on their poll. No breakdown, no trust. Gallup has always polled well for the Democrats.

    1. Paul – I downloaded the original poll. I don’t think I can post a document here.

      The breakdown on party affiliation is in my post above. It’s basically along party lines.

      1. Karen S – I saw the breakdown, but I did not see the % of each. They also do everybody, not just voter.

        1. Paul – sorry, I didn’t include that above.

          Republican = 462
          Independent = 612
          Democrat = 419

          As Independents favor voting Democrat, the poll is heavily weighted Left.

  14. Lots of denialism. Gallup is a good polster (unlike Rasmusen who has been a safe poll to quote for Rs forever) it is what it is. I don’t think impeachment is a good thing, but it’s looking more likely though the numbers of Rs supporting would need to be far higher to get conviction in senate. In my state we have the most vulnerable R senator up for election, and he’s a good senator, this does nothing for him.

    1. Actually, Gallup was just about the least accurate poll for the 2012 election cycle. They’ve lost their edge. The one utility they have is that they’ve been at it for 80 years or more, so have historical data.

      The problem with polls is that the sampling frames are wretched. That’s made all polls unreliable.

  15. I don’t believe this crap. The Left is always trying to manufacture a narrative that “everybody thinks like them except for deplorable troglodytes clinging to God and their guns.”

    Which is one reason why they have been in a state of hysterical derangement since 2016.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

    1. It’s providing cover for NeverTrumpers. Polls are instruments of political power now, not informational. Once you understand that, you understand polls.

      1. That is one reason. Remember the whole “17 Intelligence Agencies said Russia hacked the DNC servers and the election!”

        But they didn’t. But 17 sounds so much bigger than just “Hey, one or two Democrats said the Russians hacked it all.”

        The MSM just plain lied.

        Squeeky Fromm
        Girl Reporter

        1. I always found it questionable that the DNC refused to release their server to the FBI for examination…yet that headline read the intelligence communities agreed Russia hacked the servers. That was all based on what the DNC told them.

          I don’t even consider it “hacking” if your password is “password.”

  16. What’s wrong with the other 48%?

    There is no question that he used his office to try to get a foreign government to help him get re-elected – he admits it – or that he’s an incompetent and dishonest self serving train wreck.

  17. Perspective would be nice

    Americans’ Trust in Mass Media Edges Down to 41%

    Americans remain largely mistrustful of the mass media as 41% currently have “a great deal” or “fair amount” of trust in newspapers, television and radio to report the news “fully, accurately and fairly.” This latest reading represents a four-percentage-point dip since last year and marks the end of improvements in back-to-back years after hitting an all-time low.

      1. Hillary and Bill did it to all of those Friends of Bill, so there is that to consider

      2. that’s why the far left uses reframing as one of their major tools in the daily programming of the long long list of machine parts that make up The Collective. There is no human presence. Ad Machina.

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