Nadler: Hunter Biden Must Not Be Called

hunter-bidenI have been writing on the obvious relevance of Hunter Biden  as a defense witness and the equally obvious hypocrisy of some Democrats in demanding their own witnesses while refusing to consider key White House witnesses.  Now. House Judiciary Chairman Rep. Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., has suggested that, if a trade is needed to secure House witnesses, the managers will not agree to any witnesses if Hunter Biden is part of the deal.   If true, is the House prepared to give up on proving its case to protect the Bidens from the ignoble moment of answering questions about the Ukraine contract?  That is a considerable price to pay to protect Joe Biden.  It is also another reason why the decision to rush the impeachment vote was such a historic blunder by Speaker Nancy Pelosi. If they had waited a couple months as I called for in my testimony, they could have called these witnesses and not handed over control to the Senate. Instead, they impeached by Christmas and then waited a month.

Nadler insisted on Face the Nation that all “relevant witnesses must be heard” — meaning their witnesses.  Yet, if allowing witnesses meant Hunter Biden being called, he suggested that they would reject any deal — and any witnesses.   He dismissed any negotiation as a cover up:  “Any Republican senator who says there should be no witnesses, or even that witnesses should be negotiated, is part of the cover-up.”

As I previously noted, under Federal Rule of Evidence 401, courts will often review possible testimony under the standard of whether “it has a tendency to make a fact more or less probable than it would be without the evidence.”  Even before the adoption of the Bill of Rights, Congress enacted a statute reaffirming the right of the “defense to make any proof that he can produce by lawful witnesses” in cases of treason and capitol cases.  This right to present a defense has been repeatedly reaffirmed by the Supreme Court including in the 1967 opinion in Washington v. Texas, where the Court ruled that “the right to offer the testimony of witnesses and to compel their attendance, if necessary, is in plain terms the right to present the defense, the right to present the defendant’s version of the facts  . . . Just as an accused has the right to confront the prosecution’s witnesses for the purpose of challenging their testimony, he has the right to present his own witnesses to establish a defense.”

Of course, if Biden is called, the House managers would be allowed to cross examine as well as argue their claim of a cover up.

Nadler suggested that Chief Justice John Roberts should make the decision on relevance.  He may want to be careful on such an option.  Roberts might  rule that Biden is a relevant defense witness or, alternatively, he could reaffirm that this is a matter properly left to the Senate on who should be called.

456 thoughts on “Nadler: Hunter Biden Must Not Be Called”

    1. Did you ever hear of separation of powers?
      Do you wish Presidents not to speak to their advisors?
      Did it ever occur to you that foreign policy involves quid pro quo?
      Do we judge based on things discussed or things actually done?
      What is it you think John Bolton will say that would make the President guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors.

    1. Facebook is covered with the phrase “Anyone refuses to allow a witness is guilty.” That should apply evenly to Nadler not wanting to allow a Biden. Run that up the flagpole.

  1. Hunter Biden is obviously the number 1 witness to be called and everyone else pales in significance. He was directly motioned in the phon call the Democrats have based the entire case to remove the President on and Joe Biden is the number 2 witness. Why would they want to hear anyone else. It raises another important point. If Joe Biden is summoned as a witness, will his questioning be televised or broadcast in some manner? Will he be able to coherently answer relevant questions. There is concern that he is experiencing the early, or perhaps more advanced stages of dementia. He has made some outlandish responses to questions at campaign events. Would he or his on Hunter, take the fifth?

    1. Joe will plead mental incapacity for good reason and Hunter will plead gross greediness for good reason but neither will be allowed for good reason and because the R’s are a bunch of gutless eunuchs nothing will happen to either one of them.

      1. If Joe Biden can’t testify because of mental incapacity, his days in politics and as a presidential candidate are immediately over. I don’t see the deep state Dems sacrificing him just yet. Dems will try to wait out the Repubs because of their historical ability to cave to pressure. However, it won’t work. Times are very different now because of Trump’s myriad successes and his very long coat tails which has had the tendency to reward supporters and crushes dissent at the ballot box. They’ll do what is necessary to back the President.

  2. The Democrats absolute refusal to investigate the massive theft of OUR money, particularly by their fellow politicians, makes them accessories and accomplices.

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    Marlon Brandy says:
    January 20, 2020 at 5:56 PM

    Well, I’d like to hear from Hunter and Joe Biden along with the prosecutor he had fired. A lot of questions on that. So, sign me up for witnesses. Oh, also the mysterious whistle-blower and the guy who amended the rules to let him blow his whistle. I’m with Trump on that one.
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK2coiDHLZ4&t=%22
    youtube.com/watch?v=wRFtijtoV6I

    Watch the three videos and get a lot of answers. For example,Why now?
    Is it possible the country was on lock down?
    Our embassy was blocking access to the USA and FBI.

  4. Nadless needs to get the picture that he has NO power in the Senate. None. Turtle controls the whole thing and will allow whatever witness list HE likes.

    1. I assume by ‘Turtle’ you mean Mitch McConnell. Jerry Nadler’s sole involvement, (besides being part of the funeral procession to the Senate) believe is as one of the impeachment manager and as such prosecutes the case, but does not render a verdict or vote. (He attempts to try to make the luke-warmest case for this sham impeachment. As a manager. he tries to convince the Senators and American people what an airtight (?) case the Dems have. Turtle controls more than Nadler in the Senate. Nadler had his chance to determine the truth. He didn’t try in the House Kangaroo Court so he’s demanding in the Senate

      I think it would be a far greater use to subpoena, not Hunter Biden, but Joe Biden. All you can get from Hunter (which strikes me as totally legit, though not palatable, is, “so my last name is Biden and I don’t doubt that my last name helped me get a job and a lot of other things in life. He doesn’t strike me as the sharpest tool in the shed!

      There are tons of things to be gotten from Joe Biden and once you have Joe Biden, I wouldn’t doubt that Wm Barr or Durham could get his BFF, Barack Obama, There are already questions.

  5. What most fail to understand is that this trial is conducted by what ever rules the majority of the Senate say they are. This is not a criminal nor civil trial. It is a political one.

      1. I sure hope that the R senators clearly remember how Schiff treated them during the impeachment hearing and now treat them the same way with totally no respect!

    1. What a load of horseshit! No relevance at all. U have to be crazy on a damn head full of acid to even suggest such a thing, and to suggest it as an attorney? Holy Christ I can not believe where this country is going and there will be plenty of idiots to buy your nonsense Turley! That is what’s so frightening about all this.

  6. What most fail to understand, this trial is by whatever rules the majority of the Senate say they are. This is not a civil or criminal court proceeding .

  7. SO MANY NEW NAMES TODAY

    For some reason this comment thread is packed with names never seen before. Most of these names have a deliberately sarcastic ring.

    One suspects that certain forces have reached a breaking point where they can no longer tolerate the input of liberals. For that reason these forces have indicated a willingness to shut this forum down if liberals don’t withdraw at once.

    This development is a good barometer of where we are as a nation with an absolutely polarizing president.

    1. “good barometer of…”

      Pssst. 60,000 Deplorables gathered in Richmond today to sing kum bah yah, roast marshmallows and braid each others hair. Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Whites, quite a few Dykes ( no judgement! 👷🏼‍♀️), Handicapped and Women with really big tatas (👅) all together. Mespo even did a dance for us!

      Your Blackfaced Quack Northam hid behind his fortified Walls hoping no one would see him under the white hood he placed over his tin foiled head, the same one he wore in medical school

      Get your Passport ready to flee to Iran. Dont go near the Iranian University students though because they will know youre a scared, entitled little b!tch who cant even cock a Glock 17. Reliable sources report you can ride a 10” 🐔 along with a Mack Truck up your booty

      🥳

      1. Seth’s sexuality has nothing to do with the matter at hand. I don’t know why people mock him for being gay, but it detracts from their argument. It’s not nice nor does it contribute to a discussion of where you disagree.

        Come on, guys. I wish you guys wouldn’t go there. It’s a free country, and you can do what you want. But I wish you wouldn’t.

        1. Karen, Seth isnt gay, it’s a lie. And you seem perfectly happy to spread the lie.

          They ain’t called deplorables for nothing!

            1. Seth there is no reason to reply to your very own posts under an “Anonymous” profile name. its really creepy

              1. Thorsen, Peter is very insecure. When sufficiently challenged and embarrassed he changes his alias.There is no way he can defend any of the principles he stands behind and sometimes I wonder if he has any principles other than following his leftist leaders.

          1. If I recall correctly, in an earlier comment chain, you confirmed your original posting name, and said you felt the need to change your avatar on the blog. That original poster shared that he was gay.

            I don’t care if you’re gay or not. If you say you are straight, and you are not that person, that’s fine, too. Mocking anyone for being gay isn’t nice.

            Calling someone who came to your defense “deplorable” is also not nice.

            You guys need to move along to some more interesting conversation and stop the back and forth name calling. I can’t stop you if you want to keep going, but throwing mud is so pointless.

            1. “If I recall correctly, in an earlier comment chain, you confirmed your original posting name, and said you felt the need to change your avatar on the blog. That original poster shared that he was gay.”

              He who asserts…must prove.

              1. OK. If you claim that I am not recalling correctly, then prove it. You are free to spend the next 18 hours combing through all the comments on the blog for the past 90 days.

                Have fun.

                As I said earlier, if he says he’s not gay, that’s fine, too. Why would I care?

                Boy, Leftists really aren’t happy people at all. What kind of person attacks someone who said mocking someone’s sexuality is wrong? A Leftist of course! Only they could twist that around into a bad thing.

                1. I’m not going to invest any effort on your behalf, Karen S. You’re the one who made the statement and then followed it up with IIRC…

                  Don’t jump to conclusions, if you can’t back them up.

                  This doesn’t have anything to do with “leftists” — and by the way, I know plenty of “leftists” who are happy people… This isn’t about left or right. This is about jumping to unfounded conclusions.

                  1. Let me get this straight. Someone mocked a poster for being gay, and I said that was not nice. Then that poster and either yet another sock puppet, or someone else, jumped down the throat of the person who said to stop it. You have invested more effort into complaining that someone came to your defense than you did against the person who insulted you.

                    By this behavior, you send the message that you welcome such talk, and vehemently dislike anyone asking for it to stop. Carry on then. I will save this chain for the next time you complain when anyone makes remarks about your sexuality.

                2. Karen, the posters calling other posters here gay are your fellow right wing Trump lovers, not unnamed random posters from all sides. Then, expecting a medal I suppose for your lukewarm scolding, you start complaining about leftists again, your default wind up toy answer on every post you do. Wake up. If you think attacking other people’s sex lives without even knowing what it is is bad, face the perpetrators. They’re your people, not Seth’s or mine.

                    1. Talk to your people Karen. They’re the infantile haters here, not the leftists. You understand that simple and obvious fact, right?

            2. No, Karen, you’re NOT recalling correctly. Nowhere has The Shill ever identified as gay. It was a smear pinned to him by disgruntled Trumpers.

              1. Seth has confirmed he is gay by bragging about his meanderings in West Hollywood, California, aka Gayville

                Who cares if Seth / Enoch / John / Peter / TDS Extraordinaire is gay?!?!? Who gives a sh!t!? We are living in an age where women get to vote, wear pants, be executives, men get to be stay at home fathers, and lets talk about divorce, cohabitatng and recognizing Christianity for what it really is: phooey

                Seth, be as gay as you want to be. And if you choose to be straight, then that’s fine too. If Mespo wants to parade in military gear at a height of 5 feet 3 inches and weigh 200 pounds, it’s not like he is going to pummel you with his fists. He would be lucky to be able to run up a flight of stairs and not pass out.

                Leave the gays alone but lets remember: gays make fun of gays routinely just like blacks call each other n**gers routinely as well.

                lets be real

              2. I am not sure if Peter Shill is gay or bi-sexual, or just somewhat effeminate. However, I did find this film with him in it before he moved to West Hollywood and learned to speak English. The part where the dudes “lose their beards” is Freudian as all get out. Use this info as you will:

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUFRWVNfU8Q

                Personally, I think Peter Shill changed his name because I started calling him Peter Shill instead of Peter Hill, and it was hitting way too close to home for him.

                Squeeky Fromm
                Deplorable Girl Reporter

            3. “Calling someone who came to your defense “deplorable” is also not nice. ”

              And when they called you a prostitute that was also a terrible slur. And no one should be making fun of your STD’s. When they do, it is sinking really low.
              Nobody should care about these things. Live and let live.

    2. yeah…just like the Democrats could not “tolerate the input of Republicans” or allow Trump to give a defense in the house? You’re right, ignorant comments like yours is a good barometer of where we are as a nation with absolutely polarizing Democrat and RHINO politicians and commenters such as yourself.

    3. Have you not heard? The polarizing, racist, decisive scumbag Bathouse Barry is no longer President. We now have a real President, who loves America and is actually a real American, his name is Donald J Trump,so cheer up all is well.

  8. The reason President Trump was impeached is that Joe Biden allowed a video to be taken of him bragging how he used a $billion to7 blackmail an Ukrainian president to protect his son who was on the board of Bruisma. Then, using the lefts most powerful defensive weapon they projected Biden’s crimes on Trump. They do this every single time the Left is caught in criminal activity. Hillary Clinton is a Jedi Master at this. I hope soon their projections can be used in a court of law as proof of guilt.

    1. Snellvillebob – it absolutely boggles my mind how Democrats are guilty of every wrongdoing they accuse Republicans of doing. I cannot understand why Demcorats totally suspend judgement in this manner.

      1. It is called Psychological Projection. Always blame your enemies of what you yourself are guilty of. People need to wake up to this.
        Hillary sold our uranium to Russia = Trump is a Russian spy. Joe Biden is caught on video bragging how he used $! billion in foreign aid to blackmail the Ukrainian President = Trump blackmailed the Ukrainian President.
        This tactic as it is the most efficient weapon the Left has and they will use it every time.
        Hillary Clinton is a Jedi Master at it.

  9. How do you expect the Trump legal team to establish the FOUNDATION for calling a witnesses with absolutely no knowledge of Trump’s alleged wrongdoing?

    “Well, Mr. Chief Justice, we don’t have actual knowledge of any crimes Hunter Biden might have committed. That’s why we need this fishing expedition!”

    That’s not sufficient in any federal courtroom I’ve ever heard of. Are you sure that you are qualified to offer your opinion on this case?

    1. Seems pretty plain to me that Hunter is laundering heavy money for Daddy Joe and his pals, also the sons of high level Democrats. How ’bout that $156 mil “investment” from China?
      The only thing I want to see out of this farce is Marine MPs perp walking all crooked Democrats on live TV.
      Any other country on earth would call these Lefties “coup plotters” and imprison them.

      1. Seems pretty plain to me that Hunter is laundering heavy money for Daddy Joe and his pals, also the sons of high level Democrats. How ’bout that $156 mil “investment” from China?
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        Hunter Biden is a partner in a wealth management firm (Rosemont) so one would expect that he is working to get investment money flowing in.

        If you believe in Adam Smith’s invisible hand you are a moron. This is how capitalism works. There is no other type of capitalism – its all crony capitalism. Nobody knows this better than Donald trump.

        1. Tell us again how much does George Soros pay you to troll this blog with soooooooooooo many fake profile names?

          Peter is running out of names of alpha male Revolutionary War soldiers, bless her little heart, and you know how b!tchy she sees you having more names than her.

          Here are a few names to throw at her

          🙈

          Brigadier generals
          John Armstrong, Sr.
          George Clinton
          Elias Dayton
          Joseph Frye
          Christopher Gadsden
          John Glover
          Mordecai Gist
          John Greaton. Continental brigadier general from 07 January, 1783 to 03 November, 1783.[3]
          John Philip De Haas. Continental brigadier general from 21 February, 1777 to 03 November, 1783.[4]
          Moses Hazen
          James Hogun (POW) (North Carolina Line 1st Brigade)
          Isaac Huger
          Jedediah Huntington
          William Irvine
          Jean Baptiste Joseph, chevalier de Laumoy
          Tadeusz Kościuszko
          Ebenezer Learned
          Andrew Lewis
          Lachlan McIntosh
          George Mathews
          William Maxwell
          Hugh Mercer †
          James Moore (North Carolina Line 1st Brigade)
          Daniel Morgan (POW)
          William Moultrie
          Francis Nash † (North Carolina Line NC Brigade)
          John Nixon
          Enoch Poor
          Philippe Hubert Preudhomme de Borre
          Kazimierz Pułaski (Casimir Pulaski) †
          Rufus Putnam
          James Reed
          Matthias Alexis Roche de Fermoy
          William Thompson
          Charles Armand Tuffin, marquis de la Rouërie
          Charles Scott (POW) (brevet to Major General 1791)
          John Stark (not promoted to major general until 1786)
          Jethro Sumner (North Carolina Line 2nd Brigade)
          James Mitchell Varnum
          George Weedon
          James Wilkinson (brevet to brigadier in 1777, promoted to major general in 1812)
          Otho Holland Williams
          Frederick William, Baron de Woedtke
          William Woodford (died as POW)
          David Wooster

    2. During the House testimonies, upon cross examination every single “witness” testified under oath that they had no first hand knowledge of Trump committing any crime. None. Not one. Your argument is even weaker than the Democrat’s case, which is worthless.

    3. Unlike virtually everything the Dems have done, calling Hunter would not be a fishing expedition. As president, Trump is legally allowed to ask other countries to investigate whether an American citizen is involved in corruption in their country. Hunter being paid millions by a gas company when he has absolutely no experience in this field, when his dad is the point man for Obama in the Ukraine certainly stinks to high heaven, so calling him to confirm whether there was any corruption would establish Trump’s legal justification for asking Ukraine to investigate. That makes Hunter a much more relevant witness than all the second and third hand witnesses called by the Dems in the House, none of whom had any first hand knowledge of malfeasance by Trump.

    4. Hunter is a relevant witness because the impeachers raise the issue of whether Trump’s motive in the request for a favor was to merely damage or slander Joe Biden for political reasons. If Hunter’s testimony shows he did no wrong, it supports the impeachers’ accusation. If Hunter did wrong in accepting a sinecure, it aids Trump.s defense, which is in part that as chief law enforcement officer in the country he had the duty to investigate foreign efforts to influence US policy through bribing US citizens, politicians or otherwise..
      Seldom discussed is the motive of Burisma to pay a bribe. Yet, Burisma has many hard assets in Ukraine like oil and gas pipelines. other delivery assets tanks, tankers etc., all of which would be at risk of serious damage were the US to change the Obama policy of sending only socks and blankets to Ukraine.instead of Javelin anti-tank weaponry. Historically, Russia sets the price Ukrainians must pay to keep themselves warm during winter and so would not want to have that control loosened by damage to Burisma assets. Thus, the motive for the Hunter bribe, if that is what it was, was not to change US foreign policy in Ukraine, but to keep it the same. Hunter started to take the money in April 2014 and did not quit until April 2019. During most of this time US policy did not change.

      1. it would be a safer world if the US stepped back from meddling in Ukraine instead of doubling down

        Trump under pressure from the war complex, added military aid. this was a needless and unsafe escalation

        Ukraine has been in Russia’s state or orbit for a thousand years. we should just let that be.

        the thing Trump should do, is not only step back from meddling in Ukraine but also decommission the land based ICBMs in America aimed at Russia. the subs and bombers are enough deterrant, the ,land ones are anachronistic and overill risk

        1. Trump under pressure from the war complex, added military aid. this was a needless and unsafe escalation

          Ukraine has been in Russia’s state or orbit for a thousand years. we should just let that be.
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          That would be the sane thing to do.
          The US does not do sane anymore.

    5. Hunter is relevant because he is material to proving a reasonable person would consider investigating the Bidens justified.

      What hypocrites. Democrats spent years investigating and spying on Trump for false accusations based on a fake Democrat dossier, compiled from Russian intelligence. But they have pulled out all the stops to prevent the investigation of the Bidens.

      1. Karen, if there were credible allegations against Hunter or Joe, and so far there are not, that does not make it the Presidents job to personally lean on a foreign leader to announce publicly an investigation of his most important political adversary. We have the DOJ and it’s FBI who we want handling these things. The reasons for this should be obvious to you. This is not Venezuela.

        1. bythebook:

          1. Ukraine didn’t know anything about any quid pro quo. It requires two parties for there to be a quid pro quo. Therefore, no one strong armed anyone.
          2. The transcript showed no quid pro quo.
          3. The ambassador confirmed there was no linkage of aid to any investigation.
          4. No credible allegation? Facts: Hunter Biden had no relevant job skills in oil and gas, and had recently been discharged one month after receiving his commission in the Navy for cocaine use. He then earned $83,000 a month in an oil and gas company operating in Ukraine and under investigation. His only qualifications are that his father said on camera that he, not Obama, set Ukrainian policy. Joe Biden went on to brag on camera about a quid pro quo in which he threatened to withhold $1 billion in aid unless that prosecutor was filed. Then Burisma executives met with the Ukrainian government and apologized for false statements American officials made about the prosecutor. Obviously, that is a credible allegation of illegal activity. For you to continually deny that this at least warrants an investigation shows extreme political bias, in which the law does not apply to your political side. That’s not law and order. It’s Teflon for Democrats.
          5. Trump is not personally running any investigation, cutting out investigators. He merely asked for their cooperation into the 2016 election investigation. Later he mentioned the Bidens.

          The reasons for this investigation should be obvious to you.

          Democrats have abused investigations in order to spy on and harass Trump and so many connected with him. Now there is a legitimate reason to investigate the Bidens, and what do Democrats do? Do they say, well, it’s only fair to investigate a credible claim of wrongdoing. Why no, of course not. They impeach Trump and abuse their authority to obstruct such an investigation.

          And then an army of true believers have the gall to claim that there’s no credible allegation to investigate. Are you typing that with a straight face after the last 3 years of interminable investigations against Trump. Seriously?

          The law either applies to everyone equally, including Democrats, or there is a government ruling class in the decaying United States. Democrats are turning this country into Venezuela, complete with Socialist members of Congress and candidates for President, as well as abusing power to obstruct an investigation.

          1. Karen S, the Ukrainian government certainly acted as if ‘strong armed’. They were preparing to announce an investigation of Hunter Biden when the funding finally came through, so there was no longer any need to so announce.

            1. they’ve been taking hints and orders from Washington since we backed the illegal Maidan coup.

              you guys are proud of that, but i still think it was dumb.

              trump shouldnt have sent them a nickel and not the military aid either. it’s contiguous to Russia and the whole mess has destabilized a nation which could precipitate a nuclear war and end of civilization in one hour’s time

              you guys are flat out nuts

              here, listen to your saint Daniel Ellsberg. the threat of nuclear war persists!

          2. Karen, I suggest you read more. The Ukrainian government did know they were supposed to make public announcement of an investigation and Zelensky scheduled time on Fareed Zacharias show, but was able to cancel at the last moment Shenzhen scheme became public knowledge. Google it.

            The transcript is fully consistent with QPQ detailed later without 25 people listening in.

            Neither Sondland, Volker, Taylor, or Voianovich stated what you alleged, and in fact all except the latter who had been eliminated before the shakedown asserted an investigation was required before the aid would be released , or a WH visit allowed.

            People with famous names are hired for “window dressing” all the time, domestically and internationally. It is not illegal. There is no serious allegation which includes details showing illegality by Hunter or VP Biden. In fact, numerous witnesses of both parties have stated that Biden was enforcing US, EU, and IMF policy and that Shokin was a corrupt do nothing prosecutor. Numerous investigative reporting articles have verified the same.

            Quit reading John Solomon.Parnas puts him, To ending, and DiGenova at meetings in the DC Trump hotel planning the UkrainiAn scheme.

            1. The transcript did not show any quid pro quo and the one fact witness of the House stated there was NO quid pro quo.

        2. by the book, No crediible allegations against Biden? Not Hunter, but you haven’t seen the videos of Joe-in the flesh on You tube-bragging about having the prosecutor who was investigating Hunter, fired. He wouldn’t get his foreign aid of $1.5 Billion unless the prosector was fired? The prosecutor was fired in 6 hours. Joe is in deep. Waay deep.

          1. you haven’t seen the videos of Joe-in the flesh on You tube-bragging about having the prosecutor who was investigating Hunter, fired. He wouldn’t get his foreign aid of $1.5 Billion unless the prosector was fired? The prosecutor was fired in 6 hours
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            Here are the factual problems with your story

            No Ukraine Prosecutor was investigating Hunter Biden
            No Ukraine Prosecutor was fired in 6 hours.
            No $1.5 billion in foreign aid was ever withheld.

                  1. think what you want. Doesn’t the video say anything?
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                    The video should tell you that Biden lies and takes credit for events that he had nothing to do with.

                  1. Shokin resigned in 2016, not 2015.
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                    Yup, that was a mistype
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                    And one of Biden’s trips to Ukraine was in 2015.
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                    Yes, that was not exactly 6 hours before Shokin was fired as Biden claims. And I have seen no evidence that any aid was delayed or released or conditioned on the dismissal of Shokin.

                    1. Allan – QuidProQuoJoe struck again. I have been watching the hearings and I think it is Schumer’s plan to wear everyone down.

                    2. Watch the video below on a Billion dollar loan guarantee that Joe Biden used in his quid pro quo.
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                      Thanks for admitting you have no factual evidence.

                      All you have is a story told by Joe Biden.
                      None of the statements in that story are true

                      Biden did not go to Ukraine 12 or 13 times. He went there 6 times and 2 of them were after the prosecutor resigned

                      There was no prosecutor fired in 6 hours. The prosecutor’s resignation was accepted Mar 29, 2016. Up to that point Biden had not been in Ukraine at all that year.

                      There was no $1 billion in aid that was released as a consequence of the prosecutor being fired.

                      None of the statements in the story can be matched to events that actually happened.

                      It is true that the prosecutor Shokin was corrupt, but so was the prosecutor that followed so even Biden’s claim that he was replaced by someone who was “solid” is false.

                    3. The tape is surely evidence that would be used if Biden were ever prosecuted and so would the financial records obtained by the FBI. What Anon tries to do is add statements made that do not have anything to do with what I said so he can argue against potentially errant statements rather than argue against the evidence.

                      Anon is pettifogging so he can hide the potentially criminal activities of the Bidens.

                    4. The tape is surely evidence that would be used if Biden were ever prosecuted
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                      The tape is evidence that Biden told a story, but facts do not support his story

                      You apparently have a real hard time with telling the difference between facts and stories.

                    5. Anon, with little question guilt exists for Joe Biden. The only question is whether or not it is prosecutable. Hunter would not have gotten the job being paid all that money but for the fact that Joe was Vice President. History gave the impression that Joe was corrupt. They had seen what happened in China and what happened with a few more deals. The video documents what Joe said at the time and conflicting recorded statements tell a bit more. The hard copies of the financial statements forced the Biden’s into a corner. The firing of Shokin adds more evidence.

                      Does that constitute guilt? I don’t think so but it certainly constitutes an investigation. All these actions involved personal gain that didn’t seem to be in the interest of the US.

                    6. The tape is evidence that Biden told a story, but facts do not support his story

                      I gather, Gainesville, that your contacts at Media Matters told you to just lie brazenly. Gets to be a bore after a while.

                    7. I gather, Gainesville, that your contacts at Media Matters
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                      FYI, Media Matters thinks Joe Biden is speaking the truth just as you do.
                      Since you agree with Media Matters and I don’t, that suggests you are the one that is the Media Matters shill.

          2. Anne, it was US policy as well as our allies the EU and the IMF policy that the prosecutor was a corrupt actor in Ukraine and should be terminated. A prominent US SD official stated that in a public speech before his removal. As attested to by SD personnel in the recent House hearings – including a Trump appointee GOP envoy – VP Biden was acting to implement SD policy. A sitting GOP congressman who was an FBI advisor to the Ukraine in this period has stated that the prosecutor was a crook. Investigative reporting on all this was done by the WSJ, the WaPo, Bloomberg News, and the NYTs all verified these accounts. I suggest you Google them and read up on it.

            1. Anon’s statements are indicative of his statements about the Steele Dossier, the Russia Hoax and everything else. So far Anon is batting zero no matter which one of his aliases one looks at.

            2. it was US policy as well as our allies the EU and the IMF policy that the prosecutor was a corrupt actor in Ukraine and should be terminated.
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              The prosecutor that followed Shokin appears to be even more corrupt but nobody seems to care about that.

              And these crooked prosecutors were the ones that we are asked to believe would be the ones investigating the Bidens. As if anyone would believe anything they said.

      2. Heck, a chance to subpoena a Biden; don’t waste it on Hunter. Call Joe. The most Hunter can provide, I imagine is, “I doubt that there is anything I’ve gotten in life that hasn’t been because my last name is Biden” I don’t feel like Hunter is playing with a full deck. If there is a Biden subpoena to be had, get Joe Biden. He can give more names and may be able to provide that link to BO. We may not provide the link, but Durham who is investigating the FISA abuse might find it interesting.

  10. Hunter Biden must testify he is a material witness. We must find out how he was selected to be a board member of a company that was being investigated by the Ukrainian government whos hiring seemed to stop the investigation .

    1. So you are saying Hunter Biden might be material in some other case, like if he was being charged?

      Because as far as any of us know, Hunter Biden has no knowledge regarding the TRUMP’S ACTIONS which are the subject of this case.

      Trial courts hear from witnesses relevant in the specific case before the court, not ‘might be relevant in some case, somewhere’.

      1. you do remember this shite show started with asking to look into corruption by U.S. gov. officials and their family members right? Bill Clinton signed the bill/agreement for total vetting of corruption. NO MATTER WHO.

    2. Because that does nothing to understand whether Donald Trump pressured a foreign country to start a bogus investigation into his political rival.

      Why not call the Queen of England while you are at it?

      1. Are you stoned or stupid? Hunter’s crimes are key to this whole mess. Once this thread is pulled the whole bunch of ranking Democrats from the Obama Administration will go down. Is that why you are so afraid to see Hunter under oath?

    3. We must find out how he was selected to be a board member of a company
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      Biden has given interviews where he said the company wanted some big names on the board of directors and his background in international law were the reasons he was hired.

      Hunter will not testify because there are probably hundreds of relatives of US Senators that have been given jobs because they are related to a US Senator.

      1. “Hunter will not testify because there are probably hundreds of relatives of US Senators that have been given jobs because they are related to a US Senator.”

        Can you tell us of any other high ranking politician family members provided $50,000 to $83,000 per month from a country that needs US government financial assistance? Can you tell us what other family members have landed a Billion dollar plus financing deal in China?

        No, you can’t and you won’t. You will forget about the numbers like you forget about everything else including the slew of names you use on this blog.

        1. Can you tell us of any other high ranking politician family members provided $50,000 to $83,000 per month
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          Where does $50,000 to $83,000 per month come from.

          In general we don’t know how much relatives of Senators are making and the Senators are going to keep it that way.

          1. “Where does $50,000 to $83,000 per month come from.”

            This represents what you know about current events. Nothing

            I believe Hunter Biden admitted to the $50,000. Having to do with another case where the FBI raided Archer and found bank records of $166,000 and even 1 month of $200,000. Those much higher numbers apparently peaked the interest of the Ukrainian prosecutor right before he was fired. You ignore this part of the story. You ignore a disinformation campaign against that prosecutor.

            Guilt or innocence is decided when one investigates. Time to investigate Hunter. There is too much evidence that things were not on the up and up.

            1. This represents what you know about current events. Nothing
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              I know what the stories are. I would like to see some evidence. The interview I saw Biden said he didn’t have to tell people how much he made while working for Burisma.

              1. “I know what the stories are.”

                Anon that is exactly what you know, stories. What you don’t know and don’t want to learn are the facts. Everything I say can easily be checked on the net by any intelligent person. I don’t know what your excuse is.

                1. “I know what the stories are.”

                  Anon that is exactly what you know, stories. What you don’t know and don’t want to learn are the facts.
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                  I asked you for the source of the facts and
                  you start babbling about anons and stories.

                  What is the source of the claim that Biden made $50000/month ?

                  yes I can find hundreds of internet websites that repeat the story but none of them say where that number came from.

                  1. Anon, I’m not going to search the net, but my understanding is that is the number Hunter admitted to. The other number came from the financial statements involuntarily taken from Archer.

                    I’ve dealt with you before and you continuously forget the proofs and repeat stories that seldom turn out to be true. I’ve watched you abuse Karen in that way and others.

                    You are not an honest broker so I won’t waste time proving things to you. I learned that when you were Jan F. We had an argument about what was said. I spent time and copied the exact words. Shortly afterwards you became Anon and since then morphed all over the place including using the name anonymous.

                  2. I’m not going to search the net
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                    I have searched the net and cannot find a source. That means its just a story.
                    All the stories that claim to have a source (like Wikipedia) just refer to some news article that gives no source. When you see that sort of circle jerk of story telling its a pretty good indication the facts are bogus.

                    1. “That means its just a story.”

                      No. It means you don’t tell the truth and you didn’t try to find the information. Too bad. Wikipedia is the last place to look as its articles involving politics are partisan. Of course you may not be capable of research that is above the sixth grade level.

                    2. “Of course you may not be capable of research that is above the sixth grade level.”

                      Allan just can’t help himself. Grade-school stuff, indeed — in Allan’s comments.

                    3. Allan says:
                      January 22, 2020 at 4:04 PM

                      “That means its just a story.”

                      No. It means you don’t tell the truth
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                      It is a story that might be true or might be false. Just because you can find a lot of websites telling the same story that Hunter Biden was making 50K/month doesn’t make it true.

                      It is sad thing that so many people are willing to repeat stories that have no known source. Nobody seems to care that the facts haven’t been verified
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                      Wikipedia is the last place to look as its articles involving politics are partisan.
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                      Wikipedia is repeating the same story that you are and yet you question their veracity.

            2. Really Allan, I could care less about Hunter Biden and whatever deal he was getting. We should be after how Joe engineered it for him. I cannot believe how DEMS can keep on and on about this when it is so dirty on the face of it. Hunter’s dad being Obama’s point man on Ukraine and having the ability to withhold aid or loan guarantees? Give me a break!!! Hunter was just doing what Hunter does. Joe is the corrupt politician and he should testify if anyone does. Go for the big fish here.

              1. it is so dirty on the face of it. Hunter’s dad being Obama’s point man on Ukraine and having the ability to withhold aid or loan guarantees?
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                Yes it indeed appears dirty on the face of it.
                And that is certainly a good enough reason not to vote for Biden, but there really is no evidence for prosecution. There is not even enough evidence to launch an investigation.

              2. Bob, we don’t disagree. Hunter is the path to Joe and Joe could be a path to Obama. Obama could be a path to Hillary et. al.. The corruption we are seeing was not without at least the tacit permission of the man in charge, Obama.

                Investigations generally start with the small fish and climb upward as information is gathered.

        2. Well, for one, Paul Pelosi, Jr, Nancy’s son, also worked for a company doing business in Ukraine (https://va.news-republic.com/a/6743967308613419525?app_id=1239&c=fb&gid=6743967308613419525&impr_id=6743981698609023237&language=en&region=us&user_id=6739460583575569414). And I don’t doubt there are many more, with connections on BOTH sides of the aisle. What the people should be concerned about is stopping that, whether DEM or GOP. Hunter Biden would not add much, and I agree with the earlier post that he’s probably not playing with a full deck. He just got lucky (again). But Joe should testify. If Trump is in trouble for asking people to look into Joe’s dealings, and it turns out Joe is dirty, that would make a difference to me. If we’re going to get into the whole idea of Joe as Trump’s political rival, then all the Dem senators who are running for office must recuse themselves from a vote in the Senate during their ‘political rival’s” impeachment trial. Maybe Trump would have asked for looking into Joe even if he were not running, because corrupt…

          1. Bob, the question was asked of Anon not because our Congress isn’t rampant with this type of graft rather the amount paid to a coke head was so high. If Anon wanted to implicate others then as you say Nancy’s son Paul and Kerry’s son could also be implicated. Kerry’s son decided not to engage in the Ukraine deal. Did he recognize that it wasn’t a good idea to have political influence involved with a corrupt company?

        3. Allan,
          You’ve allowed jinn to trap you into focusing on an irrelevant point. It doesn’t matter what Hunter Biden made at Burisma. It’s Biden’s QPQ. That fact is in evidence and a thorough investigation into that should produce everything we need to know regarding all the relevant players illegally profiting at the American taxpayer’s expense.

          1. You’ve allowed jinn to trap you into focusing on an irrelevant point. It doesn’t matter what Hunter Biden made at Burisma
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            It apparently does matter enough that people are willing to lie about it.
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            It’s Biden’s QPQ
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            That is another thing people lie about a lot.

            There is little concrete evidence that Biden had anything to do with the dismissal of the prosecutor. The only evidence is a video where Biden is clearly lying. None of what Biden describes in the video actually happened.
            It appears that Biden took credit for the Prosecutor’s dismissal after it happened and made up a story about how it happened and now people are desperately trying to shoehorn the facts to fit the story that Biden told.
            But the facts don’t fit.
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            we need to know regarding all the relevant players illegally profiting at the American taxpayer’s expense.
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            The players illegally profiting at the American taxpayer’s expense would be the Ukrainian oligarchs.
            Billions of dollars of aid and loan money that has been given to Ukraine has just disappeared and nobody can figure out where it went.

            1. It apparently does matter enough that people are willing to lie about it.

              That curiosity will be satisfied with a full investigation.

              The only evidence is a video where Biden is clearly lying. None of what Biden describes in the video actually happened…But the facts don’t fit.

              Without a thorough investigation, the video is a fact, Hunter’s position is a fact, the hiring and firing of prosecutors are a fact.

              The players illegally profiting at the American taxpayer’s expense would be the Ukrainian oligarchs.
              Billions of dollars of aid and loan money that has been given to Ukraine has just disappeared and nobody can figure out where it went.

              On one hand you assert only the oligarchs and on the other you assert nobody can figure out where it all went. The players are more than just the oligarchs. U.S. taxpayers didn’t write checks directly to Ukrainian oligarchs. There are a lot of people between our citizens and their oligarchs. Follow the money in a thorough investigation and they will figure out where it all went.

          2. “It doesn’t matter what Hunter Biden made at Burisma.”

            OLLY, that is how one builds a case. They start at the bottom and work their way up. Would anyone be questioning this deal if Biden was paid $50 per month as a lawyer?

            1. Would anyone be questioning this deal if Biden was paid $50 per month as a lawyer?
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              For all you know he was paid $50/month.

              1. I don’t know anything for sure except he should be investigated. A quick search revealed:

                https://www.theblaze.com/news/hunter-biden-and-partners-got-16-5m-in-illegal-money-ukraine-mp-alleges

                Hunter Biden and partners got $16.5M in illegal money, Ukraine MP alleges

                More revelations about the Bidens in Ukraine

                Aaron Colen
                A Ukrainian member of parliament said Wednesday that Hunter Biden and his partners with Burisma received $16.5 million in illegal funds obtained by a Ukrainian crime family and laundered through another country, according to Interfax.

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                Ukrainian MP Andriy Derkach said at a news conference that Biden and his colleagues took millions of dollars that really belonged to the Ukrainian people.

                “The [prosecutor general’s office] document once again confirms the data I had previously published on Burisma and international corruption,” Derkach said. “According to Zlochevsky’s suspicion notice, Biden and partners received their $16.5 million for their services to Burisma. Biden received funds not due to the successful activity of Burisma or for brilliant business decisions or recommendations. This is the money of Ukrainian citizens. The funds were obtained by criminal means. That’s what they say in the PGO.”

                Derkach said the new information came from a suspicion notice to former Ukraine ecology minister and owner of the Burisma Group, Mykola Zlochevsky.

                “According to the investigation, Zlochevsky was directly involved in the withdrawal of funds by the Yanukovych ‘family’,” Derkach said. “They laundered the funds of Yanukovych through three companies in Latvia.”

                The money was then allegedly paid to Hunter Biden, Aleksander Kwasniewski, Alan Apter, and Devon Archer.

                Burisma has been the subject of suspicion and investigation for years for corrupt business dealings. Hunter Biden was named to the board of the company in 2014, and just recently stepped down. His appointment to the board is controversial because it came while his father, then-Vice President Joe Biden, was the Obama administration’s point man for Ukraine issues.

                Joe Biden has boasted about his role in ousting a Ukrainian prosecutor who had been pursuing criminal investigations into Burisma in 2016. Biden used a $1 billion loan guarantee as leverage to pressure the government into firing the prosecutor.

                House Democrats are attempting to impeach President Donald Trump in part for allegedly withholding security aid to Ukraine in order to pressure the government to investigate Burisma and the involvement of the Bidens. House Republicans have attempted to subpoena Hunter Biden to testify, but it is unlikely that the Democrats, who control the process, will allow it.

                1. I don’t know anything for sure except he should be investigated
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                  That might be true, but sitting Hunter in a chair in front of the Senate is not how to conduct such an investigation. Do you want to beat him with a rubber hose of he doesn’t say the things you want to hear?

                  Where do you get the idea that the Senate is going to do a better job of investigating than Trump’s DOJ?

                  The prosecutor that investigated Burisma says Biden violated no Ukrainian law.
                  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/hunter-biden-did-not-violate-anything-former-ukrainian-prosecutor-says-n1059136

                  So there you have it
                  Ukraine has investigated the Bidens and found nothing.
                  But that is the whole problem with Ukraine investigating anything – nobody will believe its honest.

                  1. “but sitting Hunter in a chair in front of the Senate is not how to conduct such an investigation.”

                    Anon, the Democratic impeachment is pure junk and political. Their claim is that Trump asked for an investigation of the Bidens. There is plenty of evidence that should make one suspicious of the Biden’s activities. Since Biden was the centerpiece of the Democrat’s claim they should have permitted Joe and Hunter to be interrogated in the House. They didn’t. Now that it goes to the Senate this bogus impeachment that circles around the Bidens should have been thrown out immediately. It wasn’t so if there are to be any witnesses the Bidens should be number one and number two. Joe Biden was the political candidate that the Democrats say moved this impeachment. We have to know if suspicions were warranted even though the president didn’t commit an impeachable offense

                    Of course the impeachment is purely political and a disgrace but since the Democrats want to have witnesses they have to live with all witnesses not just the ones they choose. This is no longer a fascist type hearing that was held in the House by House Democrats.

                    “The prosecutor that investigated Burisma says Biden violated no Ukrainian law”

                    This is the way you weave your stories Corruption in Ukraine exists everywhere. You are intellectually dishonest since you know about Shokin and others that say the opposite. Additionally you don’t have the slightest idea of what that single prosecutor looked at and you don’t how his statemement was abridged. Therefore you don’t even know his truth. It is this type of posting that makes you untrustworty and recognizeably intellectually dishonst.

                    1. Democratic impeachment is pure junk and political.
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                      The story that you keep repeating about Biden and the prosecutor is also junk and political. It is easy to do a little investigating and discover the events in your story are fiction.

                    2. jinn – we have Biden on tape saying the prosecutor was fired within 6 hours. If that is not true, then Joe Biden is lying again. What is the true story?

                    3. Paul, Joe Biden is a story teller but he is also a crook. We don’t even have to prove either of them for in order to prove he is not a liar he has to admit he is a crook and in order to prove he is not a crook he proves he is a liar.

                      We can avoid the terms crook and liar substituting Democrat which represents their leadership.

                    4. “The story that you keep repeating about Biden and the prosecutor is also junk and political. It is easy to do a little investigating and discover the events in your story are fiction.”

                      Anon, this is where a little knowledge and a lot of confirmation bias is dangerous. The only reason Joe Biden’s Ukraine connection is in the news is because of the political hack job the Democrats are doing trying to damage Trump with a phony political impeachment. If Joe was innocent whatever the President told the Ukrainians wouldn’t have mattered. So what you are saying is you know da.mn well Joe Biden is guilty.

                      If you are actually working for the other side as many say then you are doing a lousy job. You are highlighting the Biden’s potential guilt that wasn’t being touched by the MSM and likely never would have been a consideration

                2. Mitch can call anyone he wants in the Senate. Of course if he opens the door to witnesses it turns into a huge buzz kill for him.

                  The Blaze. Lol.

                  1. “The Blaze. Lol.”

                    The Washington Post LOL

                    Elvis, it is not where something is written but what is written and how it is written. The article was the first of many in my search. Instead of only repeating talking points try and dig deeper. Then you won’t run into so many problems defending your position on things like Trump and NYC.

                    If you come up with something true I will probably agree with you. However if you come up with spin and lies you will begin to look like Anon.

  11. Mickey Mouse Asks That Barr Recuse Himself

    Mickey Mouse was charged last October with funneling foreign money to U.S. political candidates and campaigns. He’s pleaded not guilty.
    Mickey Mouse and a second man, Goofy, were carrying one-way tickets to Vienna when they were arrested at Dulles Airport outside of Washington on Oct. 9.
    The indictment unsealed the next day accused the pair of making illegal straw donations, including $325,000 to a pro-President Donald Trump political action committee. Federal prosecutors say the two also engaged in a scheme to force the ouster of the then-U.S. ambassador in Ukraine.

    NBC News has previously reported that Barr was briefed by federal prosecutors in New York on the then-undisclosed case into Mickey Mouse when he took office earlier last year.
    In his letter to Barr, Mickey Mouse’ attorney cites the president’s July 2019 call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in which Trump mentions Barr as a point person for a possible investigation. It also notes the August 2019 whistleblower complaint, a call for recusal by Senate Democrats on the judiciary committee and one from the New York City Bar Association.
    The letter says federal prosecutors have refused to meet with Mickey Mouse and delayed the production of discovery evidence in his case. As a result, Mickey Mouse “was rendered unable to comply with a duly-issued congressional subpoena in time for congressional investigators to make complete use of his material or properly assess Mr. Mickey Mouse as a potential witness,” the letter says.

    Edited from: “Guiliani Associate Mickey Mouse Asks A.G. Barr To Recuse Himself From Case”
    Disney News, 1/20/20

    1. Regarding Above:

      Here one can see that certain dirty tricksters are working overtime today squashing any truthful debate regarding the impeachment and related issues. This effort illuminates the desperation Trump supporters currently feel. They know that Donald Trump cannot possibly account for all the many irregularities swirling around him.

      1. Crimes? Is that the same as “irregularities”? Is there actual evidence of any wrongdoing?
        Please enlighten us with the crimes which have been perpetrated. So far, all I see is the charges made of thin air and orange man bad.
        There can be no trial if there is no actual crimes committed, and, so far, the left can’t seem to come up with any real high crimes to base their shampeachment upon.
        Liberalism is a serious mental disorder, and the left continues to prove that true each day.

        1. For there to be an impeachment, there does not need to be a crime committed. One of the articles of impeachment according to the Constitution. I’m still on you side, but needed to point that out. Now, if by crimes you meant HIGH crimes, but you could have been referring to assault and battery.

      2. What a bunch of B/S, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. Get off that CNN crap, it’s making you look stupid.

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