Pelosi Shreds Decades Of Tradition In Demonstrating Against Trump

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This morning I have a column in the Hill newspaper on my reaction to the disgraceful conduct of Speaker Nancy Pelosi and various Democratic members at the State of the Union address last night. As I tweeted during the address, her conduct tore up more than a speech, but decades of tradition and left any semblance of civility in tatters on the House floor.

Forty-four years ago, I walked on to the floor of the House of Representatives as a new Democratic 15-year-old page from Chicago.  I stood and marveled at the beehive of activity on the floor in the People’s House. I can still remember that moment because it forged a bond and reverence that has never weakened for me.  As a Democratic leadership page during the speakership of Tip O’Neill, I watched some of the most passionate and important debates of the generation from the Neutron Bomb to civil rights legislation to sweeping national park bills.  The country was deeply divided, but both parties maintained the tradition of civility and decorum.  I was struck how members, even in the heat of furious debates, would not attack each other by name and followed rigid principles of decorum. They understood that they were the custodians of this institution and bore a duty to strengthen and pass along those traditions to the next generation.

That is why I was (and remain) so offended by this display. I believe that President Trump himself is worthy of criticism for not shaking the hand of Pelosi. I also did not approve of aspects of his speech, including bestowing the Medal of Freedom on Rush Limbaugh in the gallery like a reality show surprise scene. There was much to object to in the address, but presidents often make comments that enrage or irritate speakers.

However, none of that excuses Pelosi. At that moment, she represents the House as an institution — both Republicans and Democrats. Instead, she decided to become little more than a partisan troll from an elevated position. The protests of the Democratic members also reached a new low for the House. Pelosi did not gavel out the protest. She seemed to join it.

It was the tradition of the House that a speaker must remain in stone-faced neutrality no matter what comes off that podium. The tradition ended last night with one of the more shameful and inglorious moments of the House in its history. Rather than wait until she left the floor, she decided to demonstrate against the President as part of the State of the Union and from the Speaker’s chair. That made it a statement not of Pelosi but of the House.

For those of us who truly love the House as an institution, it was one of the lowest moments to unfold on the floor. That is why I argue in the Hill that, if Pelosi does not apologize and agree to honor the principle of neutrality and civility at the State of the Union, she should resign as speaker.

570 thoughts on “Pelosi Shreds Decades Of Tradition In Demonstrating Against Trump”

  1. Poor bac km branch racist Jonny boy:

    “There’s a reason a loser like Jon gets stuck at the 22nd ranked 2nd tier law school, only to be dragged out by the GOP when they can’t go lower”
    **********************

    There also a reason folks like you hide behind a pseudonym and cowardly go on a guy’s site to harangue him probably knowing the object of your juvenile scorn won’t even read it.

    Hint: The answer is in the sentence above and starts with a “c.” Partial credit for “stupidity” as your answer.

    1. Why only “partial credit for stupidity”, Mespo? Poor Brokeback Mountain, or whatever long username he adopted, deserves full credit in that category.

  2. Nancy Pelosi’s ‘Trump’ Trilogy

    To distract from their own divisions, the Democrats created a Star Wars villain.

    With Donald Trump’s acquittal in the Senate, the Star Wars-esque trilogy of Democratic attacks against his presidency has ended. But could a sequel trilogy be in the offing?

    With the 2020 U.S. presidential election officially under way (well, sort of, after Iowa), it is a moment to assess the state of the competition. The first conclusion is startling: As if one weren’t enough, we now know the Democrats are competing against two Donald Trump s.

    The first Trump is the person elected 45th president of the U.S. by voters in November 2016. That is the Trump who delivered the State of the Union speech, an enumeration of his policies and a look at the content of his re-election campaign.

    Speaker Nancy Pelosi tears up a copy of President Trump’s State of the Union address, Feb. 4. Photo: michael reynolds/Shutterstock
    But there’s another Donald Trump, the “Trump” of the Democratic Party’s imagination—a Darth Vaderish emperor of evil, whose speech House Speaker Nancy Pelosi methodically tore to pieces, as if summoning an ancient curse that would finally make “Trump” melt into a puddle before her.

    “Trump” is the character Bernie Sanders calls “the most corrupt president in history” or in Mike Bloomberg’s TV ads is “an angry, out-of-control president.”

    While the rest of the country went about its business the past three years, the Democrats and much of Washington’s media have tried to reimagine the U.S. presidency as a kind of Star Wars trilogy between the forces of good and rank evil.

    The first episode was “The Russian Collusion Narrative” in which “Trump” conspires with the head of the Russian Empire to destroy American democracy. The second installment, taking up where the Mueller cliffhanger left us, was “Obstruction of Justice,” which after the “Collusion” blockbuster had a strikingly short run.

    Then came the “Trump” trilogy’s final installment: “Impeachment,” with headliners Adam Schiff and Jerry Nadler. The box office for “Impeachment” was awful, and it ended up getting 52 thumbs down in the U.S. Senate.

    Like a Hollywood studio over-invested in sequels, the Democratic Party has bet the ranch and its chances of winning the presidency on the American people concluding from this saturation that they are in the grip of “Trump.” And that’s not going to change.

    Speaker Pelosi ostentatiously tearing up Mr. Trump’s speech was a symbolic act of “Trump” repudiation, but she probably did further damage to the party’s brand by in effect dismissing and insulting the stories of undeniable personal triumph we’d just heard. That was a miscalculation.

    But Nance the Ripper showed us more than that. All the separate policies and issues identified in the president’s speech—jobs, the economy, energy, health care, trade, Iran, the aspirations of minorities—are generally regarded as the normal business of politics. But normal politics has become irrelevant to the party’s strategy.

    However ham-handed Mrs. Pelosi’s gesture, there is always method in her madness (in that, she and her “Trump” nemesis are twins).

    After Mr. Trump won the 2016 election, surely Mrs. Pelosi saw that her seething, unhappy party wasn’t a pretty picture. The Democrats needed to invent the one-dimensional monster called “Trump,” to divert the attention of the American people from the fact that their own party was deeply divided between the Sanders far left and the Clinton center-left, a division that inexorably produced the political pileup we just witnessed in Iowa.

    As of late Wednesday, Pete Buttigieg, an articulate chameleon, appeared to be tied for delegates with Bernie Sanders—the lucky loser of 2016 who became the American left’s standard-bearer. But the bottom fell out in Iowa for Joe Biden and the party’s center. One flawed caucus won’t decide the nomination, but the lesson of the party’s division is clear: Move left, or lose.

    Moderates such as Sen. Amy Klobuchar can resist this leftward drift, but they offer substantive dissent at their peril. As a case study in leftward pressure, consider Mr. Bloomberg, the likely beneficiary of this mess.

    Last weekend, the former New York mayor released the outlines of his tax plan. He called it “progressive.” He’s right about that and interestingly so.

    A November piece on the Carbon Tax Center website was titled “The Climate Moment—and Movement—Have Passed Mike Bloomberg By.” It discussed environmental tax policy, suggesting a carbon tax was now seen as insufficient to raise “the vast amounts needed” to pay for green energy programs.

    “In the U.S.,” the article argued, “new work by the U-C Berkeley economists Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel Zucman suggests that taxes on extreme wealth and financial transactions, supplemented by increases in estate taxes, marginal income-tax rates, capital gains and corporate taxes, will be able to generate trillions of dollars from the wealthiest American households.”

    Mr. Bloomberg’s just-released plan repeats that tax-policy mix. It proposes higher taxes on corporations, upper incomes, estates and capital gains. As to a tax on financial transactions, The Wall Street Journal’s story on the plan said he is “considering” it.

    At the presidential level, the phrase “moderate Democrat” is looking increasingly oxymoronic. These “moderate” candidates are something else, a political animal undergoing evolution from mod to prog. They’re now modprogs, an uncertain species difficult for voters to identify with.

    So their solution has been to create “Trump.” Who as either impeached creature or president just hit 49% approval in the Gallup poll.

    Good luck with the Iowa sequel in New Hampshire.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/nancy-pelosis-trump-trilogy-11580947649

  3. WSJ

    James Madison 1, Nancy Pelosi 0

    Impeachment achieved nothing but more bitter political division.

    A sorry period in Congressional history ended Wednesday with the Senate acquittal of President Trump on two articles of impeachment passed by a partisan and reckless Democratic House. Chalk up one more victory for the Framers of the Constitution, who realized the dangers of political factions and created the Senate to check them.

    A sign of our hyperpartisan times is that not a single Senate Democrat broke ranks on either article, not even the “obstruction of Congress” article that sought to eviscerate the separation of powers and two centuries of precedent on executive privilege. The vote was 53-47. Apparently the wrath of the anti-Trump resistance, and the risk of a possible primary challenge, was too fearsome to buck. Or perhaps it was a relatively easy vote since Mr. Trump was in no danger of being evicted from office.

    Republican Mitt Romney broke GOP ranks to convict the President on the other article, “abuse of power,” making that vote to acquit 52-48. That’s still far from the two-thirds that James Madison and the Founders, in their wisdom, required for conviction.

    Mr. Romney will now be derided as either a traitor or a hero, but we take his word that he voted his conscience. His explanation for his vote is another story.

    The Utah Senator set up the straw man that the President’s lawyers said an impeachable act must also be a criminal offense. But Mr. Romney knows that isn’t the proper standard that other Senators used to judge impeachable conduct. He also claimed Mr. Trump “withheld vital military funds” from Ukraine, when the President merely delayed it and no investigation of the Bidens was ever undertaken.

    “Corrupting an election to keep oneself in office is perhaps the most abusive and destructive violation of one’s oath of office that I can imagine,” Mr. Romney said on the Senate floor. But no election was corrupted, and no national security interests were jeopardized because other Senators and advisers persuaded Mr. Trump to release military aid.

    Nebraska Senator Ben Sasse offered a far more thoughtful argument in the Omaha World Herald for his vote to acquit: “You don’t remove a president for initially listening to bad advisors but eventually taking counsel from better advisors—which is precisely what happened here.”

    He also put impeachment in the context of today’s political furies. “Today’s debate comes at a time when our institutions of self-government are suffering a profound crisis of legitimacy, on both sides of the aisle,” Mr. Sasse said. “We need to shore up trust. A reckless removal would do the opposite, setting the nation on fire. Half of the citizenry—tens of millions who intended to elect a disruptive outsider—would conclude that D.C. insiders overruled their vote, overturned an election and struck their preferred candidate from the ballot.”

    This is conscience tempered by judgment and political prudence, and similar cases were made by swing state Senators Susan Collins (Maine) and Cory Gardner (Colorado), as well as Tennessee’s Lamar Alexander as we wrote Monday. The shame is that Mr. Romney’s vote hands a political sword to the Democrats running this year against Ms. Collins, Mr. Gardner and Arizona’s Martha McSally.

    Mr. Romney’s vote won’t matter to Mr. Trump, but Democrats and the impeachment press will now use Mr. Romney as an authority against his GOP Senate colleagues. At least Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has the compensation of knowing that Alabama Democrat Doug Jones has all but signed his eviction notice in 2020 by voting to convict on both articles.

    ***

    In the bitter end, what has all of this accomplished? The House has defined impeachment down to a standard that will now make more impeachments likely. “Abuse of power” and “corrupt motives” are justifications that partisans in both parties can use.

    Mr. Trump remains in office, but he will now claim vindication and use it as a rallying cry for re-election against what he will call an attempted insider coup. The partisan furies have intensified, and this election year will be even more bitterly fought. Mr. Trump’s political standing has even improved during the impeachment struggle, as voters concluded early on that his behavior was wrong and unwise but not impeachable.

    We doubt this is what Nancy Pelosi hoped for, but it is what her partisan impeachment has wrought. She lost to a better statesman—James Madison. Now let the voters decide, as Madison and his mates intended.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/james-madison-1-nancy-pelosi-0-11580948657

  4. The following bears repeating —

    Jonathan Turley:

    “I also did not approve of aspects of his speech, including bestowing the Medal of Freedom on Rush Limbaugh in the gallery like a reality show surprise scene. There was much to object to in the address, but presidents often make comments that enrage or irritate speakers.

    “However, none of that excuses Pelosi. “

    1. I did not approve of Barack Obama bestowing the Medal of Freedom on VP Joe Biden. For what? Doing his dam job? What had Joe Biden EVER done that warrants a Medal of Freedom? His family has cashed in on his office for decades. His son is a corrupt scumbag. Biden is as dumb as a doorknob. What the hell did Biden do to deserve the Medal of Freedom? And Biden is over there on CNN dissing Limbaugh for getting the Medal. My god Biden needs some self awareness. The man lost Iowa! He wasn’t even viable! How embarrassing for Joe. Shut up Joe and go home to your very weird dysfunctional corrupt family fortunes made at the expense of the taxpayers.

  5. Well next time don’t go strutting around Washington until you know exactly who you are dealing with. We all knew Pelosi was a nutter- is this news to you? Get off your soapbox, nobody is going to give you a medal. And if the SOTU has the feel of Oprah- maybe you should say it to her face- or maybe go tell Obama because he put on an Oprah circus for 8 years- where were you then?

  6. Trump’ Legal Problems Far From Over

    The next nine months before the 2020 presidential election are packed with landmines that can cause all manner of embarrassing headlines, adverse legal rulings and other politically risky decisions for Trump and his administration. Here’s a rundown.

    The Ukraine probe 2.0

    The most pressing question upon Trump’s acquittal is how quickly and aggressively the House will resume its investigation of the Ukraine scandal. Already there have been mounting calls for the House to subpoena former national security adviser John Bolton, who offered eyewitness testimony during the Senate trial but was never called by Republicans.

    Lev Parnas

    Lev Parnas, the indicted associate of President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani.

    Likewise, House Democrats may schedule a deposition for Lev Parnas, the indicted associate of Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, a central figure in the Ukraine matter. Parnas, who along with three colleagues is scheduled to go on trial Oct. 5 in a Manhattan federal court, has been a willing cooperator with the House’s inquiry since a judge granted him permission last month to begin sharing documents with lawmakers.

    Democrats have also subpoenaed for documents from the State Department and other agencies and may press their case in court to obtain those files, some of which have already begun seeping out in heavily redacted FOIA responses.

    Trump’s finances

    The Supreme Court is scheduled to hear oral arguments on March 31 on three cases that could help define Trump’s presidential powers — and set precedent for future chief executives, too. Justices have agreed to hear several disputes that center on two questions: Does Trump have to comply with congressional subpoenas for his financial records? And is the president immune from state criminal investigations?

    In the other case, Trump lawyers will face off with House attorneys from several committees who subpoenaed the president’s financial records as part of their probes into Trump.

    Emoluments

    Trump still faces three separate lawsuits accusing Trump of illegally profiting from his hotels and other hospitality businesses

    The D.C. and Maryland governments are awaiting a decision from the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that alleges the president ignored clauses in the Constitution that block federal officials from collecting a salary via “emoluments” originating from foreign countries. All 15 members of the Richmond-based court heard oral arguments on the case in December.

    Edited from: “Trump Is Done With Impeachment. Here Are His Next Legal Challenges”

    Today’s Politico

    1. Regarding Above:

      Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman are scheduled for trial on October 5; the height of campaign season. Imagine how distracting that could be! Trump’s campaign could find itself continually dogged by revelations coming from that trial.

          1. Anonymous, that video of Trump during National Anthem reveals him as a hyperactive kid in an almost literal sense.

  7. Sauce for the goose, sir.

    But herein, partisanship has trumped any sense of proportionality of justice. You’re just a GOP sycophant.

    Your rubber clown nose has seldom been so prominent.

  8. I agree with this, I think its spot on. I mean I am no fan of Mr Trump nor any of this ugliness now but that was so petty and childish looking, looked like a planned tantrum. I believed from the start she never intended to push the impeachment she’s just playing to her fans. I don’t know if its true or not but I read she was giving out commemorative pens from the signing of the articles of impeachment? I have no time to research this stuff so its the problem with the “news” today that you never know what you’re reading but I saw some video and if its true that’s even more disgraceful. She treats it like an entertainment event. But it looked to me like she was afraid of a showdown of constitutional powers and so she intentionally sabotaged her own case by rushing through instead of using her constitutional authority to compel witnesses. I don’t know how that would have turned out but seems like she knew it would fail and just did it so she could say “look, I impeached the President”, then blame it on the republicans in the senate who as you had written were naturally going to not decline to call witnesses that she didn’t feel compelled to call and vote to not ratify the impeachment. She actually did accomplish one thing though while standing behind the president that almost no one else has been able to do. She made him look good.

    1. The House had witnesses. In fact they had 18 witnesses. Only the 18th witness would NOT be revealed by the house committee – speculation is because he would not lie to the committee and say things that were not true to them, even they wanted him to.
      Oh, and yes, there was video showing polosi giving out pens she used to sign the impeachment. You’re just not watching a news channel.

      1. Bob Miller – only the evidence of the 13 were entered into evidence in the Senate trial.

    2. Her pen party was very real and surreal at the same time. she was grinning like A Chessire cat from the get go……………

  9. Thank you for having the strength to say what we all feel, Jonathan. We elected these individuals to unite together for all of our best interests. What she did was no better than a 4 year old throwing a fit on a kindergarten carpet. I appreciate your honesty and your straightforwardness in this issue. Thank you for speaking up for all of us to feel the same.

  10. Pelosi insulted me, an American citizen, personally and every other American by her disgraceful display. Pelosi dishonored my House and me. She is no longer fit to be SOH. Last night she threw her honor away.

  11. If legal relativism is accepted, there can be no certainties—including our own. When positive law alone rules, there are no guiding principles that can establish immutable safeguards that will uphold citizen rights. Our present state of legal confusion will only become worse since it will enshrine chaos, not justice, into our judicial system.

    The only way out of our constitutional crisis is to return to the higher law tradition upon which our legal system is based. We can no longer live upon the remnants of this tradition that still manage to maintain some order in society. This higher law tradition is found in our Common Law that reaches back over 900 years. It is based on human nature and not the fickle will of individuals. Such law is not defined by might or partisan politics, but immutable principles.
    https://theimaginativeconservative.org/2020/02/natural-law-our-constitutional-crisis-john-horvat.html?utm_source=The+Imaginative+Conservative+%28Daily%29&utm_campaign=0919a73260-Today%27s+Essays&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b25fb6fc69-0919a73260-132528881&mc_cid=0919a73260&mc_eid=c1f326aae5

  12. Pelosi Shreds Decades Of Tradition In Demonstrating Against Trump

    I believe that President Trump himself is worthy of criticism for not shaking the hand of Pelosi. I also did not approve of aspects of his speech, including bestowing the Medal of Freedom on Rush Limbaugh in the gallery like a reality show surprise scene.

    Why how very instructive.

    The so-called leaders of our nation of 340 million persons and also of what is termed the free-world acting as if they were children having a temper-tantrum at their local neighborhood playground.

    How low can they go?

    It’s not as if our nation is suffering from record amounts of homelessness a growing child poverty rate (etal) along with soaring mountains of despair during a time of multiple trillion dollar boondoggles (eg banker bailouts, Affordable Care Act, war, total surveillance, etc)

    A government that squanders trillions of dollars on militant adventurism thousands of miles from home – across large swaths Africa and Southwest/east Asia – in vainglorious attempt to provide stability/security can provide neither 50 miles from our Capitol in the City of Baltimore.

    This government has no clothes.

    All the voting electorate should forgo participation in the national elections of 2020 as protest.

    Republican/Democrat is synonymous with self serving loser out for their own best interest at expense of what remains of the once was republic.

    Cast off the repressive yoke of the US government and withdraw your consent to be governed by an indifferent parasitic class (ie politicians) of losers.

    1. Well-said!! I think we’d cringe to find out that BOTH sides of our government have corruption and children at the public trough. Congress members coming in with a salary of $174k annually, leaving a few years later as millionaires…how? You hit it on the head…”out for their own best interest at the expense of what remains of what once was a republic.” I’m ashamed of both sides, and I believe they are all in it together. You have to have a party to hate in order to keep the public busy while we’re getting fleeced. At the end of a hard day of politicking and hating, they all gather in an obscure DC bar, tally up the points made against the opposition, loser buys, and they all drink together and laugh at us for being dumb enough to pay for it.

    1. Oops, above I left out the title:

      Mike Adams guest hosts The Alex Jones Show to break down the lies from the truth when reporting the dangers of a coronavirus pandemic.

    1. The problem I have with this guy, is that Francis Boyle is a lawyer not a virologist….he makes interesting remarks however

      certainly the threat of engineered viruses as bio-weapons is a very grave concern, whether this is one or not

      1. Because it was a made-for-TV reality show, starring Donald Trump.

        Natacha,
        That’s the nicest comment/compliment you’ve ever made regarding your/our President Donald J. Trump. He is a star; good point. And that’s what the President provided; a heavy dose of reality. It was only fitting that Pelosi chose to rip up her metaphorical connection to reality.

        1. That’s the nicest comment/compliment you’ve ever made regarding your/our President Donald J. Trump.
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          Sad but true

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          And that’s what the President provided; a heavy dose of reality.
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          Reality TV is successful because so many buffoons believe it is like reality.

          1. Reality TV is successful because so many buffoons believe it is like reality.

            Is that you Nancy?

            What he was saying to African-Americans can be effective. You may not like it, but he mentioned HBCUs [historically black colleges and universities] — our black colleges have been struggling for a long time, a bunch of them have gone under — he threw a lifeline to them, in real life, in his budget. He talked about that. He talked about the criminal justice reform. He talked about opportunity zones. He talked about school choice.
            https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/02/05/van-jones-warns-democrats-trump-is-helping-african-americans-in-real-life/?fbclid=IwAR1za-JwjTidhsfRmlK4ft-18lmCGINGtZZa7LxY_DEfPgZy2zTT5WUWpCY

            1. He talked about that. He talked about the criminal justice reform. He talked about opportunity zones. He talked about school choice.
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              Why ere you claiming that was like reality TV?

              1. Your comment: Why ere you claiming that was like reality TV?

                You asserted it was Reality TV. I asserted it was reality; it just happened to be on TV. It was also on radio and it is available in print.

                My comment: And that’s what the President provided; a heavy dose of reality.

                Reality TV is successful because so many buffoons believe it is like reality.

                1. You asserted it was Reality TV
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                  Prof Turley said parts of the speech were like Reality TV. I didn’t see the speech and have not commented on what it was like.

                  1. Prof Turley said parts of the speech were like Reality TV.

                    Nope. Not in this post or his Hill article. It was Natacha who made that statement.

                    I didn’t see the speech and have not commented on what it was like.

                    If you’re going to troll one of Turley’s post, at least pretend you’re informed on the topic.

    1. I didn’t see this specifically for your examples but I read that the US Army adopted new uniforms that closely resemble those of the second world war. It was a tribute in a sense you might say.

      https://www.army.mil/uniforms/

      1. Maybe they are rehearsing to drop the big one on the US Congress?

        Its not like anyone outside of DC will mourn their loss

    2. Because it is the newest dress uniform for the Army adopted in 2019. If I remember correctly, members will have to replace their “Blues” over the next 2 years.They are similar to the WW2 uniform but not an exact copy.

    3. Because the man you may have seen was a WWII veteran. A Tuskegee airman in particular.

      1. Nancy, while I found the part about the honor bestowed on the surviving Tuskegee airman so moving, I was referring to the military leaders from all the branches seated. I think they were in the front.

        Darren and another poster commented that there has been a change in uniform last year that is getting phased in.

      1. I like the uniform, though I concede the brimmed hats are over-the-top, with the exaggerated height and the overly droopy sides. It seemed to be a design by committee that went too far on trying to be traditional.

        1. Our men in service of the US, military, police, etc., look far better under Trump then Obama.

          IE: I was offended & pissed when Obama put our soldiers in Red High heals.

          Back in old school days that would be call for a timely b*tch slap, but as all the lawyers say to people, we can’t think that way.

          Our enemies are laughing at us becoming a bunch of weak puzzies.

          Ok, I’m good, but I know how people…

  13. As long as conservatives allow the public education system to continue to be politicized hard Left, it will continue to turn out generations of Americans who see nothing wrong with demonizing someone they oppose politically. With preventing opposing ideas to be heard. With committing acts of violence because they don’t like someone’s politics.

    The nation did not trouble to check this, and now we have adults who don’t know why Socialism is bad. They think it’s just free stuff. And everyone likes free stuff. It’s like otters. Who can resist an otter?

    1. …”now we have adults who don’t know why Socialism is bad. They think it’s just free stuff. And everyone likes free stuff. It’s like otters. ”

      Karen keeps repeating this nonsense.

      1. Anonymous

        Karen provides a lot more truth and wisdom than I have ever seen from you.

          1. Anonymous – I think the rising number of people posting Anonymously is why JT no longer list the top commentors.

                1. “…it is not silly if you are in the top 10.”

                  I have to disagree, Paul. I think it’s childish and reflects poorly on the blog.

                  1. Anonymous – spoken like someone who has never made it into the Top 10. 😉

      1. Assuming someone will have you, it may work to your favor. Keep the self loathing to a minimum and you may get lucky.

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