Second Circuit Rules In Favor Of Trump Administration On Sanctuary Cities

The Trump Administration won a major victory with decision by the 2nd US Circuit Court of Appeals in favor of its sanctions against “sanctuary cities” which refuse to cooperate with federal immigration enforcement. The decision in New York v. Department of Justice reversed a lower court ruling blocking the policy of withholding certain grants. Despite my disagreement with friends like Judge Napolitano, I previously stated that I thought the Administration would prevail ultimately on this challenge though there are good-faith arguments against government. The decision could have two immediate impacts. First, it will add pressure to cities in their opposition to the immigration policies. Second, it could create the type of split in the circuits that make a Supreme Court review more likely as these challenges move beyond the trial level.

The case originated with the decision in July 2017 by then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions limiting the availability to Edward Byrne Memorial Justice Assistance Grants on the basis for cooperation with the federal government. The move was challenged by the city of New York and various states, including a New York, Connecticut, New Jersey, Washington, Massachusetts, Virginia and Rhode Island. It is also a rejection of the analysis of United States District Court for the Southern District of New York Edgardo Ramos.

Judge Reena Raggi, writing on behalf of the unanimous 3-judge panel, such conditions on federal grants are legitimate tools to enforce national immigration laws and rejected the claim that they “intrude on powers reserved to the States.” 

The panel recognized the inherent authority of the Executive Branch in this case and stated that case being advanced by the Administration in a host of such cases:

As the Supreme Court has repeatedly observed, in the realm of immigration policy, it is the federal government that maintains “broad,” Arizona v. United States, 567 U.S. 387, 394 (2012), and “preeminent,” power, Toll v. Moreno, 458 U.S. 1, 10 (1982), which is codified in an “extensive and complex” statutory scheme, Arizona v. United States, 567 U.S. at 395. Thus at the same time that the Supreme Court has acknowledged States’ “understandable frustrations with the problems caused by illegal immigration,” it has made clear that a “State may not pursue policies that undermine federal law.” Id. at 416. As Chief Justice John Marshall wrote over 200 years ago, “the states have no power, by taxation or otherwise, to retard, impede, burden, or in any manner control, the operations of the constitutional laws enacted by congress to carry into execution the powers vested in the general government.” McCulloch v. Maryland, 17 U.S. 316, 436 (1819). This fundamental principle, a bedrock of our federalism, is no less applicable today. Indeed, it pertains with particular force when, as here, Congress acts pursuant to its power under the Spending Clause. See U.S. CONST. art. I, § 8.

Here is the opinion: New York v. Justice Department

68 thoughts on “Second Circuit Rules In Favor Of Trump Administration On Sanctuary Cities”

  1. Sanctuary Cities Are Not A Dumb Idea

    There Are Compelling Reasons

    The Corona Virus is a perfect example to illustrate the need for Sanctuary Cities.  If an epidemic spreads throughout the U.S., we want people seeking treatment immediately.

    We dont want Immigrants trying to tough out Corona in small apartments with family, friends and neighbors breathing the same air.  That’s a recipe for disaster!

    But you dont need Corona for a health emergency.  The measles, mumps and whooping cough are reasons enough to encourage trust in public health officials.  Sexual diseases are another; AID’s is still a threat.

    The same dynamics apply to a number of different issues.  Sex Trafficking is a prime example.  We dont women living as slaves on American soil.  Nor do we want children held in any bondage.  Immigrants must feel free to come forward when reporting serious crimes.

    Education is another example.  We dont want parents keeping children out of school because they fear enrollment paperwork.  We dont want tenants afraid of Building Inspectors.  Horrific fires could result if unscrupulous landlords take advantage of Immigrants.  

    We dont Farm Workers or Day Laborers being cheated out of wages by unscrupulous employers.  Or being subjected to hazardous conditions that leave them disabled.  Workers must be free to file complaints with Labor Officials.

    Animal Control Officers, DMV Employees, Water & Power Technicians, Coroners, Pharmacists and Food Inspectors are all professionals Immigrants must trust.  We cant have a segment of society living underground.

    Sanctuary Cities were created for a number of common sense reasons.  But Donald Trump has no common sense, nor has rightwing media.  They would have us believe Sanctuary Cities is just a flaky liberal concept hamstringing police.  In reality, the opposite is true.  

    1. Peter – the 2nd Circuit begs to differ with you. BTW, immigration has not bothered schools since the 1970s (I think) since I taught a lot of illegal aliens and they were not afraid to come to school. The biggest problem we had was that they were illiterate in two languages, Spanish and English, We taught them English, they learned Spanglish at home.

      When you realize what Sanctuary Cities are really about, get back to me.

    2. An even less dumb idea would be to uphold the laws on illegal immigration so there would be no need for sanctuary cities.

    3. The issue is not the wisdom of sanctuary cities;it is a question of their constitutionality.

    4. Sanctuary Cities were created… because we have people in this country illegally.

      We cant have a segment of society living underground.

      No sh!t! You’ve identified a number of compelling reasons why we don’t want people in this country illegally.

      1. Olly, they’re here and many have been here up to 30 years or more. Let’s deal with reality.

        1. Let’s deal with reality.

          Sure. The reality is you routinely fail to logically consider the unintended consequences. For example, your laundry list of compelling reasons is evidence of unintended consequences of the systematic enabling of illegal immigration. By the way, that in no way is meant to say certain consequences weren’t actually intended.

          So you say, yeah but, the reality is they’re here. So logically you conclude violators of our laws should not suffer the consequences of their illegality, on the basis of successfully maneuvering around the law. So here is an opportunity for you demonstrate an ability for critical thinking. Allow me to set up a couple of questions with this from Bastiat:

          When law and morality contradict each other, the citizen has the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense or losing his respect for the law. These two evils are of equal consequence, and it would be difficult for a person to choose between them.

          What message is being communicated to the American taxpaying citizen if they are forced to subsidize violators of our immigration laws?

          What message is being communicated to foreigners regarding the benefits of illegally residing in the United States?

  2. Penn State, the ‘Sanctuary City for Pedophiles’, has for decades operated a child sex trafficking enterprise, grooming tens of thousands of innocent children for the sexual depravity of well connected politicians, wealthy donors, and high ranking university administrators. Penn State bribed former FBI Director Louis Freeh to whitewash the scandal, and then delivered several young boys to former Democratic Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell for his hideous depravity in exchange for the early release of Pedophile State from NCAA sanctions. Newly unsealed documents revealed George Mitchell’s connection to Jeffrey Epstein…. Does the media possess the journalistic integrity to investigate the George Mitchell-Louis Freeh-Pedophile State-Joel Myers-Barry Myers international child sex trade operation?

    1. Anyone in a some what right mind Hates Pedo & it seems with this issue we might be able to help some of the kids & at the same time get rid of some rotten prevs in bedded into our govt leadership positions.

  3. Illegal immigration is totally irresponsible. I have never heard a compelling argument in favor of it, only legal immigration.

    1. One of these days people in the US need to decide if we are a Capitalist style Republic or a Commie/Fascist style Socialist nation.

      I just heard Prez Trump say he was going to look into price gouging. That’s acting as a Socialist! Capitalism means market demand sets price not govt.

      I mean I still support Trump far more then say Hillary, but jeeez.
      When I invest in something going up I shouldn’t have to compete against the gov’t all the damn time.

      I see this link below earlier today, here is Trump guy, Ok’s own Senator Lankford & other US reps Selling Out US tech workers & every other American regardless of their station in life. Oh my Sen Lankford we can’t have the market setting sale prices & wages. We need Commie Rino running our biz. (sarc off)

      All the while the US govt is throwing their Illegal Bio-Weapon, partial built in North Carolina, finished in China at us all..

      The short of the long:

      Hell yeah we, the govt, are going to kick the hell out of every American Family’s biz & pay checks.

      Yeah, there may soon be a day where the govt’s methods of control no long works.

    2. Karen here’s that piece I told you of a few weeks ago about Trump & his wife’s work on stopping child trafficking.

      I thought it was lost but here it is: 1.12 hrs long, I’ll like watch it again

  4. After reviewing the various comments below by fellow Democrats, I wonder what conservatives opposed to you might say.

  5. How did the Second Circuit distinguish Prinz v United States? It would appear Prinz directly undercuts this ruling.

  6. One other comment, I just can’t resist making. I knew Turley would jump on this court ruling story, because it appears to make Trump look good, instead of the story about Trump’s total failures in regard to disease prevention readiness and the lies about coronavirus. Trump dismantled the disease preparedness portions of the CDC, Homeland Security and other agencies, so we are behind. Yesterday, the CDC was warned Americans that it is anticipated that the coronavirus will spread and if it become a crisis, thought should be given to avoiding large meetings, schools should be prepared to have e-learning, and companies should consider ways workers could work from home. Meanwhile, Trump’s main economic advisor is claiming that the virus is totally contained, which is a lie. Then, Trump lied by claiming that it would be gone by April, as temperatures warm. There are no facts to support such a claim.

    Also, Rush Limbaugh claimed that coronavirus is nothing but the common cold, and that Democrats ginned up fears about a pandemic to panic the stock market and make Trump look bad.

    Stephanie Ruhle of MSNBC summed up the reason the market is dropping: no one believes anything that Trump says because he is a chronic, habitual liar, so when he has one of his syncophants say that the disease is completely contained in the US, “almost airtight” while the CDC says make plans in case of a pandemic, no one believes Trump. Trump also demanded that 45 Americans who tested positive for the virus be allowed to fly back to the US, over the objections of the CDC, then claimed to be incensed about it, after receiving massive criticism about what a stupid move this was.

    Prediction: Trump will command staff at the CDC to lie about the number of new cases, or not disclose the truth, and if they won’t tell the lies he demands, he’ll fire them. That’s what really scares people. It’s really sad when you can’t believe the leader of your own country to tell the truth about something as important as the risk of a communicable disease. Then, again, he lied about the predicted path of a hurricane, so no one would put this past him. Anything, literally anything, to make him look good.

    1. Stock analysts are plentiful, and if you gathered 10 in a room to get a consensus, you may end up with 20 different opinions.
      Not surprising that Natacha touts MSNBS News. The fact is that, irrespective of what Trump says, that the market have become overvalued after a spectacular runup over the last decade.
      It is especially vulnerable, given lofty valuations,.to any uncertainty.
      And especially in sectors like the airlines, hotels restaurants……any area rated to travel, tourism, public outings in crowded places….there’s going to be concern about how this Coronavirus will play out.
      Whether Trump glosses over the potential impact of this virus, or if he says “we’re all DOOMED”, the market is going to react to the inherent uncertainty of the impact of how this virus will run its course.
      And it’ll react independently of whatever Trump tweets or says.

    2. that’s not what rush said, he said it comes from the same family of viruses as the common cold, which is true

      I differ from Rush however in that I believe the situation with coronavirus is dangerous and even if containment has worked so far– and the experts say it is working so far, and fair enough evidence that it is– that does not mean that it will work forever, and that serious preparations for an outbreak should not be made.

      generally i would support more funding for the CDC not less. I think that was probably a bad idea to cut their budgets. i would cut about a thousand other budgets first, before theirs. but you know budget recommendations get put together mostly by a big staff of flunkies and the big guy just takes his staff’s recommendations. it’s been seen many times that a POTUS makes stupid recommendations where the budget is concerned, that is a bipartisan failing in our process.

      Trump should just bite leather and reverse himself on this point, and double down with twice as much funding, say 5 instead of 2.5. this is the time to spend it, if ever

      1. Coronavirus is a family of viruses that includes the common cold, as well as SARS. Covid-19 was suspected of being zoonotic, in which it jumps from animal to people.

        I agree that cuts to the CDC’s pandemic response budget is wrong, and needs a course correction. Much as I hate to add on to the spiraling debt, I’m with you on this one.

        1. Thanks for referencing Corona as part of a common cold family.

          I jokingly told someone I had corona, and quickly said “jk, ” but the look on their face, was priceless. Don’t worry its someone I know well, not a stranger. And no IIED here.

          SARs bounced from Bats, and this one, they were saying snake 🐍, no? Or something I read said Pangolin? How awesome looking are these Pangolins, btw…

          I cant say I have much love for Chinas wet markets….blood on the floors, bats next to pigs next to dogs, all in cages…really??? 🤔🤤😠😠😠

          I know there are cultural differences, I entertain that. But if you have a social credit system, and yet you chop up animals in the open with no regulations.

          How about a little more regulations pertaining to the food industry, and a little less marking people down for jaywalking…just saying

          Not happy with Winnie….meanest Pooh 🐻

          But thanks for telling folks Corona is common cold.

          1. And I know IIED doesn’t have an element for close relationships, that’s NIED.

            Dark humour, I like a dark comedy…

            I do think it’s serious, as do most…

            …i was only joking bc I had the nastiest virus last year, in November-December, and the cough is still lingering….i think they call is walking pneumonia, but it was bad…an upper respiratory virus, 103.2 fever, then pulled it down, took some antibitoics, thought it was a-okay, and then boom, back up to 102 plus, had to see another Dr get that steroid shot more antibitoics doxycycline I think it was….it was bad….all cough and chest…but not deadly…maybe it was part of corona virus family too, who knows!

      2. Here’s the problem: we don’t know what we don’t know about COVID-19. There is a confirmed case in rural California of someone who has not traveled abroad, hasn’t been in contact with anyone who has traveled abroad, who hasn’t had contact with anyone known to be infected, and this person hasn’t had a lot of contact with people because s/he lives in a rural area. How long is the prodromal period? Can you spread the infection before you are symptomatic? What are all of the means of getting the disease? Why is it that children don’t seem to get the disease at the same rate as adults? Is there something in the vaccines that children nowadays routinely receive that provides some form of protection? Do children get the disease, but it is only very mild, so they don’t get sick enough to see a doctor, but still pass it along to others? Who knows for sure the answers to any of these questions? If we had the rapid response team in place that Trump eliminated, they would have been on top of this infection when it first happened, gathering data that would provide insight and answers to these tough questions. We are behind, and it is Trump’s fault. Since no one believes anything he says, people will never have confidence in anything his administration says about containing the disease. All Trump cares about is making himself look good, and stopping the market from free falling.

    3. as to this comment: “Prediction: Trump will command staff at the CDC to lie about the number of new cases, or not disclose the truth, and if they won’t tell the lies he demands, he’ll fire them. ”

      NO, he won’t, that is what your friends in the Chinese Communist party have done, and you can see where it’s got them.

      So, you guys will have a choice between voting for Bernie who wants to socialize medicine, a thousand times worse than whatever Obama tried to do, or, gasp! TRUMP

      Or maybe you want to try the failed experiments of socialism such as they “workers’ paradise” in China has employed?

      I told you how you really get service in China. You BRIBE people to give it to you. The talk about “universal health care” is a totally vain promise in a country the size of China or for that matter the US. Don’t think you could get socialized medicine to work here like it does in Scandinavia. not possible.

      your life may depend on you making the right choice come November.

    4. Natacha:

      You might not be aware, but the CDC was wasting considerable money. One example was a study on HIV in prostitutes in China. While it should trim waste, I would agree that critical funding should not be removed, as in pandemics.

      Trump cannot lie about Covid-19 cases, because this is not communist China or a socialist dictatorship. A hospital would not refuse to verify a corona outbreak if Trump told them to. This is not a socialist dictatorship yet.

      While I agree that pandemic response requires sufficient funding, we have so far done an excellent job quarantining our Covid-19 patients after we got them home. What I vigorously disagreed with was the Diamond Princess being forced to stay in Japan’s harbor until most of the passengers were infected. It was an unsuitable quarantine facility. Passengers mixed. Infected staff could spread the illness from room to room. Based on the timeline of patients testing positive, infections were occurring after the ship was supposedly put into quarantine. We should have retrieved our people immediately.

      As for Covid-19’s spread, there is little to stop it. In order to make the virus go extinct, it would require strict quarantine, the stoppage of all international travel by air, boat, vehicle, or foot, by all affected countries. China lied about the outbreak long enough for quite a few people to churn through Wuhan. We still don’t have verification if it was zoonotic or not.

      It would be devastating for the world economy for the planet to shut off travel. Since it is not Ebola, governments have not quarantined countries. Therefor, the virus will spread. Those who get a mild version will visit or return to the US and cough and hack at Disneyland, the movies, the mall, and schools. Even if Trump shut down all travel into the country from all other countries, the virus will continue to spread globally. Unless the US permanently stopped all international travel until or unless the virus was declared functionally extinct, no matter when the border was reopened, the virus would arrive. Even if every person who came down with cold and flu symptoms took the test kit, and was immediately quarantined, new infectious patients would arrive for the reasons stated above. I do not believe that the world considers covid-19 a sufficient threat to quarantine entire countries and go thermonuclear on stopping it. Short of that, it might join the rounds of seasonal illnesses. Perhaps it will have less virulent strains in future seasons.

      Aside from increasing funding to the CDC, what do you propose President Trump do?

      1. I don’t know what bubble you live in, but Trump lied about COVID-19 just last evening. He stood in the presence of CDC physicians and claimed there were 15 cases, when there are actually 60, he claimed we’d have a vaccine “very soon”, when it will take at least 12 to 18 months, he contradicted the doctor who said more cases are “inevitable”, he said there would soon be “0” cases, and that the infections will end by April, based on absolutely no evidence. The biggest whopper of all was to blame the stock market drops of Monday and Tuesday on the Democratic debate that happened Tuesday evening, which didn’t happen until after both markets had dropped.

        Trump is a chronic, habitual liar, and so no one has any confidence in anything he says. He fires people who tell the truth, like Joseph Magure, who reported, as required by law, Russia’s new interference in our elections, trying to help Trump cheat, again. Trump never gave Barak Obama credit for the booming economy he inherited, and he’s trying to blame the market losses on Democrats and the media. He knows that so long as this crisis continues, the market will keep dropping, although maybe not as much as this week, so he has even more incentive to lie. There can be no doubt he’ll fire any CDC spokesperson who contradicts the false, rosy picture of the “airtight containment” message he’s trying to create. The US wouldn’t be behind except for his cuts to the rapid response team members at the NIH, CDC, DHS, and other agencies. We don’t even have the capacity to test for COVID-19 except in 4 cities, one of which is NOT New York.

        Trump is incompetent. He lies. No one believes he can be counted on to tell the truth. People are getting hurt as a result. He should just resign.

        1. TRUTH is the Democrats in Congress would rather see the stock markets crash and Americans sick and dying than have Trump succeed at anything.

        2. Beyond the counter productive falsehoods Trump spread yesterday and cuts to the CDC that you and others have noted, in his earlier Obama trolling he also eliminated a pandemic quick response team which included a position on the NSC and as a result, is reinventing that wheel in lost time. BS, disorganization, and a czar who has already screwed up government response to an HIV outbreak in Indiana is a not reassuring response from an administration not high on recognizing reality, let alone dealing with it.

          1. Fact check: Proposed cuts to the CDC never happened.

            “The National Institutes of Health and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention aren’t suffering from budget cuts that never took effect.”

            “Democratic presidential contenders are describing the federal infectious-disease bureaucracy as rudderless and ill-prepared for the coronavirus threat because of budget cuts and ham-handed leadership by President Donald Trump. That’s a distorted picture. For starters, Trump hasn’t succeeded in cutting the budget.”

            “The public health system has a playbook to follow for pandemic preparation — regardless of who’s president or whether specific instructions are coming from the White House. Those plans were put into place in anticipation of another flu pandemic, but are designed to work for any respiratory-borne disease…”


    5. Natacha said — “Trump dismantled the disease preparedness portions of the CDC…”

      Fact check: No, he did not.

      “The National Institutes of Health and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention aren’t suffering from budget cuts that never took effect.”

      “The public health system has a playbook to follow for pandemic preparation — regardless of who’s president or whether specific instructions are coming from the White House. Those plans were put into place in anticipation of another flu pandemic, but are designed to work for any respiratory-borne disease.”

    6. Natacha wrote: “Stephanie Ruhle of MSNBC summed up the reason…”

      Honey, NOONE watches or listens to anything on BSNBC. They are all a bunch of hysterical Russiagaters and lying nutjobs afflicted with TDS.

      1. So, when Stephanie says that market fears are driven by Trump’s reputation for being a liar, and therefore, investors have no confidence in him and believe he can’t be trusted, she’s got it wrong? Stephanie is an economist. She knows what drives the markets. Trump does lie. Constantly. About everything. He stood next to physicians who said more cases were inevitable, and said he didn’t believe it. He said we had 15 cases. The docs said 60 cases. He said we’d have a vaccine “very soon”, which a physician corrected by stating it would be a minimum of 12 to 18 months. He said we’d soon have 0 cases, and that the epidemic would end by April, with absolutely no evidence to support either of these claims. Worst of all, he said that investors were spooked by the performances of the Democratic candidates, when the debate was AFTER two straight days of losses on Wall Street. Today, the market lost another 1,200 points. Trump also praised himself for controlling COVID-19. Who says it’s under control? Certainly not the CDC. Because we’re behind in understanding this virus, due to lack of scientists to monitor the spread of this disease, we don’t know all the ways it can be spread, why some people get sick and others don’t or other essential information to help prevent the spread. We don’t even have kits to test for the virus in most hospitals.

        He put Pence in charge of organizing resources to combat COVID-19, based on what he claimed was a successful “Indiana model” for health care copied by other states. Pence’s record on health care in Indiana is dismal: he cut Medicaid and also refused to allow a needle exchange program in Scott County that had an outbreak of HIV due to dirty needles. His reason? His religious piety. He finally gave in, but at least 200 additional people got HIV due to his incompetence, and that will cost millions of dollars for treatment, probably from Medicaid. He also called Nancy Pelosi “incompetent” and said she doesn’t care about the welfare of Americans, but you don’t think these things cause people to lack confidence in him or believe that anything he ever says is for any reason other than self-adulation? He has to politicize everything and airs his grievances any time there’s a camera on him. He is driven by narcissism, and is incompetent.

        Trump DID de-fund positions at the NSA, HSA and CDC and other agencies involved in the rapid response team, primarily because this was a left-over from the Obama Administration.

        Anyone who believes what Trump says is a victim of “Trump Derangement Syndrome”, because you’d have to be crazy or delusional to think he has any leadership skills or cares about the welfare of America.

        1. Stephanie, is on the money. Worked on Wall St. for a decade give or take.

          And interestingly enough, election night ’16, party at Trump tower. Markets started to crash when reports showed Trump gaining an electoral college boost. Wall St. wanted HRC to win because she was *much* more predictable. But Trump supporter Carl Icahn (and others) left the party and dropped over a billion dollars in the overnight stock markets and prices kicked back up by morning in the States. Rare since American presidential elections usually shock the market into realignment no matter who wins. I happen to think the Icahn episode was one of the biggest instances of insider trading in American history.

          1. There are not very many Wall Street analysts or pundits worth paying attention to.
            And the company concern ( or panic) over the Coronavirus is because of the impact it’s having.
            That impact certainly includes tangible economic effects.
            And it’s largely those effects, in addition to a stock market that hit lofty valuations after a 10 year bull market, that are driving the market selloff.
            What Trump tweets or what an MSNBS reporter says are sideshows.

              I tried to post this before, but I don’t think it posted.
              This gives a good snapshot of the stock market’s massive runup over the past decade.
              These kinds of extended, multi-year bull markets, without a significant correction ( pullback), are not common.
              That in itself, the “valuations part”, and the legitimate concerns about the ultimate impact of the Coronavirus, are primarily driving this market selloff.
              Not tweets, and not the musings of an MSNBS reporter.

              1. ( At the top of the S&P chart, clicking on the “10 year” will reset the chart).

        2. First of all, Nancy Pelosi is an incompetent liar herself. Second, all career politicians, like Schumer and Pelois, et al, lie constantly. Third, Trump is the only one of that bunch of Do Nothing Dems who actually cares about the welfare of America. Schumer and Pelosi are exploiting and weaponizing this coronavirus against Trump. But just wait until they get to the Democrat convention in Milwaukee. They know what’s coming.

  7. Yeah, Turley, but TWO OTHER COURTS ruled differently. More of King Donald of the Order of Bone Spurs usurping the power of Congress to determine how our tax dollars are spent, plus usurpation of the power and rights of local government to determine how their jail resources are to be used. Refusing to pay the cost to house, guard, and provide medical care for those who are incarcerated (and who have not committed any criminal offense, since seeking asylum is not a criminal offense) plus the cost to pay the salaries of people to keep records and notify ICE is not in any manner interfering with immigration laws. Rather, the feds are trying to interfere with local law enforcement.

    None of this is fair unless those who employ the illegals are also immediately jailed.

    1. The last time Natch said this garbage about “Those who employ illegals should be jailed” i pointed out that we do have crimes for knowingly employing illegals, we do have a form called form I-9 which employers regularly have prepared by employees nearly always the same time they sign a w-4 form, and the employees are required to provide proof, etc.


      Now before you Natch pretend that is some other never do well’s dirty deed using illegal immigrants as contract labor, understand, whenever you buy something from anyone else in the marketplace, you too may be “employing” illegal labor under your very imprecise usage of the word.

      For example, should i have to check IDs if I go buy from the taco truck? Because maybe they are using contract labor? and i buy from them? preposterous but that is the kind of thing you’re suggesting as a precondition to other enforcement.

      a totally bogus comment from Natch and this reply will prolly get ignored like she did the last time I explained this wasting my time on it.

      1. Again, she has a series of macros. The same blocs of text appear over and over, the same jamming, the same lies. It’s almost as if she’s a bot.

      2. King Donald and his band of faithful disciples are probably just pissed off that there’s no way to blame brown people for COVID-19. In fact, there aren’t any reported cases in Mexico yet. Just one in Brazil, but they have had Carnivale there since the weekend, with travelers from all over the world who will be returning home, so that’s not good.

        Here’s the truth: if there were no jobs here, illegal immigration would dry up. How to eliminate the incentive for illegals to come here? Enforce the laws prohibiting hiring of illegals. Punish employers, starting with heavy fines, and then proceeding with incarceration. They know they are breaking the law, but hiring illegals helps the bottom line because: they are less likely to demand overtime pay, to file workers comp cases, to file sexual harassment cases, or to complain about unsafe working conditions. There are means to immediately vet a fake SSN, but what the employers usually do is hire them, send in the quarterly tax form, receive a “no-match” letter, which invites the employer to recheck that he or she didn’t make a typo, more delays, so they buy time. Do you really think all of the hotel chains, restaurants, housekeeping services, lawn and garden care and nonunion construction don’t know they are hiring illegals?

        And, no, staying at a hotel that employs illegals, buying tacos from a truck that hires illegals, or using any other service that hires illegals isn’t the same as “employing” illegals. It’s so much easier to blame the illegals than those who hire them, plus it feeds into the racism and xenophobia that Trump encourages.

  8. Imagine that – sanctuary cities harboring criminal trespassers on the soil of the United States will now have to follow United States law. What a concept.

  9. We had a similar civil dispute which evolved into the civil war. Sanctuary cities need to go to hell in a handbasket.

  10. This may also help financially ruin some of the “woke” cities.

    “House Bill 1551, introduced by Democratic Representative Laurie Jenkins, would reduce the punishment for intentional partner-to-partner transmission of HIV from a felony to a misdemeanor. It would also allow minors ages 14 years and older to receive medical treatment for STDs without parental consent.”

    This bill is supposed to pass, and yes, you are reading it correctly – if you INTENTIONALLY give someone HIV, it will only be a misdemeanor. Because. Stigma.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

  11. It was a clear case that was muddled and frustrated by the woke Obama judiciary. Hopefully, the secessionist cities involved will heed the shot over the bow: “the states have no power, by taxation or otherwise, to retard, impede, burden, or in any manner control, the operations of the constitutional laws enacted by congress to carry into execution the powers vested in the general government.” McCulloch v. Maryland, 17 U.S. 316, 436 (1819).” You can see why the wokesters were confused; it’s only been the law for 201 years. To them, history began in 1964.

    1. Why has Trump Failed to completely shut the borders down?

      Is the Wuhan Corona Virus fake or is it real?

      If it’s a real threat & the latest spread rate is close to correct Trump’s failure to close all the borders will likely mean the US will be overwhelmed close to as bad as China is now.

      2 days ago one the reports I was hearing was that China now has 700000000 million people under quarantine.

      China & elsewhere are sensoring/turning off news outlets that won’t go along with the official version. This could happen here in the US any day now.

      Anyway, by the time most people hear the US official story it’ll likely be to late for them to react & they could be stuck right where they are at.

    2. Yes, but the Supreme Court has also held that the federal government may not withhold funds in order to compel a state government to enforce a federal statute. Prinz V United States, 521 US 898 (1997). Doing so violates the Tenth Amendment. How did the Second Circuit circumvent this?

      1. Probably because Prinz isn’t on point. Aiding and abetting illegal immigration into the United States is a distinct act from failing to enforce a Federal statute – it is a wilful violation of Federal law.

        If withholding Federal funds from sanctuary cities is inappropriate it’s because it doesn’t go far enough. Encouraging violators of Federal law to continue doing so is a crime, and those who commit that crime ought to stand criminal trial.

        But through the 1950s-1970s, Federal funds have been withheld from de facto segregated school systems, and Federal judges ordered US marshals and Federalized troops to help enforce integration of public schools when local authorities wouldn’t do so. Liberals had no issue with that, at the time.

      2. Becaus Prinz didn’t say the states could frustrate a federal statute or federal function run by the feds. Hiding illegals is precisely the latter. Come on. This isn’t a hard one legally. As a lawyer, you know that.

  12. “… Congress shall have the power to…establish a uniform rule of naturalization,…”

    The judicial branch has the power merely to assure that actions comport with the “manifest tenor” of the Constitution.

    The judicial branch has no power to legislate or modify legislation.

    Any action beyond that limited and restricted purview is unconstitutional and actionable usurpation of the power the legislative branch.

    People who speak English do not need “interpreters.”

    They’re judges not despots, tyrants and/or dictators.

    A nation of laws must vigorously impose law enforcement.

    Congress must impeach and convict members of the judicial branch who corruptly exceed constitutional parameters.

    Article 1, Section 8

    The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

    To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

    To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

    To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

    1. Illegal aliens are criminal foreign invaders who must be summarily deported.

      Elected officials of “sanctuary” cities and states must be prosecuted for subversion, insurrection and treason.

      1. That’s been done. The court ruled to take away their funding which means California supporting welfare at 34% of the total to feed illegals is on the chopping block.

    2. Couldn’t find ‘manifest tenor’ anywhere in The Constitution or it’s Amendments.

  13. Seems like an obviously correct decision likely to be upheld if it goes to the Supreme Court, which is also likely.

  14. Give California a chance to become part of Mexico (if Mexico would have it). Might as well make it official. Oh, and Mexico has a wall between itself and Guatemala. Maybe they can talk some sense into Californians.

      1. To answer both it was tried and Mexico Refused as they couldn’t afford the water bill. So ixnay on solutions that involve violating our Constitution. No taking away land from California or declaring them bankrupt and putting them under control of a federal bankruptcy judge is more acceptable as soon as they get the federal level solvent.

      1. Been there done that tried that and it didn’t work because you need to make sure the SCOTUS first and the Circuit courts next are filled with Constitutionalists and not Marxist Leninist who think they have the power so one black uniformed Soros controlled rogue judge can dictate to the entire nation at the levels lower than SCOTUS

      2. Starting with Socialists of all three varieties? Easier to vote them out. They are not s majority by a long ways (National, International and Regressive Liberals)

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