Last night, many of us were digesting the highly disturbing documents released in the case of former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn. As I discussed this morning in a Hill column, the documents reveal an effort to entrap Flynn, including the use of a blatantly unconstitutional statute to achieve that “goal.” However, there appears far more than has not been released, according to various sources. The release of the Flynn documents highlight what Attorney General William Barr said on “The Ingraham Angle” on April 10th and stated that “far more troubling” material will be released as a result of the investigation of U.S. Attorney John Durham. I believe it is a mistake for Barr to give such foreshadowing interviews before the release of the Durham report. While I agree with Barr ordering these reviews (and his view of the evidence so far), these interviews only undermine the credibility and that of the eventual report. (For full disclosure, I testified in favor of Barr’s confirmation before the Senate Judiciary Committee). Putting that aside, the evidence strongly supports Barr’s effort to force the disclosure of material that has been buried despite the claims of full investigations by Congress and the Inspector General. Bizarrely, the media and many liberal commentators are struggling to ignore these troubling disclosures and the obvious abuses that they reflect within the Justice Department.
Barr stated that “My own view is that the evidence shows that we’re not dealing with just the mistakes or sloppiness.” He added “there was something far more troubling here. We’re going to get to the bottom of it. And if people broke the law and we can establish that with the evidence, they will be prosecuted.” Referring to the Russian investigation as “one of the greatest travesties in American history — without any basis,” he stated that the evidence shows “a whole pattern of events while he was president … to sabotage the presidency … or at least have the effect of sabotaging the presidency.”
Once again, I agree with Barr on the damning character of this evidence and what is emerging as the likely political purpose or bias behind decisions at the Justice Department at the start of the Trump Administration. Despite the rationalizations of media experts, this is one of the most thuggish records I have seen as a criminal defense attorney. This was not an effort to investigate a crime, it was an effort to create a crime. Flynn had not committed any crime in meeting with the Russian and the Logan Act is universally denounced as unenforceable and unconstitutional. So these top Justice officials were planning to create a crime for which Flynn might be prosecuted solely out of the desire to prosecute him or force him out of office.
The remarks do indicate that the Durham investigation is at an advanced stage. Many of us have heard that Durham was not satisfied with the Inspector General’s report and has found potentially criminal conduct.
As I stated today in the column, the Flynn material discloses additional evidence of a hostile intent to target key Trump aides, including the use of a law that is notoriously and presumptively unconstitutional. The material reflects a wild search for any ground upon which Flynn could be entrapped.
Barr be like; Well, I really can’t talk about it but you ain’t seen nothing yet. I’m standing here holding Durham’s beer peeking behind the curtains of justice! Wink, wink, nod, nod…
Barr foreshadowed the truth. I iddn’t see many people troubled by Comey, Mueller, and the previous Administration’s cabal foreshadowing lies???
Pardon Flynn and put him in charge of the fbi
According to the January 4 memo, the goal of CROSSFIRE RAZOR was to determine whether Flynn “was directed and controlled by” or “coordinated activities with the Russian Federation in a manner which is a threat to the national security” of the United States or a violation of federal foreign agent laws.
In pursuit of information on Flynn, the “Crossfire Hurricane” team investigating the Trump team “conducted a check of logical databases for any derogatory information” on Flynn. The January 4 FBI report states that “no derogatory information was identified in FBI holdings.”
The memo also discusses additional FBI efforts to check information on Flynn, apparently through other US agencies. Just like the FBI, they also found “no derogatory information” on Flynn.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/strzok-stopped-bureau-from-ending-flynn-probe-despite-lack-of-derogatory-evidence-unsealed-documents-reveal
After J Edgar left this earth, there was an FBI head appointed that supposedly put in place measures to ensure his abuses never happened again – what happened in the mean time?
Obama happened.
The Obama’s of the world were always going to happen. Government is always going to be whatever the people ignorantly allow. This has been knowable since the beginning. That is the known variable in our great experiment that our constitution was intended to control. The other known variable has nothing in place to control it. The People are not compelled to be civically literate, active or self-reliant. We are on exactly the same trajectory as our founding generation was pre-independence. We have a chance to do this peacefully, but I have my doubts.
what happened in the mean time?
Thank you for the question Anonymous. This experiment in self-government has a weak link that has been there since our founding. The People themselves. If the people become ignorant and apathetic to how our government should function, then we effectively transfer whatever power and control we have to the state. Then the state bribes the people with their own money and creates a dependent culture. Government will eventually move too quickly and get caught abusing power. Corrections appear to be made and the people go back to sleep. Wash, rinse, repeat. If we don’t deal with the root cause, we will eventually wake up and find ourselves without the power for peaceful change.
As I said before more than once, a person or persons will be charged with violation or violations of the law or laws by U.S. Attorney John Durham or another U.S. Attorney or not. Time will tell.
If not, then the result will be at best, a so-called Human Resources investigation. No doubt this will, correction has, and will continue to a great deal of meaningless blather for the political oligarchy and those who continue to imagine there are two political parties.
Words, words, words …
Talking is easy; doing is hard. Action is truth.
There will be action or there won’t. Which is to say: There will be criminal charges or there won’t.
In the meantime, words, words, words on, and on and on …
dennis hanna
It’s not words, words, words that bear.
It’s Deep Deep State orders, Deep Deep State orders, Deep Deep State orders that matter.
I will disagree with you on that stance. There is always a long delay in coming to the point of actual indictments and trials. The investigations are long and tedious in order to stay within the law. Takes time to get cases together to present to a Federal Grand Jury and for them to hear evidence and issue indictments. Then the charges and eventually trials. It takes a long time and its very precise and picky detailed work. I believe that everyone who participated in this HORRIBLE deed will be brought to trial. It is a horrible mark on our Justice system, the FBI and others which we trust to keep us safe!
Revisiting an old article:
“We know Michael Flynn lied to the FBI. But why?”
“Speculation abounds over Michael Flynn’s motives for deceiving federal agents. One analyst suggests that the best explanation is usually the simplest one.”
https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2018/1217/We-know-Michael-Flynn-lied-to-the-FBI.-But-why
https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/breaking-fbi-notes-detail-effort-catch-flynn-lie-get-him
For full article and documentation.
FBI notes detail effort to catch Flynn in lie to ‘get him fired’ as Trump adviser
‘What is our goal? Truth/Admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?’
By John Solomon
April 29, 2020 – 8:32pm
A senior FBI official’s handwritten notes from the earliest days of the Trump administration expressed concern that the bureau might be “playing games” with a counterintelligence interview of then-National Security Adviser Michael Flynn to get him to lie so “we could prosecute him or get him fired.”
The notes and other emails were provided to Flynn’s lawyers under seal last week and released Wednesday night by court order, providing the most damning evidence to date of potential politicalization and misconduct inside the FBI during the Russia probe.
The notes show FBI officials discussed not providing Flynn a Miranda-like warning before his January 2017 interview — a practice normally followed in such interviews — so that he could be charged with a crime if he misled the agents, the officials said.
Continued with documentation at site above.
Solomon is not a reliable source hence your stupidity; read some facts and stop embarrassing yourself
You sound like a demonrat that is upset because the truth is going to come out!! Any real patriot who cares about this country should admire people like John and Tom Fitton (Judicial Watch)!!! These men have done more to expose this BS than all the republicans in Congress!!!
Tony – Solomon is not a reliable source because? Is he a better or worse source than the NYT? And specifically why?
YNOT, that is why you are considered dumb. You don’t have to believe Solomon. You can go right to the FBI documents that Solomon includes next to what he writes. It’s too long here but the FBI found Flynn innocent.
“The absence of any derogatory information or lead information from these logical sources reduce the number of investigative avenues and techniques to pursue. Per the direction of FBI management, Crossfire Razor was not interviewed as part of the case closing procedure. The FBI is closing this investigation,” and closed the case which was reopened for political reasons.
SEE FBI DOCUMENTS: https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2020-04/FBIFlynnCaseCloseMemo.pdf
Of course there is reams more to show how foolish YNOT and people like him are.
“What is our goal? Truth/Admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?,” the handwritten notes of the senior official say. The notes express further concern the FBI might be “playing games.”
Multiple officials confirmed to Just the News that the author of the notes is William Priestap, the now-retired FBI Assistant Director for Counterintelligence and the ultimate supervisor for fired agent Peter Strzok, who led the Russia probe.
You can download and read the notes right here.
https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2020-04/FlynnFBINotes.pdf
Anyone wishing to see copies of the original FBI notes can go to:
https://justthenews.com
From there look at Solomon’s articles and within the article he will provide an http to the original documents.
YNOT can continue to say what he wishes but it is stupid to criticize a writer when he provides direct proof along with his comments.
Solomon is one of the very few investigative newspersons that exist in this country.
Blog comments: On some popular blogs and news sites that have comments enabled, you can sometimes find trolls cursing, name-calling and just causing trouble for the heck of it. This is particularly true for blogs that cover controversial topics or for the ones that tend to rack up a lot of comments from people who want to share their opinions with the world.
Have you ever seen YNOT contribute anything resembling an argument? He is the very definition of an internet troll. Treat him accordingly.
Olly of course he is a troll and stupid as well. My responses to these people have less to do with them than with others.
YNOT provides a comment that Solomon is dishonest. Others look at the comment and other stuff they read. Since they like YNOT’s unstated political position and the rest of the stuff they get it into their head that Solomon is dishonest. We have heard that here from numerous trolls.
The truth is the opposite. Solomon relies on proof and that is what I showed to anyone that might think YNOT is a thinking person. YNOT will continue his ways no matter what because essentially YNOT is dumb. Some of the more silent ones that are interested might read the FBI transcripts and find that Solomon is telling the truth and is one of the few investigative journalists left. If that happens then I owe thanks to the dumbness of YNOT.
YNOT, Solomon was exposed as a Guliani operative while masquerading as a journalist based on emails from him that Parnas released. He’s done.
Another troll who has gone by so many aliases I can’t remember all of them. Solomon was never exposed as anything but a good investigative reporter. It is true that the left hates Solomon’s guts because Solomon unlike the trolls here and all over the media provides the actual data that leads to his decisions. While one is reading Solomon’s articles one can read the actual FBI reports to check on Solomon’s veracity. That is what constitutes a true investigative reporter.
Among other things, Solomon met regularly with the indicted Giuliani associate Lev Parnas and sent him columns for his pre-publication approval. He also regularly cited 2 Giuliani associated right wing attorneys – Toenseng and DeGenova – as sources without noting they were also his personal attorneys.
“John Solomon, the former opinion writer at The Hill whose columns were seen as a central part of a smear campaign against former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch, failed to identify “important details” about his sources — including that they were under investigation or indictment and were even his attorneys, according to a review of his work by his former colleagues.
In its review of 14 columns, The Hill’s news team said serious doubts about the credibility of Solomon’s Ukrainian sources were evident even before his interviews with them. Those include, most notably, two former Ukrainian prosecutors — Yuriy Lutsenko and Victor Shokin — who were the principal sources behind unsupported allegations of corruption by former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter.
“In certain columns, Solomon failed to identify important details about key Ukrainian sources, including the fact that they had been indicted or were under investigation. In other cases, the sources were his own attorneys,” The Hill concluded.
The Hill also raised questions — which it says remain unanswered — about Solomon’s relationships with President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani and his associate Lev Parnas, who were central figures driving the suggestion of wrongdoing by the Bidens in Ukraine. Though Solomon has claimed he relied on Parnas as a “facilitator” to connect him with sources in Ukraine, Hill staff said the communications uncovered in the House impeachment investigation pointed to deeper ties.
“The true nature and extent of Parnas’s role in Solomon’s work remain unclear but potentially troubling,” they wrote. “While Solomon has insisted that Parnas was simply facilitating contacts or arranging interviews in his native Ukraine, the number of alleged contacts or apparent references to Solomon in emails, text messages and other materials released by Parnas to congressional investigators raises questions about his involvement.”…
The network of Trump associates entangled in the Ukraine scandal also includes Joseph DiGenova and Victoria Toensing, husband and wife attorneys and allies of Trump whom Solomon quoted sporadically over the years on matters related to Ukraine. DiGenova and Toensing also represent Dmitry Firtash, a Ukrainian oligarch with Russian ties who is fighting extradition to the United States on conspiracy and bribery charges. The Hill indicated that Solomon, in his columns quoting Toensing, failed to disclose that the pair also represented him.
“As part of this review, The Hill is adding disclosures — to Solomon’s news stories, opinion columns, and relevant Hill.TV appearances — that should have been made at the time of publication,” the publication wrote.
The Hill found that it failed in part by permitting Solomon to engage in work that had the appearance of investigative journalism despite being labeled as “opinion,” a distinction that readers may have found confusing and that Solomon’s boosters routinely blurred or ignored. The publication also notes that Solomon, who left the publication to start a media company, continues to stand by his work.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/19/hill-john-solomon-failed-disclose-details-115976
When doing investigative reporting one must speak to as many people as possible that are involved whether those people are good or bad. All evidence is put together leading to a story. In Solomon’s case on Russia, Flynn, Ukraine and elsewhere that I have read he has actually provided the documentation to show the reader how and why he came to his conclusions. He is not a partisan even though the dishonesty of the left makes him appear that way to one that is unable to look at the proof and gets angry when proof is provided so instead of thinking that person closes his eyes.
In Flynn’s case Solomon doesn’t even have to write the column. It is written by the FBI with some of it in their own hand. Names and dates exist except where the FBI has blacked them out.
The Hill is not known for their investigative reporting. If they were there would be one or a couple of investigators investigating Solomon with names and dates along with proof. They don’t exist in your reply which isn’t even from the Hill. Instead you provided a lot of quotes restating prior political positions held by members of the Hill that were never verified either. Take note of the lack of proof the hit pieces contain, ‘unanswered questions, unclear, innuendo’ because these are political rather than real news otherwise they would have stated directly what their proof was.
That is something the Hill never did in their statements about Solomon. Politico didn’t do so either. On the other hand Solomon provides the FBI records to document most of the points he has been making about Flynn. The documentation stands alone proving Solomon correct. The idea behind him not being an honest reporter is trash which is basically what you write each and every day,
What you have provided is proof using innuendo. That is known is known as spin. I await your reply with proof, names, dates, and documents.
Allan,
That’s a good post and a complete waste of time for an ideologue like book. The fact Solomon’s investigative reporting includes the FBI/Justice Department’s own words of course makes the conclusion self-evident. However to the likes of book, anything that undermines their truth must somehow be discredited. And with the facts/evidence Solomon provides, the only remaining area of attack is the journalist himself.
There is a real sickness in this country that makes Covid-19 pale in comparison. We need to conduct a root-cause analysis and identify what would make civilized human beings supportive and/or apathetic to an abusive government. Then, we need constitutional amendments to eliminate their existence.
Thanks Olly, we have known this character since his days of Jan F. where he lied and then hid himself under another alias and has done so numerous times since. When he is challenged especially by a presumed female and left with no response we have seen him become abusive.
Being a liar, arrogant and abusive doesn’t lend oneself to fair interpretation of facts. He is a waste of time but a vehicle to demonstrate the stupidigy out there.
As I recall we had to read terrorist war prisoners
their miranda rights in Afganistan under Obama and Holder, yet we are not compelled to do it for an Amercian three Star General. Ah the liberals view of things. It what is politically expedient for them not lawful. Its all okay including none of them “believe her” when they spent months touting the believability of Blasey Ford. Such hupocrisy.
It’s all about power. Read some of Paint Chips’ (Seth Warner) comments where he expresses glee that Americans are dying from a virus, losing jobs, and having their families destroyed because that will end the country the way we know it and bring on Socialism/ Communism. His mind is twisted so it reflects a lot that comes from the left. On the topic of Reade and Ford he says Ford should be believed because she has money, a profession and a husband who is a professional. Reade shouldn’t be believed because she led a quiet life and he couldn’t find too much about her. Paint Chips has the Liberal view of the left and can be likened to a Stalin or a Mao except for the fact that Paint Chips doesn’t know what he is talking about and has no grasp of political science or history.
Flynn had to know that he should not have answered any questions without having an attorney by his side.
I just think that Flynn thought this was so legally insignificant that he just couldn’t imagine anything like this.
Having said that, there is something off-putting about a General getting suckered like this. I believe he said when they got there: “Why are you guys even here?” Or something to that effect. That’s overly obvious observation.
Then they start asking him questions for which he must know they have the tape. Do you need crystal ball to see this was a fishing expedition without foundation?
It should be a lesson to everyone to **always** have a lawyer present; one should never answer questions without a lawyer by one’s side, when being questioned by law enforcment.
so next time you are stopped for speeding, say nothing and wait for your lawyer to show up…..
apples and oranges
just a silly response
To my way of thinking, General Flynn is honest, and was expecting a US investigation to be honest. He had every righ to expect honor. He failed to understand the depravity of Obama and company- Jarrett at the top and all below.
“FBI notes detail effort to catch Flynn in lie to ‘get him fired’ as Trump adviser
‘What is our goal? Truth/Admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?'”
Some of those notes detail how Flynn did not know he was being interrogated with discussions on how to deal with Flynn so he wouldn’t have an attorney. People in government speak to different agencies all the time and nothing Flynn said was a lie. It was a matter of the way the question was asked and why. The FBI knew “their answer” and they could have asked Flynn if what they knew was correct and he would have answered yes knowing it was of no significance and had no adverse affect on Flynn or anyone else and was something that was expected.
“…nothing Flynn said was a lie”
Then what was the problem?
You had an FBI that lied.
I sent the places where you could read the answers and see the proof in the FBI’s own words.
He asked if he needed a lawyer present, they (FBI) said no you don’t need one this is just an informal get together.
Never, ever, talk to the police.
Especially, the FBI or any other ABC agency.
+100
not if he was not Marandized first
Solomon documents his findings and embeds the documents as an http that can be linked to when reading the article on the net. http at end.
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By John Solomon
April 30, 2020 – 3:17pm
Evidence withheld for years from Michael Flynn’s defense team shows the FBI found “no derogatory” Russia evidence against the former Trump National Security Adviser and that counterintelligence agents had recommended closing down the case with a defensive briefing before the bureau’s leadership intervened in January 2017.
The recommendation to close the case came 16 days before President Trump took office with plans to have Flynn serve as his National Security Adviser, and after agents had found no incriminating evidence by sweeping counterintelligence files and talking to confidential human sources, the memos show.
Flynn was given a codename of “Crossfire Razor” during the probe, an apparent spinoff from the larger Russia collusion case known as Crossfire Hurricane.
“The absence of any derogatory information or lead information from these logical sources reduce the number of investigative avenues and techniques to pursue. Per the direction of FBI management, Crossfire Razor was not interviewed as part of the case closing procedure. The FBI is closing this investigation,” the agent wrote on Jan. 4, 2017.
Continued: https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/fbi-found-no-derogatory-russia-evidence-flynn-planned?utm_source=breaking-newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter
The trolls on here spit and howl much fluff and stuff, but little to no substance.
Trump is losing in the polls,
Hillary, sweetie, you are still carrying that butt hurt. Lysol injections might be your best next step
Americans continue to die of COVID19,
Biden will let China take over our nursing homes ala Andrew Cuomo.
Relax, you are not over 70 years of age….
“Trolls” What does that make you?
Wow, Turley. So much fluff and stuff, but little to no substance. Trump is losing in the polls, Americans continue to die of COVID19, Trump continues to make an ass of himself, so it’s time to juice up the disciples by throwing them a little red meat. Despite the bluster and rhetoric, there remains these truths: Flynn DID lie about discussing sanctions against Russia with Kislyak, regardless of whether it was or wasn’t illegal to meet and speak with the Russians, LYING is illegal, and he LIED. No one railroaded him into lying. He pleaded guilty, and always counted on a pardon from Trump. He doesn’t get a free pass regardless of the alleged motivations of the prosecutors..
Next, there is the Logan Act, which is a valid US law dating back to 1799, “which makes it a crime for a citizen to intervene in disputes between the United States and foreign governments.” Turley says:
“It has never been used to convict a citizen and is widely viewed as flagrantly unconstitutional.” Viewed by whom? Pro-Trumpsters like you? It IS the law, and Turley’s opinion does not make it unconstitutional.
dont worry Natch Biden is so demented that it’s almost a lock Hillary gets another bite at the apple
This is made for the un-candidate. Hillary won’t have to withstand the rigors of a years-long campaign. She will have a much better chance of making it up the stairs and remaining conscious if the campaign lasts only a few weeks and she retains an excuse to stay home.
um Natch use your brain and constitutional training]
the Logan act arguably does run counter to the 1st amendment. you can figure out why, it’s not that much of stretch
Turley is on record about that going ways back and other people have that opinion too
you just love bashing Professor, is that why you come? sad
Then in that case Kerry violated the Logan Act twice. 1971 in Paris, and again in 2018
https://nypost.com/2018/09/12/kerry-admits-to-meeting-iranian-officials-over-nuclear-deal/
Logan Act? Then most of the Democrats should be in jail already
He asked if he needed a lawyer present, they (FBI) said no you don’t need one this is just an informal get together. Logan Act does not apply, Flynn was part of an incoming Adminstration with security clearance, unlike ex-administration official Kerry vis-a-vis his Iran meddling
Flynn ‘Perjury Trap’ Not All It’s Cracked Up To Be
But just how truly damning are the new documents?
First, let’s walk through what they show. Basically, they indicate there was an internal debate about whether to present Flynn with evidence against him in that Jan. 24, 2017, interview. Exactly what type of evidence is redacted, but it seems logical to believe it was transcripts of Flynn’s December 2016 phone calls with then-Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak, which is what Flynn later pleaded guilty to lying about.
On calls, Flynn and Kislyak discussed sanctions that the Obama administration had just imposed on Russia for its 2016 election interference. This risked running afoul of the Logan Act, which prohibits private citizens from conducting diplomacy on behalf of the United States. Flynn was due to be Trump’s national security adviser, but this was during the transition period between Trump’s election and inauguration, so he wasn’t yet a government official.
In the handwritten notes from an unidentified official, that official indicates being previously opposed to showing Flynn the evidence but rethinking that decision.
“I agreed yesterday that we shouldn’t show Flynn [redacted] if he didn’t admit,” the official says. “I thought [about] it last night, [and] I believe we should rethink this.”
The official goes on: “What’s our argument? Truth/Admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?”
That right there is what Flynn’s defenders are labeling the long-suggested “perjury trap” — i.e. the idea that the officials entrapped Flynn into lying.
But it’s worth looking at the timeline here and what else the official said in those handwritten notes.
The official goes on to suggest that not showing Flynn the evidence would make the White House “furious” because it would be viewed as “playing games.”
“We regularly show subjects evidence, with the goal of getting them to admit their wrongdoing,” the official says. “I don’t see how getting someone to admit their wrongdoing is going easy on them.”
What the documents make clear — which we’ve previously known — is that the FBI believed it had strong evidence against Flynn going into the interview. This official apparently believed the evidence to be so strong that either Flynn would admit to his wrongdoing or be forced to lie about it. But either way, the case could be referred to the Justice Department for prosecution.
The term “perjury trap” has been thrown around a lot — often carelessly. In this case, though, it didn’t seem to be a matter of actually tricking Flynn into lying, but rather giving him a choice between admitting what the FBI already believed it could prove and letting him lie about it. This official believed not showing him the evidence and choosing the latter course would make the Trump White House “furious.”
And here’s the important point: The official had very good reason to believe Flynn would lie about this … because he already had.
On Jan. 12, 2017 — 12 days before the Flynn interview — The Washington Post’s David Ignatius first reported the contact between Flynn and Kislyak and raised the prospect of a Logan Act violation. The next day, Jan. 13, incoming White House press secretary Sean Spicer denied Flynn had discussed sanctions with Kislyak, saying they had just discussed a meeting between Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin. “That was it, plain and simple,” Spicer said.
Edited From: “The Michael Flynn Revelations: Bombshell Or Business As Usual”
Today’s Washington Post
Please stop the “Stay At Home” order. I took the time to read all the comments and this one has got some comedy mixed in with a little intelligence to show such bias, it is almost as if someone from Russia actually hacked in to comment.
Edited from WaPo. Trusting, quoting and editing something from the Post’s opinion writer…. savy or is that just all you can come up with?
Yes. If you are new here, that is pretty much some of the DNC shills here do. Post opinions and fake news from DNC talking points. They do not seem to be capable of independent thought or analysis. They have confused spin with Reality, and they do it all day long.
Like the Little Boy Who Cried Wolf, they have done it thousands of times and most people here just glide over it because it is always the same old DNC bullsh*t. I suspect some of them are paid to be here, to interfere with thoughtful analysis. Because that is the last thing they want.
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
So for perspective on the qualifications of commentators: “Squeeky” claims she is employed as an “assistant” convenience store manager, somewhere in the deep South. Some of us are college-educated, and several are lawyers, myself included. Just FYI for perspective when this person deigns herself qualified to criticize others on the grounds that they are incapable of independent thought and analysis, and when she accuses us of being paid trolls.
“Some of us are college-educated, and several are lawyers, myself included. ”
For many it’s been a big waste of money.
Some of us are college-educated, and several are lawyers, myself included.
Well that’s embarrassing. an alleged assistant convenience store operator is running circles around you and others..
Well done Squeeky!
I know I shouldn’t, but: her “running circles around” me and others includes calling black children “pickanninies”, she claims that she can identify gay men because they smell of feces due to anal sex, she insults black women for having children out of wedlock, and the list of her ignoramus comments goes on. Those are just the ones that come to mind immediately. But, like their hero, Trumpsters need affirmation.
NUTCHACHA, you’re not so much a lawyer as you are a beneficiary of Generational Welfare and Affirmative Action Privilege funded with other people’s money. It’s inconceivable, $22 trillion has been spent on the Great Society since 1965. You’re deficient. Given that level of expenditure, you should not have to suffer the embarrassment of a lawyer’s status, you should have been crowned “Queenie” by now.
Roberts is a lawyer as well….but seems to make judgements 180 to what the Constitution mandates. Being educated does not impart wisdom
pa I – wisdom is knowledge plus experience. Experience comes from learning from your mistakes.
as long as your experience is not fatal. Wisdom is making the right choices, despite contra-indications from more “knowledgeable experts”. Sounds like how Trump operates.
Yeah, I learned big time from a few of my mistakes. I would like to do overs…but life is linear, so we all move forward. 😜
WW33 – speaking of mistakes, how is your injury?
Lol, waiting on Xray results. Tomorrow will call the Doc at Urgent care to see what is up. I don’t have a primary. I know, I know…shame on me. I will get a primary now, after this incident.
I was looking at bone structure in foot. It is probably the Avulsion if anything.
I saw this funny SNL skit with Adam Sandler limping around, I said Haha…thats me.
Thanks for asking, Paul. 😄
@1:30 or so…
WW33 – they usually read those x-rays right away, so the urgent care may have it now and they are still open.
Be sure to get a primary with a good rating and who is close.
Good luck. 🙂
against an organized crime figure maybe business as usual, usual bag of dirty tricks
against a 3 star general, a patriot, about a matter which was in itself, a lawful diplomatic contact?
DEFINITELY A BOMBSHELL
If the FBI knew what was discussed, why ask? If the FBI was going to charge him with a Logan Act violation, why didn’t they? What about Miranda?
you mentioned redacted, so you really don’t know? Besides Flynn WAS part of an incoming administration, with security clearance, so you, as was the FBI, are splitting hairs, very fine ones at that. Your post amounts to biased speculation at best.
You have a shallow understanding of the Logan Act and its intent. Are you suggesting that an incoming admin not engage until after Inauguration Day? Plus, if you were citing Ignatius as a preferred reference source, understand the information was deliberately given to him to disseminate. You need to be a more profound thinker than your current abilities. For historical purposes, and I will not do your homework for you, all incoming admin speak with foreign governments.
Why isn’t Christopher Wray a celebrated “Whistleblower?”
The 7th Floor is totally corrupt, in my opinion.
Christopher Wray spent his life on the 7th Floor.
Most of that level has been removed, retired or prosecuted for acts of corruption such as the gestapo tactics used against General Flynn, which are only now being revealed.
Christopher Wray is either incurably dense and oblivious or he should have blown the whistle on the FBI’s involvement and the greater
Obama Coup D’etat in America.
Christopher Wray was ensconced by the Deep Deep State because Christopher Wray is a functionary of the Deep Deep State.
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“We will stop him.”
– Peter Strzok to his FBI paramour, Lisa Page
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“POTUS wants to know everything we’re doing.”
Lisa Page to her FBI paramour, Peter Strzok
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The Obama Coup D’etat in America is the most egregious abuse of power and the most prodigious scandal in American political history.
The co-conspirators are:
Bill Taylor, Eric Ciaramella, Rosenstein, Mueller/Team, Andrew Weissmann,
Comey, Christopher Wray, McCabe, Strozk, Page, Laycock, Kadzic, Yates,
Baker, Bruce Ohr, Nellie Ohr, Priestap, Kortan, Campbell, Sir Richard Dearlove,
Steele, Simpson, Joseph Mifsud, Alexander Downer, Stefan “The Walrus” Halper,
Azra Turk, Kerry, Hillary, Huma, Mills, Brennan, Gina Haspel, Clapper, Lerner,
Farkas, Power, Lynch, Rice, Jarrett, Holder, Brazile, Sessions (patsy),
Nadler, Schiff, Pelosi, Obama, James E. Boasberg et al.
I’ve been watching people with political power dodge responsibility for nearly my entire life starting with Ted Kennedy killing Mary Jo through his negligence. I’m sad to have concluded, based on 50 years of precedent, NOTHING is going to happen and no one will be held to account.
Politics is the new religion of Americans. How is that working?
Not really. There’s nothing of the transcendent in these discussions. The discussions aren’t symmetrical, either. If they were, a better analogy might be Byzantium’s Blues and Greens.
And you know how Justinian dealt with their mischief and attempt to elevate a usurper, right?
He slaughtered 10,000 of them, caught inside their favorite place the Hippodrome
Justinian, lawgiver, one of the greatest Emperors, and his wife, Theodora of the Brothel
That Americans have adopted politics as their new religion isn’t entirely new
”Andrew Sullivan: America’s New Religions”
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/12/andrew-sullivan-americas-new-religions.html
Steven – Bingo.
Same law, different rules — a quote by me.
The system is flawed. Hah. The system is warped.
Christopher Wray lost all credibility before this incident when he said white supremacist groups were the biggest threat they were looking at.
We have an example of that when they ‘infiltrated’ the Hutaree Militia and brought absurd charges against them that were thrown out of court. Basically a bunch of beer drinkers sitting in the woods and telling tall tales. Bet the agent tried sooo hard to get them to actually do something wrong.
No wonder these people missed 9-11, the Boston Marathon, the Orlando night club, Ft. Hood, San Bernardino, and many others. Inspector Closeau trained by the Stasi and taught ethics courtesy of the Gestapo Handbook.
Wray was behind a great deal of noncompliance with subpoenas. No clue why he’s been kept in place.
We’ve known for 25 years that the FBI would countenance abusive and bumbling behavior (Ruby Ridge, Waco). We’ve known for the same amount of time that the CIA will promote (multiple times) a mediocre employee living beyond his means (see Aldrich Ames). These agencies need a refoundation.
Pardon Flynn and put him in charge of the fbi
Given the fact that anything Trump touches is failure and that it dies, the question has to be, why is Turley running PR for Trump and Flynn? Did Trump promise Turley that he would be the “Senior Legal Contributor” on Trump TV after November 2020?
Given the fact that anything Trump touches is failure and that it dies, the question has to be, why is Turley running PR for Trump and Flynn?
After 3+ years of of using sources that have been proven wrong, normal people consider the possibility what they thought was trusted sources providing facts, may not be trustworthy or facts after all. That’s your challenge FishWings. Although Turley leans ideologically liberal, he has proven to be a very objective critic of issues related to the rule of law. If you perceive him as running PR on legal issues, you’re being willfully ignorant of reality.
“Given the fact that anything Trump touches is failure and that it dies…”
Fishy, that ain’t no “fact”….it’s whatcha call a hyperbolic “opinion”…..doofus….
TDS
Fishy is funny. Turley is concerned about Flynn because he was convicted based on the wrongdoing of members of our FBI. Fish do you mean to say that you know nothing about all this? How can that be? The FBI records are out and more are coming and Flynn will be free.
Why haven’t you heard all this?
I wish I could fail as much as Trump does….I could use a mansion or two, private jet, golf course or two, rub a reals estate empire and be the most poweful leader that brings a country back from dismal failure, despite overwhelming odds, yep I want to “fail” just like that.
Not expecting too much from Durham, in part because his history as far as I can tell is to be verrrry circumspect about bringing charges against government officials and in part because he’s dealing with a mess of government officials, many of them lawyers, who are practiced at seeing to it that their skulduggery is not flatly illegal.
Still, one thing the last seven years have told us is that every aspect of federal law enforcement is untrustworthy. We might be able to rearrange the deck chairs and get better results, but Congress is seldom creative in that way, and if they do re-arrange the deck chairs, it will likely be in the service of one bureaucratic constituency or another, because that’s how the Capitol Hill nexus rolls. Fundamentally, the problem is our rancid political culture. Note, noodle around with the FEC database and you can see who gets campaign contributions from the employees of particular public bureaucracies. The bureaucratic miasma comes from one direction only.
“Not expecting too much from Durham, in part because his history as far as I can tell is to be verrrry circumspect about bringing charges against government officials and in part because he’s dealing with a mess of government officials, many of them lawyers, who are practiced at seeing to it that their skulduggery is not flatly illegal.”
Agree. Unfortunately this will lead to widespread distrust of the law along with those who have abused the law to abuse it further and wider. We are heading in the direction of authoritarian rule though we have a temporary reprieve since the present President believes in federalism. That belief, however, I do not think undoes the damage done by the overreaction to Covid pushed onto the country.
LOL. This president doesn’t “believe” in federalism. It’s a safe bet he doesn’t even know what the word means. That Trump has been kept in a constitutional box is a testament to the occasional functioning of the American system, nothing more.
Brad, it’s funny how you say the President might not know what the word federalism means but he described it and acted upon it. You missed that so I guess the laughing is at you for not knowing what federalism is.
ROFLMAO
“…the overreaction to Covid pushed onto the country.”
We’ll see about that, down the road, when we’re able to look at the situation with clear eyes.
Tell it to Dr. Lorna Breen’s family. Lorna is no longer with us, though, so you’ll not be able to discuss it with her.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/er-doctor-who-died-suicide-was-untenable-situation-sister-says-n1195656
https://nypost.com/2020/04/29/mental-health-fund-named-in-honor-of-dr-lorna-breen/
“We’ll see about that, down the road, when we’re able to look at the situation with clear eyes.”
Only if real statisticians, researchers and epidemiologists look at what happened without a political agenda. I don’t know what Lorna Breen has to do with this discussion but if one looks at the economic well being of the world along side life span one notes a rise in lifespan when economies are better and a decrease in lifespan when economies are worse. I am sure you can provide good reasons for that to occur.
NY had a spike of ~3,000 Covid deaths in one day. They decided that a whole bunch of deaths were due to Covid after the fact without any special evaluation. There are incentives to raise the deaths higher than they actually are and in other quarters to lower them. I think the incentives to raise numbers win out. No doubt Covid kills and is dangerous. It’s just that some overdo the dangers to the disadvantage of society.
In NY one could possibly call some of the Covid deaths “negligent manslaughter” using Covid instead of a gun. If one wildly shot into a crowd of nursing home patients and wounded some of them some in their weakened state would likely die and it would be called manslaughter or homicide. Did Covid cause a number of the deaths or was it the stupidity of some in a Democratic run state and Covid was just a vehicle for disaster based on stupidigy. When people become hysterical they can do stupid things.
It’s easy to be an armchair critic. Ever been on the front lines?
Obviously, yes. But no matter what is said you will have your own opinion.The problem is that some of us know a good deal about a lot of these things and some of us don’t. It’s quite evident in the replies that each individual makes along with their understanding of numbers, disease, and a whole host of other things.
Those that know very little talk but say very little and they can’t respond in depth.
Allan says @ 7:19 PM:
“Obviously, yes.” — in response to being asked if he’s ever been on the front lines.
In what capacity, and during what crisis or war?
As for the rest of his comment? Talk is cheap. Very cheap.
Talk is cheap, very cheap. When it comes down to it one can only judge an alias by his name and what he says. You have a generic anonymous name that hides behind others. You say very little of meaning but you do make comments such as the one above. That type of comment is what we judge you by.
One can judge me by my use of one identifiable name and what I have written. Whether you are able to recognize it or not I have depth in my comments and you have none. The comparison between us is glaring though you can flippantly turn the phrase any way you wish. You are what you appear to be.
A whole lot of talk from Allan. And not much action is a pretty safe bet.
Yep, buddy: Talk is cheap.
Why do you bother with your inane talk? Why don’t you enter the discussion instead?
I and others have used the term Lawfare on this blog to describe how our FBI/IC and other agencies routinely abuse their authority. Maj. Gen. Charles J. Dunlap Jr. coined the term and wrote a paper on the topic back in 2001. Attached is a link to a primer on the topic. Of course the General wasn’t writing to describe the unlawful use of legal force against innocent people. But when you read this short paper, consider how Lawfare, in the hands of people ideologically motivated, could be used domestically to target political enemies.
Towards the end of the article, take note of a particular expert on Lawfare. His name should be recognizable as he is entwined in the whole Russian/Spygate scandal.
Fortunately, some useful work has been done with respect to specific challenges. For example, Stefan Halper’s 2013 paper—prepared for the Department of Defense’s Office of Net Assessments—provides useful ideas not only for the specific situation it addresses (China’s actions in the South China Sea) but also with real application to other lawfare situations.
https://scholarship.law.duke.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6434&context=faculty_scholarship
“lawfare” is an ancient idea and well known to lawyers before the word was coined.
And others as well. There are many references to the idea in this cunning 1999 book of geopolitical strategy by 2 Chicom PLA colonels.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare
“lawfare” is an ancient idea and well known to lawyers before the word was coined.
Oops, sorry Kurtz. And here I thought all your humble posturing in other posts was sincere. Who the f*ck cares where the idea originated? Damn!
Olly I didn’t mean to be a jerk, but you know, it’s hard to fight my inner nature. sorry
what’s interesting & ironic from your mention of stefan halper, is that he was colluding with the phony Russiagate lawfare. i didnt realize that when you mentioned him at first but i now looked him up. thanks
Thanks Kurtz. I believe we all have that same inner nature. I posted another link below from RCP regarding Stefan Halper.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/07/18/the_labyrinthine_ways_and_wages_of_stefan_halper_140809.html
Olly, this may be our future.
Allan, it’s been our past, is our present and will continue into the future. As Kurtz pointed out, it’s an ancient idea that his profession exploits. He must be so proud to have known about this and not call it out when it happens.
well, it’s happening all the time. it’s a major part of business strategy, in the wider sense
the reason i mentioned the Chinese work is that they consider it a special technique that Americans have perfected as a nation, against other nations. of course we are using it faction versus faction here all the time.
it may seem unjust and perhaps it is, but, nobody liked guns much when they took the field either, besides the musketeers
I’ve taken money from clients with legitimate beefs in lawsuits that had a wider view
to be honest any smart litigant should always have a wider view– what is the thing really worth?
if that’s not considered, then perhaps best to stay out of court, because is the candle worth the game?
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/the-game-is-not-worth-the-candle
More on that peach of a guy, Stefan Halper.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/07/18/the_labyrinthine_ways_and_wages_of_stefan_halper_140809.html
Well their headquarters is called the J. Edgar Hoover building. What do you expect?
SteveJ – I have a dog that operates as a Gestapo, or a Gangsta, close enough.
Bubble gum off the ground, spits it out when done; cigarettes in her mouth, have to chase her down, holding one out; retaliatory tactics all the time, if she doesn’t get what she wants. It’s rough, have to watch the gangsta like a hawk.
Jonathan, thank you for your comments. However, as Barr has stated, Durham is not preparing a report like Horowitz. He is conducting a criminal investigation. His “report” will be indictments, if he sees fit.
Barr has previously said there won’t be a Durham report per se, but more likely just indictments. As for Barr’s foreshadowing comments, I think Americans will be shocked to the core when they found out the true extent of this, so Barr is easing us into it.
No one will be shocked. Some of us paying attention will be dismayed. Partisan Democrats will rationalize.
still holding my breath on Durham and face turning purple
I have to agree with Jonathan and as much as I loatheTrump and all his henchmen it is clear that the system abused Flynn l am certain that as a criminal defense lawyer Jonathan knows that Brady violations are all too common in the broken justice system My prayers are with Jonathan and his family at this most difficult time
Zinny, Flynn met with the Russian ambassador in Dec 2016 and discussed easing the sanctions Obama had placed on them for their interference in our election to benefit his boss. He then lied about that meeting to during FBI questioning on it as part of an investigation into Trump campaign involvement with that Russian interference. Why exactly should we feel sorry for him?
well perhaps because it was a legitimate diplomatic conversation in the first place that’s why
and they tricked him into thinking he wasnt actually under investigation
its’ stupid and shortsighted stunts like this which deters regular people from talking to FBI at all.
the usual wise assumption is that you are ALWAYS under investigation
Flynn’s major mistake was being naive. the omission itself was innocuous.
It was traitorous selling of our election integrity to a foreign power. F… him.
F….him
Hillary did not have a gender reassignment did she? Or is she now a he? Story goes that when Bill was President he would not allow her to wear skirts to his Cabinet meetings since her ballz hanged lower than his. True!
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal
New York Thymes
Scooter Libby, Martha Stewart, Blogovich, Flynn, etc, etc.
Probably not safe even to discuss the weather with the FBI. And who knows what their 302s will say if they can remember where they put them so they don’t have to make new ones.
I don’t think it is even possible to salvage their reputation.
I wonder if federal juries will remember what deceitful, lying rodents they are?
Richard Jewell, Stephen Hatfill…
Yes! The list is long.
Don’t see many actual criminals and terrorists on it, though.
COINTELPRO…, and it’s modern-day equivalent — ruining more lives…
Correction:
its, not it’s
I don’t feel sorry for himHe was corrupt as hell taking $500000 from the Turkish Government and trying to kidnap a Moslem cleric and spirit him back to Turkey for his certain death I take some solace in the fact that he spent his ill gotten gain for attorney fees
Clearly,, as I have said before, bythebook is a total schmuck. And the best thing you can do with total schmucks is ignore them. Don’t react. Don’t comment. Just ignore. If nobody plays its game the sphincter will wither and die.
mofoknows:
Who? 😀