Below is my column in The Hill newspaper on the new evidence released in the case of Michael Flynn. As I said two years ago, it is unlikely the Judge Emmet Sullivan will dismiss this case regardless of such abuses, but he should. As we discussed, there has been a concerted effort by media and legal experts to shrug away these highly disturbing documents by saying that such abuses happen all the time. Journalist Ben Wittes, one of James Comey’s most vocal defenders, went even seemed to make such abuse of Flynn into a victory for racial justice:
“If you’re outraged by the FBI’s tactics with Flynn, keep in mind that they do these things every day against drug dealers, gang members, and terrorists. Except those people are black, Hispanic, and Middle Eastern—not “lock ‘er up” lily white.”
Many of us have spent our careers fighting such abuses for people who are not “lily white.” That does not excuse abuses of people There was a time when MSNBC, CNN, the Washington Post and other outlets were voices against such prosecutorial abuse. However, in this age of rage, even this record is dismissed as “routine” to avoid undermining a crushingly consistent narrative that the Russian investigation was based on real crimes, albeit collateral crimes. The “nothing to see here” coverage sacrifices both legal and journalistic values to to maintain a transparently biased narrative.
Here is the column:
Previously undisclosed documents in the case of former national security adviser Michael Flynn offer us a chilling blueprint on how top FBI officials not only sought to entrap the former White House aide but sought to do so on such blatantly unconstitutional and manufactured grounds.
These new documents further undermine the view of both the legitimacy and motivations of those investigations under former FBI director James Comey. For all of those who have long seen a concerted effort within the Justice Department to target the Trump administration, the fragments will read like a Dead Sea Scrolls version of a “deep state” conspiracy.
One note reflects discussions within the FBI shortly after the 2016 election on how to entrap Flynn in an interview concerning his conversations with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. According to Fox News, the note was written by the former FBI head of counterintelligence, Bill Priestap, after a meeting with Comey and his deputy director, Andrew McCabe.
The note states, “What is our goal? Truth and admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?” This may have expressed an honest question over the motivation behind this targeting of Flynn, a decision for which Comey later publicly took credit when he had told an audience that he decided he could “get away” with sending “a couple guys over” to the White House to set up Flynn and make the case.
The new documents also explore how the Justice Department could get Flynn to admit breaking the Logan Act, a law that dates back to from 1799 which makes it a crime for a citizen to intervene in disputes between the United States and foreign governments. It has never been used to convict a citizen and is widely viewed as flagrantly unconstitutional.
In his role as the national security adviser to the president elect, there was nothing illegal in Flynn meeting with Kislyak. To use this abusive law here was utterly absurd, although other figures such as former acting Attorney General Sally Yates also raised it. Nevertheless, the FBI had latched onto this abusive law to target the retired Army lieutenant general.
Another newly released document is an email from former FBI lawyer Lisa Page to former FBI special agent Peter Strzok, who played the leadership role in targeting Flynn. In the email, Page suggests that Flynn could be set up by making a passing reference to a federal law that criminalizes lies to federal investigators. She suggested to Strzok that “it would be an easy way to just casually slip that in.” So this effort was not about protecting national security or learning critical intelligence. It was about bagging Flynn for the case in the legal version of a canned trophy hunt.
It is also disturbing that this evidence was only recently disclosed by the Justice Department. When Flynn was pressured to plead guilty to a single count of lying to investigators, he was unaware such evidence existed and that the federal investigators who had interviewed him told their superiors they did not think that Flynn intentionally lied when he denied discussing sanctions against Russia with Kislyak. Special counsel Robert Mueller and his team changed all that and decided to bring the dubious charge. They drained Flynn financially then threatened to charge his son.
Flynn never denied the conversation and knew the FBI had a transcript of it. Indeed, President Trump publicly discussed a desire to reframe Russian relations and renegotiate such areas of tensions. But Flynn still ultimately pleaded guilty to the single false statement to federal investigators. This additional information magnifies the doubts over the case.
Various FBI officials also lied and acted in arguably criminal or unethical ways, but all escaped without charges. McCabe had a supervisory role in the Flynn prosecution. He was then later found by the Justice Department inspector general to have repeatedly lied to investigators. While his case was referred for criminal charges, McCabe was fired but never charged. Strzok was also fired for his misconduct in the investigation.
Comey intentionally leaked FBI material, including potentially classified information but was never charged. Another FBI agent responsible for the secret warrants used for the Russia investigation had falsified evidence to maintain the investigation. He is still not indicted. The disconnect of these cases with the treatment of Flynn is galling and grotesque.
Even the judge in the case has added to this disturbing record. As Flynn appeared before District Judge Emmet Sullivan for sentencing, Sullivan launched into him and said he could be charged with treason and with working as an unregistered agent on behalf of Turkey. Pointing to a flag behind him, Sullivan declared to Flynn, “You were an unregistered agent of a foreign country while serving as the national security adviser to the president of the United States. That undermines everything this flag over here stands for. Arguably, you sold your country out.”
Flynn was never charged with treason or with being a foreign agent. But when Sullivan menacingly asked if he wanted a sentence then and there, Flynn wisely passed. It is a record that truly shocks the conscience. While rare, it is still possible for the district court to right this wrong since Flynn has not been sentenced. The Justice Department can invite the court to use its inherent supervisory authority to right a wrong of its own making. That extraordinary admission is likely what it would take. As the Supreme Court made clear in 1932, “universal sense of justice” is a stake in such cases. It is the “duty of the court to stop the prosecution in the interest of the government itself to protect it from the illegal conduct of its officers and to preserve the purity of its courts.”
Flynn was a useful tool for everyone and everything but justice. Mueller had ignored the view of the investigators and coerced Flynn to plead to a crime he did not commit to gain damaging testimony against Trump and his associates that Flynn did not have. The media covered Flynn to report the flawed theory of Russia collusion and to foster the view that some sort of criminal conspiracy was being uncovered by Mueller. Even the federal judge used Flynn to rail against what he saw as a treasonous plot. What is left in the wake of the prosecution is an utter travesty of justice.
Justice demands a dismissal of his prosecution. But whatever the “goal” may have been in setting up Flynn, justice was not one of them.
Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University. You can find his updates online @JonathanTurley.
“Justice demands a dismissal of his prosecution. But whatever the “goal” may have been in setting up Flynn, justice was not one of them.”
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Oh the “goal”‘s no mystery. It’s a Dim coup. I’d round ’em up, hold Nuremberg style courts martial and mete whatever justice the military judges deems appropriate. I’m volunteering to help build the gallows.
Comey and Mueller are Republicans and the only coup either pulled was sabotaging Hillary’s campaign 2 weeks before the election while protecting Trump’s campaign from a similar revelation about an FBI investigation.
Maybe you could explain your assertion, but I doubt it.
btb:
More disinformation I can partially call bs on from personal knowledge. Jim Comey was my neighbor and on my radio show. He’s no Republican. Mueller’s a Never Trumper with a grudge. As for sabotaging Hillary, you oughta tell that to his wife, Patrice, who campaigned for her. You know, btb, when you keep driving into a wall you ought to turn the wheel, oh numb one.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/04/15/comey_wife_wanted_hillary_clinton_to_win_really_badly_all_my_kids_probably_voted_for_her.html
Mueller under examination by a congressional committee professed to not recognize the name of Fusion GPS. It’s a reasonable inference he hardly knows whether he’s coming or going. There’s a reason he insisted on testifying with a minder present.
Comey was a registered republican his entire life until 2016 and Mueller still is. Trump, who maybe became a republican 10 years ago – or not – doesn’t decide who is a republican and who isn’t.
It doesn’t matter what Comey’s wife thinks, Comey’s made public a letter stating she was under investigation 2 weeks before the election according and protected the Trump from making public that his campaign was also under FBI investigation.
What absurd said. Comey was NOT a registered Republican in Virginia since we don’t register. Do you lie in your sleep, too!
Mespo, you stated that the democrats tried to pull a coup, but when I pointed out to you that the only coup was by the Republican Comey on Hillary, you are now claiming victory because Comey was not registered in Virginia. Is that right?
OK and I’m glad you’ve abandoned the rest of your ludicrous post.
BTB :
I haven’t. You just don’t know how to answer the rest of it. Nothing new about that.
Repeating this, so the blowhard mespo doesn’t miss it:
“Jim…,” says the self-important, mespo. Adding, “He’s no Republican.”
Comey: “I have been a registered Republican for most of my adult life, not registered any longer.”
https://www.politico.com/blogs/james-comey-testimony/2016/07/what-party-is-james-comey-registered-as-225223
Excerpt:
FBI director says he’s no longer a registered Republican
By NICK GASS 07/07/2016 11:58 AM EDT
Even though he has been a registered Republican for most of his adult life, FBI Director James Comey testified Thursday that he is no longer a registered member of the GOP.
“Although our politics are different — I gather you’re a Republican — that correct?” Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-Va.) asked Comey in prefacing his remarks.
Comey responded, “I have been a registered Republican for most of my adult life, not registered any longer.”
The FBI director, who previously served as deputy attorney general in George W. Bush’s administration before President Barack Obama appointed him to his current position, donated to the presidential campaigns of John McCain in 2008 and Mitt Romney in 2012.
“Jim…,” says the self-important, mespo. Adding, “He’s no Republican.”
Comey: “I have been a registered Republican for most of my adult life, not registered any longer.”
https://www.politico.com/blogs/james-comey-testimony/2016/07/what-party-is-james-comey-registered-as-225223
Excerpt:
FBI director says he’s no longer a registered Republican
By NICK GASS 07/07/2016 11:58 AM EDT
Even though he has been a registered Republican for most of his adult life, FBI Director James Comey testified Thursday that he is no longer a registered member of the GOP.
“Although our politics are different — I gather you’re a Republican — that correct?” Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-Va.) asked Comey in prefacing his remarks.
Comey responded, “I have been a registered Republican for most of my adult life, not registered any longer.”
The FBI director, who previously served as deputy attorney general in George W. Bush’s administration before President Barack Obama appointed him to his current position, donated to the presidential campaigns of John McCain in 2008 and Mitt Romney in 2012.
Anonymous:
Let me say it real slow for you: there is no party registration in Virginia. So if the statement you cite is true, you’ve just proved Comey is a liar. So thanks for the support. But we already knew that.
mespo says: “So if the statement you cite is true, you’ve just proved Comey is a liar. ”
I’m sure that Comey would love to ‘splain it to you on your little ‘radio show**’, mespo.
**”Jim Comey was my neighbor and on my radio show.” -mespo, Comey’s BFF, earlier @ 4:24
Comey and Mueller are Republicans
Comey lived in Virginia, which has no party registration. He then moved to DC, where he was a non-partisan registrant.
Why not tell us where Robert Mueller is registered to vote? Is it in California, in DC, or somewhere else? I noodled around for it a couple of years ago and turned up a dry hole.
As for Andrew McCabe, his wife ran for office as a Democrat with the direct assistance of Terry McAuliffe.
The only one of these characters which you could verify did register Republican was Rod Rosenstein.
For another blowhard on the block — I mean, the blog:
“I have been a registered Republican for most of my adult life, not registered any longer.” -James Comey
https://www.politico.com/blogs/james-comey-testimony/2016/07/what-party-is-james-comey-registered-as-225223
Excerpt:
FBI director says he’s no longer a registered Republican
By NICK GASS 07/07/2016 11:58 AM EDT
Even though he has been a registered Republican for most of his adult life, FBI Director James Comey testified Thursday that he is no longer a registered member of the GOP.
“Although our politics are different — I gather you’re a Republican — that correct?” Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-Va.) asked Comey in prefacing his remarks.
Comey responded, “I have been a registered Republican for most of my adult life, not registered any longer.”
The FBI director, who previously served as deputy attorney general in George W. Bush’s administration before President Barack Obama appointed him to his current position, donated to the presidential campaigns of John McCain in 2008 and Mitt Romney in 2012.
Again, there is no party registration in Virginia.
That aside, Comey was a Justice Department lifer, not a Republican recruit. He was employed by the Department of Justice for more than a decade before George W Bush took office. This isn’t that difficult.
List the years during which Comey resided in VA.
Comey testified about his party affiliation, so you’re right: “This isn’t that difficult.” Listen to his testimony.
Comey was a resident of Virginia (pt) from 1978 to 1982, He was married in Williamsburg, Va. on 24 July 1987, at which time he and his wife listed themselves as residents of Hoboken, NJ. The officiant was a Presbyterian minister imported from Iowa, presumably a relation of the bride. He moved to Maplewood, NJ the following year. He also lived in Westchester for a time. By 1993, he and his family had decamped to Richmond, where he stayed 9 years. He returned to New York in 2002, living there for a year and change. In 2003, he landed a position in the DoJ hq in Washington, and took up residence in McLean, Va. He was hired by Lockheed Martin in 2005. NB, their headquarters are in Bethesda. No public records search locates any Maryland address for the family. (His father’s obituary, issued six weeks ago, lists him as a resident of McLean, Va). In 2010, he landed a sketchy job with a hedge fund in Connecticut. Westport, Ct. is one of the loci which appear on public records searches of the family. Three years later, he was appointed FBI director and returned to Washington. So, he’s spent about 24 years living in Virginia. He’s otherwise bounced around the NYC commuter belt (mostly in New Jersey, where his family moved in 1970) with bits of time in Chicago, southern Connecticut, & DC.
When there were dual-party primaries in VA, perhaps Comey voted Republican.
Mespo will get it all straightened out when he and his BFF, Comey, get together for mespo’s radio show.
If Comey voted in dual-party primaries, perhaps this confused him:
“Virginia is an Open Primary state which means that any registered voter in Virginia can vote in either a Democratic or Republican primary. When both parties are holding a primary election, you will be asked which primary you want to vote in when you check in to vote with your photo ID.”
Upcoming Elections | Elections – Fairfax County
https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/elections/upcoming
Anyway, I’m sure that mespo can get it sorted out.
Anonymous:
“Anyway, I’m sure that mespo can get it sorted out.”
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Nothing to sort out. He wasn’t a “registered Republican” in Virginia where he went to college and later lived and worked nor could he be since there is no “registration” here. So you do the math.
And yet he says he was — though we all know that he wasn’t registered in VA. He apparently testified…: https://www.politico.com/blogs/james-comey-testimony/2016/07/what-party-is-james-comey-registered-as-225223
”Jim Comey was my neighbor and on my radio show.” -mespo, Comey’s BFF, earlier @ 4:24
So it should be easy enough for you to clarify matters with your bud, mespo.
Comey was an AUSA for about a decade, a non-political position one is hired to based on merit and is not political position. Many, maybe most, are Republicans. No one knows or cares. Comey’s first political appointments were as the USA for the southern District of NY, then as Deputy AG, both under W Bush, a Republican.
Comey was an AUSA for about a decade, a non-political position one is hired to based on merit and is not political position.
ROTFL
Your ignorance is exceptional.
come on book, you know the AUSAs are indeed discretionary political appointees. they must have merit of course, but they are fundamentally discretionary political appointees indeed
Kurtz, that;s complete BS. I know AUSA’s and politics was absolutely zero part of their hiring and advancement or being held on over multiple administrations. It is in no way a political appointment. A USA is a political appointment which typically ends with changes in administrations, but In fact a president can’t hire and fire AUSA’s. If it’s part of a “Deep State” there are plenty from both parties – or none – at work, and the normally functioning offices – my contacts have worked in 3 – don’t consider party when forging case teams or advancement in the office.
Anonymous – as my daddy used to say, you can put a handle on a printing press, however, that does not make it portable. Comey can say he was a Republican, but he didn’t act Republican.
Why are we even debating this? It’s not as if he and his underlings were at all circumspect about what was driving them.
Loyalty to America, patriotism, integrity is what governed Comey, you not so much.
All of these people are Justice Department lifers and that’s where their loyalties lie. One reason, among others, that the Department of Justice should be busted up into little tiny pieces.
The only people they tried to put in jail were all Trump associates. The FBI/DOJ handling of Hillary’s admitted violations of the Espionage Act was the exact opposite of how they dealt with Trump and his associates. The reason for the extraordinary difference in the two cases can be boiled to to the one man who ran both: Peter Strock. He, and everyone else around him, hated Trump as is clear from their texts and behavior.
The revelation that Anthony Weiner had Hillary’s emails on his computer was not something Comey could hide for long. He had been trying to hide it, but FBI insiders went to Congress to report that Weiner’s laptop was in possession of the FBI and they were slow walking the needed investigation. Somehow, Comey and the FBI claim to have read through 30 thousand odd emails in the course of the weekend. I wouldn’t call this “sabotaging” Hillary’s campaign. He was covering for her and got busted and therefore had no choice but to acknowledge the evidence they had found 6 weeks prior.
Ivan, the FBI hid the investigation into Trump until after the election and among the reasons Comey felt he had to write the Hillary letter was because of Giuliani associated FBI agents in the NY office. In another words, fear of exactly the kind of partisan and unprofessional BS you are accusing the FBI in general of practicing. Your problem is that those investigating Trump have been found by IGs to not have acted politically or unprofessional while you are here citing expected political behavior by those on the right as a natural and apparently acceptable force.
WTF?
By the way, the SC ruled in 1942 that the Espioonage Act required intent. Comey’s understanding was correct. You want the cite?
Ivan, I think the feds wanted to hide the Weiner computer contents but the NYPD got them tirst and didn’t g8ve them a choice.
So, he didn’t “falsely state[] that he did not ask Russia’s Ambassador to the United States (“Russian Ambassador”) to refrain from escalating the situation in response to sanctions that the United States had imposed against Russia”?
Wasn’t there a recording of the conversation?
Full transcript in the FBI hands.
Lawfare Skeptical Of Flynn Defense Claims
At the end of the day Flynn will have to convince Judge Sullivan that he has asserted a viable claim of innocence and that his plea is tainted. Neither of these points is obvious at all. One thing Flynn does not appear to be claiming, after all, is that his answers to questions at that FBI interview were accurate.
So what’s actually in all of this released material? The material Powell has released from Covington consists of two emails, both largely redacted.
The first, from Flynn’s Covington attorney Robert Kelner to his co-counsel Stephen Anthony, dates to March 18, 2018, and shows Kelner writing to Anthony, “We have a lawyers’ unofficial agreement that they are unlikely to charge Junior in light of the Cooperation Agreement.” The second, dated March 18, 2018, is from Anthony to Kelner and two Covington colleagues. The only unredacted text in the email reads, “The only exception is the reference to Michael Jr. The government took pains not to give a promise to MTF [presumably referencing Flynn] regarding Michael Jr., so as to limit how much of a ‘benefit’ it would have to disclose as part of its Giglio disclosures to any defendant against whom MTF may one day testify.” (Under Giglio v. United States, the government must inform defendants of information concerning immunity deals that might impeach a witness’s credibility.)
Flynn’s current lawyers try to cast this as evidence of prosecutorial misconduct—a gross effort to threaten Flynn with the prosecution of his son combined with an effort to cover it up. In fact, if prosecutors did use Flynn’s son as leverage, this is within the range of normal prosecutorial hardball. Flynn’s consulting group, with which his son was employed, engaged in practices that raised legal questions under the Foreign Agents Registration Act, exposing both father and son to potential criminal liability. (And that’s before we get to the reported involvement by both Flynns in a possible plot to kidnap cleric Fethullah Gulen on behalf of the Turkish government.) Prosecutors were apparently willing to forego other charges against Flynn in exchange for his cooperation and plea to the single felony. According to the Covington emails, the prosecutors apparently would not promise to forego further charges against Flynn’s son, although they signaled that they were “unlikely” to move forward against him if they received satisfactory cooperation from his father.
Leaning on a potential defendant for cooperation using the criminal liability of family members as leverage is not unheard of. This does not mean the practice is beyond criticism—but the handling of Flynn’s case is not some kind of aberration, let alone the sort of conscience-shocking thing that might justify a dismissal.
https://www.lawfareblog.com/flynn-redux-what-those-fbi-documents-really-show
Lawfare Skeptical Of Flynn Defense Claims
You were expecting something different? Frauds gotta fraud.
Absurd– The excuses being made for prosecutorial misconduct (done all the time, normal) are more terrifying than the conduct in one instance. If they are doing it all the time then they damned well better stop.
What is wrong with anyone who can codone or excuse this?
1. It’s the gleichschaltung to some degree. The respect liberals had for procedural principles began to decay around 1935. However, an agency like Common Cause was still, ca. 1980, on the level.
2. Post-Dukakis, the Democratic Party’s mugwump aspect was replaced with corrupt practices conjoined to striking the most absurd attitudes. NPCs like Peter Shill swallow it whole. It gets worse every year.
3. See what happens at the nexus of the bar and higher education. Gentry liberals arrogate to themselves immunity from democratic-decision making, insisting on their right to do what they please with massive public subsidies.
4. And, one thing that pleases them is delineating status hierarchies. The exchange of ego satisfactions between black chauvinists and gentry liberals includes an alignment of impulses. George Zimmerman was an adipose everyman office employee attacked by a feral adolescent (whose mother had put him on a bus and dispatched him to his father’s baby mama in Orlando because she’d just had enough). Black chauvinists fancy Zimmerman was getting above himself observing the conduct of a son of the aristocracy while gentry liberals fancy he was getting above himself seeking to lower the boom on one of their clients. This was absolutely encoded into liberal thinking at the time. It was not merely their efforts expended to pretend or fancy Zimmerman had done something wrong, it was their assumption that Martin was within his rights to beat up random strangers if they irritated him (provided the random strangers were deplorables).
5. From the time of the incident to the trial to a point in time years after he was acquitted, Zimmerman was subject to horrendous harassment by various parties. This included straight up and self-conscious slander by a local NBC affiliate (which the courts let them get away with), abusive behavior by one trial judge so distinct and manifest that an appeals court ordered his recusal, attacks on an innocent couple whose contact information Spike Lee had confounded with Zimmerman’s and tweeted to his followers, and an attempt to kill him when a random strangers fired bullets into his moving car.
Once you realize that gentry liberals are malevolent people without defensible objects, it begins to make sense. We are properly protected from the BAMN.
Don’t forget that the New Black Panthers put out a reward for killing Zimmerman and nobody turned a hair or objected.
Funny thing was that Zimmerman was a part black Trump supporter who had previously worked with the local black community to fight police abuse against blacks.
Bet he has re-thought all of that.
Sorry that should have read “part-black Obama supporter.”
So easy to forget that empty suit poseur ever got in the door of the White House.
Zimmerman’s mother is a ‘pardo’, roughly 3/4 Amerindian and 1/4 negroid. His father’s family is midwestern German. His father was career Army, retired a Sgt. Major. His mother at one time was an athletic coach employed by the Peruvian prison system. The family was close to the median socially and economically and a blend ethnically and racially. The immediately family’s longest stay in one place had been in Prince William County, Va., i.e. the cheap seats suburbs of Washington. They’d only moved to central Florida in 2008, when papa Zimmerman retired. He had an unusually long military career (37 years) and he was at rank E-8 or E-9 when he left the service. One of the maternal uncles was a state trooper in Florida. Another owned an insurance agency. Zimmerman himself was employed as an underwriter in an insurance office. His wife worked as a beautician. They lived in the same townhouse complex as Tracy Martin’s baby mama.
This is the man gentry liberals fancy manifests ‘white privilege’.
The media also pretended first that the jury was all white, then white and one Hispanic. It wasn’t until interviews after the trial that we saw one juror was a black woman from Puerto Rico. The media lied all through the trial as they did with the Duke Lacrosse players.
Absurd, whoever said Zimmerman was the product of White privilege?? It came out very early that he was half Hispanic.
But one thing to note about your comments: ‘Zimmerman wasn’t a cop or even a Security Officer’. He actually had no official standing as law enforcement of any kind.
Had Zimmerman been even a low-paid Security Officer, in a Security Patrol car, that at least would have given more standing than he had.
Zimmerman was one of America’s “community stalkers.” He should have left Trayvon Martin alone.
Neighborhood watch is not community stalker.
Trayvon attacked Zimmerman while he waited for the police to arrive.
Trayvon had in his school locker women’s jewelry and other items stolen from a home near his school. Why do you think he was standing in the rain at night near a home in a neighborhood where he didn’t live? A burglary tool was found in the bushes near where he was standing.
On his phone Trayvon had details about his particpation in fight clubs. He liked to fight.
The media referred to Zimmerman as a ‘white Hispanic’. His phone call to the police was edited by the media to make him sound racist. The full call was played at trial and it was clear there was nothing racist anout it.
The one black juror voted to acquit.
As I said, Zimmerman was a community stalker.
Maybe Young is ignorant and/or naive and doesn’t know about America’s ‘community stalkers.’ It’s one of those open secrets, but maybe Young isn’t in on it…
But one thing to note about your comments: ‘Zimmerman wasn’t a cop or even a Security Officer’. He actually had no official standing as law enforcement of any kind.
Which is perfectly irrelevant, which I told you the last time you raised this red herring. You actually do not need a license to (1) call a non-emergency dispatcher about someone behaving strangely in your neighborhood and (2) walk around your own neighborhood and (3) loiter about waiting for the police to arrive. NB, Zimmerman was standing around within eyeshot of his truck so waiting. He never caught sight of Martin after Martin ran down an alley while he, Zimmerman was in his truck talking with the dispatcher. Martin, instead of just returning to Brandi Greene’s townhouse, turned around, walked 75 yards down that alley and attacked Zimmerman. No, you do not have to have a security guards license to fight back when someone jumps you, practices their MMA moves on you, and bangs your head into the concrete.
Do you ever get tired of being a maroon?
“Zimmerman was in his truck talking with the dispatcher. Martin, instead of just returning to Brandi Greene’s townhouse, turned around, walked 75 yards down that alley and attacked Zimmerman.”
He was in his truck when he was attacked? LOL.
Obviously you did not watch the trial as I did. I believe Zimmerman was by his truck watching the entrance for the arrival of the police when Trayvon came out of the dark and approached and attacked him. You can probably still get the trial online even now. Don’t rely on news reports unless you want to continue to sound like an ignorant ‘maroon’ as TIA describes you.
There are two ignorant ‘maroons’ in this discussion. You are one of them and TIA is the other. You obviously have no idea… — though you think you do.
He was in his truck when he was attacked? LOL.
Reading comprehension is an issue for you. If you would cycle back two sentences, you would understand. Presuming you were willing and able.
That aside, crime scene photographs establish where Zimmerman dropped his key chain and other items. That’s where Martin attacked him. It was a spot near the intersection of two sidewalks. One ran behind a row of townhouses and connected one street in the complex to another. The other sidewalk was perpendicular to the first. It ran down an alley with lawn and the rear doors of a row of townhouses on each side. As you stand at the head of the alley looking down it, Brandi Greene’s townhouse was 80 yards down and on the left side. Zimmerman’s truck was, precisely to his right about 90 feet away (in a direction perpendicular to that to Brandi Greene’s townhouse). His conversation with the dispatcher recorded as he walked between his truck and the next street over and back is recorded. He doesn’t see Zimmerman and doesn’t know where he’s gone. He wouldn’t know until Zimmerman walked back and attacked him.
We only have Zimmerman’s word that he was attacked first and without provocation. He should have been charged with manslaughter and convicted.
TIA – You are right. Anon deliberately misread your comment to set up a strawman argument. I noticed that earlier. I think Anon is either BTB or a clone. Neither will engage in an honest argument. I have stopped reading Seth or BTB for the most part and avoid responding to them. I will include Anon with them. Not worth the time to frame a statement that one knows will be twisted and deliberately misunderstood. They would do well at CNN though. Maybe they work there.
“I think Anon is either BTB or a clone. ”
Young, I don’t know how long you have been on the blog so forgive me if you know all of this already. BTB used to post as Anon which is different than Anonymous. He sometimes uses Anonymous as well but there are a multiplicity of persons too scared to use a specific alias even though a specific alias provides anonymity. BTB has had multiple other aliases some rather recent. The first alias he went under was Jan F. ( a couple of us know more about BTB than he would like) DSS (Desperately seeking Susan) is Absurd today but is not hiding his identity and posts under only one alias. Peter Hill was known as Peter Shill. He complains about those that change their aliases or go under the name of Anonymous. However, he has posted under Anonymous to provide himself support and to complain. He has also had many versions of his name and is now calling himself Seth Warner. (to me the name Seth sounds significant both in sound and in other ways). I refer to him as Paint Chips because Olly told him he should stop eating paint chips.
Absurd, I dont doubt that Martin was antagonizing Zimmerman. Certain teens will be deliberately provocative.
But Zimmerman’s lack of official standing compounded that whole issue. Martin, had he lived, would have no doubt claimed he had no idea ‘who’ Zimmerman really was. Whereas that claim would have been empty had Zimmerman been a uniformed guard.
From a liability standpoint, you don’t want unofficial Security patrolling any expanse of private or public property. And this case illustrates exactly what the pitfalls are.
Again, it is perfectly irrelevant. Martin attacked Zimmerman. It doesn’t matter if you lack ‘official standing’. Martin did not have some franchise to attack any local resident, whether it be Zimmerman or the two eyewitnesses to his attack on Zimmerman. I can never figure out if you’re being dishonest or stupid.
We don’t know who attacked who. The only alive witness is Zimmerman and he is not dispassionate.
Zimmerman should have been charged with manslaughter and convicted.
TIA does not know who attacked who first. He claims to know a lot of things no one knows, like Trump’s well hid financial dealings.
We don’t know who attacked who. The only alive witness is Zimmerman and he is not dispassionate.
Oh, yes we do.
Maps of the complex were available and you can time how long it would take him to move from one place to another. The phone call to the dispatcher was recorded. You can time the precise point where Martin run down the alley and how long it would take to get to the back door of Brandi Greene’s townhouse. It’s about 13 seconds. Zimmerman gets out of his truck and jogs over to the point where Martin ran away. It takes about 9 seconds to get there, but the lighting is such that he cannot see him. He walks in a direction perpendicular to where Martin had run, talking to the dispatcher as he travels to the next street over to check the street address, then, having reached the next street over, turns back toward his truck. He’s quite anxious over the phone, telling the dispatcher he doesn’t know where Martin’s hiding. Martin at this point would have long since gone back inside at Brandi Greene’s, if that had been his object. We know it wasn’t, because he didn’t do that. He was talking with Rachel Jeantel over the phone at the time. We know where Zimmerman dropped his keychain, because it was photographed by crime scene technicians. It’s also about 80 yards from the back door to Brandi Greene’s house. He doesn’t get from one place to another without a considered and deliberate act. We also know where Martin was practicing his MMA moves on Zimmerman. It was about 30 feet away from the dropped key chain right outside the door of one of Zimmerman’s neighbors (who was right there, calling 911 and telling Martin to get off him). We also know that Zimmerman knew the cops were due to arrive shortly, something Martin did not know.
TIA – Re your last. Excellent points I know to be correct from following the case. But as I said above you are wasting your time with these people. If they watched video of the attack they would still lie sbout it. That seems to be their job.
There is no video of the attack and timing does not validate who said and di what at intial contact. We don’t know who attacked who and Zimmerman should have been charged and convicted of manslaughter (jurors indicated he would have been if that option had been available).
the perpetrator trayvon martin committed a felonious and potentially deadly assault on zimmerman. who was well within his rights to shoot him and defend himself from certain grave bodily harm if not death
that result was a no brainer!
any man would so defend himself if he could. would it have been better had the furious travon splashed the sidewalk with his brains once the skull was split like an eggshell?
but zimmerman understands how that liberals dont like neighborhood watches, and its best to call the cops to take out the garbage instead
We haven’t seen or heard the last of Zimmerman. Count on it.
As for the night when he killed TM? He should have stayed in his truck, with the doors locked, until the police arrived. He was playing “cop” and somebody ended up dead. For any and all of Trayvon’s faults, Zimmerman’s no angel.
“George Zimmerman gets probation in stalking of investigator linked to Trayvon Martin film series”
https://www.foxnews.com/us/george-zimmerman-receives-year-probation-in-stalking-case
Excerpt:
Prosecutors believe Zimmerman sent dozens of threating messages and phones calls and emails to private investigator Dennis Warren after Warren contacted Zimmerman’s family about the project.
“[The private investigator] is a [expletive] who bothered my uncle in his home. Local or former law officer, he’s well on his way to the inside of a gator as well. 10-4?,” Zimmerman allegedly said in a text message to a producer on the film, WFTV-TV in Orlando reported.
“I’m going to find him and bring him to hell with me,” Zimmerman allegedly said in a message, referring to Warren.
Warren said the threats included details about his life, such as where he was traveling and what airline, prompting him to get extra security for his home.
Young, I think I posted this video sometime ago. Howard Root. The video is extraodinary and is like a novel that gets more and more exciting with time. It teaches people to think about what they believe if they are willing to listen. Prosecutorial abuse that is astounding. As a lawyer you will be even more interested.
video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M3P8sT4IFg
Allan – thanks for the YouTube on Root. 🙂
Paul I was talking to someone about his desire to start a company in the medical field based on tech. He is a Howard Root type of guy smart , with plenty of energy. We talkied after he heard it but said that was his dream. However, if he made it he wanted to structure the company differently based on the video.
Allan– Thanks so much for the video. It is terrifying. Flynn isn’t an oulier. My God, what a mess the DOJ is. I remember that Sally Yates was so convinced of her authority that she believed she could subvert the orders of the elected President of the United States, her superior many times removed and in many different ways. If the culture isn’t changed in that diseased organization and perpetrators sent to prison the country is at greater risk than it was after Pearl Harbor.
Young, I agree with you. The only way to attempt to right the wrongs is with jail terms for those that were involved. Anything less than that will not permit the country to have faith in these institutions including those that today claim nothing wrong was done.
These organizations supposedly protect the nation from terrorism etc. By not keeping them absoulely clean the left is leaving America open to considerable risk. Protecting the nation used to be the one thing that brought the parties together but it seems the leaders of the Democratic Party do not care about America and just want power.
Well, I wasn’t expecting a rational rebuttal from TIA and Young, so at least I’m not disappointed.
I am sure not disappointing you is uppermost in everyone’s mind.
They would better spend their time if they quoted the relevant portions of the FBI records that were released and then explain why those records showing entrapment and an innocent Flynn were untrue. They can’t do that because their readership is interested in fantasy rather than the truth.
You can’t understand why you are deemed foolish. The reason is fantasy is not the way to demonstrate superior ideas. Except in theater and bedtime activities it leads one to become the fool and in non theater activities the fool is frequently despised.
But Seth is apparently good at doing nails according to his comment on another thread.
And Young is good at calling people queer, a skill no doubt honed in 4th grade which he still practices.
Seth’s claim to be good at doing nails. I don’t know how good he is; probably babbles politics and explains he is really manly all through the procedure.
Why do you assume that doing nails makes one gay? Indulging in stereotypes?
Anon believes real men can’t possibly do nails and if they do it has to be steel nails where a hammer substitutes for a nail file. A brutish type of guy.
Peter identified himself as a resident of West Hollywood. If he were concerned with his reputation, he’d live somewhere else.
Yes, but somewhere else would be too far from the action. Reputation be damned. It’s all offset by how manly he is– he says.
“If he were concerned with his reputation, he’d live somewhere else.”
Thanks for letting us know what kind of person you are.
What kind of person is an Anonymous?
Are people permitted to post anonymous comments on Jonathan Turley’s blog?
Well, yes, as a matter of fact, they are.
Answer your own question, Young. The answer will tell us more about you than anyone else.
Anonymous can post. The question was what type of person is an Anonymous?
Again:
Answer your own question, Young. The answer will tell us more about you than anyone else.
Young, I read that as well and Anon (bythebook) is good at bending nails. In the past I called Anon, Bent Nail. If I am correct he builds small homes and maybe other things. He is most proud of doing his own taxes. I often wonder if his graduate degree was at H&R Block. Maybe a disatisfied customer threw hammer at his head explaining why he has such difficulty understanding how the world works.
Seth or Paint Chips must love paint with lead. It makes difficult thinking become easy as the number of choices one becomes aware of, falls. Doing nails is something new so I wonder if nail polish has paint in it. His sexuality is obscure and makes him very defensive so I suppose there is some deviance there but I don’t know quite what it is. There is nothing wrong with diverse sexuality if legal but when one has such negative reactions to such claims one knows the deviancy is not acceptable to the host.
Yeah, I don’t care about someone’s sexuality. Not my business. We did go to West Hollywood for Halloween and it was outrageously entertaining and fun. Seth is more worried about his sexuality than any of us are. I don’t think any of us really give a damn what he does. I do wonder if he might have been the guy in leather and chains prancing down the street and gyrating to YMCA on Halloween. His hometown, after all.
That must be like portions of Greenwich Village which goes crazy when they have their gay parade. It’s a jolly good time and most people accept things the way they are without so many hangups.
Yes it is. Like Key West too.
it is an aberration because they took a patriotic high achieving american engaged in lawful diplomatic contacts on behalf of an incoming Presidential administration and treated him like commonplace gangsters who deserve such sneaky tricks
utterly despicable!
You don’t need a lawyer. The policeman is your friend.
Local cops usually are your friend. Andrew McCabe was never a local cop
You ever noticed who ruined the financial system during the period running from 2003-08? Not local community bankers, but casino bankers in Manhattan in cahoots with the politicians’ handmaidens in charge of the secondary mortgage market (including and especially Barney Frank’s boy toy, Herb Moses).
Our problem as a society is that the scum has been rising to the top.
Private mortgage companies not subject to FDIC or CRA rules wrote the overwhelming majority of failed subprime mortgages (half of them were not first time home buyers but speculators). Loose WS rules allowed these time bombs to be packaged for resale. Politicians weren’t in charge of these, they opened the barn door with the usual promise of the beauty of unrestrained capitalism.
It was the big banks with billions rather than a few millions. the big insurer AIG and the big financial institutions on Wall Street that were bailed out by the government along with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
Again, Freddie Mac slashed underwriting standards in 2003. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac held escalating shares of outstanding promissory notes and sold mortgage backed securities to all comers.
Had the notes been held on the books of the originating banks, there would have been no general crisis. The FDIC would have brokered sales or established receiverships and various parties would have received haircuts, some of them severe. That would include the banks’ share holders, those who bought their commercial paper, their bondholders, and, at the end of the line, their uninsured depositors.
The subprime and Alt-A loans accounted for about a quarter of the sum of loan balances on properties underwater. Mostly, it was prime borrowers who hadn’t anticipated the crash in real-estate prices.
And, of course, your skeevy local mortgage brokers weren’t responsible for the massive trading in derivatives. If you recall, the most insuperable problems were caused by the Financial Products Unit at AIG, who sold credit default swaps on about $400 bn worth of securities and just warehoused the risk. They did so even though they had no clue about the actual composition of the mortgage pools on which they were writing these contracts. AIG is a multi-national insurance company headquartered in Manhattan.
And did I mention the biggest institutional challenge? It was Citigroup. Aside from the trouble caused by their wretched loan portfolio and their complicated trading book, two-thirds of their deposits were domiciled abroad.
And then there was Wachovia. I big, honking ruined commercial bank. And Countrywide, the politically-connected finance company, $211 bn in assets. Fully 46% of their loan portfolio eventually went sour.
But hey, let’s blame the skeevy mortgage broker in Fort Walton Beach. He prolly votes Republican.
Dismissed with reparations and a required apology from the dirty cops at the least but better if they were investigated and charged.
In “Unfreedom of the Press,” Mark Levin investigates decades and decades of “eras of rage” and judicial injustices. Our behavior has not changed as much as we’d like to believe. If you haven’t noticed, I’m trying to add balance to your library.
You might want to include Sydney Powell’s “License to Lie” in that recommendation.
Haha! Mofoknows, who in the world would take you seriously
Medal of Freedom for Sydney Powell.
That is a splendid idea. I hope it happens.
So, Flynn didn’t lie to the FBI?
All he had to do, to avoid breaking the law, was not lie. I don’t see why that would be hard.
He never lied.
Did Biden lie when he said 150,000,000 Americans have been killed by guns since 2007?
Rick– True, Flynn did not lie. But the FBI did multiple times and admitted to it.
Hard to say if Biden is lying because he doesn’t seem to know what he is saying.
What are you an idiot that is practically half of US population.
You’re conveniently forgetting that the FBI agents who interviewed Flynn said he didn’t lie.
Even the Progressives get it, that Flynn was set up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_6MT_B96qA&t=385s
Squeeky Fromm
Girl Reporter
Yes Squeeky, the Progressives get that Flynn was set up. And many of them like it and want more of the same. At heart they are Fascists.
For example, look at the post below this.
The one by BTB.
Young, I am so glad you used the term Fascist since I have used that word a lot in the past and leftists don’t seem to understand what that word connotes. The left doesn’t understand the links of Fascism to what they are promoting. They also don’t understand all the links between Socialism, Communism and Nazism and how they relate to Fascism and the common ancestry of all of them.
The prosecution of Flynn is not much different than the false prosecutions of Stalin.
Allan- Yes, the original Fascist, Mussolini, was an avowed socialist agitator and author for much of his life. He saw Fascism as an improved version of socialism. The National SOCIALIST German WORKERS Party looks pretty socialist in their name, and they often described themselves as socialists. They, of course, were the Nazis.
Basically they all share totalitarian, authoritarian instincts, thuggery and indifference to the rule of law. ANTIFA tactics, for example, are indistinguishable from those of Brownshirts. Unfortunately, as with the Brownshirts, too often the police stand aside and the media condone their lawlessness.
They are Fascists. Time to call them that.
Young, It is wonderful to hear your words reflecting reality.
As you apparently recognize Mussolini is the accepted person that codified the principles of (Italian) Fascism (like Hitler’s Nazism, a Fascist entity). He did so in a written work but his entries were only the smaller part. Giovanni Gentile was the predominant writer. In some of the less important details Fascism opposes certain Socialist dictates but I don’t think that should be mistaken as an accurate view of significant difference since they are more like sisters that as they grow up develop differences in opinion as to how the totalitarian state should exist in relationship to the people. They are both birthed from the same mother and both lead to a loss of individualism where the State replaces it. Gentile from the start was a Socialist and thereby from the left.
Allan– Thanks! I was not aware of the influence of Gentile. That is worth looking into.
At the core, I suspect these ‘isms’ of the left share some part of the soul of Robspierre.
But, the Robespierre story has an ending that was just as far as Robespierre was concerned.
People that wish to control others always have another ism in their pocket.
(I think when you delve into Gentile you will see Hegel, Ugh)
It should have read something like this: “But, the Robespierre story has” at least one good ending.
Simon Schama’s history of the French Revolution, Citizens, is excellent. I particularly enjoyed the part where Robspierre went to the guillotine. If ever someone deserved it.
That was a good ending. As wss the execution of Hebert, a vile creature who was a coward in the end.
A blurb from the book: “Simon Schama deftly refutes the contemporary notion that the French Revolution represented an uprising of the oppressed poor against a decadent aristocracy and corrupt court. He argues instead that the revolution was born of a rift among the elite over the speed of progress toward modernity and science, social and economic change. ”
Isn’t it the elites pushing socialism in this country and saying it is for the workers against a decadent group even though they call most of the working class that deals with their hands, deplorables? Contrast this group and the French Revolution to the American Revolution that stood the test of time.
Allan- Yes on both points. Schama makes clear the primary impulses of the Revolution came from above, the elites and even in part from the palace. Thomas Carlyle’s history of the revolution conveys the same but it is at once more difficult snd more wonderful writing, poetry in prose that carries one into the scene more effectively than coventional history no matter how well done. I expect to read both works yet again.
Agreed. Slices of the wage-earning population align themselves with the Democratic Party for a variety of reasons, mostly having to do with intergroup antagaonisms. The Democratic Party is actually the party of various and sundry bourgeois occupational guilds and they’re not interested in the quality of life enjoyed by wage earners unless they can manufacture patron-client relations between wage-earners and benefit brokers. For that reason, they’re downright hostile to subsections of the working class and a great deal of what animates them is to injure this class and take influence away from it. Small-town burgesses are treated with the same disdain.
We might like argument and competition within rules and habitual courtesies to prevail, but we haven’t lived in that world in some time. The last 20 years have been rough, and it will indubitably get worse before it gets better.
The elites were intoxicated with Rosseau and paid dearly for their philosophical binge.
Bastille Day should be a day of shame rather than celebration. The French Revolution was a humanitarian catastrophe.
Read what happened to Malesherbes, a decent man of courage and honor. The Revolution was evil.
Young – at least on Bastille Day they let the Marquis de Sade out of prison. It wasn’t all bad. 😉
“The elites were intoxicated with Rosseau and paid dearly for their philosophical binge.”
That is why I believe the real story of the French Revolution should be taught in conjunction with the American Revolution so that the two never become confused. The French Revolution led to death and dictatorship. The American Revolution led to a Constitutional Republic that still survives where the idea of individualism and private property are meant to prevail.
Absurd– Good observation about the staus and treatment of different classes in America. The furniture in the house is rearranging and we can only hope it doesn’t stack up to a bonfire.
Allan – private property. You do not even own your property, real property, that is, if you don’t pay your property tax, even if retired and/or not bringing in income. Its a system of baloney and cheese.
I would also fight for someone else’s right to not pay property tax on their land. I don’t own land, but I will fight for yours. 😉
Free land for all. Everyone needs to spread out.
WW33 – I have 5 acres in the almost middle of nowhere I can sell you.
I am kidding about the free part, you have to buy it…but that’s all.
” private property. You do not even own your property, real property, that is, if you don’t pay your property tax”
You will have to explain your political position.
Lol. 5 acres. In AZ? Does it look like Mars? Can I go out there and take a selfie and claim I went to Mars? 😉😆. I am going to bring a paper cut out of my alien friend too, for the photo.
WW33 – actually it is known as a “Circle K corner.” If they ever build streets out there, the corner lot would have a Circle K on it. 😉
Paul – 😆😂
I don’t need streets, just dirt roads, and the right vehicle for those dirt paths.
I will need to build a fence though and have some signage claiming my rights.
I will make a flag and place it out there.
Do not need firefighters or police, I will handle it my own way …with some Dobermans. Hahaha.
I am making myself laugh over here.
Someone is going to read this and cringe, hahaha. Exactly.
WW33 – it is located at the corner of 243rd Ave and Happy Valley Rd. SE corner. You should be able to google it.
In case anyone is questioning, I am joking…
Remember, you can not use vicious dogs to protect your land.
I think ppl did for centuries…oddly enough. Nonetheless…
Just jokes. Obviously, some social contract/construct value in social services, etc.
Paul – I take that back, I need 2 Dobermans, well trained, and 1 shotgun to protect my land, and my new Martian colony (in AZ).
Golden. Rofl. 🤓😆😁
WW33 – Guns are no problem. Arizona is an open carry state or concealed carry (no permit needed).
Paul – 5 minutes, I found it. On my slow S6 phone too. There is a canal project out there, and it’s pretty empty….wow.
WW33 – there are canals everywhere. That might be the Central Arizona Project which brings water from the Colorado River to central and southern Arizona. https://www.cap-az.com/about-us/background
Yeah, I did not want to disclose which canal, so I just said canal…lol.
Sometimes, I am weird like that. Idkw.
That is the one, thanks for the page, an engineering marvel. Agreed.
There is a movie called “Chinatown,” I am sure you have seen it…about the water wars in LA. I am sure Arizona, like California, has had and still has its own water battles.
I could be wrong, but I believe Las Vegas they have water cops.
WW33 – Arizona actually called out the National Guard over control of the Hoover Dam. California had claimed the whole dam as theirs. Silly boys. 🙂
Irrigation is the key to the Salt River Project, which supplies water, irrigation and electricity to some parts of the Valley. They own several dams and thousands of miles of canals. BTW, if you drown in an SRP canal, they cannot be sued successfully.
Paul – the water wars of the West are always interesting. Just a lot of 🏜️ desert.
Apparently, CA still wants to use the Hoover dam for battery power. Article from 2018.
Gave up trying to understand Hegel when I learned his brilliant genius predicted there could logically be only seven planets. He did that just before the eighth was discovered.
Given a choice I would take egg drop soup in a lousy Chinese restaurant over Hegel.
I started a university class on Hegel and couldn’t stomach it when the professor started on Hegel’s ‘superman’ concepts. Dropped out a day later.
Young, I was smarter than you. I avoided Hegel completely.
Allan – Hegel is better than potential food poisoning. 😉
Allan– You said you were smarter than I because you never took Hegel in the first place.
All too true.
As for the other, I would rather have food poisoning than a course in Hegel. I have had both and food poisoning is better. You only throw up a couple of times with poisoning but expect to throw up a lot with Hegel.
Young – when I get food poisoning, I end up making love to the toliet. Here is what you missed with Hegel. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/hegel/
On the contrary, though this is almost certainly true of the sub-40 set with their visions of a sugar plum utopia, many of those in leadership positions understand perfectly well what ‘fascist’ connotes, and it doesn’t send even a ripple through their consciences. One thing Nancy Pelosi certainly isn’t, is stupid.
Factions of the DNC have always been squirrelly, but this modern, loving, and public embrace of what for all intents and purposes IS purist fascism is a new wrinkle, and it is completely antithetical to everything ANY free nation of laws represents. It is indeed concerning. That such a large portion of the populace is so utterly ignorant of the ramifications is, too.
James– Too true. For some reason interest in history has declined. Many are ignorant of the totalitarian systems or, if knowledgeable tend to embrace them as blueprints for ‘Hope’ in America.
I preferred the criminal Democrat party to the new Fascist version. Though they remain criminal too.
James, the DNC leadership is predominantly interested in the consolidation of power. They don’t have to call any of their ideas Socialist or Fascist. That might make people wake up. They depend on confusion. In the most simple of terms one can differentiate our underlying system from theirs by a simple two question test. Do they believe in the State over the individual? Do they believe in private property?
Flynn is a traitor and should do time. He met with the Russian Ambassador to tell him not to worry about sanctions Obama placed on them for interfering with our election in favor of his boss. In another words, he was colluding with the Russians by providing a payoff for services rendered.
JT pretends he never discusses strategy with his defense team that pushes the edge and is shocked to find all rational humans do that, including those prosecutors who are always taking his lunch.
He is also ignorant on the law and procedure:
“…the FBI had a pretty good idea that Flynn would lie about this, because he had apparently already been lying about it. Even Trump later acknowledged that Flynn had lied to Pence. It was then a matter of seeing if he would double down to FBI agents or come clean — either way, giving the agents something they believed to be a crime.
…It is generally accepted that as long as law enforcement is pursuing a legitimate investigation, the “perjury trap” claim doesn’t apply. The Justice Department’s manual for U.S. attorneys states that, while such claims are commonplace, as long as law enforcement is “attempting to obtain useful information in furtherance of its investigation, the perjury trap doctrine does not apply.”
A 2018 report from the Congressional Research Service states, “The doctrine poses no bar to prosecution in most cases, however, because the government is usually able to identify some valid reason for” the inquiries….”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/30/michael-flynn-revelation-bombshell-or-business-as-usual/
The fact you said, “He is also ignorant on the law and procedure:” tells readers everything we need to know about you.
Further, you misinterpret much of the sleepy article you quote.
Finally, you can see the original declassified documents online. They are incredibly damaging to the Bueller team (intentionally mispelled).
Rick, JT fails to acknowledge that the Logan Act is on the books. It is the law of the land and as recently as 1994 was revised by Congress. Further, he fails to mention that “the Justice Department’s manual for U.S. attorneys states that, while such claims are commonplace, as long as law enforcement is “attempting to obtain useful information in furtherance of its investigation, the perjury trap doctrine does not apply.”
JT also fails to address the nature of Flynn’s meeting – paying the Russians for services rendered in the 2016 election – which led to his need to lie. It was traitorous, and Flynn should do time.
I’m not important, nor are my opinions. The same can sadly be said about JT based on this column. What matters are the facts which he ignores.
“Rick, JT fails to acknowledge that the Logan Act is on the books.”
Some states have or had sodomy laws. Have you been convicted yet? Let’s line draw while attempting entrapment. Do you consider walking a dog sodomy? How about a slap on the butt? How about squeezing its anal glands to release an impaction? How about a digital exam of the dog?
Now the question is did you ever have any action that could be be considered sodomy. If the veternarian answers no, according to you his statement can be twisted into a lie and he can go to jail. You are all screwed up.
What?
nevermind
Ewe.
So pleased at the thought of Flynn going to prison! If the erection lasts for more that four hours, contact your doctor.
What boggles my mind is that even after all the revelations after the fact, according to a leading poll 53% of this nation and 73% of the dems still believe the truthfulness of the Steele document. How will this willfully ignorant flotsam every understand the subtle potential constitutional lethality of what this obama white house set in motion with its tacit blessing.
I agree. Its insanity.
Justice is an odd accident in this country and federal judges and prosecutors are held accountable for nothing. Tar and feathers or run ’em out of town on a rail.
Comey gained access to Flynn because he knew of the chaos, unlike Obama or Bush, of the early days of the Trump Whitehouse. This paraphrases his own words in an interview with Nicole Wallace on MSNBC. The duplicitous nature of Comey’s FBI leadership should be held accountable. But like everything Washington it will be lipstick on a pig.
All hail Sydney Powell!!!!
You really are all fool; there was a time I thought you fancied yourself an absurdist but you really are just an idiot.
Tony – make up your mind. Am I a fool or an idiot? Cannot be both.
Imagine what our once great country would look like had Hillary been elected. We came very close to Soviet era governmental terror. Like him or not, the much maligned Donald Trump saved our republic.
Trump;. Do your job. Pardon Flynn now!
The activity against Flynn was a violation of his civil as ND criminal rights. It is time to have a class action suit against the FBI and each person who did a violation or supported it– all the way up to the atty general.
Dismissal is not enough. Flynn needs a public apology and to be made financially whole.
Agreed, but the prosecution needs to be prosecuted.