The Perpetual Impeachment: House Democrats Tell The Supreme Court That They Are Preparing For A New Impeachment

HouseofRepSealOn Monday, the House Democrats filed a brief that with the Supreme Court that the House was actively pursuing new articles of impeachment against President Donald Trump including “the possible exercise of improper political influence over recent decisions made in the Roger Stone and Michael Flynn prosecutions, both of which were initiated by the special counsel.” The argument is meant to justify the continued demand for redacted grand-jury material from the now closed Special Counsel investigation into the Russian collusion investigation.

I have long supported the congressional demands for documents withheld by the Trump Administration as well as witnesses, including in my testimony during the House impeachment.  The ability to acquire grand jury material turns on whether an impeachment is a “judicial proceeding” under Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 6 (e).  The district court and the court of appeals ruled that it does and that the House is entitled to the material. However, the House is arguing that this request is not moot after the acquittal of President Trump at the Senate impeachment trial.

Thus, the House is arguing that

“The [House Judiciary] Committee’s investigation did not cease with the conclusion of the impeachment trial. … The withheld material remains central to the Committee’s ongoing investigation into the President’s conduct. If this material reveals new evidence supporting the conclusion that President Trump committed impeachable offenses that are not covered by the articles adopted by the House, the committee will proceed accordingly — including, if necessary, by considering whether to recommend new articles of impeachment.”

The House specified its continuing impeachment inquiry:

“The Committee’s investigation continues today and has further developed in light of recent events. For example, the Committee is investigating the possible exercise of improper political influence over recent decisions made in the RogerStone and Michael Flynn prosecutions, both of which were initiated by the SpecialCounsel.
See Letter from Jerrold Nadler, Chairman, H. Comm. on the Judiciary, et al. to Michael E. Horowitz, Inspector General, U.S. Dep’t of Justice (May 8, 2020),https://perma.cc/799D-2PNY. The Committee has announced its intention to hold a hearing with the Attorney General—who has failed to appear before the Committee at any point on any topic during his tenure—on these issues as soon as possible.”
The inclusion of the Stone and Flynn cases blurs the line between what is an oversight and an impeachment interest.  It is hard to see a credible impeachment claim arising out of either case.  The Stone case involves a change in a sentencing recommendation while Flynn involves a motion to dismiss the case entirely. However, both cases garnered criticism long before the actions of the Justice Department and fall squarely within the area of prosecutorial discretion.  While the House has strong claims to evidence sought by committees, its claim of a perpetual impeachment are forced and artificial.  It also raises the uncomfortable prospect for the Court of a claim of impeachment authority to trump executive privileges and challenges.  The position of the House seems to be that we are able to claim the ultimate level of deference in such demands simply because we say that we have seeking a possible impeachment.  This concern is magnified by the position of Speaker Nancy Pelosi, in long refusing an impeachment vote, that she could unilaterally trigger such powers in a simple press conference.
I have previously criticized the House for its slipshod and abbreviated impeachmentprocess.  That record could become more relevant in this litigation where justices may generally support the right of the House to such evidence but remain skeptical of the fluid use of impeachment to justify such demands.

Here is the House filing to the Supreme Court

197 thoughts on “The Perpetual Impeachment: House Democrats Tell The Supreme Court That They Are Preparing For A New Impeachment”

    1. But you repeat yourself.

      Just wait until Mr. Seth Warner (or one/some of his numerous aliases) graces us with his oracular wisdom. Typically, that involves him taking an exactly-opposite position to Mr. Turley, posting walls of unrelated text from irrelevant sources, and demonstrating his stunning competence in flinging poo–prodigious, colossal, and mind-numbing quantities of poo.

      1. and demonstrating his stunning competence in flinging poo–prodigious, colossal, and mind-numbing quantities of poo.

        Which is why God invented Chloroquine

        What is this drug used for?
        • It is used to treat or prevent malaria.
        • It is used to treat a type of bowel infection.
        • It may be given to you for protection against online trolls and other reasons. Talk with the doctor.

        Mechanism of Action

        Antimalarial: Binds to and inhibits DNA and RNA polymerase; interferes with metabolism and hemoglobin utilization by parasites; inhibits prostaglandin effects; chloroquine concentrates within parasite acid vesicles and raises internal pH resulting in inhibition of parasite growth; may involve aggregates of ferriprotoporphyrin IX acting as chloroquine receptors causing membrane damage; may also interfere with nucleoprotein synthesis.

        Antiviral (coronavirus disease 2019 [COVID-19]): Not fully understood; however, it may change the pH at the cell membrane surface and inhibit viral fusion. It may also inhibit glycosylation of viral proteins (Wang 2020).

        Antitroll (TDS Seth Warner dba Sybil personalities): makes them deranged, fulminant explosive diarrhea and Linda Blair Exorcism contortions

        Covered by Obamacare

        Source: Uptodate

  1. Lessons learned from Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter.
    The Dum’s think of all points of view opposite of theirs needs to be destroyed.
    The Rep’s think of all points of view as ‘OK, I don’t agree, but ur entitled.

    Which side has freedom of speech? Duh.

    1. Freedom of speech as a sort of shared cultural value is going away. There is total intolerance coming from the Democrat leadership cabal. They are pursuing a strategy of informational warfare waged inside of the American nation. In this they have the big platforms youtube, etc, in their pockets. They are on NPR this morning talking about how to suppress conspiracy theories and by that they clearly meant any number of different Republican “narratives” that they dont like. This was government radio talking about how to increase censorship on private platforms! Republicans and patriots and “constitutionalists” need to wake up. This is a non-kinetic civil war along various dimensions including information warfare.

      Republicans, not as narrow partisans but more importantly, the American heartland people, of whatever party, need to figure this out and get with the program. In the next decade control of technological tools will be the decisive factor not “truth” or “reason.”

      It’s important to grasp this truth– that part of what makes you think something is true in the first place, was power in the first instance. Not some pure disembodied reason.

      Understand power itself can literally dictate truth. Perhaps not facts, per se, but truth, to a point.

      This is not a new insight. It goes back to the first caveman who established order over his fellows and dependents. It is in the words of Thrasymachus.

      It is even inside Christian tradition. Oh, I know that will make people angry, but i will give you the text

      In Matthew 16:19, Jesus says to Peter, “I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on Earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on Earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

      What does that mean? think about it and think hard.

      1. One guesses Kurtz’s apocalyptic warning is about Google or Facebook, both private businesses with more than substantial impact nationally and internationally. It might hurt his paranoia, but FB just recently turned down a fairly mild anti-Trump ad from the never Trump group The Lincoln Project because Politifact challenged the use of one quote! Heavens to mercy, cover the children’s eyes!

        My opinion is those groups should do what they want as long as it’s legal.

        1. I mean these businesses should do what they want and buyer beware.

        2. Bythebook, exactly what do you mean that as long as it’s legal, it’s OK. Are you ignoring these mantra’s of free speech for me, none for thee; legal rights for me, none for thee, etc. Aren’t you forgetting this important aspect, and many others, by those who want to kill the Bill of Rights?

          1. delmaracer, I meant illegal activities like facilitating criminal operations or intentionally publishing classified materials. In my opinion, as private businesses, editorial content is their business, not the governments either way.

        3. Sure, Alphabet and Facebook. Duopoly controlling all kinds of other lesser companies. They have social media totally locked down and it’s still not enough for your side. That’s why the experts were discussing it on NPR this morning, how to lock down social media ‘megaphones” even harder.

          The First amendment is not enough to deal with this problem. It must be understood, ironically, with the tools of Marxism. Essentially, billionaires hate Trump, and they own private media assets which are out to get him. Like Bezos who hates Trump and dictates battle against him from his generals at the Washington post.

          The only tool that can be used quickly to tame these oligarchs is antitrust law. And it has begun. They better ramp it up fast.

          https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-google/state-ags-justice-department-discuss-google-antitrust-probe-idUSKBN1ZY2OD

          This is social, economic, and information warfare. All conservatives need to outgrow their Enlightenment fancies asap. Don’t worry too much about freedom freedom freedom. Endless individualism is a social poison that makes us all into a herd of cats. The pack of wolves will eat a herd of cats for breakfast.

          What matters now is solidarity, discipline, and focus. the focus is that the “deplorables” here must orient themselves towards teamwork in supporting American national economic interests against all foes domestic and foreign, and to support the leadership of the POTUS Donald J. Trump.

          1. So, The Lincoln Project is in on Kurtz’s revolution? They had an ad blocked on FB.

  2. I posted this the other day. Some of the shills are here supposedly because they “like to argue.” That can become a mental disorder for some people. Since I do not want to become an emotional tampon for them to soothe whatever feelings of insecurity they have, I seldom interact with them. Plus, it is pointless. As is pointedly pointed out in this article:
    —————–
    If so, [un-named shill] may have an Argumentative Personality Disorder! Remember, he said he liked to ARGUE – not discuss or interact with, or even learn. This is a personality of Control Freaks. Sooo from an article on these unhappy and disturbed individuals:

    The Argumentative Personality

    Negatives

    Here’s what’s not so great about the Argumentative Personality:

    Habitual ‘argument stokers’ can drive you crazy, especially when you live or work with them; it’s hard to have a conflict-free conversation with them, even about trivial matters.

    Many, if not most, of them have strong narcissistic tendencies; in other words, they are very self-absorbed.

    They have little, or hardly any, insight into how their behaviours impact others.

    When they come across people whose views differ from their own, they feel threatened, and go on the defensive.

    They are chronic blamers: others, or the world, [or Trump] are always at fault.

    It’s almost impossible to get them to consider your views – in their mind they are always right.

    People who constantly argue seek control and power over others. You cannot reason with them, so it’s best to withdraw from an argument than try to prove them wrong.

    What can I do if I am an Argumentative Personality?

    Seek professional help from a counsellor. You can change if you are willing to explore the deeper meaning behind your argumentative nature. It is possible that you lack confidence and a sense of self-worth, and seek it through aggression and arguments; counselling can help you resolve this.

    When you begin to feel true confidence, the need for arguments and conflict will start to abate. Everyone uses some type of defence mechanism to protect themselves emotionally, so there’s nothing wrong with this; the problem is that your defence mechanism is an outdated one that probably served you well in the distant past. The challenge is in unlearning this old defence mechanism and replacing it with a new, constructive one.

    https://healthpsychologyconsultancy.wordpress.com/2013/08/21/the-argumentative-personality/
    —————-
    In other words, [un-named shill] is a control freak a-hole, who “argues” just to make himself feel better. He will not listen to others, and arguing with him is like arguing with hormonal woman – pointless. He argues to fill an emotional need, and the whole point for him is to keep an argument going for the sake of argument, not as a means of resolution of an issue. So, they throw out “argument bait” – something designed to get somebody to give them the attention they need, and to provide an audience for them to play in front of. It is a sick thing! Most of us here are from Mars, and [un-named shill] is from Venus. Or Uranus.

    Squeeky Fromm
    Girl Reporter

      1. Thanks! I really do believe some people are like “argument traps”, and once you enter in, you are stuck. While you want to prove or disprove a point, their whole point is to keep you there engaged with them for emotional reasons.

        Squeeky Fromm
        Girl Reporter

        1. I most often make a post, then leave the blog. Their reply has 0 value to me.

        2. “Emotional Tampon” is the name of my Joan Jett and the Blackhearts cover band!

          Also: surely *THIS* will be the scandal that finally brings down the Bad Orange Man(tm). C’mon Charlie Brown, try to kick that football just one more time!

  3. Stalinist Democrats.

    Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime, Lavrentiy Beria Stalin’s Chief of Secret Police.

    Where did the Party of Truman and JFK go? Hijacked by Marxist.

    Remember in November!

  4. This is literally all the impeachment party has done the last four years.
    You’d think they’d be better at it by now –
    or at least have some kind of a handle on the process.

    1. Prior to forcing oversight of the billions that was being handed out by the Virus bills, the House passed more than 400 bills which McConnel failed to take up.

      1. Because all bills coming from the house are garbage.. leftist commie garbage.

    2. Yes, one would think so. But the way Nadler sees this is that Shiffy failed miserably at impeachment, because he was so unliked and some lies were exposed during the impeachment.
      Now Nadler thinks he can do better.

      Personally I would like the outcome to be nothing less than a full sweep of the House and Senate. Sorta like President Reagan did on his reelection.

  5. JT writes:

    “….The inclusion of the Stone and Flynn cases blurs the line between what is an oversight and an impeachment interest. It is hard to see a credible impeachment claim arising out of either case. The Stone case involves a change in a sentencing recommendation while Flynn involves a motion to dismiss the case entirely. However, both cases garnered criticism long before the actions of the Justice Department and fall squarely within the area of prosecutorial discretion….”

    Except both cases involve presidential cronies, were taken over by a presidential appointee and his own cronies without career prosecutors, and Flynn is exactly the kind of case envisioned by the commission – with SC input – in the hearings which produced Rule 48 and “leave of the court” requirements in the 1940s: Dismissals by a federal prosecutor which smells of cronyism.

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3599674

    “Abstract
    The conventional view of Rule 48(a) dismissals distinguishes between two types of motions to dismiss: (1) those where dismissal would benefit the defendant, and (2) those where dismissal might give the Government a tactical advantage against the defendant, perhaps because prosecutors seek to dismiss the case and then file new charges. In United States v. Flynn, the Department of Justice argues that Rule 48(a)’s “leave of court” requirement applies exclusively to the latter category of motions to dismiss; where the dismissal accrues to the benefit of the defendant, judicial meddling is unwarranted and improper. In support, the Government relies on forty-year-old dicta in the sole U.S. Supreme Court case interpreting Rule 48(a), Rinaldi v. United States. There, the Court stated that the “leave of court” language was added to Rule 48(a) “without explanation,” but “apparently” this verbiage had as its “principal object . . . to protect a defendant against prosecutorial harassment.”

    But the Government’s position—and the U.S. Supreme Court language upon which it is based—is simply wrong. In fact, the “principal object” of Rule 48(a)’s “leave of court” requirement was not to protect the interests of individual defendants, but rather to guard against dubious dismissals of criminal cases that would benefit powerful and well-connected defendants. In other words, it was drafted and enacted precisely to deal with the situation that has arisen in United States v. Flynn: its purpose was to empower the Judiciary to limit dismissal in cases where the district court suspects that some impropriety prompted the Executive’s decision to abandon a case.

    To be clear, there may be good reason for the district court to grant the Government’s motion to dismiss in United States v. Flynn. But the fiction that Rule 48(a) exists solely, or even chiefly, to protect defendants against prosecutorial mischief should be abandoned. This brief Essay recounts Rule 48’s forgotten history.”

    1. What a dishonest remark: “Except both cases involve presidential cronies, were taken over by a presidential appointee and his own cronies without career prosecutors,”

      DOJ IS ALWAYS RUN BY A PRESIDENTIAL APPOINTEE

      DOJ IS RUN BY A BOSS. THE LOWEST RUNG DOES NOT BOSS BOSS.

      simple organizational reality and facts but what you have here folks are habitual liars

      1. The AG DOES NOT “ALWAYS” TAKE OVER CASES FROM LINE PROSECUTORS TO HELP PRESIDENTIAL CRONIES. HE NEVER DOES!

        FY Kurtz. I don’t lie and my statement holds.

        1. By the way, I hope you enjoy the upcoming Flynn hearings. If you missed it, the basis for Sullivan applying “leave of the court” review was discovered by research into the writing of Rule 48:

          “Abstract
          The conventional view of Rule 48(a) dismissals distinguishes between two types of motions to dismiss: (1) those where dismissal would benefit the defendant, and (2) those where dismissal might give the Government a tactical advantage against the defendant, perhaps because prosecutors seek to dismiss the case and then file new charges. In United States v. Flynn, the Department of Justice argues that Rule 48(a)’s “leave of court” requirement applies exclusively to the latter category of motions to dismiss; where the dismissal accrues to the benefit of the defendant, judicial meddling is unwarranted and improper. In support, the Government relies on forty-year-old dicta in the sole U.S. Supreme Court case interpreting Rule 48(a), Rinaldi v. United States. There, the Court stated that the “leave of court” language was added to Rule 48(a) “without explanation,” but “apparently” this verbiage had as its “principal object . . . to protect a defendant against prosecutorial harassment.”

          But the Government’s position—and the U.S. Supreme Court language upon which it is based—is simply wrong. In fact, the “principal object” of Rule 48(a)’s “leave of court” requirement was not to protect the interests of individual defendants, but rather to guard against dubious dismissals of criminal cases that would benefit powerful and well-connected defendants. In other words, it was drafted and enacted precisely to deal with the situation that has arisen in United States v. Flynn: its purpose was to empower the Judiciary to limit dismissal in cases where the district court suspects that some impropriety prompted the Executive’s decision to abandon a case.

          To be clear, there may be good reason for the district court to grant the Government’s motion to dismiss in United States v. Flynn. But the fiction that Rule 48(a) exists solely, or even chiefly, to protect defendants against prosecutorial mischief should be abandoned. This brief Essay recounts Rule 48’s forgotten history.”

          https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3599674

  6. As long as the DEM’s control the House they are going to go after TRUMP, makes no difference we are fighting a health issue and economic collapse.

    Pelosi and her band of merry Impeachers are blinded by hate of Trump. It would be great come Nov the voters say they are tired of the political fighting and the do nothing Congress and give control back to the Republicans, which would drive the Media crazy and insane.

    1. In Pelosi’s offices, the word TRUMP has been banned. She gets a kind of purple haze whenever it’s mentioned. A real syndrome alright.

  7. Well, I guess they want to see Trump win by 20, rather than 10 points. The political class is in its death throes and it’s wonderful to behold. Here’s hoping for a speedy death and a wonderful eulogy by Donald Trump. As Elon Musk said, “Take the red pill.”

    1. I think you’re overly optimistic. Our single best guess is that it’s 50-50 again and could go either way. There may be more clarity than last time in the result, because the Libertarian Party hasn’t got anyone with the prominence or seriousness of Gary Johnson to be their candidate and the NeverTrumpaloo contingent is limited to a corporal’s guard of opinion journalists (commonly on the payroll of components of the DNC steno pool) and no longer has any popular constituency.

      1. we are in a state of civil war that is non-kinetic but essentially what is called informational warfare

        it could go either way

        there will be no substitute for Trump supporters turning out like a phalanx and dragging their friends and families along together. the turnout for Trump will have to be big to create a sufficient margin of victory to overcome the subversive coup attempts that we know will come again

        most especially since nobody has been tried and duly executed for the last rounds of sabotage. long overdue and still waiting. they’re calling barr a tyrant but he’s not half the tyrant he ought to be

        if the citizens can all be locked up in their homes just like that, as we have been for a couple months now, then maybe it’s time for Trump to go fully kinetic on the coup plotters. Adopt Abraham Lincoln style measures. Trump did not strike first but he needs to accept the reality of this spectrum of conflict and turn up the heat and strike while he still can. go on the offensive along every dimension of conflict. in for a penny, in for a pound

        1. Take a pill. You have too much to lose to go on the ramparts and so do the rest of the lawyers here, but I understand the thrill of playing Johnny Combat.

          1. PS Your leader is AWOL and lacks the moral character to lead anything but a victory parade.

            1. Trump is nowhere near the tyrant he’s made out to be. That’s for sure. Maybe he will rally late in the game?

      2. TIA:

        “I think you’re overly optimistic. Our single best guess is that it’s 50-50 again and could go either way.”
        **********************
        In normal election years, I’d agree, but, I think the enthusiasm gap suggests a blowout of historic proportions. It’s all about boots in the polls. Biden looks like he can’t get untracked and 1/4 – 1/3 of his party wants somebody else to be the standard bearer. Tara Reade hurt Biden and there’s not much chance for him to recover with the lockdown. Trump’s support is solid and will grow if 2016 is any indication. He is already setting records in primary voting for an incumbent not running against anyone. Plus, the polling trends in battleground states aren’t good for Biden who likely won’t be able to campaign much in the summer. All of this suggests the polls are understating the reality on the ground. It’s a bad coalescence of circumstances for Biden who doesn’t look up to the job.

        1. 538 https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/

          President: general election Ga.
          MAY 16-18, 2020
          B/C
          Civiqs
          1,339 RV Biden
          48%
          47%
          Trump Biden +1
          President: general election Fla.
          MAY 14-17, 2020
          C/D
          Point Blank Political
          2,149 LV Biden
          52%
          48%
          Trump Biden +5
          President: general election Fla.
          MAY 14-17, 2020
          C/D
          Point Blank Political
          2,149 LV Biden
          45%
          44%
          Trump Biden +1
          President: general election Va.
          MAY 3-16, 2020
          B/C
          Roanoke College
          563 LV Biden
          51%
          39%
          Trump Biden +12
          President: general election Ariz.
          MAY 9-11, 2020
          B/C
          OH Predictive Insights
          600 LV Biden
          50%
          43%
          Trump Biden +7
          President: general election Tenn.
          APR 22-MAY 1, 2020
          B/C
          East Tennessee State University
          536 LV Biden
          36%
          53%
          Trump Trump +17

    2. Yesterday I traveled to my other university medical center in a different state, and had a chance to observe, listen and gather more data. People have tuned out national politics. Their attention is on the immediate, the proximal, the visceral. They are fearful, anxiety ridden, depressed: concern is in their eyes.

      Pelosi et al have shot themselves by focusing on their lust for power while having no passion for everyday American concerns.

      Her expensive refrigerator and pricey ice cream characterize her all too well

      1. Estovir, as a Trump promoter, you of course have the street cred to call out those with ostentatious lifestyles. Some of them work in DC to get more tax cuts for their buddies, while others work for universal health care, a higher minimum wage, help during the virus crisis for those most suffering from it.

        1. Estovir, as a Trump promoter, you of course have the street cred to call out those with ostentatious lifestyles

          As you know, Anon, at home we did not vote for Trump in 2016 nor will we in the next election. With people like you, our vote against him is absolutely meaningless since your presence accounts for 200+ votes for him.

          With any persistence your momentum might carry Marco Rubio to the White House. Only then will I thank you…and ask Marco to make me Surgeon General

    3. Remember, when you hit Trump, he hits back twice as hard. As an Independent, as much as I despise Botox Nancy, I sort of hope the balance remains as the present. I am somewhat fearful of the consequences of a Trump administration with a Republican controlled house, Senate and possibility a 6-3 split in of the SCOTUS. Romans 12:19.

      1. PH, Trump does lttle else but twitter feud, and often with those on the sidelines keeping quiet. His Resentment Party attracts those more interested in vendettas and payback than solutions to common problems..

      2. I’m an I dependent too, and I would hardly call the current situation ‘balance’. I’d love two (or more!) viable parties, believe me, but the modern DNC does not fit that description. I can’t in good conscience support them or their actions, which have careened from contrasting to absurd to legitimately concerning over the past couple of decades.

  8. It does indicate the culture of the Democratic Party is just degenerate. Judging from what comes over our Facebook wall, this sort of thing is in accord with what street-level Democrats want.

    1. STD on steroids (Sycophantic Trump Disorder). Please seek help. Maybe a daily dose of hydroxychloroquine with an injection of disinfectant as a booster will do the trick.

    1. Well, forty years ago, the left had its annoying and appalling aspects, but it was still a concatenation of people who were distinguished by a certain perspective on public policy (even if it seldom had much theoretical sophistication). Now it seems like the left is a collecting pool of every scam-artist and head case in America. Look at the people who post here. They don’t have any expressed ideas about public policy or the social order. One of them recycles a lot of copy from liberal birdcage liners and otherwise doesn’t say much that isn’t facially inane. Another dumps a mixture of falsehoods and insults in every post. With a third, it’s a mixture of falsehoods and screechy emotional rants in every post. Etc.

      1. And yet TIA, a cult follower of a “scam-artist” and typer of many consonants and vowels, is unable or unwilling to counter what he dismisses as ‘inane”, “falsehoods”, and “emotional rants”. I’m sure his many fans would just love to see him lay waste to these posting poseurs, if he only could.

    2. Don’t confuse today’s Liberalism (Progressive Marxism) with Classic Liberalism. The Party was hijacked by Marxist.

      1. Jack, I’m a Democrat since the 1960’s, not a Marxist, and have owned my own business since the late 1970’s I’m perfectly at home in today’s Democratic Party.

        1. You would make more sense if you were a Marxist. As it is, there is no coherent political philosophy behind your daily bullet point list of anti Trump remarks.

          There is a verbal strategy, but strategy is not philosophy. The ideology is just pure utilitarianism, taken from the perspective of what is the highest utility for your narrow partisan cabal, taken from a simplistic viewpoint.

          Again, you’re not a leftist. I totally get that. You are complete pragmatist and it all revolves around your own narrowly perceived situational interests. And the Democrat party leadership is just the same sort of person as you. You’re all vibrating on the same cynical wavelength.

          1. You can do better that that Kurtz. Or I hope so.

            You get it right that I am a pragmatist but based on core principles and goals which are not difficult or that unique. One can’t be a pragmatist and a Marxist after the world experience since the lat 19th century, wouldn’t you agree?

            I do hate Trump’s guts, just like most Americans, and am clear and plain in my reasons. You on the other hand are not able to explain how you manage to take him seriously or don’t choke on his constant stream of lies and bragging which you surely have noticed.

            1. No I don’t agree woith your question in paragraph 2. Marxism was eminently pragmatic for the proletariats in certain places at certain times. And it was eminently pragmatic for some capitalist financiers to make common cause with marxism to “defeat the remains of feudalism” etc which explains why Jacob Schiff loaned money to the Soviets, who fought against the feudal regime of the Czar in Russia.

              Today, foot soldiers like you do the work for Soros, for whatever reasons. You perceive your interests however you do. I can’t understand it very well, just a little.

              I understand my motivations and interests. I identify with my fellow Americans and people who live here and are stuck in the heartland like so many peasants. You identify with a more financially successful faction of American society than I do.

              let’s get this out in the open. Democrats represent the managerial elites in private and public spheres. Republicans are what Hillary called us, “deplorables,” who are free to “cling to God and guns” and so forth, because we don’t have federal contracts flowing in, or federal jobs, or berths in global business, so we don’t have to ape the manners of our social superiors. See like me: I am a nobody. Nobody cares what i think. I don’t make much money, just enough, and it all comes from a lot of little private people and not one big flow from a big business or government. So I can keep the company i like– the deplorables. and the lao bǎixìng. That is to say, the hundred old names of china. Oh i have a lot of Chinese friends, just not high level Communists! Too low for that.

              The class structure of the Democrat party is like a barbell. It is the system elites at the top calling the shots, not much in the middle, and a lot of the lumpenproles who are on the dole at the bottom.

              If there is a middle, or what is left of it,. right now clearly represented by Republican leadership under President Trump.

              And Comrade Xi, he is in bed with your party leadership, they do his bidding and lick his boots.

              The destinies of America and China are more intertwined than ever now. China is not our enemy, but the Chinese government which keeps the Chinese people captive like so many slaves, oh, they’re clearly at odds with us.

              Right now there’s a battle playing out at the World Health Assembly. Ask yourself which side are you on. You call Trump a liar but whatever little fibs he’s told pale by comparison to Comrade Xi’s regime. Stinking liars and we are getting it in the backside now as a nation and all pathetic quislings can do is shine his boots with your tongues!

              1. You live in f…g Chicago, not the mythical Heartland. I haven’t lived in a city or suburb since 1969 and much of that on a functioning farm – suburbs have moved out near me now, but I still can’t see or hear another house from my window – yeah. lucky me. I’ve worked in either agriculture or construction all that time and that’s who I rub shoulder’s with everyday regardless of politics and many are my friends, regardless of politics. You hang out in the courthouse with people who have alcohol at lunch and take their showers in the morning. Get the f..k out of here with your BS populism. Your as down to earth as Trump and I guess that explains your attraction – another phony.

                1. You need to lighten up bruh

                  Go float down Ichetucknee and cool off. My in-laws will spring a gator for you to keep you company

                2. I live near chicago, not in it. I don’t need to make it any more precise than that.

                  I am sure you have a lot of upwardly mobile connections and desire more of them. You say you were a contractor and I bet you were very successful. You might have even been a custom home builder for some high falutin global business CEOs in your area which would explain your craven adoration for “free trade”

                  you ape the tastes of those you perceive to be above you. you are a social climber. isnt that so? I can read between the lines.

                  I’m a social faller, not a climber. I am south of where I started out. I was born with a silver spoon in my mouth and fell downwards after my excellent education. Most of my important friends who have ascended socially have forgotten me. And I am happier because of it. Most of my own failures are my own fault anyways. I have sunk to a level where I do sufficiently well now that i have been humbled.

                  I am probably a little lazy. Most days I work harder than I want to. I freely admit I wish I had 6 weeks of vacation like senior civil service bureaucrats do. I barely get one week.

                  I have no ambitions to climb socially,. I will do just fine if people in the heartland have more jobs in steel mills and so forth. That’s where my interests lie. not the public sector sycophants. Not with the financialists. I leave social climbing to people like you. I have no ambitions. I just want to have some more vacation time and a stable country and world to explore. It doesn’t matter what I want, really, the world will unfold as it does.

                  1. You know nothing about me beyond what kind of businesses I’ve worked in and approximate living conditions and certainly nothing of my aspirations and I don’t want to know yours. Mind reading is your thing and you suck at it. I try to deal in facts and issues, you in fitting them into your fantasy life which you obviously spend too much time on, and which includes demons and saints. In short kids stuff. Grow up.

                    1. i guess that stung huh.

                      realize the essential truth: the Democrat party, is now dominated by financial oligarchs at the top, a lumpenprole bottom, and a thin middle of bureaucrats and sycophants.

                      but back to social climbers. oh, maybe that’s not you book. but i hear a tone that reminds me of a friend i once had

                      A close friend, not from a humble family, but a bunch of lawyers. Legal and social ties going all the way back to Lincoln’s Republican party in Illinois. A proud family, a successful one, but real lawyers and professionals who worked for a living one generation to the next. Well, he took up a different career path, made a name, and then found himself suddenly found himself ingratiated by a faction of donors with ties to Hillary. Oh, how he changed, and fast. It was so pathetic how he kneeled and kissed her pumps. Once his bosses told him where to head in and they waved the paychecks, he knew which side his bread was buttered on. He switched sides so fast it left heads spinning at how fast he had a conversion from a heartland Republican to a California liberal. This was required to bump himself up from the level of professional caste, to the social circles that billionaires keep. And he got paid and he got laid. I mean he was already doing fine, but he got a lot more of both.
                      But now when they say jump he says how high.

                      I had more than one chance to jump on that gravy train, and I gave it the finger. Maybe I didn’t like the trades that were offered to me, maybe too proud or too stubborn. But I had my limitations. Ideas held me back and always held more charm for me than money. I am lucky in so many ways. Sometimes i thought I was getting bad luck but in the long run it was good luck. So many people live in gilded cages, fenced in by other people’s expectations and the rackets that held so much charm, at least in the beginning.

                      See when I say the Democrat party is controlled by billionaires, make no mistake, that’s a fact. Not to say that there aren’t some Republican billionaires, there’s some, some of whom seem to hate Donald too. But if you counted up the big money it would be very very heavy on the Democrat side. And if you counted up the Chinese billionaires, some of whom are literal communist party members like Jack Ma, very very few would be aligned with Republicans. I can think of one. But a lot more have some heavy ties with the Democrats. This is obscure, but not too hard to verify

                      But back to America’s billionaires. A lot easier to verify. The guy who had the most billionaire backers, Joe Biden, won the primaries. Aint that funny how that works?

                      https://www.forbes.com/sites/michelatindera/2020/02/18/here-are-the-billionaires-funding-the-democratic-presidential-candidates/#7fbfb1a033f7

                      American billionaires: they mostly hate Trump too. Maybe Steve Mnuchin has pried some of them away with the Fed funny money, or maybe not. We’ll find out!

    3. Sycophantic Trump Dimwittedness (STD) is a Mental Disorder. Possible treatment: daily dose of hydroxychloroquine with a disinfectant booster shot.

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