Yes, Trump Can Order The Deployment Of D.C. Police

280px-Patch_of_the_Metropolitan_Police_Department_of_the_District_of_Columbia.svgThere has been much talk — and anger — over the reports that the Trump Administration has asserted the right to “take over” the D.C. Metropolitan Police Department.   The Washington Post is quoting D.C. Police Chief Peter Newsham as saying that the mayor “disagrees that the president has the authority to take over the police department. She believes it is a legal question to do that without her consent.” If so, she is mistaken.  It is not a “take over” but it does not require the mayor’s consent.  President Donald Trump can demand the deployment of D.C. police and the mayor is bound by law to accede to the request.

Washington is first and foremost a federal enclave and the creation of Congress.  it is subject to the limits of Home Rule and the federal government has far greater leeway in the use of personnel within its borders than other cities.

The question of such authority turns on Section 1-207.40 which states

(a) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, whenever the President of the United States determines that special conditions of an emergency nature exist which require the use of the Metropolitan Police force for federal purposes, he may direct the Mayor to provide him, and the Mayor shall provide, such services of the Metropolitan Police force as the President may deem necessary and appropriate.”

First and foremost, “emergency” is not clearly defined.  I have been a long critic of Congress creating such sweeping laws without meaningful conditions or criteria. That was the case with the National Emergencies Act, which we discussed in relation to the funding of the Southern border wall.  It is highly doubtful that a court would question whether rioting is an emergency but the law itself seems to leave that designation to the President.

Second, the law is written in mandatory terms without no qualifications. The law gives the President the discretion (“may direct”) and gives the Mayor a mandatory obligation (“shall provide”) the services specified by the President. There is nothing about Mayor Muriel E. Bowser (D) agreeing or consenting to the demand.  She must provide the services.

The most significant limitation is temporal.

“In no case, however, shall such services made available pursuant to any such direction under this subsection extend for a period in excess of 48 hours unless the President has, prior to the expiration of such period, notified the Chairmen and ranking minority members of the Committees on the District of Columbia of the Senate and the House of Representatives, in writing, as to the reason for such direction and the period of time during which the need for such services is likely to continue.”

Moreover the District often calls upon federal agencies to back up its own crowd control efforts.  For that reason, the resistance of the Mayor could prove both practically and legally dubious.

John Falcicchio, the chief of staff for Mayor Bowser, is quoted as saying that “We believe we are firm in our understanding that what was presented yesterday would not be a prudent move.” Prudence however is not an element to the law.  There is just a demand and an obligation.

This does not technically amount to a “takeover.” The D.C police would retain its command and unit structure.  D.C. is required to perform the designated task, not turn over total control.

Notably, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo yesterday referenced the same type of executive control for the very same reason: dissatisfaction with the actions of New York Mayor Bill de Blasio and failure to protect businesses and citizens: “The NYPD and the mayor did not do their job last night, I believe that.” He added that he has the authority “to displace the mayor … bring in the National Guard” and “take over” but did not believe that ‘we’re at that point.”

None of this means that such a move is needed or wise. Indeed, for Washington, it would be viewed as deeply intrusive and insulting. In other words, Bowser may be right that it would not be “prudent” but that does not really matter.

196 thoughts on “Yes, Trump Can Order The Deployment Of D.C. Police”

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  1. The covering of badges and taking off of insignia while “fortifying” the WH is an act of cowardice. I am certain this govt. and its masters hope to provoke a riot or provide one if need be. However what these cowards and illegal actions inspire is courage in the hearts and minds of our people. Our will is to the good of our nation and its people. You may have overwhelming force but you will not prevail against the love of others and one’s nation. Even as you may mow the people down with all your hideous weapons and cruelty, you will not prevail.

  2. Thank you Antifa, you are ‘innocent’, Adam Schiff said so. The FBI can find no evidence of you anywhere.

    1. “Twitter says that the account, suspended May 31, was actually connected to a white nationalist group, Identity Evropa (also known as the American Identity Movement). ‘This account violated our platform manipulation and spam policy, specifically the creation of fake accounts,’ a Twitter spokesperson told us. ‘We took action after the account sent a Tweet inciting violence and broke the Twitter Rules.’”

      But don’t let facts stop your false narrative.

        1. I’m not laughing that you’d rather believe something false than learn.

          I think it harms the country when people would rather believe something false than learn.

          If you had actual evidence that Twitter’s conclusion was false, I’d be open to changing my mind. Why aren’t you open to changing *your* mind?

            1. That article isn’t about the “ANTIFA_US” Twitter account and presents no evidence that Twitter’s conclusion was false.

              Again: If you had actual evidence that Twitter’s conclusion was false, I’d be open to changing my mind. Why aren’t you open to changing *your* mind?

                1. That isn’t the “ANTIFA_US” Twitter account either and presents no evidence that Twitter’s conclusion was false.

                  If you’re going to do nothing but deflect, I won’t waste any more time responding.

      1. antifa has been around for decades. it is real, it is violent, it is a criminal modality. it is not one group, they avoid membership lists unlike stupid kluckers. they are fluid groups which form and reform and sometimes take ad hoc shape, not unlike organized crime

        but they are worse than organized crime because their goal is disorder and overthrowing government as ideology, as opposed to simply raking in money from criminal operations

        they do profit from theft, of course, and also from donations from radical groups which pay them to cause mischief, and in that way they are liable under RICO laws as are those who hire them out fire illegal crimes

        they are also heavily penetrated by law enforcement and also private spook outfits. one wonders who and were, but of course, informant and undercover operations are, by their nature, secret

        antifa is all over the internet coordinating riot and attaching it to the george floyd cause, and they are executing on the street. nobody really doubts that fact. if people here want proof, go find it yourselves, it’s easy. don’t waste time of other folks proving that the right now it’s 9:34 pm EST. It just is. Go prove it yourself. Time wasters!

  3. Well this sounds fabulous: “…the officers enforcing a perimeter near the White House have removed all insignias and name plates that would identify themselves.” They are pushing the perimeter back from the WH. This president and the people he surrounds himself with do not believe in free speech or any other part of the First Amendment. (see Guardian live blog)

    Instead of instituting much need change in our nation, they have chosen instead to see their fellow citizens’ call for justice as a reason to commit acts of war and aggression upon us. This is completely antithetical to our Constitution.

    1. I just looked at the Antifa social media accounts that bragged about violating the curfew and jackbooting the fences, and screaming in the faces of the peace keepers.
      Throwing rocks, bottles, rotten milk, and even poisons. Lighting fires, destroying police vehicles, breaking storefront windows, looting, blocking streets, accosting anyone who looks like a Trump supporter with violence and sometimes near death and death.

      You have the war going, no one else. The war will end when you behave again. In the mean time expect your actions to produce what they do – MORE POLICE VIOLENCE AGAINST YOU.

      That’s how the world works. You block traffic, attack innocent people, accost police all over the nation, scream in their faces, chant ridiculous insults, and be a big pain in the bottom to everyone around you – and you somehow expect that police will treat your kind nicer afterwards ? You expect it ? You think it could possibly happen in a million years ?

      No, it won’t happen. Not in a million years.
      For those who didn’t hate you, they might now. For those that were easy on you with the idea of giving a break and reparations, they won’t do that as much if at all after your current disgusting stupidities all over the USA.

      It’s no way to solve anything. The jackboots just gained a lot more angry and more robust backing because that’s how things work. You’all BLEW IT.

    2. Jill–

      “they have chosen instead to see their fellow citizens’ call for justice as a reason to commit acts of war and aggression upon us. This is completely antithetical to our Constitution.”

      After what we have witnessed over the past week, it is hard to believe that anyone but a troll could interpret incredibly restrained and even non-existent police activity as “acts of war and aggression.” Not only does the Constitution guarantee free speech (with very few limits) it also recognizes private property as being worthy of constitutional protection. The so-called protesters want the free speech but could care less about anyone’s property. I am a conservative and I do not know any conservatives, including myself, who do not hold dear the right to speak freely– by everyone. The liberal crowd, including Antifa, however, is the opposite because that is the group that will not allow conservatives to give lectures on their precious campuses or allow anyone to be critical of any African American without being called a racist, or speak out against the daily barrage of left-wing propaganda. Two days ago, I could not attend the funeral service of a close, family friend because of a ten person limit that only allowed two from our family to be in the funeral home. The limit was imposed by the Austin and its very woke City Council. That very night, a large mob of “protestors” were “calling for justice” by burning cars and a homeless man’s clothes. Of course, none of the city council or the city’s police lifted a finger against the criminal mob.

      No one will ever convince me that all of this rioting was because of a convicted felon who on leaving prison abandoned his daughter in Houston and moved to Milwaukee and then continued to engage in criminal activity. Your flagship station CNN has given wall to wall coverage to Floyd’s death but did not even mention Captain’s Dorn’s death at the hands of “protesters” who stopped calling for justice long enough to rob a pawn shop and murder a retired cop.

      1. Honest, pretty sloppy thinking as you conflate protesters with rioters and arsonists and use that, along with your opposition to some ideas as justification for taking away their right to assemble and speak freely. That’s not very conservative.

        I wrote in appreciation of a post by you a couple of nights ago and ghat still holds. This latest lacks the heart and principle of that one and is just a warmed over laundry list of right wing grievances in service to an unforgivable act of bullying to stage a phony photo op. It’s not playing and deserves the scorn of well meaning citizens.

            1. Paul– So do I! Is there someone in here that I don’t know about? And if it’s bythebook I certainly will have some questions to ask and it might even impact your interest in pasties.

              1. No doubt she just happened to notice he was a post Op transgender.

                After all he….. Ill stop here… I’ve got to be careful around snowflakes & the words I say….. LOL;)

                  1. That video should be played 24/7.

                    According to Tucker there were a total of 10 unarmed blacks shot by police and died (based on WaPo archives) in 2019. The police were attacked in most of them. I think 2 remained as improper. Any killing is is regrettable but I don’t think 2 demonstrates a genocidal police department. A lot more police officers are killed every year, what about their lives? What about the life of David Dorn a black retired police captain that was killed by looters. Did the mainstream news remark about him?

                  1. G’evening Cindy.

                    Hope everything is well for your family,friends there. It’s at least under bit of control here.

                    (Our yearly see how long we can tough it out coming into summer without turning on the ac, over a 100 heat index today, . My wife & I remember the years of no ac. we made it today… drink water. LOL;) If I go more crazy online, I’m blaming it on the heat stroke)

                    I’ve been advised, by very sharp people, to keep stocking up on essentials, food, fuel, tooth paste, vitamins,TP etc.

                    (infowars/ current 60% off a lot of the products I’m going to buy anyway, but it helps fund real reporters & news we need now)

                    Yes, there are now many older people like us, but we are the brain trust to pass info down to our younger people while we fight off those that are fighting for Lucifer.

                    I could use a different word the Lucifer, but that’s really who those Rioters & many politicians are working for.

                    More Info coming, Gnite:


  4. An essay by Mike Mullen, the former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the U.S. Armed Forces:
    “I Cannot Remain Silent
    “Our fellow citizens are not the enemy, and must never become so.
    “It sickened me yesterday to see security personnel—including members of the National Guard—forcibly and violently clear a path through Lafayette Square to accommodate the president’s visit outside St. John’s Church. I have to date been reticent to speak out on issues surrounding President Trump’s leadership, but we are at an inflection point, and the events of the past few weeks have made it impossible to remain silent.
    “Whatever Trump’s goal in conducting his visit, he laid bare his disdain for the rights of peaceful protest in this country, gave succor to the leaders of other countries who take comfort in our domestic strife, and risked further politicizing the men and women of our armed forces. …”

    Glad to see him speak out.

    1. Glad they have their protest permits all in order, stay out of the streets and don’t block any vehicle or foot traffic, and remain peaceful never pushing fences or other obstacles they don’t like.

      So stay home don’t work, shelter in place, but free street swarm violent protesting neck to neck screaming is great ! Are we ready to give up the whining atheist idiocies that church pew sitting and singing is horrible and must be banned, people must be arrested… but raging screaming vomit spewing protests in chunching shoving close combat crowds are awesome and totally legal ?

      I guess the commies already run everything.

    2. Politics rears its ugly head so let’s hear another opinion.

      The Remains of an Administration
      Victor Davis HansonMay 26, 2020

      President Barack Obama during a news conference at the White House, December 16, 2016. (Carlos Barria/Reuters)
      Obama’s policies are in tatters, and the worst scandals of his White House are coming to light.
      “One is not struck by the truth until prompted quite accidentally by some external event.”
      — Kazuo Ishiguro, The Remains of the Day

      There may be a paywall preventing this article from being read.

      Each day that the Obama administration fades into the past, its wrongdoings manage to wander back into the present.

      After years of suppression, all sorts of strange events keep popping up to remind us of what little is left of the Obama years — the Susan Rice memo, Christopher Steele deleting his computer records, FBI-doctored and lost 302s, text messages wiped clean, the bizarre Obama January 5, 2017, Oval Office meeting, the ambush interview of Michael Flynn, the unmasking and leaking of redacted names swept up in reverse-targeting surveillance operations, the administration fraud perpetrated on the FISA courts. The list is so overwhelming and bizarre that it ensures that anything at any time can now appear. And the result keeps reminding Americans of how corrupt were the years between 2009 and 2017 and how untruthful was the coverage of such institutionalized wrongdoing.

      Emeritus Barack Obama now and then ventures out to go through the motions of an enfeebled defense for what is becoming an increasingly discredited administration. But his heart is not in it. His mind is elsewhere. His cause is no longer social activism and community organizing, if it ever was, but lucre and the perceived well-earned good life. The arc of his moralizing universe is long, but for the anointed like him, it apparently bends toward the just deserts of riches and material bounty.


    3. I am glad to see these guys speak out!
      Minneapolis Disaster: Fentanyl, Methamphetamine & Excited Delirium
      Law Officer ^ | June 3,2020 | Law Officer

      The death of George Floyd after an interaction with the Minneapolis Police Department has rocked the world and while everyone reading this believes that an officer that put his knee in the back of Floyd’s neck for close to nine minutes was the cause of death, the facts and evidence are anything but that.

      The Western Journal of Emergency Medicine says that “Excited delirium is characterized by agitation, aggression, acute distress and sudden death, often in the pre-hospital care setting. It is typically associated with the use of drugs Subjects typically die from a heart attack and the majority of the patients die before hospital arrival.”

      And combined with methamphetamine, studies indicate that fentanyl has a higher chance of inducing fatal hyperthermia. And it just so happens that hyperthermia has a direct correlation with excited delirium.

      Fentanyl is also unique among the opioids in its ability to cause muscle rigidity of the chest wall, diaphragm, and larynx. Known as “wooden chest syndrome,” it’s safe to say that the combination of this drug is a recipe for heart stoppage.

      The American College of Emergency Physicians’ White Paper Report on Excited Delirium Syndrome recommends two specific responses by law enforcement if they observe signs of excited delirium.

      Stating that “Deescalation does not have a high likelihood of changing outcomes significantly”

      “The subjects require physical restraint (this is because if they continue to struggle it accelerates the death) combined with emergent sedation.”

      “Once the decision to do this has been made, action needs to be swift and efficient, and performed with all responders present when feasible.”
      More at the link.

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      Girl Reporter

  5. “First and foremost, “emergency” is not clearly defined. I have been a long critic of Congress creating such sweeping laws without meaningful conditions or criteria.”

    This would also apply to the Gimp waving an upside down bible in front of a church in a photo op as well, no? If the president has the power available to him he should have to prove he’s qualified and, frankly, he’s in no way qualified to manage military/civilian relationship…

    I mean the guy who when shown photos of Seoul being as close to the North Korean border as it is openly ruminated about how the residents would just have to move? The guy who speaks in terms of s hole countries? The guy who didn’t know what the nuclear triad was when he was campaigning for office? The guy who in an interview with Chris Mathews said he was holding open his options to use nukes…in western Europe?

    In no way could Trump pass the equivalent of a drivers test for being POTUS. While he may have a shaky legal option open to him to ‘take over’ the Washington police he absolutely should not. Just because his campaign showed the Russians enough specific state data for them to ‘aid’ in his “election” does not make him qualified.

    My god, there’s no way the clod waving the bible like it’s the first time he ever saw one should be allowed to make police or military decisions. Captain Bone Spurs deserves to be bunkered in the White House until November.

      1. Not when he held it over his shoulder it wasn’t.

        Thanks for the pic though…, it’s the one shot where Floptop doesn’t look over the top insane.

        So we’re just going to leave the idea that Trump is incapable of the job alone and focus on bible position in the photo op? That’s what you have left to defend?

        1. No, I just wanted to point out you were wrong about that one factual assertion. You brought it up. I furnished proof. How about just saying, hmm, maybe I was wrong? Or you can show the pictures which support your contention. Perhaps he did show it both ways. Since you brough it up, furnish proof like i did.

          Or just admit you were repeating something you read somewhere else, if that’s all it was. hard to imagine perhaps that anybody would lie about such a trivial detail? but indeed they do at times. perhaps this time. let’s see the picture where it’s upside down. I havent seen it yet. If it exists. I showed the one I saw.

          1. You’re right. Having a hard time finding the pic of the upside down bble. My bad. I did hear that and had no reason to doubt it after Trump’s obvious attempt to lean on the symbollism of the bible without understanding what the book is getting at…

            Or that he had trouble remembering the Star Spangled Banner when on the field at football games…

            Or any of the number of verbal gaffes he makes on a regular basis.

            But while I’m short on the photographic evidence the event writ large was despicable and holow and disgusting…

            So no…, you were not simply wanting to point something out. You’re trying to defend the competence question of the president through deflection since you didn’t address my point as a whole.

            Here’s something I ran across when searching out an over the shoulder pic…


        2. There’s also a photoshopped picture floating around which shows Hitler supposedly holding a Bible just the same way. Except no such authentic image exists; again, it was photoshopped.

          This is the sort of low comedic farce that gets swallowed up whole by fish who leap on such baited hooks.

          1. And also there’s the copy of Mein Kempf on Trump’s bedstand. Lmao.

            Not sure who the fish are, Kurtz. Sounds like the carnival barker has another one on.

      2. No doubt you respond the same way — “Falsus in Unus, falsus in omnibus” — to Trump’s many false claims.

      1. Cindy you are welcome. HE is clear and accurate. Until Covid I was thinking of taking a cruise where he would be the speaker. I actually listen to both sides of the aisle but the left hand side has a lot of problems making sense. That is understandable since right now despite covid, 40 million unemployed, and major problems in the world they are focused on on black man’s death. It is a terrible incident but they ignore the thousands that die due to their poicies and they also ignore the 87 police officers deaths.

  6. LOL. Our president is unfit to hold the office, and he’s also stupid:

    “President Trump originally tried to register to vote in Florida while claiming his ‘legal residence’ was in another part of the country — Washington, D.C. — according to Florida elections records… The September 2019 registration application listed Trump’s legal residence as 1600 Pennsylvania Ave… That created a potential problem for Trump: Florida law requires voters to be legal residents of the state. … A month later, Trump resubmitted his application to use a Florida address…”

    To be clear, it’s not funny that our president is unfit and stupid. But this particular example of his stupidity made me laugh. The self-proclaimed “stable genius” isn’t very bright.

    1. You laugh too easily CTHD. A real smart aleck, so confident you are right, that you call someone far above your pay grade stupid. Now let’s take a look at the law and see how “stupid” Trump may be for trying to register where he likes.

      See, a ways back, there was a Democratic politician of good reputation named Evan Bayh, who had a series of cases about his residency, which are well known in the area of political law. You, sir, are obviously not well versed in laws concerning this subject, or you would know it too. it is what we call a “leading case.”

      Under the state law in question, there were many factors to be determined in whether or not the politician could register back in home state as a candidate or was he stuck with residency in DC where he spent nearly all his time. State court held he could register in home state, even though he was darn near all the time at his house in DC

      now Florida law, not your personal opinion, will have to consider whether Trump can register there or not. That’s called law. you might try looking into it before you presume to call Trump stupid. Feel free to brief us on Florida cases about residency if you are so sure that you are right. I’ll check back later.

      1. FFS, I wasn’t laughing about him choosing to register in FL. I was laughing that he stupidly put an **out-of-state** address on the form, when it requires that he demonstrate he’s a resident.

        1. your point was clear enough. the trifle you referred to was simply a matter of a “mailing address” which is different from a requirement of establishing an in-state physical location, which he could easily do through mar a lago.

          the other criteria besides physical location is usually something like “intent to return/ remain indefinitely”

          if you want to keep on thinking he is stupid however, you are free to do so. think whatever you like.

          1. Yes, I will continue to think he’s stupid and unfit. Because he gives us frequent evidence of it.

          2. Kurtz, CTHD has been way over his head and doesn’t recognize it. That is a definition of stupidity. He has difficulty with truth. He is a compilation of logical fallicies. Ad hominem is one of his favorite along with appeal to Ignorance splashed with the strawman argument. He frequently talks in circles.

            Worst of all he is willing to lie and put innocent people in jail to promote his ideology. I am still waiting for the in context statements Flynn made to prove Flynn should go to jail. Jots of talk from CTHD but very little of substance.

            1. Gainesville is currently using three sock-puppets. As for Shill, I’ve lost track.

              1. I think at least 2. Do you wish to expand on your thoughts? Shill is presently has drastically reduced his numbers.

      2. Trump may not use Maralago as his home address. Under some finagling or another to gain a zoning or tax advantage he declared Maralago a business, and specifically not a residence.

  7. CIA Analysts Note Trump Behaves Like Imploding Strongman.

    The scenes have been disturbingly familiar to CIA analysts accustomed to monitoring scenes of societal unraveling abroad — the massing of protesters, the ensuing crackdowns and the awkwardly staged displays of strength by a leader determined to project authority.

    In interviews and posts on social media in recent days, current and former U.S. intelligence officials have expressed dismay at the similarity between events at home and the signs of decline or democratic regression they were trained to detect in other nations.

    “I’ve seen this kind of violence,” said Gail Helt, a former CIA analyst responsible for tracking developments in China and Southeast Asia. “This is what autocrats do. This is what happens in countries before a collapse. It really does unnerve me.”

    Edited from: “CIA Veterans Who Monitored Crackdowns Abroad See Troubling Parallels In Trump’s Handling Of Protests”

    These first 3 paragraphs say it all: ‘Trump looks like a buffoonish dictator amid a popular uprising’. And I suspect a lot of Americans would like to see Trump besieged by an angry mob.

    That photo op, at the damaged church, will go down in history as the most ham-fisted attempt by a U.S. President to look strong in the face of chaos. Trump looked instead like a delusional sociopath who needs to leave at once for his inevitable exile in Russia.

    Last night I saw an interview with the Episcopal Bishop of Washington who said Trump never contacted the church regarding his photo op. He never expressed any sincere regrets about the damage to said church. He never paused to talk with protesters or listen to what they were saying.

    Early in his presidency it was totally clear that Trump had no grasp of what ‘Moral Authority’ means with regards to his office. Without Moral Authority a president is useless when events degenerate as they have these past few days. America now looks like a rotting empire in its final days.

    1. well, it’s comforting to know that the CIA alumni are continuing to harass and annoy the lawful head of government, from their positions in civil society,

      in other nations might call this sabotage or perhaps treason, but in America we celebrate this as “freedom!”

      we know the CIA alumni of John Kennedy’s day didn’t much like him, either.

      my i cant wait to see what the 4th of July will bring., Seems like this will be a long hot summer

    2. King University, located in Bristol, Tennessee, is in the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains.
      I will be teaching a new class in Chinese history and politics in the Spring 2016 semester.
      campus is two miles from the center of Bristol, a city of 45,000 residents.

    3. The CIA hired Michael Scheuer, Aldrich Ames, and John Brennan, all of whom received many promotions.

  8. Turley, you didn’t discuss the other qualifier: “for federal purposes”. What “federal purposes” are served by using a National Guard helicopter to harass and intimidate peaceful protesters, or to clear a path for a fake POTUS who wants to pose in front of a church with a Bible for campaign purposes?

    In any event, local DC police have always had the situation in hand and the crowds were not out of control.. We all know what the real reason is: the fat, impotent election cheater reality TV host wants to assert the power he stole to prove how macho he is after reports surfaced that he hid in a bunker like the little sissy girl he really is. Today, he’s trying to claim that he only went to the bunker to inspect it. More lies from the pathological liar. Turley: why don’t you address this pattern of constant lying?

    Today the Secretary of Defense gave a press conference in which he confirmed that he didn’t know Trump was demanding that the crowd be cleared in Lafayette Park so he could engage in a photo op for his campaign. He claimed that the DOD is investigating where the order came from to use a National Guard helicopter to intimidate a crowd of peaceful protesters. Does anyone believe that it would take more than 2 minutes to figure this out?

    Turley’s use of “rioting” to describe what happened in DC is untrue. There haven’t been any “riots”.

    1. Natacha: Great post! I especially liked the closing line: “There haven’t been any ‘riots’.”

      The moon is made out of cheese
      Water is actually dry
      The Easter Bunny is real
      There really are monsters under my bed
      Epstein killed himself, and
      Socialism works

      1. Here we see the blatant dishonest of the usual chorus of Democratic party cheerleaders in action.

        And like the proverbial man who smacks another, as he himself cries out in pain, they call trump a liar

  9. “Bowser may be right that it would not be ‘prudent’ but that does not really matter.”

    Wow. It matters to all of the people who are being attacked by law enforcement in DC, often without provocation, as occurred when LE used teargas, batons, shields, … to clear protesters out of Lafayette Park out before Trump’s photo op in front of St. John’s church.

    It matters to the Australian government, whose foreign minister has asked the Australian Embassy in DC to investigate after LE officers attacked two Australian journalists in DC without provocation and who wants to “register[] Australia’s strong concerns” about the attack. Here’s what happened from the perspective of the Australian journalists:
    And from the perspective of a bystander:

    In slow motion, where you can see both were hit with batons:

    And there are plenty of other reports about this, such as this first-hand account about LE attacking clergy on St. John’s Church property:
    And this first-hand account by a reporter who was there:

    How truly disgusting to suggest that it doesn’t matter whether Trump’s deployment — not only of DC police, but of National Guard, CBP officers and other federal LE, … — is “prudent,” as if the way in which they’re being deployed and the actual effects on people is irrelevant.

    1. Committ – the Australians still has to explain Downer’s actions. I wouldn’t worry about a silly reporter. Collateral damage.

      1. If you, personally, do not care about police hitting peaceful people with batons and do not care about physical attacks on the press by the government, when our Founders specifically chose to highlight the importance of the press in the First Amendment, then shame on you.

        1. Committ – my understanding is that the Australian press is as bad as the US press. Rioters were hitting the press, why shouldn’t the police? Fair is fair.

          1. “Rioters were hitting the press”

            Go ahead and prove that protesters hit either of those Australian journalists on June 1 at Lafayette Park or, for that matter, that protesters hit any other members of the press on June 1 at Lafayette Park.

            “Rioters were hitting the press, why shouldn’t the police? Fair is fair.”

            You think that if someone breaks the law, it’s “fair” for the police to break the law?!? Wow. I believe that the police are always supposed to abide by the law regardless of what others do. Yet another example of the extent to which your and my opinions differ.

              1. I won’t play your game were you refuse to present proof of your claim (“Rioters were hitting the press”) when asked, yet want me to present proof. If you want proof from me, you also have to be willing to present it yourself for your own claims. Moreover, if you want me to present proof of something I actually said, quote it, don’t substitute something I didn’t say.

        2. I care!!! I like batons and I don’t think people should break them over hard-headed people. I also don’t think they should set them on fire and twirl. The batons that is. The people- eh- not so much.

          Squeeky Fromm
          Girl Reporter

      1. The land cannot be retrocessed to MD without approval from both Congress and the MD legislature. Not sure why you think they’d both approve.

    2. If you find Professor Turley so “disgusting” then feel free to “commit to honest discussion” elsewhere

      and dont let the door hit ya where God split ya!

      1. I bet you’re smart enough to understand the difference between a person and that person’s opinion, and that I called his statement — not him as a person — disgusting. Am I right?

        1. Facts and opinions that are not of their bubble are not allowed. It seems that right-wing people who have a disdain for democracy love to hang out on a self described Obama voter lawyer’s blog site.

          1. I am with you guys now on abortion. let’s get more PP clinics into the ghetto, now, stat!

            feel free to pick on the Christian churches now too. I m sick of turning the other cheek anyhow. i’ve decided it’s a bad habit and time for regular law abiding Americans to start thinking like they did in the Old Testament. maybe the ACLU isnt so bad after all?

            I can see from this incident the churchmen are ingrates and apologizers for rioting. maybe they need to start paying their fair share of taxes, if they’re going to wade into politics all the time, and want to criticize Trump for waving their Book like it’s their trademarked property. I always suspected they were for-profit anyhow and the reaction of certain mouthy clerics yesterday proves it to me.

    3. NBC News: “Two U.S. Park Police officers who were seen clubbing and punching Australian journalists in video footage from a demonstration outside the White House have been placed on administrative duty, officials said.”

      Matthew Yglesias: “It’s great that the Australian government stands up for its citizens’ rights and gets results. If only Americans could say the same.”

  10. Yes, it does matter. Protests are happening precisely because our Constitution does not matter to the president, the congress, the supreme court, most of US governors, mayors or commissioners.

    Both Barr and Trump violated their oath to the Constitution, along with Esper, when they attacked peaceful protesters so the president could run down to a church and have Ivanka loot a bible from that church for him to stand with for a photo op. After violating his oath, having his fellow citizens attacked by “law” enforcement while lawfully engaged in peaceful protest , Trump proclaimed himself god of law and order. If that is true he should submit himself for arrest.

    JT, I notice that you very seldom take on the big issues which we confront in our nation. You used to do that but no more.

      1. No mespo, peaceful protesters don’t set fire to churches, nor are those who are peaceful protesters responsible for them.

        And these are the guys who claim to stand for individual rights and against a federal police state. All too happy to flip any supposed principle to support Dear Leader.

        1. I have recently been dusting off some of my old Marxist readings and considering the subject of postmodernism, perhaps inspired by the success of Mayor Pete in the primary. You know Mayor Pete’s daddy was an expert on the Italian Communist Gramsci.

          The impressive thing about both postmodernism as a way of thinking, and of the Democrat Leftists strategists who have implemented it— is the relentless focus on joint, collective action, on coordination, on team work. That’s a powerful idea! They take it to an almost insane level, such like as we see here where folks come in all the time, daily, with their aggressive talking points, their disciplined Democratic party cheerleading, their irrelevant distractions carefully tailored to remove attention from where it might naturally drift, and with their strategic and concerted lies against POTUS Trump. Amazing focus and discipline!

          I think it’s time that Republicans get a grip on the concept of collective action.

          See if they can rid themselves of the delusional social atomizing ideology of individualism that international capital uses to neutralize the common law abiding and working folk of America into failing to act in concert with their interests in politics.

          I realize my former liberterian friends will not like this talk, but we need to look for tools that actually work, instead of the failed tropes of the past, which have been exposed for their weaknesses

          See, martial arts gyms and movies, have fooled people into thinking that one guy can defend anything against a small group of aggressors. It’s actually impossible. Two guys of average fitness can easily defeat today’s baddest bruce lee, just by one guy tackling him and the second guy stomping on his head like a rotten canteloupe.

          I am evolving and come to believe that only joint, concerted action is what can provide long term security for law abiding and productive Americans. What’s stood in our way, is the cowboy mentality, the rugged individual, the loner, all that nonsense.

          The ancient Greeks had a saying

          “Eis Aner, Oudeis aner” — one man, no man

          time for Americans of good will, to come together, and learn to act in concert.

      2. No. Peaceful protesters are actually peaceful.

        There was no fire at St. John’s Church on the day that Trump did his photo op in front of the church.

        Mariann Budde (Episcopal Bishop, Diocese of Washington DC) that evening:
        “Tonight President just used a Bible and a church of my diocese as a backdrop for a message antithetical to the teachings of Jesus and everything that our church stands for. To do so, he sanctioned the use of tear gas by police officers in riot gear to clear the church yard. The President did not come to pray; he did not lament the death of George Floyd or acknowledge the collective agony of people of color in our nation. He did not attempt to heal or bring calm to our troubled land. The Bible teaches us to love God and our neighbor; that all people are beloved children of God; that we are to do justice and love kindness. The President used our sacred text as a symbol of division. We are followers of Jesus. In no way do we support the President’s incendiary response to a wounded, grieving nation. We stand with those seeking justice for the death of George Floyd through the sacred act of peaceful protest.”

          1. “you never heard of him”

            You shouldn’t pretend that you can read my mind. Because you cannot.

            Your claim is false. I learned about it several days ago when I read this comment about it:

            He also explains why the two situations aren’t analogous. Do you understand why having bystanders there videotaping and their videos being released immediately makes a difference?

            “his name was Troy Timpa”

            You mean “Tony,” not “Troy.”

            “the police laughed at him as he died”

            And that disgusts me too.

    1. Relax, Jill. It was an Episcopalian church: they haven’t had bibles on the premises for years now. (Kidding. Can’t we remember a time when levity was commonly used in normal conversation?)

      I would point out that the rioting and looting predate Mr. Trump’s “run[nig] down to a church” and therefore can not be used as a pretext. Also, I think many folks would be amused at images of Trump running….well, anywhere. Lastly, I wonder why you hedged your comments by adding “[i]f that were true”? After such forceful condemnations, it seems odd that you would question your own assertions.

      1. ky, it is not disputable that the administration had a peaceful protest – it was on camera for at least an hour – aggressively and violently dispersed from a public park so the President could use the park for a photo op. Several hundred citizens had their rights abridged and with physical aggression so another citizen could stage a phony and unannounced stunt.

        You OK with that? What would you have done if there in the crowd? I might be in jail because it was BS.

        1. If you’ve ever been in DC when the President, or most any dignitary, for that matter, is out and about, the streets are cleared of crowds and traffic for at least a block. Lafayette Square is across the street from the White House, and, therefore, in the immediate vicinity of St. John’s; and, given the hostility expressed toward the President by many of the protestors, it was prudent to clear the Square for security purposes.

          1. Trump did not ask permission of St. John’s and some of their clergy — on church grounds — were attacked in order to clear the church grounds before Trump walked over for his photo op. Trump’s actions were disrespectful of the church.

            What would have been “prudent” is for Trump to have requested permission from the Church leadership before deciding to use it for his photo op.

          2. This, at least, has some basis in reality — as opposed to Rubio’s silly twitter post that protesters became violent right when Trump wanted his photo op

            Clearing an area for a photo-op would be prudent, but not when a peaceful protest within an already volatile situation is going on.

            People who can’t bring themselves to admit that Trump at the very least made an ass out of himself need to take a deep breath.

            1. Clearing a site for a photo op usually means an announced plan and cordoning off the area well before hand.

              Rubio is a complete Trump owned hack. Handed him his scrotum as a security when he decided he still wanted to be in the Senate. Virtually all the GOP Senators did.

            2. “Clearing an area for a photo-op” also isn’t prudent when that photo-op is on private property and the President not only didn’t seek the Church’s permission to use their property but is actively engaged in activity that the Church finds offensive, and when the police attacked clergy on church grounds to clear them away, when the clergy have every right to remain peacefully on their own property.

              1. they didn’t have any rights during Covid because that was a public emergency which suspended those rights. so they shut them down, sorry charlie, public health

                public order measures during riots are kind of like public health measures during covid crisis. it’s just gotta happen, sorry. feel free to file a lawsuit if you don’t like what happened. meanwhile, police powers are going to be exercised in the common good.

                see the logic now? silver linings on every cloud folks. glass half full!

                1. You refer to “public order measures during riots,” but there was no riot in Lafayette Park on June 1 when Trump had the square and church property cleared for his photo op.

                  I choose to be honest. When I realize I’ve made a mistake, I admit it. How about you?

        2. Book, What do you think I was disputing?

          I was pointing out that Jill was using PRE-hoc, ergo propter hoc by citing Mr. Trumps’s “run” as evidence that “our Constitution does not matter to the president[…]” and that the “Protests are happening precisely because” of his disregard for the Constitution.

          In other words, people were protesting before the SS and DC police cleared the area. Therefore they could not possibly have been protesting the area being cleared, because it hadn’t happened yet.

          Nothing in my comments disputed anything except the timing of the events. Nor do they claim whether the protests were peaceful or not. I was simply pointing out a logical fallacy.

          As to what I’m OK with, or what I would have done? Here’s how my dad, Mr. KyDave Sr., taught me:
          1. You’re not going to win an argument with a cop–they have the authority and you do not
          2. If you think you want to argue with a cop, go back to number 1
          3. Just do what the cop tells you to do, whether you think it’s right or not
          4. If you think you’re in the right, go back to number 3, hire a lawyer, then sue the cop
          5. If it turns out you’re in the wrong, go back to number 3. hire a lawyer, and try to get out of it

          When a man (or woman) with a badge tells you to do something, you do it. When a man (or woman) with a badge yells at you to do something, you do it quickly. I don’t care if it’s BS or not. I would much rather have my day in court as the petitioner than the defendant. If I’m told to disperse, I’ll disperse. I’ll disperse like nobody’s ever dispersed. The greatest, maybe of all time, dispersement you’ve ever seen.

          1. kydave40601…..Exactly! From 8yrs old on, I was raised in Houston.. Ours was a white, law abiding, god fearing, Republican, Southern Baptist middle class home. And when I was about 12, my father sat us all down and gave us a sermon on how to act in the presence of a policeman….much like what your father told you. I was shocked that daddy even assumed we might one dsy need to know how to conduct ourselves around law enforcement. We had already been taught to respect our elders, and those in authority. We had impeccable manners, if I say so myself😊But he was wise enough to know that it was possible for kids to change, and be pressured in to “smarting off” around adults and authority.
            I believe black kids in poor neighborhoods are encouraged to mouth off to police and call them names. Hell, Black Lives Matter do that during their ” parades”…They are SO stupid. Who yells obscenities at a cop with a gun?!

            1. Well, that’s 2 who are ready to be pushed around by cops while peacefully exercising their constitutional rights.

              The Lafayette crowd might have had 1/15th blacks, were all young, were not yelling or throwing anything, were not advancing, and the cops moving on Barr’s order did not ask them to leave or tell them where to go. There was no one on a megaphone asking their attention or describing the plan. Just physical aggressiveness. This just stupid policing guaranteed to radicalize more who don’t like being bullied.

              But hey, Ky and Cindy would be just fine with it and are now because Trump.

              1. btb…………….when you try to sit in an adult-sized chair, I’ll bet that your little saddle oxford feet can’t touch the floor, they just hang there and dangle.

          2. You have a catch 22 here in that part of what the protests are about is that your step number 4 has turned into an illusion — assuming you can hire a lawyer in the first place.

          1. Of course you are Kurtz. All the freedom and anti-government line is just BS. Brute government force against your enemies is what you sell here..

            1. I’m evolving Book. that’s the great thing about free speech, i can say one thing one day, and another thing the next. i’m free! wheeeeee!~

      2. kydave40601……..LOL…True! During my spiritual tenure as an Episcopalian, I never saw a Bible ( except the one used as a prop).
        Loved your comment.

    2. I laugh at the false characterizations of Mr Trump’s visits to religious locations yesterday.

      These idiotic clerics criticizing Trump are fools and ingrates. These blackrobes should be glad he visits them at all.

      For my part, I am OK with Trump not coddling the religious. Maybe they need tax audits for interfering in politics. And their doctrines, whew. don’t get me started. Ater this past week?

      I feel like we should triple funding to Planned Parenthood too. The more access to contraception and abortion in these rotten urban locations the better. The less future rioters the better.

      Catholic Church doesn’t like that? Ok, let the RICO suits rip against them too for hiding & helping sexual criminals all these decades. They better clean up their own act before they start tut tutting Trump. That’s my view.

      What do they matter now anyhow? They are afraid to even hold services. Are they so busy praying for us from their secure cloisters that we should care at all what they think?

      1. Kurtz must be the only American who thinks Trump is devout, or more likely doesn’t care. Dear Leader must be obeyed.

        1. he’s a presbyterian as many of our greatest Americans have been, people of partly Scottish heritage

          I actually could care less if he is devout or not

          I used to be and then i reconsidered. but i still like the Bible.

          Last months’ reading was the slaughter of Jerhico and Amalek.
          Last week’s reading was from Revelation, about treading the winepress and the rivers of blood. Did you catch it?

          Yesterday i shared from the OT, book of Habbakuk

          Here’s today’s reading from the Book, book, Psalms 68:

          20. “Our God is a God who saves; from the Sovereign LORD comes escape from death.

          Surely God will crush the heads of his enemies, the hairy crowns of those who go on in their sins.

          The Lord says, “I will bring them from Bashan; I will bring them from the depths of the sea,
          that you may plunge your feet in the blood of your foes, while the tongues of your dogs have their share.”

          1. that’s a charming image, isn’t it? Washing one’s feet in the blood of your foes, and letting your dogs lick up their share of it? Man, there’s a lot to enjoy in the Holy Bible!

            That’s what Trump was telling me when he held it up. The Book, book! Read it and find out!

  11. Here we have Representative Eliot Engel. Democrat from New York. Chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee. Been in the House for 30 plus years.

    “….Tuesday after he repeatedly asked to speak at a Bronx news conference on protests over the killing of George Floyd, then said into a hot microphone, “If I didn’t have a primary, I wouldn’t care.”

    I wonder how many people in the House have his general overall attitude? He has after all been “serving the people” for 30 plus years.

  12. Clever how JT spins into an inconsequential controversy out of a disgusting incident of raw and cynical power by our president and the even more controversial threat to violate posse comitatus. Nah, no important legal issues there, and besides, all the 2nd amendment loving posters here would never stand for the feds sending armed troops against citizens.

    I happened to see the entire DC episode from about 30 minutes before they began moving the protesters until the posing at the church.

    They didn’t move them because of water bottles – could have happened in an isolated few incidents the overhead camera angles I saw though did not cover, but this was a peaceful crowd showing no aggression. No hostile yelling, nothing. They moved them because Barr told them to – its; been covered everywhere. He made an appearance with other fat white guys in suits and hung out for at least 10 minutes behind the police line before going back in the WH. The police had a docile group of mostly young white people that they then physically and aggressively just started pushing backwards. Did some hold back and stand pat – hell yes, and you would have to. Any American who doesn’t like arbitrary aggression from authority would have gotten their back up. But I never saw anyone throw anything or try to fight the cops.

    This was one group of peaceful citizens exercising their rights being bullied out of the way so another citizen – who is also the most powerful man in the world – could exercise his solitary right. Well, he doesn’t have a right to chase other citizens and neither do they.

    1. wah wah the country sinks into anarchy, the POTUS makes a little bit of moving performance art, and you are mad because you were inconvenienced. booo hoooo

      nonetheless, i support your right to peacefully protest, and the rights of all Americans to peacefully protest, subject to the necessities of public security

      Right now, order must be and will be restored

        1. book you could try and join one of these anti-fascist collectives, see if it meets your needs, but they’re a little young for you.

          say that reminds me, why not enjoy a little music with me? “Joy Division”

  13. DC MAYOR IS A FOOOOL-TAKING ORDERS FROM NANCY PELOSI and DEM Party. Trump can take control. The DC Mayor follows Ralph “Black Face” Northam, and other Trump haters.

    One of these days the voters of DC will elect a Good Mayor. I suggest these riots, looting and hijacked protest will backfire on the uncooperative Mayors and Governors. The silent majority will vote them out

  14. I heard someone mention yesterday that Cuomo replacing de Blasio is just one idiot replacing another.

    1. Justice Holmes:
      Military-style attack? If that had been the case the crowd wouldn’t have had the physical capacity to disperse. You must be thinking of some third-world military.

  15. When a preside orders a military Style attack on peaceful protestors so that he can stroll to a church which he does not attend for a frivolous and offensive photo op, Id say we should all be concerned about everything he does. I realize this is the “Trump is great“ thread but folks this is appalling.

    1. First, it wasn’t tear gas.

      Secondly, the park police did not know the president was going to walk to the church. They dispersed the “peaceful protesters” because the police were being pelted with full bottles of water.

      Ever been hit in the head with a 16 ounce bottle of water thrown with force? I didn’t think so.

      1. Yes, it was tear gas. Here’s a photo of one of the shells and a link to a DOJ document about the kind of gas used:

        And your claim that “They dispersed the ‘peaceful protesters’ because the police were being pelted with full bottles of water” is false. I already linked to a reporter who was there noting that it was 100% peaceful. Not that you’ve linked to any statement from someone who was there as evidence for your claim.

    2. OTOH, had Obama had strolled there, Bible in hand, it would have been lauded by you as a wonderfully, great thing, and the mark of a real President.

      Be honest, you hate Trump, and therefore your opinion is so slanted as to be worthless.

      Squeeky Fromm
      Girl Reporter

    3. You do know that peaceful protesters are routinely removed and arrested for PEACEFULLY protesting too close to abortion clinics, don’t you?
      Where you ok with the Obama Administration doing that? Or do first Amendment rights o ly apply to rioters and looters?

      1. I hadn’t thought about that but it’s a good point. Those who supported removing the pro-life people and complain now are guilty of having double standard.

        1. I know a lot of good people are in the pro life movement. but after yesterday, I think it’s time for people to recognize we are on our own, for the most part, in a society that is anarchic, and contraception and abortion rights favor the law abiding, legacy population. In other words, we are in a low intensity demographic war. I get it now. Most of these church-men could care less about us. We are on our own.

          So, Im no longer in favor of repealing roe v wade. Even though it is bad law. Let it stand! There’s a thousand bad judge made laws, and i’ve finally realized, this is one that can help us. For a change.

          In fact i pledge to support any increase in Planned parenthood, conditional on it focusing on providing access to low or no cost contraception and abortion to the poor, afflicted, residents of the ghettoes.

          I will accept all the criticism my fellow Republicans and Christians want to lay on me for that. But I’m officially pro choice now. And favor federal funding for Planned Parenthood in urban enclaves.

          You know what else? I think Bill Gates of Microsoft is my new hero. Guess where he’s spreading access to reproductive health services?

          Maybe the globalists aren’t so bad after all.

      2. If you have evidence of anti-abortion protesters being removed from public land while they were abiding by local laws, present it.

        1. oh come on they remove the prolifers from the sidewalk on a regular basis. judges issue these injunctions banning them from praying aloud at the women going in for “services.” maybe it was more popular in the last decade, I am not up on such things.

          but as of now, I’;m all for it! the last thing we should be doing is discouraging PP operations in the ghetto. see how clever our system and our judges can be?

          1. I wasn’t asking you, and I asked for evidence, but you’re not providing any, just making claims. Keep in mind that I specifically said “abiding by local laws.” If there’s a buffer zone law, for example, then you’d have to check what that law says and whether they’re abiding by it.

            But I know you don’t like having to deal with these sorts of details.

            1. right, and I don’t need to, when I actually could care less anymore.

              See, I’m pro choice now. I have been evolving this while for a while now, and the riots have me fully convinced now that “reproductive freedoms” are essential to protect law and order in this country, for obvious reasons I need not elaborate.

              And I don’t want these poor, oppressed women prevented from exercising their reproductive freedoms, or being discouraged from contraception and abortion by a bunch of praying protesters.

              I am of a mindmeld today on this issue with the great jurist Oliver Wendell Holmes in the case “Buck v Bell.”

              They can push the buffer zones as far back as they want now. I don’t care anymore, about some lofty disembodied principles, I am looking at facts and reality more clearly now. And I see the angles working our way.

              Go argue with a pro-lifer if you want, I’m not one of them anymore. And I am not being sarcastic, either. Oh, back when I was one, I meant well. but now I am less troubled by pie in the sky and more concerned with what’s on Earth.

    4. military style attack?

      i was happy to see one countersniper photographed in the media

      what is needed in the big cities are a lot of counter-riot snipers shooting violent arsonists where they stand, summary execution from afar

      it would actually be and is fully lawful to terminate the commission of a forcible felony like arson with lethal force. that’s what the police should do now to quell arson. deploy snipers and shoot all arsonists on sight.

      over a century ago, nearly all Chicago burned down when a cow kicked over an oil lamp.

      arson can destroy entire cities and it must not be tolerated. deploy snipers and shoot arsonists where they stand, ready to heave their “molotov cocktails.” Trials won’t stop fire from spreading in the meantime

    5. it was a strong gesture of leadership in my eyes

      you can see whatever pleases you “justice holmes”

      and so can i

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