Gallup: Almost Three-Fourths Of Americans View Media As Too Biased

Yellow journalismFor years, we have been discussing the rapid loss of objectivity and neutrality in the media where most viewers no longer trust what they read or hear.  Various cable networks and newspapers have openly embraced the echo-journalist model, including the shocking actions of the New York Times recently to apologize for publishing a dissenting view of the protests by the U.S. Senator.  Figures like CNN’s Jeff Zucker have openly abandoned any semblance of objectivity to seek ratings from viewers who only want to see and hear news that confirms their political preferences. This week, a leading producer at MSNBC became the latest journalist to quit due to the pressure to shape coverage to such bias. I testified in the Senate yesterday of this trend as part of the erosion of free speech in the United States. Now a Gallup poll has confirmed what these owners and editors have done to journalism in the United States. Almost half of those polled said that they viewed media as “very biased.”

The poll by Knight Foundation and Gallup seems to shock many in the media but I do not know why.  Many in the media has spent years in openly shaping the news to resist Donald Trump — just as some in the conservative media have done so in his defense. The difference is that the media is overwhelmingly and unrelentingly anti-Trump.  President Donald Trump has said many things worthy of criticism, but many news outlets seem to be actively working for the election of Joe Biden. This includes softball interviews that are so fawning and feeble that they are cringeworthy. 

What is most interesting is that most Democrats are happy with the bias.  The study found that 71% of Republicans have a “very” or “somewhat” unfavorable opinion of the news media while 54% of Democrats have a very favorable view of the media.  Only 22% of Democrats view the media in a very or somewhat unfavorable light.  Just 13% of Republicans hold favorable views of the media.  That is a sizable percentage of the population but they have been effectively written off by newspapers like the Washington Post and New York Times.

The study notably found that 73% of feel that there is too much bias in the news — an increase from  65% two years ago.  This includes 54% of Americans who believe that reporters now regularly misrepresent facts and 28% who said reporters were making things up in their entirety.

They are correct. We have written how newspapers like the Washington Post have written demonstrably false accounts of even court rulings as well as facially unsound legal theories. Most of the complaints however are the simple refusal to publish stories that contradict a uniform narrative or orthodox view in the media.

The resignation of MSNBC producer Ariana Pekary raises the same objections of other journalists who have been forced out media outlets. The producer for MSNBC’s second-most-watched program, “The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell” wrote “I don’t know what I’m going to do next exactly but I simply couldn’t stay there anymore.”  She stated:

The longer I was at MSNBC, the more I saw such choices — it’s practically baked into the editorial process — and those decisions affect news content every day. Likewise, it’s taboo to discuss how the ratings scheme distorts content, or it’s simply taken for granted, because everyone in the commercial broadcast news industry is doing the exact same thing…But behind closed doors, industry leaders will admit the damage that’s being done.” 

The damage is evident in this and other polls.  Media executives and many reporters are grabbing guaranteed ratings from echo-journalism while destroying their profession.  Most Americans are not the core cable viewers who want to only hear news that confirm their bias. I come from a very liberal and Democratic Chicago family but many of my family complaint that they cannot find reliable news.  These short-term strategies of figures like Zucker are killing the profession with a return to yellow journalism.  News is becoming a form of entertainment masquerading as journalism.  

The problem is that fewer and fewer Americans seem to be buying it.

197 thoughts on “Gallup: Almost Three-Fourths Of Americans View Media As Too Biased”

  1. “This includes 54% of Americans who believe that reporters now regularly misrepresent facts and 28% who said reporters were making things up in their entirety.”

    I do see this as the case, and it isn’t just an anti-Trump issue.

    The question now is whether the outcome of fact and reality distortion will be a fierce fight for Truth in the face of manipulation. Many hard questions need to be asked.

  2. Bought my last newspaper iwas n 1998 when I returned from crossing the Pacfic. Paper when I got back duplicated the one from eight months before except for date and obits. Never read one since.

    1. Arkansas modified the requirements for public notice. The media does not make a profit by not printing the notices that are supposed to protect our Property rights and ballot. They appear make a profit on the deals they chose not to publish.

  3. I long for the days of the reporter in the fedora whose integrity was not for sale. Where does it end? With government sponsored and approved news. Where are we going?

    1. “Where does it end? Where are we going?”

      – Sharon
      _______

      Great questions! Where America is going is into extinction because its women have failed in their duty to make Americans; sufficient to grow and defend the nation. The American fertility rate is in a “death spiral.” More Americans die than are born. In 100 years, there won’t be an American left in America. The American population is imported of parasitic foreign hyphenates – they come here for the “free-dom” but clamor for the “free stuff.” The 19th Amendment is a death warrant for America. Women broke the “glass ceiling.” Women became men, babies became persona non grata, the country became invaded and conquered. Women don’t need to vote. Women need to have babies…lots of babies. What good is the “vote” for women who have no country? Women got a vote for nothing. Literally.

      China – 1.4 billion. India – 1.3 billion. There are 7.8 billion people in the world, of which only .76 billion are Caucasian. In America, there are 235 million Americans and 93 million (and growing) foreign hyphenates.

      Where does it end? Down the road in a couple of centuries.

      Where are we going? Into extinction.

  4. Professor Turley has tweeted about an interesting development in the Court of Appeals on the Flynn/Sullivan matter. Actually, it may be the Sullivan matter now. The court is requesting briefs on the issue of maybe setting the judge aside and allowing the matter to be heard by another judge. Many possibilities at this point but bound to be interesting. I am looking forward to anything the professor and, for that matter, Sydney Powell, may have to say about it. I don’t think I have ever heard of anything quite so strange as this matter as it has progressed from Sullivan’s refusal to dismiss the case as requested by the DOJ.

    1. The constitutional solution is impeachment…the process must be enhanced and accelerated to handle this Sullivan clown, much of the SCOTUS and the entire judicial branch, for openers.

    2. FYI, Moochhell has depression.
      _________________________

      Washington (AFP) – Former First Lady Moochhell Obama said she is suffering from “…depression” from coronavirus quarantine,…” and the typical and usual corollaries.

      “I’m waking up in the middle of the night because I’m worrying about something or there’s a heaviness,” the 56-year-old former First Lady said.
      ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

      Women – depressed and heavy. What’s new?

      It’s brave and honest of her, though, to admit to suffering the psychosis of depression and decompensating psychiatrically.

    3. No, they didn’t ask for briefs. The order only asks that “parties be prepared to address at oral argument the effect, if any, of 28 U.S.C. §§ 455(a) and 455(b)(5)(i) on the District Court judge’s Fed. R. App. P. 35(b) petition for en banc review.” (emphasis added)

      1. Okay. But would you go before the court without briefing an issue they asked you to be prepared to argue? Nobody would.

    4. Sullivan has plenty of “crazy days” and the appellate higher ups look the other way. (It’s only citizens who suffer, you know). Now he’s taking the crazy to them and the beatdown is inevitable. Wait for the retirement, claims of racial bias and the book tour. Sullivan is nuts but he’s knows how to make a dollar in a polarized world he helps foster.

  5. Fox News should outbid CNN for the airport and waiting room TV contracts that CNN pays for and then all the airport and doctor waiting rooms will have Fox News on. Makes total sense since Fox is the most watched and most trusted cable news program. Give the people more of what they want, right? Right.

    1. According to whom is Fox “the most watched and most trusted”? Fox? What a bunch of lying syncophants for a lying narcissist election cheater. Fox is NOT news: it is pure propaganda, and it crosses the line when they proceed with recommending quack remedies like hydroxychloroquine because the fat slob wants it work since he spent millions of your and my tax dollars purchasing it so he could dole it out and be a hero.

          1. Oh, no!

            That was definitely NUTCHACHA!

            Believe or not, her current problem is that, wait for it, Joe Biden is gonna win.

            Yep.

            Everyone knows, Joe Biden is going to win.

            Who knows why the likes of Mr. Shill and NUTCHACHA are so exercised and vituperative.

            Joe Biden is going to win.

            That makes the frenetic, delirious Bolsheviks go completely savage!!!

            Go figure.

      1. Nuttychacha….did you see where Joe Biden had a zoom meeting with several members of the National Association of Black Journalists? Yep, after a black reporter asked him whether he would be willing to take the cognitive test that Trump took given the fact that his cognitive stability is a question being raised by the Trump campaign, Joe loses his cool and asks a black reporter, “Are you a junkie? Did you take a test before this to see if you are on cocaine?”

        Yep, and did you see Joe’s previous interview with Charlemagne the God where Joe says, “if you don’t know whether you are voting for me or Trump, you ain’t black, man!”

        But sure. Keep on saying that Biden is not racist because he was Barack’s right hand man for eight years, right? Wrong. Joe Biden is a racist. And a condescending one at that.

        Yes, you Dems have picked a fine candidate for POTUS. Now if Joe picks Susan Rice for his VP, hoo boy, we are in for an exciting campaign.

        Please pick Susan Rice. Please pick Susan Rice. Please pick Susan Rice…..hahahahaha.

        Or pick Kamala Harris. Either one is a fine choice. Hahahahaha.

  6. “Gallup poll has confirmed what these owners and editors have done to journalism in the United States. Almost half of those polled said that they viewed media as ‘very biased.’”

    – Professor Turley
    _______________

    MSM Coverage of Deaths:

    Patriotic American Herman Cain – 0%

    Treasonous Communist John Lewis – 100%
    __________________________________

    God Bless Herman Cain;

    Free and Self-Reliant American.

    Herman Cain was honorable and compassionate.

    Herman Cain achieved success through his own hard work, sacrifice and merit.

    He sought no pity or charity.

    He endeavored mightily and enjoyed his “…certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

    Herman Cain freely pursued happiness of his own industry as a Great American.

    God Bless Herman Cain.

  7. Sally Yates just testified that Comey went rogue.

    Thank you for that, but there are a lot of rogues in the FBI and DOJ. Let’s hear about the rest.

    1. Wait! Did you say you wanted to hear about the rest???

      Alrighty then!!!
      ____________

      The Obama Coup D’etat in America is the most egregious abuse of power and the most prodigious scandal in American political history.

      The co-conspirators are:

      Bill Taylor, Eric Ciaramella, Rosenstein, Mueller/Team, Andrew Weissmann,
      James Comey, Christopher Wray, McCabe, Strozk, Page, Laycock, Kadzic,
      Sally Yates, James Baker, Bruce Ohr, Nellie Ohr, Priestap, Kortan, Campbell,
      Sir Richard Dearlove, Christopher Steele, Simpson, Joseph Mifsud,
      Alexander Downer, Stefan “The Walrus” Halper, Azra Turk, Kerry, Hillary,
      Huma, Mills, Brennan, Gina Haspel, Clapper, Lerner, Farkas, Power, Lynch,
      Rice, Jarrett, Holder, Brazile, Sessions (patsy), Nadler, Schiff, Pelosi, Obama,
      James E. Boasberg et al.

  8. Trump has lied more than 20,000 times while in office, per the Washington Post count

    The press is in the business of reporting the truth. How many people in history have told this many lies and gotten as good a press as Trump has gotten? It seems the press bias favors Trump.

    1. Biden is going to win.

      Don’t worry. Be happy!

      Why are Mr. Shill and his legions of communist trolls so actively vituperative?

  9. “He was a fattish but active man of paralyzing stupidity, A mass of imbecile enthusiasms-one of those completely unquestioning, devoted drudges on whom, more even than on the thought police, the stability of the party depended” Orwell “1984”

  10. It is funny when there are surveys about how the media is biased Turley assumes they are not talking about Sean Hannity and Fox and Friends.

  11. We have a war of narratives going on, so of course facts are going to be ignored or twisted or invented.

    If we cannot agree on the facts, we cannot agree on reality. If we cannot agree on reality, well, where does that leave us for self-governance?

    What’s the goal?

    1. “Truth isn’t Truth”…”What you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what’s happening”….”Alternative Facts”

    2. Prarie, the goal is what Nietzsche said it was. Power.

      There is really no escaping this. Unjust men will always crave power; but to restrain and correct them, the just must have power enough to do so as well.

    3. Rose, you nailed it here.

      Back in the 90’s, when Fox News began, the entire goal was to create an alternate reality safe for conservatives. And now, more than 2 decades later, there is almost no major issue where Americans can agree on basic facts.

      1. Does is seem that Mr. Shill is becoming increasingly unglued?

        Biden is going to win.

        Don’t worry. Be happy!

        Why are Mr. Shill and his legions of communist trolls so actively vituperative?

      2. Don’t blame it on Fox, Seth. The media and the government has been playing it loose with the facts for a long time. How can we remotely agree on ‘the facts’ when they are manipulated, twisted, and invented. There was no Fox News during the coup in Guatamala. There was no Fox News when the Gulf of Tonkin “incident” happened.

  12. 9 CRAZY ANSWERS FROM TRUMP’S AXIOS INTERVIEW

    Here New York Magazine ranks the most bizarre answers Trump gave in his interview with Johnathan Swan of Axios which aired Monday night on HBO.
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    9) John Lewis will be remembered for skipping Trump’s inauguration. (This was all Trump could say about the late civil rights legend).

    8) Having many different tests is good. (Trump feels there is no need for Covid tests to maintain uniform standards).

    7) The only problem with his Tulsa death rally was too few people attended. (Trump laments that ‘more’ didn’t attend his rally in Tulsa).

    6) “The manuals” say you shouldn’t test too much. (Trump vaguely refers to unknown ‘manuals’ regarding Covid tests).

    5) The virus cannot be contained any better than it is now. (Trump claims his effort at managing the pandemic could be no better).

    4) Defending Putin’s bounties on U.S. soldiers. (Trump refused to address the issue when asked about a recent call with Putin).

    3) Ghislaine Maxwell might be innocent? (Trump took a moment to again send his best wishes to Jeffrey Epstein’s onetime partner).

    2) Nonsense chart exchange. (When pressed on Covid deaths, Trump produced charts he couldn’t explain).

    1) The Civil Rights Act hasn’t worked out very well. (Trump asserts that Johnson era civil rights legislation was a failure of sorts)

    Partly Edited from: “The 9 Wildest Answers in Trump’s Interview With Jonathan Swan, Ranked”

    New York Magazine, 8/4/20

    Note: Explainers in parenthesis condense longer notes from magazine.

    1. REGARDING ABOVE:

      These answers go a long way towards illustrating ‘why’ Donald Trump gets bad press.

      1. Trump supporters on this site will NEVER watch that interview. And if they did, they would say it was unfair, fake, etc etc etc etc

        1. I watched some and had a few good laughs from it. I can see why Trump drives you guys nuts. I love it!

          yes he says some silly stuff and evades questions. but you see, that is also what Democrat leadership has been doing for decades.

          You just dont like it that now there is Republican who plays so fast and loose with his language. Well, sure it is questionable, but deal with it, like we have done all along.

          1. Kurtz, you’re saying Trump is heroic in his ignorance. ‘Yes’, we’ve had the impression Trumpers think that.

            1. I think Kurtz is saying that Trump is heroic in his ability to make you all dance to your own tunes. I like it too.

              1. Young, this idea that Trump is just ‘messing with liberals’ is arguably the stupidest in a long line of ridiculous explanations to explain Trump’s insanity.

                  1. Young, you are the one who has been had, to believe Trump on anything you would have to be brain dead.

              2. Speaking of dancing, were this Canuck to win on infringement, not only would all gun law be voided for “infringement” of that which “shall not be infringed,” but Rush Limbaugh and many multiple radio and tv personalities will owe big bucks for scores of years of infringement globally. What’s the law on this Counselors?
                __________________________________________________________________________________________________

                “Neil Young sues Trump campaign for using his song, deriding use of famous tunes”
                The Associated Press – Aug 5th 2020 4:47AM

                NEW YORK (AP) — Neil Young sued President Donald Trump’s reelection campaign Tuesday for copyright infringement, saying he doesn’t want his music used as a theme song for a “divisive un-American campaign of ignorance and hate.”

                The Grammy-award winning Canadian-born musician filed the lawsuit through his lawyers in Manhattan federal court, seeking up to $150,000 in statutory damages for each infringement.

                – AP

            2. I believe he answers questions however he wants to answer them. Often he does not answer them and merely touts his own leadership.

              If you haven’t noticed, this is what a lot of successful politicians do.

              Actually, reporters would love it if politicians answered questions, even if they rarely do, in the same way we lawyers make people answer questions in depositions. But, pressers are not depositions, and so while reporters can ask what they like, so too can respondents say whatever they like in reply

              In this way, “free speech” often cuts back and forth in unexpected ways.

              1. “ If you haven’t noticed, this is what a lot of successful politicians do.”

                No, this is what a lot of compulsive liars do. Plus wasn’t trump preferred because he was NOT a politician?

                It thought trump was ”successful” because he wasn’t a politician. Funny how that is isn’t it?

  13. Why is it, Turley, that the only media you can seem to find problems with are MSNBC, CNN, the WaPo, and the New York Times? Turley keeps harping on one or two incidents, but how on earth can you ignore the endless lying on Fox, it’s endless echoing of Trump lies and talking points, including playing down the pandemic and pushing for hydroxychloroquine (which could cause people to die), and hope to have any sort of credibility when criticizing media for bias? Are you on the payroll of the Trump campaign? If so, you need to disclose this. BTW: the only “media” that regularly preach to the faithful that other media cannot be trusted is Fox.

    Here’s the big problem: how does any “unbiased” media cover a failed former businessman/ game show host who cheated his way into office with the help of a hostile foreign power, who refuses to respond to subpoenas, who won’t disclose tax and financial records, who has trashed the successful economy he inherited, who is trying to take away health insurance from millions during a pandemic, and who has lied about and downplayed the pandemic, including wearing of masks and avoiding large crowds, resulting in the US having more cases per capita than any other country? Are media supposed to ignore the daily lying, his deference to Russia, including withdrawing troops from Germany (which Putin wants), doing nothing about reports of Russia paying a bounty to kill American troops, including even investigating the merits of such reports? How about his refusal to even go to the Capitol Rotunda, much less the funeral, to pay his respects to John Lewis to retaliate because John Lewis would not attend his inauguration or SOTU speeches? How about the constant self-praise for the good job he claims to be doing with the pandemic, even though we have no coordinated testing program, testing takes too long, and he keeps trying to undermine the CDC’s approach to reopening schools and businesses? He keeps trying to crow about closing the border to Chinese, but over 40,000 of them still qualified to enter the US because of exceptions, something he never mentions. Now, Americans aren’t welcome to travel to the EU, Canada or Mexico. How about trashing physicians at the CDC for telling the truth that it simply isn’t safe for children to return to in-person classes with the pandemic surging? What about praising White Supremacists, calling Mexicans “rapists, murderers, criminals and vermin”, and trashing a Gold Star family because they are Muslim? That fat slob liar you keep trying to defend is seriously defective, unfit to lead, and Americans are finding this out. We don’t need media to explain to us the ugliness of this malignant narcissist or the danger he poses every single day he stinks up our White House.

    1. “hydroxychloroquine (which could cause people to die)”

      The studies that are used to back this assertion did not include zinc or, most egregiously, gave dangerous doses of the drug. Sheesh, taking Tylenol badly will cause you to die, too.

      HCQ is safe at safe doses, especially if taken in conjunction with zinc.

        1. This is absurd x XXii says:August 5, 2020 at 1:30 PM
          Natacha’s pretending to be a nurse again.
          =======

          And ‘Prairie’, with her blanket statements, appears to be playing ‘doctor.’

            1. It is NOT time to move on.

              “”this point in time, there’s been five randomized control, placebo-controlled trials that do not show any benefit to hydroxychloroquine.”

              Maybe they should try adding zinc. The zinc ionophore hydroxychloroquine needs zinc to shuttle into cells. Zinc is what interferes with the replication of the virus, down-regulates ACE2, modulates the cytokines, and generally helps the endoplasmic reticulum function.

          1. I am not making blanket statements and I am not playing doctor. I am sharing research.

            Here’s what some docs have to say. Look them up on YouTube. The links are not posting.

            Coronavirus Pandemic Update 71: New Data on Adding Zinc to Hydroxychloroquine + Azithromycin

            COVID-19 Update 8: Zinc and chloroquine for the treatment of COVID-19?

            1. “Randy Fine says hydroxychloroquine is ‘not magic’ COVID-19 cure, but believers won’t let go”

              https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/2020/08/04/not-magic-says-rep-fine-hydroxychloroquine-therapy-covid-19/5573368002/

              ‘He didn’t use the HCQ correctly,” a comment said on Randy Fine’s page. “You must take zinc with the hydroxychloraquine. (sic) The zinc is the magic bullet and the hydroxychloraquine (sic) carries it so it can prevent viral replication. Just curious, did you take the zinc too?”

              ‘“Yup. Sorry to burst the magic bubble,” Fine shot back.’

              Fine took zinc, too, Prairie.

              1. Of course it’s not magic. People have been treating medicine and healing as something achieved with a magic bullet. While zinc must be paired with hydroxychloroquine to get into cells and it’s helpful for interfering with virus replication (etc), that’s not the only thing at issue. The body is a system, so many elements go into its building and functioning. Zinc is important for endoplasmic reticulum function, but that isn’t the only organelle (or micronutrient) involved in the immune system or cell function.

                “Since the onset of COVID-19, a growing number of retrospective observational investigations of patient medical records from around the globe have consistently identified low vitamin D status to be prevalent in those with COVID-19 (92–98).” 1

                “Intracellular potassium concentrations have been suggested to decrease in the presence of hypomagnesemia since low magnesium impairs the function of the sodium-potassium ATPase pump.”1 ATP is not biologically active without magnesium–this will affect anything that uses ATP. For example, the cilia in the lung that help clear fluid move about with the help of ATP. They aren’t going to wave very well if there isn’t enough Mg to make the ATP functional.

                “Pulmonary fibrosis and hypertension are common when the proinflammatory cytokine IL-6 is expressed in the lungs (24). High expression of IL-6 other inflammatory cytokines have also been well documented in patients with both SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV (25–27).”1

                Pulmonary fibrosis is also triggered, in part, by TGF-B, an inflammatory cytokine, which is triggered, in part, by ROS, which are produced by the mitochondria, sometimes in excess when the mitochondria is not functioning optimally. If there are not enough antioxidants available (home-grown or ingested), then the ROS smog up the cells, which can eventually lead to cell apoptosis. Glutathione, an important antioxidant made in the body, won’t work right without sufficient selenium for the selenoprotein at its heart, nor can it be made if the endoplasmic reticulum isn’t working right.

                “Patients with common variable immunodeficiency and bronchiectasis [7] as well as older adults [8] who are detected with mild to severe vitamin D deficiency, constitute high risk groups for getting severe illness from COVID-19. In addition, vitamin D has an important role in cardiovascular diseases and diabetes mellitus [9].”2

                “Considering the range of beneficial effects ascribed to vitamin D, it is safety and ease of administration, as well as direct effects of vitamin D on immune cell proliferation and activity, pulmonary ACE2 expression and reducing surface tension, evaluation of vitamin D supplementation as an adjuvant therapeutic intervention could be of substantial clinical and economic significance. Empiric intervention with vitamin D is a clinical decision that can be justified by low serum levels and the risk of impaired immune system. Importantly, improvement in circulating 25(OH)D levels opens possibilities for slowing disease progression or even improving survival of patients.

                In summary, given the high prevalence of vitamin D deficiency and in order to rapidly, safely, and significantly raise serum concentrations, high-dose vitamin D intervention with potential benefit in decreasing risk of COVID-19 severity and mortality is suggested, which is a safe and noninvasive treatment.”

                Insufficient magnesium, insufficient vitamin D, insufficient selenium, insufficient antioxidants (and probably other micronutrients, too) all seem to play a role. Nope, it ain’t a magic bullet for sure.

                1. Journal of the American College of Nutrition. July 2020 “Combating COVID-19 and Building Immune Resilience: A Potential Role for Magnesium Nutrition?”
                Taylor C. Wallace

                2. Eur J Clin Nutr. 2020 May 12. “Perspective: improving vitamin D status in the management of COVID-19.” Maryam Ebadi and Aldo J. Montano-Loza

        1. Egad, I hate replying to Mr. Warner. Your straw man is on fire: Rose did not suggest anything otherwise. It must be unbearable for you to deal with the same reality as sane, rational people. Indeed, you have to make things up to be upset about just to have a reason to enter the conversation.

          Shirley, you’re free to respond, but I doubt I’ll engage with you any further. I already need to take a shower after this brief encounter.

          1. Dave, ‘why’ do presume people know they need a doctor’s close supervision??? That is, in fact, the principal danger of Hydroxycloroquine: ‘People are taking it without supervision’.

        2. of course it is a perscription drug in america

          overseas it is often deemed so safe that it is dispensed over the counter., but many such countries have a different system which gives pharmacies more license than ours have, to help treat common conditions.

          hcq plus zinc and zpac is a prophylactic therapy that has not been disproven, and the “studies” which claim to do so, have been flawed.,
          In one notable case touted by the newspapers, it was so flawed that Lancet magazine published one and then had to retract it for flaws.
          and yet the papers did not “retract” their unequivocal denunciations of it. seems that science is less clear than they like.

          anecdotally there are thousands of claimed positive outcomes if not by now tens of thousands. these have been published for peer review too in some instances.

          India is widely implementing this therapy as prophylaxis for a couple months now. not sure if data is available on that.

          I would welcome a rigorous double blind placebo control group type experimental design to fairly evaluate this therapy
          and yet the months drag on where it seems that few if any have been undertaken. Let me know if anybody has information about any which may be underway.,

      1. Prairie Rose,
        I had posted a lengthy article yesterday that demonstrated there were clinical trials being conducted around the world that were providing lethal doses of HCQ to critically ill patients. The point being they were purposely driving the trials to discredit the use of HCQ altogether. I believe it cited this quote from Paracelsus to make their point:

        What is there that is not poison? All things are poison and nothing is without poison. Solely the dose determines that a thing is not a poison.

        1. Olly– Nice quote from Paracelsus. Even water can kill. I have read of people dying from it. Usually it is someone with an obsession that they are not getting enough and they unbalance their electrolytes.

        2. “Solely the dose determines that a thing is not a poison.”
          _____________________________________________

          The doctor patient relationship is private.

          The Constitution provides the freedom of ingestion, at a minimum, through the right to privacy and the 9th Amendment.

          The Constitution does not preclude ingestion or the ingestion of any particular substance.

          Congress shall not infringe or abridge the freedom of ingestion.

          Laws may address property damage, bodily injury, public behaviors, etc., but the Constitution provides for the freedom of ingestion.

        3. Olly, you’re arguing that liberals seek to dismiss an effective drug simply to discredit Trump; an explanation that ASSUMES liberals are immune to virus!

          You’re presenting a wild conspiracy theory that is presumably aided by Dr Fauci and most top experts. As though the medical establishment is more interested in discrediting Trump than fighting Coronavirus.

          This conspiracy is highly leveraged on the sense of victimhood that Trump embraces and Turley panders to.

          1. you’re arguing that liberals seek to dismiss an effective drug simply to discredit Trump; an explanation that ASSUMES liberals are immune to virus!

            Chips, that’s your right-brain overcompensating for that void on the left side. I didn’t mention liberals, what liberals seek, Trump, or the insane assumption anyone is immune from Covid-19 because of their political leanings.

            You’re presenting a wild conspiracy theory that is presumably aided by Dr Fauci and most top experts. As though the medical establishment is more interested in discrediting Trump than fighting Coronavirus.

            I posted an article (yes, very lengthy) that cited studies being conducted around the world where lethal doses of HCQ were being administered to critically-ill patients. I have not presented any theory, wild or not. You can challenge the article, but you’re going to need to do better than your attempt to debunk it because of Nigeria. Was Paracelsus wrong about poisonous dosages? Give that another try.

            This conspiracy is highly leveraged on the sense of victimhood that Trump embraces and Turley panders to.

            It’s your imagined conspiracy. Good luck.

      2. No, it isn’t, and the only reason Trump and his personal media outlet (Fox) keep pushing it is: 1. Because der fueherer can never be wrong; he said it was a “game changer”, so, by God, it’s a “game changer”, science be damned; 2. He took millions of our tax dollars and stockpiled Hydroxychloroquine, so he could dole it out and look like Joe Hero, but then science got in the way. The FDA pulled temporary approval for Hydroxychloroquine after several randomized, placebo-controlled scientific studies showed that: 1. it isn’t safe (it causes heart arrhythmias, which can lead to strokes, pulmonary embolism or heart attacks) and 2. it isn’t effective. In fact, patients taking Hydroxychloroquine were more likely to die than patients taking nothing ,and it doesn’t matter whether anything else is added, including azithromycin or zinc. So, the next move was for Breitbart and the Tea Party Patriots to trot out the “demon sperm” doctor who said you don’t need to wear masks, social distance or take any other measures because Hydroxychloroquine is a “cure”. She also said that gyn problems are due to having intercourse during your sleep with the devil, that alien DNA and witches cause illness, and that lizard-human hybrids are running our government. Hey, if you want to take medical advice from this doctor, or from a malignant narcissist who lies constantly or the bottle blondies on Fox, go right ahead.

        Tylenol is more toxic than aspirin if you overdose on it because it can kill your liver. Nevertheless, it is safe enough if you follow dosage recommendations.

        1. You know the other doctor who was there with the “demon sperm” doctor and who got fired from her job has hired Lin Wood. He’s the attorney who just made the Covington kid independently wealthy. Mr. Wood says he’s especially looking forward to deposing Dr. Fauci.

          1. The smirking little beeotch is not “independently wealthy”. It was a nuisance settlement to save attorney fees and litigation costs. And…that little turd will forever be known as the smirking little beeotch he is.

            1. Give it a rest, you old turd. He was a 16 kids accosted by a group of black men who yelled homophonic slurs, and the Native American. The boy was wrongly criticized by liberals – who unsurprising had no criticism for the Black Hebrew Israelites who started the whole thing.

              1. Thank you NatachaisSick. I started a post to the effect that she seems to ooze evil but cancelled it. You reminded me to say it anyhow.

        2. “She also said that gyn problems are due to having intercourse during your sleep with the devil, that alien DNA and witches cause illness, and that lizard-human hybrids are running our government.”

          I’m sorry, but has ‘science’ proved her wrong?

          1. Yes, the causes for things like endometriosis are well-known, and contrary to what this quack says, you don’t need an exorcism to cure you. And, if you want to believe that Trump is a hybrid between a lizard and human, go ahead, but I think it’s insulting to lizards. But, say, if you Trumpsters want to follow her advice, be our guests. Just like Herman Cain, you might find out too late that she’s wrong.

            1. I think if you look at John Podesta close enough you can see the resemblance of something like a lizard-human hybrid. John Kerry too. Watch as Kerry’s tongue flicks in and out of his mouth as he speaks. It’s so very ‘lizard-like.’ I think it’s a Demoncrat thing, don’t you?

              Oh and if Black Lives truly Matter to you, please refrain from using Herman Cain’s name in vain for your cheap political shots.

      3. Randy Fine says hydroxychloroquine is ‘not magic’ COVID-19 cure, but believers won’t let go

        Alessandro Marazzi Sassoon
        Florida Today

        https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/2020/08/04/not-magic-says-rep-fine-hydroxychloroquine-therapy-covid-19/5573368002/

        Excerpt:

        “The most well-designed studies so far, that are not anecdotal, but are actual studies, have indicated that there does not appear to be any beneficial effect on the use of hydroxychloroquine,” said Jay Wolfson a public health policy expert and senior associate dean at the University of South Florida’s medical school.

        Despite this, believers in the treatment have persisted.

        “He didn’t use the HCQ correctly,” a comment said on Randy Fine’s page. “You must take zinc with the hydroxychloraquine. (sic) The zinc is the magic bullet and the hydroxychloraquine (sic) carries it so it can prevent viral replication. Just curious, did you take the zinc too?”

        “Yup. Sorry to burst the magic bubble,” Fine shot back.

        A selfie by Republican State Rep. Randy Fine from his hospital bed at Holmes Regional Medical Center on Aug 4., 2020 where he was admitted for observation for COVDI-19.
        In fact Fine said he took the drugs on the recommendation and prescription of his doctor, and contrary to assertions that the public is being denied access to the drug, Fine said he had no problem filling his prescription at CVS.

        Certain states have curtailed easy access to hydroxychloroquine to prevent hoarding that was endangering access for patients with Lupus who also need the drug. But anybody with a prescription from a doctor willing to prescribe it for COVID-19, in theory, has access.

        Fine has now stopped responding to commenters asking about whether he was taking the therapy.

        “I just got tired of every time I made an update people stating that if I just took (hydroxychloroquine) I’d be magically healed which was particularly frustrating because I was taking it,” he told FLORIDA TODAY in a text.

        “Much of COVID has become politics as opposed to science,” said USF’s Wolfson. “And it’s an old issue of science being viewed in some social circles as being antithetical to belief systems.”

        Whether it was polio or smallpox, Wolfson said resistance to science and public health expertise, despite concerted public information campaigns, has always been an issue.

        “It took a long enough time where enough people died or were affected by it, that both individuals and communities and political systems and communities, took action. We’ve only been at this for seven months in this country.”

        Only then, Wolfson said, will the walls individual’s belief systems have erected come down.

        For Fine the situation is reminiscent of the polarization over masks. “It’s like people can no longer accept disagreement with their view.”

        It should be noted that Wolfson has been retained as an expert witness for Hillsborough County, which is fighting against a lawsuit to repeal their mask mandate brought by Republican State Rep. Anthony Sabatini (R—Howey in the Hills).

        -Florida Today

    2. “Why is it, Turley, that the only media you can seem to find problems with are MSNBC, CNN, the WaPo, and the New York Times? ”

      ****

      Probably because they all the time and in chorus. I thought the answer was obvious.

      1. The humorous thing is, the answer is in her question. Of course her question was not really a question, but rather a rhetorical observation that JT is blind to the obvious problems she sees with other outlets. The fact she has not changed her perception of reality in the age of Trump, despite an overwhelming amount of evidence proving her opinions outrageously false, reflects a deep-seated narcissistic personality disorder. She would be what Yuri Bezmenov described as a completely demoralized individual that will never change.

          1. I will instead post something you wrote I believe to be true; Nevertheless, it is safe enough if you follow dosage recommendations. Identifying everything else would be a waste of time.

          2. List something false you said? How about something false and evil? “It was a nuisance settlement to save attorney fees and litigation costs. And…that little turd will forever be known as the smirking little beeotch he is.”

            1. Boom! And that “smirking little beeotch” is now on his way to being incredibly independently wealthy and could buy CNN if he wanted to. Sweet smell of justice in the air. Feel good story of the decade, eh Natacha?

  14. AGAIN TURLEY PANDERS TO CONSERVATIVE VICTIMHOOD

    It’s like the Professor can’t help himself. ‘The media is mean to Donald Trump!” Never mind that Trump is mentally unhinged. Never mind that Trump is sabotaging his own government. Never mind that Trump is a stooge for Vladimir Putin. According to Turley the media should be ‘more respectful of Trump’!

    What Turley ignores in this column is the discontent that leftists feel towards the media. The truth is that for every Trumper who thinks the media has a ‘liberal bias’, there is a Bernie Bro who thinks the media is controlled by ‘big money interests’ or ‘establishment types’. Bernie Bros, like Trumpers, revel in their victimhood.

    Turley has no idea that Bernie Bros share the victimhood perspective because they’re not part of ‘his’ victimhood experience. Consequently Turley leaves us with the impression that victimhood is a burden that only conservatives bear.

    1. Seth., you use quotes to suggest what?

      are you saying that mass media is NOT controlled by “big money interests?”

      we have privately owned mass media, so, it is obviously. so. this is FACTUAL.

      state run media here is tiny compared to privately owned. that is also factual. do you deny this? if so bring some evidence to show big money does not control mass media!

      and the big social media operations actively edit and channel the content generated by their uses, section 230 claims notwithstanding.

      you call this victimhood, ok, sure. we are victims of a global financial oligarchy which controls the dissemination of information
      if I am in total agreement with bernie bros about that, so what ?

      bernie bros are provably right about private ownership of mass media, if indeed that is their contention.

      1. Kurtz, major news sources require deep pockets to fund. You ain’t likely to get adequate news from a shoestring operation.

        1. Of course. So in fact, mass media is controlled by deep pockets. Why then do you imply the assertion you say the Bernie bros make about this subject is false?

          I believe that corporate ownership, can direct not only editorial, but also, choices of what news to run and how. I have shared the famous clip from the famous movie “Citizen Kane” that makes the point better than I can.

          As Americans, we believe our system is per se “better” than other systems. Yet, I have come to wonder if our worries about King George’s censorship in the time of the War of Independence, have perhaps blinded us to the danger of our own time, which in the thinking of many and not just bernie bros, is the effect of financial interests on media reporting.

          If this is a concern shared both by some Republicans and Democrats, alike, then perhaps we should take it seriously and not diminish the notion.

          If you want to make a case that Jeff Bezos does not influence publications which he owns, then make it. I suspect that he does. What safeguards are there to prevent him from turning Wapost or Foreign Affairs into “his private media outlet” as Natacha calls fox in reference to Trump? And Trump doesnt own it, even if they may cater to his voters to a certain degree.

          Bezos is the richest man in the world. I would think Democrats would join me in this caution about the potential deleterious influence of massive financial interests.

        2. And yet Mr. Ngo is beating all major news organizations on coverage of the fascist Antifa and BLM anarchy.

  15. “The problem is that fewer and fewer Americans seem to be buying it.”
    I don’t think that’s the problem. That’s the solution.

  16. Free press is distinct from free speech.. Similar.
    The right of the press to speak for or against Trump is free press. My right to denigrate CNN is my free speech. But society needs a fair press that is not just Dem or RepubliCon.
    What we need in this aspect goes beyond the First Amendment. We need a billionaire to create such a tv news network on a world basis today. Where you at Bezos?

    1. They are Stalinist. They have gone Full Red Guard. They don’t condemn the Marxist Revolution.

      Trump the show trial. Show me the man I’ll show up the crime, Lavrenity Beria Stalin’s Chief of Secret Police.

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