Got God? Trump Claims Biden Opposes The Almighty

300px-god2-sistine_chapelFor many years, I have written columns denouncing faith-based politics of both Republican and Democratic Presidents.  None however have gone quite as far as President Donald Trump yesterday when he declared that Joe Biden is “against God.” It sounds a bit like a constructive divine endorsement. It is certainly the ultimate expression of the faith-based politics that I have long opposed.

Here is what Trump declared:

“He’s following the radical left agenda, take away your guns, destroy your 2nd Amendment, no religion, no anything, hurt the Bible, hurt God. He’s against God. He’s against guns. He’s against energy, our kind of energy. I don’t think he’s going to do too well in Ohio.”

Former Vice President Joe Biden responded “For President Trump to attack my faith is shameful.”

To be accurate, he was not attacking Biden’s faith. It was much worse than that.  He was suggesting that a vote for Biden is a vote against God.  In other words, Biden could be entirely faithful but he is a tool of the Devil. I doubt Biden would find much solace in the distinction.

I can only state again the dangerous demagoguery that comes from faith-based politics. In a nation that believes in the separation of church and state, such claims erode our secular tradition of government. We have seen countries with long and fierce secular traditions like Turkey taken over by religious orthodoxy after faith-based politics led to religious indoctrination (Erdogan actually claimed when he first ran that he would respect the secular traditions of Turkey).

I do not for a moment believe that we can become the next Turkey.  Moreover, there is always a legitimate element of faith in political viewpoints.  For example, many people support some laws or policies out of their religious convictions like the opposing to abortion. However, this is raw and direct use of religion is meant to paint an opponent as against God himself.

I do not see either Trump or Biden as particularly religious figures and cannot imagine the faithful taking religious pointers from either man.  However, this is wrong.  It is unfair to Biden. It is harmful to our political discourse.  It is antithetical to our constitutional values.

Besides, if God took a position on our earthy contests, he would never have allowed the Royals to beat the Cubs 13-2 last night.  That hurt God, but he has left it to the rest of us to judge.

What I said before the 2008 election holds true today:

“The religiosity in the current campaigns represents an important choice by those candidates who chose sectarian over secular values in government.Obama strongly chastised people who objected to the religiosity that has become the norm in American politics. ‘Secularists,’ he insisted, ‘are wrong when they ask believers to leave their religion at the door before entering into the public square.’ But ‘believers’ are equally wrong to refuse to answer questions of their beliefs once they cross that political river Jordan and begin to proselytize for the presidency. After all, in 2 Corinthians 13:5, the faithful are instructed to ‘examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves.’ Perhaps, by testing the politically pious, we can all hope for a degree of enlightenment in this election.”

283 thoughts on “Got God? Trump Claims Biden Opposes The Almighty”

  1. The entire Democratic Party is against God. My late aunt, who never voted for a Republican in her life until her final years, left the Democratic Party in her final years because “they want to kill babies.” Biden is a Catholic but everything about him says his “faith” is nominal. He’s like a Mafia crime lord. He’s Catholic but is only out for himself.

    1. “[Trump] is a [Christian] but everything about him says his “faith” is nominal. He’s like a Mafia crime lord. He’s [Christian] but is only out for himself.” is more accurate.

    2. “The entire Democratic Party is against God.”

      Congratulations! You’ve been fully indoctrinated! That rightful indignation must feel intoxicating while you look down with contempt upon your fellow citizens.

  2. If you push Marxism you are against God.

    Wasn’t 120 million people murdered in the Twentieth Century enough?

  3. There is an important point that is obscured by Trump’s ridiculously over the top way of framing issues. The Democrat party, in their lurch left, has been eroding religious rights. You need only look at the Masterpiece Bakeshop case, where Democrats want to force a religious baker to decorate cakes in a manner that violates his religious beliefs. Similar with Little Sisters of the Poor. There is a clear difference between the parties in their attitude toward religious people and their right to practice their religion free of government interference. That Trump is the clearly better candidate for such religious people is ironic.

    1. Hal,

      “ Democrats want to force a religious baker to decorate cakes in a manner that violates his religious beliefs. Similar with Little Sisters of the Poor.”

      That is not true. The notion that it violates their religious beliefs is pure hogwash. That same baker has no issue making a cake to adulterous couples, unwed mothers, divorcée’s etc. All violate deeply held religious beliefs, even interracial marriage was against deeply held religious belief. It’s not about religious beliefs, it’s about what the current trend in bigotry is this decade. Baking a cake for a homosexual couple will be no different than baking a cake for an interracial couple in a few years.

      This “deeply held religious belief” declaration is only used as a shield to exercise bigoted views.

      1. “That same baker has no issue making a cake to adulterous couples, unwed mothers, divorcée’s etc. ”

        This guy is now defining other people’s religious beliefs. The baker had no problem with the cake. He had a problem with designing the decoration in such a way that it would go against the baker’s religious beliefs. Your understanding of freedom of religion and property rights is substandard.

    2. “their right to practice their religion free of government interference”

      No rights are absolute.
      Freedom of speech does not protect people from legal sanctions for certain kinds of speech (e.g., perjury, defamation, and incitement).
      Freedom of religion does not protect people from legal sanctions for certain kinds of religious acts (e.g., polygamy, human sacrifice).
      There are sometimes legal questions about what’s protected.

      Do you think that people should be free to practice their religion totally without restriction?

      1. The right to freedom of religion is more clearly enshrined in the constitution than what they were trying to force the cake decorator to do. Biden and his handlers would force the cake decorator out of business. If that is what you think is correct, be up front about it. Maybe someone thinks that is the pro god position. Someone committed to honest discussion would not.

        1. “Biden and his handlers would force the cake decorator out of business.”

          I’ll wait for you to provide evidence for that claim.

          “Maybe someone thinks that is the pro god position. Someone committed to honest discussion would not.”

          Seems to me that people who are committed to honest discussion can have a variety of opinions about what constitutes a “pro god position.” Opinions aren’t T/F claims, so two different people can present differing opinions about something while remaining committed to honest discussion.

      2. One of the baseline errors of the US as a political entity may perhaps be institutionalized secularism. The US and Western Europe too. What grew so fast now crumbles so quickly.

        One wonders if perhaps the Bible thumpers were right years ago when they said secular humanism is itself a religious belief. I think perhaps so.

  4. Sadly, Trump has the eloquence of a power drill. Even sadder, Biden has the mental acuity of bagel.
    Hobson had a better choice than we do.

    1. Ti317:
      “Sadly, Trump has the eloquence of a power drill. Even sadder, Biden has the mental acuity of bagel.
      Hobson had a better choice than we do.”
      **********************
      And Jefferson was a terrible public speaker. Hobson’s Choice means no choice and when it comes to a communist versus a nationalist, you’re right only a fool takes the communist.

      1. There are many willingly digging their own grave pushing for socialism aka communism here in the US.

        But I did like someones’ comment about the lil commie/antifa/blm turd in an Austin Tx protest that phk’ed up drawning his AK against an active duty Army sgt that put 5 in the idiots chest.

        The comment: He (the commie) should have dressed better for his funeral!

        Here is a short video about the commies’ plans from 1969:

        https://banned.video/watch?id=5ef0f6e0c7a607002f1f73b1

  5. As far as Democrats and Republicans go, there are plenty on both sides that deny god. However, those on the Democrat side that deny god, deny a god that comes before science and common sense. Those on the Republican side that deny god are for the most part Neo Nazis. Those on the Democrat side that go to the other extremes and deny those who don’t believe in god are far less numerous than those on the Republican side who deny those who don’t believe as they do. In the end, Biden is not a religious fanatic but far less hypocritical than Trump. Trump is a hypocrite with no history of consistent religious devotion. Trump is whatever it takes to get elected. If ever there was a display of that it was his bible routine recently.

    On the left you have your Koran thumping Muslims and Bible thumping gospel singers. On the right you have your Bible thumping evangelicals and snake dancers. One thing is that there is more science driven common sense on the left than on the right. Biden is a Catholic. Trump is a hypocrite. Pick your poison.

    1. In the words of the great Chris Hedges, the right wing, authoritarians that make up much of Trump’s base are “Christianized Fascists.”

    2. “deny god are for the most part Neo Nazis. ”

      National socialists are who they say they are, socialists with additives.

  6. Religion is like modern poetry and painting. You make it up without any rules of evidence or logic, so they are all “true” and “perfect”. Accusing someone of being against God is like accusing them of not using enough green paint on the canvas or the word “wind” often enough in their poem.

  7. At their 2012 convention, Democrats appeared to boo God. Immediately after God was mentioned delegates began booing. It’s on video.

    Rioting Democrat voters recently lit a church on fire in Washington DC.

    In general, when a right based political conflict arises between the rights of the religious and the rights of some fringe mascot group favored by Democrats: homosexuals, cross-dressers, etc. Democrats almost always side against the rights of the religious.

    Good grief, they tried to use government force to make celibate nuns pay for birth control. They’ve tried to force bakeries out of business for not baking cakes to celebrate homosexual marriage.

    Your party disrespects religion and the religious as a matter of course.

    The larger point he is making is how Democrats want to ban things to create their imaginary Utopian Wonderland: They want to ban guns; repeal the 2A; ban speech they don’t like; ban fossil fuels, ban gasoline powered cars, ban straws – and destroy the livelihoods of everybody who supports their family in the coal, oil, natural gas, refinery, pipeline and all peripheral and complementary industries.

    The stuff they like and they don’t want banned, they want government to provide: “free” healthcare; “free” education; “free” food. It’s a totalitarian approach. They want “freedom” defined as free from want or need. And the cherry on top is the freedom to tattoo your face and stick rings through your nose and be free from any sort of social stigma or judgment.

    Trump is right.

    1. Scott,

      “ Good grief, they tried to use government force to make celibate nuns pay for birth control. They’ve tried to force bakeries out of business for not baking cakes to celebrate homosexual marriage.”

      You’re a very confused fella. The government never forced or tried to force celibate nuns to pay for birth control. In fact they were exempted from the requirement. They complained that it was too much of a burden to file paperwork stating their insurance company can pay for birth control with no money connected to their convent. They wouldn’t have it because by some convoluted reasoning they were still indirectly paying for it. Never mind the fact that the government went out of its way to make it clear they were indeed exempt from the requirement. It was their secular health insurance company that was required to cover birth control.

      The bakery was in violation of Colorado’s anti-discrimination laws. Which apply to any business open to the public. Nothing stopped them from openly stating that they only serve heterosexual couples. Nothing. Even divorced people getting remarried. A big no no in “deeply held religious belief” just 30 years ago.

      1. “They complained that it was too much of a burden to file paperwork stating their insurance company can pay for birth control with no money connected to their convent.”

        You apparently don’t know the meaning of words. If the signature didn’t connect the nuns to dispensing birth control their signature wouldn’t be needed.

        1. “ If the signature didn’t connect the nuns to dispensing birth control their signature wouldn’t be needed.”

          No, their signature was only needed to acknowledge that they would be exempt and none of their premiums would be connected to any birth control control payments. That’s not a “unreasonable burden”. The fact remains that the government never forced or required the nuns to abide by the rule.

          The prospect of signing a paper apparently was too much of a burden. I know exactly what they were given. The government went way out of its way to accommodate the nuns. But paperwork was still too much. It air shared with any money that even occupied space with money meant to pay for birth control it would be too much. That’s religion in America.

          1. They shouldn’t have had to sign any papers what so ever acknowledging that birth control would be provided. They were not a party to it. Further we know how inaccurate you are so we can’t accept that what you said is what actually was on the paper.

            Provide the document.

    2. It hard to fathom how you can write stuff like this but it seems to be the usual script for many on this thread.

      1. Miki – that comment doesn’t even make sense. If it was a guy, sure, there is something to grab, but as a lady, whats there to grab? Maybe up top, sure. But down below, not a lot to hold onto…😉😊

    3. What country are you referring to? Are you talking about the US, home of the free…freedom of speech…separation of church and state…? Or are you talking about communist countries where autocrats rule? Trump sides with Putin, Xi, Kim Jung Un…. Is this what he’s right about? Scrap the Constitution and the Bill of Rights?

      Donald Trump, the last Confederate President who protects the statues of traitors to the union and the history of the confederacy and permits the confederate flag to fly with the US Flag—placing more importance to the confederacy? I guess as long as they keep hope alive the south will rise again! The same Trump who stands with the neo-nazis organizations, white supremacists, KKK, skin head, and confederates who want to overthrow this government to MAGA as the new confederacy?

      Are you referring to traitor Cadet Bone Spurs who “knows more than the generals” while permitting Putin to put a bounty on the head of our soldiers and puts them in harm’s way? The same traitor who confers with Putin for guidance on the unrest in this country in the middle of a pandemic on American soil as thousands of Americans die.

      Trump then emerges from his bunker and orders an assault on American Citizens (legally exercising their rights under the Constitution) by our own military on American soil as 2 helicopters (one marked with a white cross) fly low in assault attack mode! The helicopter attack cited under the first Geneva Convention as illegal, immoral, and unethical. And who said Obama made us the laughingstock of the world? Oh yeah, Trump!

      The same man whose father told him he’d disown him if he went into the military? The same Trump who told the same to his own children as it is family tradition to look down on the military.

      Donald Trump who boasts increasing the military budget so he can take $6+ plus billion budgeted for a “crucial and necessary” plane for the Navy and increase in reconnaissance/attack weaponry for Navy and Marines—while we have a carrier with 400+ navy ship personnel sick with COVID-19 off Guam, an island with 3 ICU beds! The admiral was fired for caring about his crew and will probably be court marshalled and receive a dishonorable discharge after 20+ years because he embarrassed cadet bone spurs.

      Trump who dishonored Gold Star Families, and fires those who served with honor and speak the truth. He hates the military and only acknowledges them when he wants to use them so he’ll look good. He dislikes the Pentagon and threatens to fire anyone he can. He’s turned our military, our sons, daughters, fathers,
      mothers, relatives on their own family, American Citizens, peacefully demonstrating—a communist/autocratic action. All this for a photo op?

      This is who you think is right? Says a lot about your character! Are you a traitor too? Our children protect your freedom to be a traitor to the Constitution under which they are bound. You’d better learn Russian.

      1. “Donald Trump, the last Confederate President who protects the statues of traitors to the union and the history of the confederacy and permits the confederate flag to fly with the US Flag—placing more importance to the confederacy?”

        You had Obama who was the so called great uniter. He did nothing about those things. He came in with support and an ability to change these types of things but he didn’t. Your mentors are hypocrits or criminals.

  8. You adopt a Maoist philosophy, don’t condemn those who vandalize Christian churches, think all black people are alike and vow not to protect innocent people under attack from criminals then I think you’ve divorced yourself from any semblance of religion or the divine. You might have a lead on Satanism, however.

  9. Jonathan when the rioters in Portland burned the Bibles. Did Biden or any of the Democrats condemn them? If they did I didn’t hear any. They don’t condemn any rioters or baby killing by abortion. I don’t beleive they do beleive in our Lord Jesus Christ . How can they when all they do is help the people that is destroying our country that was founded on Christianity

    1. Deplorable,

      “ How can they when all they do is help the people that is destroying our country that was founded on Christianity”

      The majority of our founders were deists this country wasn’t founded on Christianity, it never was.

      Rioters weren’t burning bibles either. They burning trash, tires, police cars, etc. bibles? Maybe the occasional discarded religious tract.

      1. Svelaz:

        Oh ahistorical one. Democracy was founded on Western principles embodied in the notions of individual freedom and divine endowment that the Christian religion represented. Was this religion perfect? No, (and I’ve been a fierce critic) but then again neither are any human philosophies.

        1. “ Democracy was founded on Western principles embodied in the notions of individual freedom and divine endowment that the Christian religion represented.“

          Nope. Christianity is not a democracy. It never was. It’s actually a dictatorship. You’re literally a slave as subservient to one authority. You’re not allowed to question it, you’re required to obey it, if you don’t you’re punished for eternity with no respite. Christianity has no room for democracy.

          Democracy was founded on principles of borne out of multiple philosophical ideas which pretty much are contradictory to what Christianity is. In fact individual freedom is not a Christian idea. Not when you’re required to pledge allegiance, your life, to one entity who decides what you can and cannot do. Does that sound like freedom to you?

            1. Allan, not even a Constitutional Republic is compatible with Christianity. Christianity doesn’t allow for individual freedom or liberty. Not as long as you are required to pledge your life to one authority who decides what you should or should not do and be eternally punished if you chose individual freedom.

              1. First you wrongfully are convinced America is a democracy when it is a Constitutional Republic. Then you state: ”
                Allan, not even a Constitutional Republic is compatible with Christianity”

                Why not?

                Your answer: “Christianity doesn’t allow for individual freedom or liberty. ” If a Christian decdies not to go to church is he jailed? What is not permitting individual freedom or liberty is your leftist dogma. A Christian can walk in the street and say I love Obama or I love Trump. The church will say nothing. The left might very well riot to stop one from saying I love Trump.

              2. Religion is a choice. In this country a person can accept it or walk away from it. The power of the church is limited to the church. On the other hand leftism is like political Islam and Sharia Law. That type of religion extends outside of the religious institution. If fact your leftist religion is very much like Islamists such as the Taliban destroying history, rioting, looting and killing. So far your religion hasn’t started to plant IED’s in the roadway.

                  1. “Allan brings the cray. A Saturday morning treat.”

                    I certainly do. You and NeedsToBeCommitted are right here on the stage.

              3. You’re going to get kicked out of your atheist club for making them look worse than they already are. In fact, your comment demonstrated more than just ignorance of Christianity, you managed to double-down and prove your ignorance of our constitutional republic.

                Here is just one passage to address your comment:

                Be subject for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor.< 1 Peter 2:13-17

          1. Svelaz, wrong.

            many protestant churches have democratic and republican forms of governance., some say the forms of Presbyterianism informed our particular Congressional structure. more “congregational” forms have direct democracy and some Anabaptist deriavatives are so flat that they border on anarchy, from my viewpoint

            Catholicism is essentially Imperial. There is a maximum leader, but who is not all that active locally. The Dukes of the church (bishops) are authoritative over all matters in their jurisdictions. The priests are a lesser aristocracy.
            Of course Orthodoxy is similar, with less centralized authority in the one bishop. (of Rome)

            1. Mr. Kurtz, everything you pointed out is completely irrelevant. Christianity is pure dictatorship. I is one authority which dictates what you can and cannot do. You are demanded to be subservient to that authority, If you question it you are punished. If you deny it you are punished. You only have freedom if you obey every command given to you. Pretty sure that isn’t the freedom and liberty most conservatives enjoy when it comes to Christianity.

              1. Your assertions are entirely wrong and motivated. Please go learn about Christianity in a fair-minded way. Paul Vanderklay or Bishop Barron are good places to start.

              2. If one doesn’t like the rules of a club one leaves and joins another one. The club is entitled to have rules as long as they are not contrary to the rules of the nation.

                We now see that leftism permits those rules of the nation to be broken. Look around at the rioting, looting and killing all done as a sacrifice to the leftist God Collectivism. Leftist leaders that are mayors do nothing while innocent citizens are hurt. They even try to prevent the federal government from protecting its own property which is what the federal government is supposed to do.

      2. “The majority of our founders were deists this country wasn’t founded on Christianity, it never was.”

        I think this is a stupid statement.

        I wouldn’t argue against Deism (that believes in the existence of a creator) influencing a lot of the founders, but influencing and what the actual personal choice is are two different things. Christianity certainly influenced virtually all the founders even if they were Deists. You draw conclusions without much thought and are not embarrassed by your lack of knowledge.

        One can look at the features that define the individuals and whether or not they stated they were Deists not Christians or whether they invoked God’s help. Were they Baptized? Did they have membership in a church? What were their wives? Did they ever go to church? Did they publicly ask for God’s help? I beleive most of the wives attended church regularly.

        I don’t know the answer. I do know that Washington and a few others made a point of calling themselves Deists and not attending church services, but was that true of the majority? Does it matter? Neither Deists not Chistians should be engaged in the behavior you are supporting. Our founders recognized that was wrong and followed western tradition including Judeo-Christian tradition and reason. Just read at the Declaration of Independence.

        1. Allan, the notion of a Judeo-Christian tradition didn’t exist when the founders wrote the declaration of Independence. Free masonry and deism had a greater influence in the founding of this country than christianity. It’s the very reason why the idea of separating government from religion was deemed important. It’s the reason why Christianity, Jesus, or God is not mentioned in our constitution.

          1. Methinks the wars, fighting, and abuse between Catholics and Protestants depending on who was in charge of the government played a role.

            Can’t pit people against each other so easily when that’s off the table politically. Of course, they found other ways to do that…

          2. You better pull out a history book. Judeo-Christian tradition pre-existed Deism as did the Greek civilization. Would Deism even had existed had it not been for the JudeopChristian tradition?

            Some of our founders were Deists and they took part in the Revolution, along with the writings of the DOI and Constitution. Few if any of them would support any of the deviant and freakish leftist behavior seen today.

        2. No one paying attention can’t help but notice the negative effects of some people abandoning their belief’s in religion & now believing in nothing.

          With nothing to believe in their boat has no ballast to keep them from tipping over thus they have.

          I think I wrote this same type comment like 20 yrs ago, concept proven.

          1. Oky, our leftist friends have merely exchanged one religion with another. They have surrendered their prior religion to the religion of Stalin, Hitler and Mao… leftism.

  10. Meanwhile, Basement Joe explains that the African American community, with notable exceptions (the articulate and clean Barack Obama, perhaps?), lack diversity and think the same way. It sure seems like dementia is robbing Biden of his internal filter.

  11. Just a bunch of bitter people, clinging to their guns and religion. We’re going to put a lot of coal miners out of jobs.
    ——————————–
    The victims of Obama’s and the Progs’ open contempt for people outside the progressive bubble feel the boot of that contempt every day. Progressive governors ban church services while St. Fauci explains that its OK to hook up with your Tinder date. Normal people in Portland or Minneapolis who just want to go about their business. St. Latitia and New York launch a nakedly political strike suit against the NRA. People understand exactly what the President meant.

    President Trump is crazy like a fox. Progs, and even people like Turley, fall for it ever time.

  12. Respectfully, Professor, Democrats continually invoke religion as a justification for their policies. As just one small example, Episcopal Presiding Bishop Curry, in full priestly regalia, was pushing party politics when he condemned President Trump for appearing in front of his burned church with a Bible and then actually embracing those who tried to burn his church down.

    1. He was a pastor in front of his own church! Trump was using the Church and the upside down bible as props for his authoritarian policies. The pastor was condemning Trump for using his church and the Bible in that way.

    2. The professor lives in an establishmentarian matrix where they’d hardly notice that. (The Episcopal Church is a social club hosting dreary sing-alongs. It’s staffed with women and alleged males who want to be den mothers on salary; all the doctrinal and moral heritage is just an impediment to recruitment; it gets you people you don’t want).

      1. Absurd, all churches are social clubs. Not just the episcopal branch. All sing along and have their little rituals that separate their identities. Besides aren’t Christians regardless of sect supposed to forgive their trespassers?

  13. “I do not see either Trump or Biden as particularly religious figures …”

    Then maybe you should learn more about Biden.
    Reuters: “Biden himself frequently discusses how his Catholic faith has guided his actions as a public official.”
    Philip Rucker (NBC): “Biden … credits his Catholic faith with helping him get through the premature deaths of a wife, a daughter and a son.”
    Or consider this recent article: https://www.ncronline.org/news/people/how-joe-bidens-catholic-roots-have-shaped-his-public-life
    There are plenty of other examples of journalists writing about Biden’s faith.
    And Tump’s new ad takes a photo of Biden praying at church and alters it to misrepresent the context: https://twitter.com/i/events/1291091122895245312

    Trump, on the other hand, can’t even identify any specific part of the Bible that’s meaningful to him.

    1. Reuters: “Biden himself frequently discusses how his Catholic faith has guided his actions as a public official.”

      It hasn’t. He’s a perfectly standard-issue Democratic Party careerist. Might have influenced Dale Kildee, or the other Casey, but hardly anyone else active in the Democratic Party in the last 40 years. If it actually did influence him, he’d have changed parties or gotten out of politics.

      1. RME that you believe someone cannot be a devout Catholic and a Democrat.

        Your personal religious beliefs do not determine anyone else’s.

    2. I’m sure all of us here would be very interested in you telling us more about Biden’s & the Progressive Commie Democrat’s ” Catholic faith” as Biden & the rest support “Post Birth Abortion” as they watch as born alive babies are cut to pieces & their organs are sold like parts out of a salvage yards. ” (matter of public record now)

      And don’t just hide behind the fact he’s old & now brain dead as he’s always been mostly brain dead.

    3. “Then maybe you should learn more about Biden.
      Reuters: “Biden himself frequently discusses how his Catholic faith has guided his actions as a public official.””

      ‘Thou shalt plagiarize and do it frequently and in the process bear many other plaigerizers’ ‘Plaigerize thy neighbor and anyone else that has better ideas’.

      I have been looking for those passages in the Bible but so far only see them on the walls of seedy men’s bathrooms at truckstops.

  14. Today’s UU church is a shining example of using religion as a beard for political ideology. Dogma is dogma, and hypocrisy is hypocrisy, no matter how you dress it up.

  15. In his brash way, Trump is correct; I do not think you can be pro-abortion and be pro-God. Now, if Joe wants to come out as an atheist or an agnostic, that is fine with me.

    1. “ In his brash way, Trump is correct; I do not think you can be pro-abortion and be pro-God.”

      That’s hilarious, god himself was pro-abortion. Remember he killed every first born baby in Egypt to prove he was…god. So it’s entirely possible to be pro-choice and pro-god.

      1. Svelaz – there are some who think that is a mistranslation and it should read high-born baby.

        1. Shulte, god killed babies to make a point. Somehow that doesn’t express…love or valuing life. Funny isn’t it?

          1. Svlez – I am agnostic, so it doesn’t bother me one way or the other. However, if you are a Christian, the god that killed those children was the god of vengeance. With Christ came the god of forgiveness. BTW, I used to teach World Religions. That does not make me an expert, but I do keep my hand in.

            1. Paul C. Schulte, I’m an atheist so obviously our views will certainly differ. I thought god was not supposed to be vengeful or forgiving or whatever mood any century or millennium calls for. A being that supposedly is perfect and omnipresent or omnipotent sure has a hard time deciding what mood to be in.

              At least deists had a consistent view of things.

                    1. “I can just see Allan’s nostrils flaring when he wrote this.”

                      Bug, is that what happens to you? I just want to let you know it doesn’t happen to everyone.

                    2. “You hyperventilate instead?”

                      Bug I leave that type of hysteria to you and your fellow democrats, but I am glad you were able to learn a new word.

              1. I thought god was not supposed to be vengeful or forgiving or whatever mood any century or millennium calls for. A being that supposedly is perfect and omnipresent or omnipotent sure has a hard time deciding what mood to be in.

                That’s classic projection. It’s called the Law. In principle, it’s not different from our secular law (constitution). It’s not God that has a hard time deciding, it’s man. If man were to follow His commandments, His covenant with man, then they would receive all that He promised. But man, exercising his free will and defying that covenant reap what they sow. In the same way, we are witnessing today the ramifications of man deciding our constitution was a nice suggestion, but too limiting. Even on this legal blog, we have those that actively support defiance of the law and they desire to be ruled and not governed by an elite that are allowed to operate above the law. So there’s that.

    2. Pro-choice isn’t pro-abortion, and you’re wrong that someone cannot be both pro-God and pro-choice.

        1. The majority of zygotes/blastocysts/embryos die of natural causes (many prior to implantation), so if you think personhood starts at conception and that there’s a god involved, then your god is not averse to killing people.

          As a pro-choice person, it would be fine with me if no one ever chose to have an elective abortion, so no, pro-choice is not pro-death.

          1. Committed to Nothing:
            “The majority of zygotes/blastocysts/embryos die of natural causes (many prior to implantation), so if you think personhood starts at conception and that there’s a god involved, then your god is not averse to killing people. As a pro-choice person, it would be fine with me if no one ever chose to have an elective abortion, so no, pro-choice is not pro-death.”
            ***************************
            Right, so a natural death or one caused by accident is morally equivalent to one caused at another’s malicious hand? That’s why we imprison old age and hurricanes. LOL! Fascinating — if afflicted –mind you have. I guess the only saving grace is that you quit reading what you copy from your talking points eons ago.

            1. Mespo, I neither said nor implied that “a natural death or one caused by accident is morally equivalent to one caused at another’s malicious hand.” Work on your reading comprehension.

              Also stop projecting your weaknesses onto others. It’s tiresome.

              1. Commit:

                Sure you did and I quoted it so the readers can decide. Now you’re all caught and embarrassed ’cause I showed you the fool. Don’t worry. Your minions don’t care. In fact, they relish it. You know, pack identity and all.

                1. On the contrary, Mespo, all you’ve shown is that you’ve inferred something that was neither stated nor implied.

                  Again: Your endless stream of juvenile insults and self-congratulation says a great deal about you. No wonder you like Trump.

        1. Mespo, were you too inattentive to see that “pro-God” was Paul’s phrase?
          You continue to project your own weaknesses onto others, “sophist.”

          1. Yeah you just jumped his bandwagon and of course fumbled right across it onto the ground. You know so very little but on the bright side you show us that every day.

    3. That would require he have an opinion that would be seen as rude by a large bloc of Democratic Party voters. People who are obnoxiously hostile to the churches are unusual off campus. Biden got the nomination when James Clyburn generated a preference cascade among Southern blacks, among whom idioms and reference points are evangelical protestant.

  16. “In other words, Biden could be entirely faithful but he is a tool of the Devil.”

    That’s about a 10 on the speculation meter, Jonny.

  17. Trump is hardly the first to raise the ‘A vote for me is a vote for God’. One of my earliest memories (Boomer here) sees that Baptist preacher crying from the pulpit that Kennedy would kiss the Pope’s ring immediately after taking the oath of office…Or what of Jimmy Carter’s ‘Born Again’ statements in his race against Ford in 1976? And recall Hoover’s refusal to use Al Smith’s Catholicism as a 1928 campaign issue?

  18. He was suggesting that a vote for Biden is a vote against God.

    No, he was suggesting (in a sloppy way) that Biden favors extirpating religion from public life. With scant doubt, Biden never thinks about anything other than the advancement of Biden. Since his vehicle is the Democratic Party, he gets the camp followers, and the camp followers want to do just that. This isn’t that difficult.

    1. Absurd, what hypocritical clap trap are you spewing. Trump is sloppy? I thought he was a stable genius who is just bomb throwing to agitate liberals?

      Give me a break. Trump is just being desperate to pander to evangelicals who ironically worship him despite being exactly what he claims Biden to be against. He’s never invited faith or god on his own. The only time he mentions it is when he’s reading from prepared statements that someone else wrote.

      He wasn’t suggesting anything. He was literally telling people that Biden IS against god. Obama has more religious credibility than trump ever tried to muster.

      The man cleared a park using tear gas and violence so he could take a photo op to show how “religious” he is by holding a bible upside down. The man couldn’t figure out how to hold a bible correctly. The devil certainly is using this guy very effectively.

      1. Peter, you’re always laboring under the illusion that everyone in America is as obtuse as you are. Evangelicals have very circumscribed objects in today’s political matrix. Trump’s general disposition buys them some protection against their aggressive enemies.

        The man cleared a park using tear gas and violence so he could take a photo op to show how “religious” he is by holding a bible upside down.

        What would we do without discredited talking points from you?

        1. Absurd, it’s not I who wears their religion on their sleeve just do curry favor from trump. Those who readily sell their faith to have an opportunity to get what they want is no faithful servant. Being a hypocritical sycophant is preferable to actually practicing their faith. The victimhood mentality among trump’s Christian supporters is just that mentality. The protection they seek is from the consequences of their own vitriol not their faith.

    2. “[Trump] never thinks about anything other than the advancement of [Trump]”

      FIFY

      1. Soon to be Committed:
        And you’re purely altruistic in all your endeavors. The laughs just keep on coming! Do you wear that fools cap of your when you type this tuff?

        1. Mespo, I suggest you work on your tendency to infer things that aren’t said or implied, along with controlling your desire to insult.

    3. Trump and his followers have, in fact, said that opposing Trump is opposing god. Trump uses and upside down bible to pretend to care about religion. He doesn’t, Religion should be a private matter and there should be no religious test for public office but the GOP doesn’t see it that way. Someone should tell them about the Thirty Years War.

      1. Trump and his followers have, in fact, said that opposing Trump is opposing god.

        As always, partisan Democrats live in their own imagination.

      2. The Thirty Years war ended with the Treaty of Wesphalia. It signified the failure of the Holy Roman Empire as the worldy ally of the Roman Catholic church, to regain control over the rogue German states which proclaimed their own interests as part of the Reformation.

        It marked an end to the older feudal order, and the beginning of a new secular order of nationalism and the international principle of law of sovereignty, that nations could decide their own internal affairs without interference from other nations, particularly, in the question of what religion the state would adopt. Adopting NO religion had not yet happened– that was the US contribution to the trend.

        Hence Bavaria remained Catholic and Prussia was then officially and permanently Lutheran. This was before the First amendment and it was not secularism per se, but rather, a system that established the norm of national sovereignty.

        Nobody has been more aggressive at dismantling the international norms of sovereignty established by that treaty, than the US in the post war period, that has tried to finish off what was left of sovereignty via new forms of “international law” that were mostly concerned with abrogating it via treaty systems and novel structures of “law” adminstered by supranational organizations like the UN.

        Republicans have tired of this and under Trump, reversed course back towards nationalism and unilateralism. Some say it started with Bush II. Trump has gone much farther by undermining institutions like the WHO by defunding it. One suspects in the next 3 months he will go a lot farther down that road, too.

        In the past 20 years however, Democrats have proudly proclaimed their allegiance neither to the Westphalian system (or what remains of it) but rather their own “progress” at erasing it with more and more UN and global government structures. Billions in donations from Geo Soros and his friends ensure that trajectory continues, for the good of the richest men on Earth.

        so it is rather humorous for one of our Democrat friends here — “Justice Holmes” to pretend he likes the 30 years war.

    4. “I do not for a moment believe that we can become the next Turkey. ”

      See, Jon, if the U.S. did become like Turkey, it would follow pronouncements like you’ve just made here. This fits right in your ‘what Trump did was bad, but doesn’t quite rise to the level of illegality or impeachment’ file.

      Trump has taken plenty of illegal actions in his term. He’s done’ multiple things worthy of impeachment. And yes, with Trumpism showing that there is indeed one third of the American population who would gladly kill another third while the last watched and did nothing, America certainly has it within its range of possibility to go down the same road as Turkey. It might take a further shift rightward, but it’s within our sights.

      And if it happens, say if voter suppression insures the re election of a president with demagogue and authoritarian tendencies, we’ll all tune into to the Turley column the next morning saying, yes, it was a despicable turn…, but it just doesn’t yet rise to the level of illegality or impeachment.

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