During the Bush Administration I wrote in opposition to the ban of federally supported research using fetal tissue stem cells. At the time, my father was dying for Parkinson’s — just one of millions of people who were suffering from conditions and diseases that could be cured or relieved with the help of such research. Now, The Human Fetal Tissue Research Ethics Advisory Board, appointed by Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Alex Azar, has blocked virtually every application for fetal tissue research to the HHS on ethical grounds. The result is the same. It is an effective ban disguised as an ethics review and the result is the lost of vital time and research for millions who are suffering in this country. It also places a political chokehold on academic work that will put our country at a disadvantage with virtually every other country pursuing new cures and treatments based on fetal tissue research.
Of the 15 members on the board, 10 reported have pronounced opposition to abortion fetal tissue research, and stem cell research. The board is chaired by Paige Comstock Cunningham, the interim president of Taylor University, an evangelical Christian university in Upland, Indiana.
Only one is a clear advocate for fetal tissue research. It is therefore not surprising that the board yesterday recommended barring all but one in a group of applications to do medical research using human fetal tissue donated after elective abortions. It is important to note that all of these applications from the U.S. National Institutes of Health (NIH), were already approved on a scientific basis as promising and well based in science.
The only proposal that passed by a nine-to-six vote was an attempt to develop an alternative to human fetal tissue.
I understand the deep-seated opposition to abortion by many in the country. It is a national debate that continues to rage. However, abortion is legal and protected in this country. Women do not get abortions in order to donate fetal tissue. This science uses donated material to try to save others rather than discarding the material. If you oppose abortion, we have a political system to oppose it and fight for change. This is using science as a surrogate for politics. The fact is that we have this material which will be discarded at hospitals but can be used to help others with debilitating and lethal conditions. At a time when we are losing so many to Covit-19, we do not need our government closing avenues for valuable new treatment and cures for a wide variety of illnesses.
Congress should act to prevent medical science from becoming “politics by other means” at the HHS.
KEY PASSAGE FROM ABOVE:
The board’s chair is Paige Comstock Cunningham, a former president of Americans United for Life, an antiabortion group, who is interim president of Taylor University, an evangelical Christian college. She has testified before Congress against fetal tissue research.
See that: The chair of this board was a former president of Americans United For Life!
Biden declares he will implement a National mandate to wear a mask? Hard pass, fascist.
No doubt you also consider it fascist that we have laws requiring you to wear clothes that cover your genitals in public.
And…Joe Biden repeats the “very fine people” hoax.
Trump condemned the neo-Nazis. There is video proving it. Even Jake Tapper acknowledged this lie on his show.
Biden is lying and knows that he is lying. He doesn’t care.
The thought of a Biden/Harris presidency? One word: SCARY.
Trump lies all the time.
As a simple example, Trump has lied at least 150 times about passing the Veterans Choice Act, which was actually signed by Obama in 2014.
If lying determines who you vote for, then you should choose Biden over Trump, as Biden lies less than Trump does.
To me, the Trump/Pence presidency is a whole lot more scary than a Biden/Harris presidency would be.
Over 170,000 Americans dead from COVID-19, even more people with longterm health problems related to COVID, unemployment over 10%, unsafe to open schools, …
Trump isn’t the only person responsible for that, but he’s the single most responsible person. It didn’t have to be this bad. It’s this bad because Trump is incompetent, dishonest, and uncaring.
Whataboutism?
No. “Biden lies less than Trump does” acknowledges Biden’s lies. But he still lies less than Trump, so if lying determines who you vote for, then you should choose Biden over Trump.
Perhaps you have double standards.
Has Trump illegally invaded and destroyed a sovereign nation as Obama did to Libya in 2011?
Obama isn’t a candidate.
Who is the candidate ? has anyone seen him? her? shim? they?
Biden “has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades.” __Robert Gates secretary of defense for GWB.
Joe Biden “voted against the 1991 Gulf War, in which the United States and a broad multinational coalition quickly achieved their goals, and in favor of the 2003 Iraq War, and regretted both votes. Years into hostilities, he opposed the troop surges that brought some stability to both Iraq and Afghanistan and even insisted that “the Taliban per se is not our enemy.” He argued for carving Iraq into sectarian statelets even as Iraqis voted for cross-sectarian political lists. And he opposed the raid that killed Osama bin Laden. These stances suggest not only that he lacks a philosophy of how to use military force effectively, but also that his instincts on when to use it are often faulty.” https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/bidens-chance-disavow-his-bad-foreign-policy-ideas/612787/
Libya was in a full throated and bloody civil war with Qaddafi set to slaughter the pro-democratic opposition. It was a legitimate from the ground up Arab Spring uprising that instituted a representative and democratic government and featured pro- American street demonstrations, unlike Baghdad, where we were promised that. Obama’s mistake – which he acknowleged (something the pussy braggart Trump is too weak to do) – was not providing enough support against fundamentalists after the revolution.
Here’s Chris Stevens message to the Libyans as he assumed office.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/world/national-security/us-ambassador-to-libya-chris-stevens-introduced-in-embassy-video/2012/09/12/3fc72566-fcd3-11e1-a31e-804fccb658f9_video.html
Thanks for posting this, Book.
Losing Chris Stevens was a tragedy in many ways. He wasn’t your rich donor getting an embassy, but a guy dedicated and experienced in the region who loved the people and culture.
Joe said in his acceptance speech, “too much anger, too much fear, and too much division.” But he was talking about Trump! Did you listen to Biden’s speech? Did Biden come across as angry, dark, fear-mongering, and divisive? You bet he did. Holy crap.
Newsflash: Joe Biden is incompetent, dishonest and “caring.” Oh so caring Joe Biden. That is, unless he is losing his cool and yelling at voters who ask him questions he doesn’t like. In that case Joe Biden will tell you that you are “full of sh*t” or call you a “dam liar” or “a lying dog faced pony soldier” or call you “fat” and ask you if you “want to take it outside.”
And if he’s not insulting VOTERS, he is insulting BLACK interviewers! “You ain’t black” and “are you a junkie?” and on and on the examples go. But the fake news media will make sure to only harp on how awful Trump is and keep it all very quiet about Biden’s very real flaws, gaffes, graft, corruption, lies, ETC.
Joe Biden is a liar and a backstabber. Ask Clarence Thomas and Robert Bork.
Joe Biden is a lifelong career politician whose family has made MILLIONS by cashing in on his office. How many mansions does Joe Biden own after a lifetime in “public service”? Spare us the “selfless public servant” crap. He and his family are now rolling in dough and uber wealthy BECAUSE of Joe’s “political office.” Sickening.
And he is now going senile but the Democrats and their media are doing all they can to hide this fact and continue to LIE to the American people as they cheat and attempt to steal their way into installing Joe Biden into the White House.
NO. WAY.
Gray Anonymous, your voice is getting hoarse from all this shrieking.
REGARDING ABOVE:
That is ‘not’ Commenter Seth Warner. It is instead a malicious troll stalking this blog.
Yeah, Troll, like Seth Warner would really support Gray Anonymous (who is really you).
“Trump is incompetent, dishonest, and uncaring.”
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The usual sophistry from Needs to Be Committed. In 2017, Trump signed a bill revoking the 2014 Veteran’s Choice sunset provision and reauthorized funding which, of course, kept the program alive. He then reauthorized it a second time.It was a Obama era bipartisan bill that was set to expire and Trump revived it. Did he invent it? No. Did he keep it alive to serve veterans? Yes.
Is Committed to Whatever a shameless, incompetent, dishonest and uncaring shill? You decide.
Mespo,
If you were honest and paying attention, you’d know that the bill Trump signed (in 2018, not 2017) is called the Veterans MISSION Act, not the Veterans Choice Act. You’d also know that Trump has repeatedly claimed that people had been trying for decades to pass the Choice Act and had failed.
“Did he invent it? No.”
Thanks for confirming that Trump is a pathological liar. Trump has lied over 150 times about the Veterans Choice Act.
Just a few examples of him lying about it:
* “We passed VA Choice and VA Accountability to give our veterans the care that they deserve, and they have been trying to pass these things for 45 years.”(5/20/19)
* “McCain didn’t get the job done for our great vets and the VA, and they knew it … The vets were on my side because I got the job done. I got Choice and I got accountability. … And Choice — for years and years, decades, they wanted to get Choice. … For many decades, they couldn’t get it done. It was never done. I got it five months ago.” (3/21/19)
* “I disagree with John McCain on the way he handled the vets, because I said you got get to Choice. He was never able to get Choice. I got Choice.” (5/30/19)
* “You know, I got the Veterans Choice. First time in 44 years, the veterans have choice.” (5/14/19)
* “And, by the way, for the veterans, 45 years they’ve been trying to get it. As you know, just recently, I signed Veterans Choice” (4/24/19)
* “We passed Veterans Choice, giving our veterans the right to see a private doctor, rather than waiting on line for weeks and weeks and weeks. Forty-four years they’ve been trying to pass that. I got it passed, it’s signed as of two months ago.” (10/27/18)
Not only was the Veterans Choice Act signed by Obama (not Trump), McCain was a co-sponsor of the bill. Did Trump sign the VA MISSION Act of 2018, which extends Choice? Yes. No one has claimed otherwise. But Trump continues to lie that he was the one who got Choice passed (he wasn’t), that he signed the Choice Act (he didn’t), that others had tried and failed to pass the Choice Act (not true: it was passed under Obama with McCain as a cosponsor).
As for your question about “a shameless, incompetent, dishonest and uncaring shill,” perhaps you’re looking in the mirror as you ask it.
Trump IS incompetent, dishonest, and uncaring.
His incompetence has directly contributed to over 170,000 Americans being dead from COVID-19, even more people with longterm health problems related to COVID, unemployment over 10%, unsafe to open schools, …
Needs to be Committed likes fancy rhetoric and presentation like the empty Obama who didn’t lead to positive change. Trump activates the promises others make and don’t keep. The VA is much better off today then under the empty suit Obama. People like you have blind hate for the President
Veterans Affairs reform is now reality under President Trump
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he has done everything in his power to wind down the seemingly endless wars of the last two administrations and avoid entangling our troops in any more bloody overseas conflicts.
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Through taking executive action and signing bipartisan reforms into law, he has time and again demonstrated his own commitment to delivering the reforms our veterans deserve. He has also made sure the government provides them adequate resources.
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The budget allocation was a record $201 billion for Veterans Affairs this year, and the budget request for next year calls for raising that figure to $220 billion.
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he signed the Veteran Appeals Improvement and Modernization Act, the Veterans Affairs Accountability and Whistleblower Protection Act, and the Mission Act, all designed to create flexible new treatment options while building a culture of accountability. The Mission Act notably allows veterans to use benefits at private medical facilities if their local Veterans Affairs hospital is unable to fully meet their needs.
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The White House also launched an official hotline two years ago to help veterans navigate the complexities of the Department of Veterans Affairs. Since then, the hotline, primarily staffed by veterans and direct family members of veterans, has fielded more than a quarter million calls from veterans and resolved an impressive 94 percent of its cases.
https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/469825-veterans-affairs-reform-is-now-reality-under-president-trump
History is the best predictor of the future.
Biden has been in politics almost his entire life (close to 50 years) and he has done nothing or almost nothing significant . Maybe that is an overgeneralization because he has done things that appeal to racists and sexists even though today he takes a new position. He had his chance to show off his goods and aside from demonstrating an ability to improperly use his office for his families financial gain I see very little talent.
Trump ran for President on a platform that he has mostly implemented. The wall is being built, illegal immigration is down (though democrats protect illegals that are rapists and murderers). The economy drastically improved despite the democrat prediction of economic failure. Employment rose to unbelieveable levels with the lowest unemployment for blacks and hispanics. He promised to pull our armies out of foreign lands. He hasn’t completed that in part because democrats and the deep state all profit off of our foreign entanglements. Trump has led the way for peace in the Middle East. His predecessor got us into wars (Libya as an example) and watched while Russia invaded sovereign states, Crimea and Ukraine.
Those are just a few things Trump has done. He has been good to his word something we haven’t seen from other Presidents when they promise all sorts of things after they are elected but never accomplish what they promise.
A vote for Biden is a vote for the hard left that has been destroying our cities. It’s a vote for incompetence that Biden has amply displayed. It is a vote for ignorance for Biden is not a talented individual. Maybe people like to vote for those that are more incompetent and ignorant than themselves in order to feel better about their own failures.
“Trump isn’t the only person responsible for that, but he’s the single most responsible person.”
Correct. Let’s take a look at the decisions made by governors of the states. NY Governor Cumomo is being praised for his handling of covid. His numbers of covid deaths directly as a result of his bad judgment and his bad policy are the worst in the country, yet Cuomo is being lauded as some kind of hero. It’s all disgusting. Trump followed the experts. The experts like Fauci were saying it wasn’t that big a concern back in February! Pelosi was saying come to Chinatown in February. DeBlasio was saying come to NYC. His health commissioner was saying ride the subways, come to NYC, don’t worry, be happy. And NY did very bad with covid deaths. It wasn’t till March that they started getting their information together. The experts said no point in wearing a mask. The experts said no need to put on a bandana because it is useless. Trump shut down travel from China at the end of January, and he did so against the experts advice. The EXPERTS who Trump was relying on were getting it wrong.
“February … March … January”
The relevant time period started before January and continues to this day. This covers much more of the relevant time period:
https://www.justsecurity.org/69650/timeline-of-the-coronavirus-pandemic-and-u-s-response/
Me: “Over 170,000 Americans dead from COVID-19, even more people with longterm health problems related to COVID, unemployment over 10%, unsafe to open schools, … Trump isn’t the only person responsible for that, but he’s the single most responsible person.”
You: “Correct.”
Glad that you agree that Trump is the single person most responsible for the over 170,000 Americans dead from COVID-19, even more people with longterm health problems related to COVID, unemployment over 10%, unsafe to open schools, …
You: “Trump isn’t the only person responsible for that, but he’s the single most responsible person.”
Me: “Correct” Trump is not the only person responsible. Look to the Governors and local leaders and their deadly misjudgments such as Cuomo’s directive that resulted in thousands of nursing home deaths — a direct result of Gov. Cuomo’s order. Other Democrat governors made similar disastrous decisions.
But because Trump is POTUS and this is an election year, Covid is being blamed on Trump, and only Trump, as the “single most responsible person.”
AND the experts, who Trump has been listening to, have gotten a hell of a LOT wrong. Yet covid and the lockdown – that the “experts” said had to happen – has destroyed the economy, and yet it is all Trump’s fault.
Trump wants to safely open the economy and safely open the schools, and churches, but that is not his decision, it is the decision of state and local leaders and teachers unions, etc.
The only thing Biden has said he would do differently is institute a national mask mandate.
Dems and their media hate Trump, and it is an election year, so all of it is Trump’s fault, which is not true, of course. But hey, politics trumps everything.
There were no “fine people” on the right in Charlottesville that weekend. It was advertised nationally with openly Nazi and white supremacist images and slogans and was attended by that group. No grandmothers marched chanting “Jews will not replace us” that night. Just like the ridiculous but ugly Q Anon movement, Trump has flirted with extremists during his campaign and presidency and they pay him back – and vote for him – as their leader. This is not a mistake.
“There were no “fine people” on the right in Charlottesville that weekend. It was advertised nationally with openly Nazi and white supremacist images and slogans and was attended by that group.”
That thought of yours tells us that the peaceful protestors weren’t peaceful. It was shown to be violent and the peaceful protestors remained. Your hypocricy remains only second to your lack of credibility.
There were fine people in Charlottesville and a lot of fine people that were not engaged in violence or the left wing Nazi groups were prevented from freely leaving by the leftist mob. The police did not do their job that day as all groups were supposed to be kept apart.
Charlottesville was a setup by Democrat operatives. A dozen white boys carrying tiki torches –and yet Dems are still talking about it? Joe Biden launched his presidential campaign based on this?
But not a word from Democrat lawmakers about the violent protests, anti-cop rioting, assaults, looting, lawlessness, and destruction by thousands of Antifa/BLM activists happening all over the country. Not a word of this was mentioned at the DNC convention. Not a peep.
It certainly has that appearance.
Second word: sanity.
Just wait until November 4 when all the BLM Democrats will be rioting in the streets collecting their reparations… because when Trump wins, again, they feel entitled to destroy our cities and riot in the streets throwing a tantrum. Let’s talk about “decency” and “respect” shall we, Joe Biden? Has one single Democrat condemned this violence? No.
Good lord, people need to prepare for this election and be ready for civil war. Why? Because Democrats do not accept the results of our elections when THEY DO NOT WIN. They have not accepted the results of 2016. No matter how much they cheat, if they cannot succeed in stealing an election, they will create CHAOS and destruction and intimidation – just as they have for the past four years. Prepare for chaos from the Democrats and their Antifa/BLM activists. It’s coming.
Wallace asked Trump “can you give a direct answer that you will accept the election?”
“I have to see,” Trump said of accepting the result in November. “I have to see. No, I’m not going to just say yes. I’m not going to say no, and I didn’t last time either.”
Has Hillary Clinton been asked when she will accept the results of the 2016 election and stop saying that she won?
Neither the Democrat lawmakers, nor their media allies, have accepted the results of the last election.
Now, four years later, as we head into the next election, with violent riots in our streets, will Joe Biden be asked by Wallace if he will accept the results of the 2020 election? Will Joe Biden be asked to condemn the violence?
Has Joe Biden sat for any serious interviews to answer tough questions from Chris Wallace or any other serious journalist? No, he has not.
Whoa. Joe Biden’s angry speech was just plain scary. Whatcha gonna DO different than Trump is already dong, Joe? You didn’t tell us. You just seemed very angry. Yikes.
Trump 2020 because EVERYTHING depends on it.
Yikes. @PeteButtigieg doesn’t know that Barack Obama and Joe Biden twice ran for President and Vice President against gay marriage?
Trump has been FOR gay marriage years before Obama or Biden changed thier politically expedient phony positions against it, to then say they were for it. Trump was always on the record as for it. Nothing changed for Trump. Obama lied to voters (no surprise). Biden was always against it.
OT: Illegal immigrant hailed by Democrats deported under Clinton, re-arrested under Obama
ICE records show alien’s detention, legal troubles started both times under Democratic presidents.
An illegal immigrant featured in a video on the third night of the Democratic National Convention was first deported in 1998 …
JTN
“Women do not have abortions to provide fetal material for medical experimentation” but Planned Parenthood does make money selling fetal parts. It is in PP’s interest to encourage abortion; they are making a fortune. And as to the person who pointed out that abortion in not illegal let me point out that legal and moral are not necessarily the same thing. Slavery was legal. I might also add that I am not opposed to medical research; my son is an MS patient and struggles with it every day and the coarse of my life has been determined every day for the last 35 years by an incurable autoimmune disease. My getting well is not worth the price of one child’s life.
Coverage Of Fetal Tissue Ban From ‘Science Magazine’
An ethics board convened by the Trump administration today recommended that the United States refuse to fund all but one in a group of applications to do medical research using human fetal tissue donated after elective abortions. The applications, made to the U.S. National Institutes of Health (NIH), had already been recommended for funding by scientific reviewers and had met existing legal requirements for ethical use of the tissue.
The Human Fetal Tissue Research Ethics Advisory Board, appointed by Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Alex Azar, reviewed the 14 proposals last month. Its recommendations that 13 of them be rejected, delivered to Azar and Congress today, were the first under a new regime implemented last year by the Trump administration, in which projects by extramural, NIH-funded scientists using human fetal tissue need to pass an extra layer of ethics review.
Azar, who will make the final decision about whether to fund each proposal, made no comment this evening. HHS could not say when he would have decisions on the 14 proposals, which included both grants and contracts.
At least 10 of the board’s 15 members have publicly opposed abortion, fetal tissue research, human embryonic stem cell research, contraception, or a combination of these. Only one board member, Lawrence Goldstein, a neuroscientist at the University of California, San Diego, has been an outspoken advocate of fetal tissue use. “I am obviously disappointed by the obvious bias in the membership of the so-called ethics board and the obvious biased consequences for the outcome,” he tells ScienceInsider. “Excellent disease-relevant research will likely not be funded and it will not be possible to reduce the need for human fetal tissue in disease research.”
Paige Comstock Cunningham, the board’s chair and interim president of Taylor University, an evangelical Christian university in Upland, Indiana, could not immediately be reached for comment.
Scientists use human fetal tissue to study and develop therapies for diseases and conditions from diabetes to congenital heart defects to blindness. They also use the tissue to develop mice with humanlike immune systems to conduct research on infectious diseases, particularly HIV. Such mice could also be useful in the fight against the new coronavirus, proponents argue. In 2018, scientists at an NIH meeting attended by HHS leaders argued that human fetal tissue remains the “gold standard” for developing such mice. In 2019, NIH spent $109 million on about 175 projects that used human fetal tissue; this year, it expects to spend $116 million.
The near-blanket rejection of the proposals has upset scientists who support research with fetal tissue. “Crucial advances in biomedical research will be slowed because of the American restrictions on research using human fetal tissue,” Christine Mummery, president of the International Society for Stem Cell Research and a stem cell scientist at Leiden University Medical Center, says in response to the report. “People may die unnecessarily because the administration has allowed an ideological special interest group to hijack biomedical research.”
The Trump policy, announced in June 2019, has already shut down studies by NIH staff scientists that use human fetal tissue. The board’s decisions announced today concerned proposals by extramural investigators. The administration’s fetal tissue research restrictions are not law and could be reversed by a different presidential administration.
Edited from: “New U S Ethics Board Rejects Most Human Fetal Tissue Research Proposals”
Science Magazine, 8/18/20
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NOTE: “Science Magazine” is one of the nations oldest and respected publications in the field of Science.
SIGNIFICANT PASSAGE FROM ABOVE:
“Paige Comstock Cunningham, the board’s chair and interim president of Taylor University, an evangelical Christian university in Upland, Indiana, could not immediately be reached for comment”.
See that? The chair of this board is president of an evangelical Christian university. In case anyone was wondering if this board is even vaguely objective, Paige Comstock’s current day job tells us all we need to know.
DOUBLE SUPER SIGNIFICANT PASSAGE FROM ABOVE:
See that? I’m happy as a pig in mud
REGARDING PIG PHOTO
This was not posted by Commenter Seth Warner. It was posted instead by the malicious troll who keeps stalking this blog.
Yet this post and troll remind that healthcare professionals in the field of women’s health are threatened every day by malicious unknowns.
IM:
Looks like Seth to me. Even says so. So how do you know differently since you’re not Seth?
“ had already been recommended for funding by scientific reviewers and had met existing legal requirements for ethical use of the tissue.”
Ethics and science are two different things. Ethics to a great part is determined by the public who in this case is funding the studies.
Therefore one has to look if there are alternative solutions and there are, in fact there are preferable ways of doing such research. Use of stem cells is the major way. There is also private industry which makes their profit off of valuable research. No need to burden the conscience of those paying the bill with such alternatives available. They did approve something which shows there is an evaluation.
“Congress should act to prevent medical science from becoming “politics by other means” at the HHS.”
Turley really hasn’t been paying attention. Medical science has been effectively silenced under Trump’s reign.
enigmainblackcom wrote, “Medical science has been effectively silenced under Trump’s reign.”
I’ll say this right up front; that’s partisan propaganda hyperbole bunk, now if you have a lot of real evidence to back your claim up I’ll read it.
Witherspoon: This is from ‘Science’ Magazine (full post above)
“Paige Comstock Cunningham, the board’s chair and interim president of Taylor University, an evangelical Christian university in Upland, Indiana, could not immediately be reached for comment”.
See that? The board’s chair is an anti-abortion evangelical. In other words, ‘not a real scientist’.
Damn Paint Chips, you are slow. Does she claim to be a scientist? The board exists to advise on the ethical aspects of fetal tissue research programs. From your own article:
The administration’s fetal tissue research restrictions are not law and could be reversed by a different presidential administration.
If you don’t like their worldview on what they deem as ethical, then elect a different president.
Olly believes Evangelicals should be dictating public policy.
By the way, Olly, how is Trump doing with women voters? A last look at the polls showed a major deficit there.
Olly believes Evangelicals should be dictating public policy.
If an evangelical advocates an ethical worldview I believe in, then they have my support. This is not difficult for normal people to understand.
By the way, Olly, how is Trump doing with women voters?
🤔?
By the way, how’s that green new deal energy policy working for Californian’s suffering rolling blackouts?
Olly, you’re allegedly in California. You should know the problem. PG&E is fearful of their aging infrastructure. The fire in Paradise a few years back was triggered by PG&E’s elderly grid. That fire revealed that for years PG&E was paying huge bonuses to executives while deferring upgrades of their infrastructure. Now their whole grid is so old that upgrade costs would be in the billions. And they don’t have the cash! For that reason PG&E has resorted to rolling blackouts to prevent their lines from smoking.
Regarding that Evangelical, if she’s not a scientist, she has no credentials to be monitoring scientists. How can grasp the science behind these studies? It would be like appointing the head of BLM as Chicago’s new police chief.
So by your standard Non Doctor/Scientist Bill Gates should shut the Ph up & be Arrested for Crimes Against Humanity & spreading the current “Gain of Function Bio-Weapons” the Commie Flu & many other Bio-Weapons & Dr Fauci & others should also be arrest for helping Bill Gates/Bill Gates Foundation for creating many other ones & releasing them.
Gee Seth, any intelligent person would have learned a lesson about the accuracy of polls in November of 2016.
Of course, intelligence is not your strong suit.
Seth Warner wrote, “Witherspoon: This is from ‘Science’ Magazine (full post above)
“Paige Comstock Cunningham, the board’s chair and interim president of Taylor University, an evangelical Christian university in Upland, Indiana, could not immediately be reached for comment”.
See that? The board’s chair is an anti-abortion evangelical. In other words, ‘not a real scientist’.”
All of the members have either a PhD and/or an MD beside their names. 10 are PhD’s, 4 have MD’s and 1 has both. These people are required to be “medical scientists” when discussing ethics NOT medical science. A simple definition of ethics is moral principles that govern a person’s behavior or the conducting of an activity, there is nothing in that that requires an MD or a medical scientist.
Witherspoon, that’s exactly how it’s supposed to look. It’s a sham commission with a cloak of legitimacy bestowed by those PhD’s and MD’s beside their names. That’s the whole idea: a sham commission that looks highly official. But they were largely picked for their anti-abortion views. So Trump officials can say: “A distinguished ethics board determined that this fetal tissue research was unnecessary and inhumane”.
That was the entire purpose behind this board when Trump created last year. To create an ‘official board’ making ‘official determinations’. And there’s a poison pill concept behind it. So if Joe Biden takes office and opens funding for currently rejected research, Anti-Abortion activists can say: “In August of 2020 the Fetal Tissue Ethics Board determined that research was unethical. But Joe Biden wants to resume it”. And rightwing media will go with that story.
The board is a sham to serve the purposes of anti abortion politics.
Seth,
From what I’m understanding in your arguments; since those on the ethics board don’t necessarily all reflect your favored politics then it’s bad. Ethics is a very important thing to insert into all things that the United States government does and you’re a damn idiot for trying to bash the board because it’s not what your feeble little mind likes. You’re arguing like a irrational snowflake; grow up and go over to Ethics Alarms and learn a thing or two about ethics.
Sleep well grasshopper.
Good post.
Witherspoon, more and more I’m beginning to think you’re just the same old troll with a new puppet. I wonder who your photo was stolen from.
Seth Warner wrote, “Witherspoon, more and more I’m beginning to think you’re just the same old troll with a new puppet. I wonder who your photo was stolen from.”
If wondering helps you sleep at night then wonder to your hearts content.
Here’s the facts.
1. Click on the name Steve Witherspoon and that will take you to my personal blog that I started last year, it’s called Society’s Building Blocks, Critically Thinking About Things That Change Society.
2. The photo is an actual photo of me and I use that photo across all my commenting including Ethics Alarms, Quora, Althouse, Google, and few blogs local to my area, I’ve also used the same photo for a few magazine articles I’ve written. I also use a photo that was taken at the same photo shoot for my Facebook account, go ahead look me up if you are part of Facebook.
3. I am a long time reader of Turley’s blogs but I only recently (August 17, 2020) chose to be a “follower” and participate in the discussion.
4. I have nothing to hide, I am exactly as I appear, what you see is what you get.
Witherspoon, more and more I’m beginning to think…
That’s your first mistake. You don’t think. At best you feel and then make assumptions off of that feeling.
…you’re just the same old troll with a new puppet.
That’s classic projection. What Steve may not be aware of is that you’re on at least your 6th User Name on this blog. Steve’s honest, he’s thoughtful. Be more like Steve.
“at least your 6th User Name ”
Olly, I can probably round up a couple of dozen that I haven’t forgotten.
I smh every time he attempts to admonish a new contributor on this blog. His inability for self-reflection is exceeded only by his lack of critical-thinking.
PaintChips, you have no perception of neutrality. That is a sign of severe ignorance.
In this case there are two polar opposites that must be dealt with.
The question is, ‘should we use fetal tissue?’ The answer is yes or no.
Since the money being used is public money you have to convince us:
1) that this should be a function of the federal government. One can make strong arguments for the printing of money and maintaining an army.
You have no argument in favor since this can easily be done by private industry or even the states.
2) this is an ethical issue. Much of the country rather not inflame their neighbors. Those that would are democrat leftists who have no problems with antifa and BLM. Many of the others would agree that private industry could deal with fetal tissue while the federal government limited itself to stem cells.
Take note that it is the private sector that is creating the vaccine for Covid.
3) you call it a sham. Prove it instead of just talking out of ignorance. The committee approved one. You can pick out one of the remaining rejections and prove to us why is was a necessary study. Then you can have a debate but that is way above your pay grade.
Steve – Will you really read it or will you find any source less than credible so you can deny whatever facts are presented?
https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/attacks-on-science
enigmainblackcom wrote, “Will you really read it or will you find any source less than credible so you can deny whatever facts are presented?”
I said I would, why would you doubt me?
enigmainblackcom,
I’ve started wading through all the “evidence” that you provided to support your claim that “medical science has been effectively silenced under Trump’s reign.”
My first two observations are:
1. The tone of this site is quite similar to the tone of that Washington Post site that claims to be tracking Trumps thousands of lies/misrepresentations/false claims. I went through a random boat load of their claims back when their list was around 14K long and found nearly all of what I read was differing opinions NOT lies, misrepresentations, or false claims. When hate drives preconceived notion the results will always be logically flawed. I went thorough a couple hundred over a couple weeks doing my due diligence in searching out the truth and the percentage of what I saw that were actually what they were claiming was very, very low and yes that means that sometimes it appears that President Trump has lied, misrepresented or made what turned out later to be false statements. The Washington Post used to call their page Trump’s Lies until people like me complained that the Washington Post was actually lying by calling all these things lies.
2. From what I’m reading so far, I’m beginning to think that The Union of Concerned Scientists who put this site together would blame President Trump for the smell of my farts after I eat a plate full of boiled cabbage.
I’m going to read a bunch of the things they posted to see how much supports your claim. My first glance scanning through the headlines of the articles is that a lot of the things they’re talking about are the direct or indirect affects of reducing regulations and that was a campaign promise of Donald Trump during the campaign and not silencing medical science. There’s a lot to wade through on that site, so I’ll be back with my opinion whether you actually provided support for your claim maybe later next week.
Witherspoon pretends Trump isn’t denying Climate Change. Like that freak storm in Iowa didn’t happen last week.
Seth Warner wrote, “Witherspoon pretends Trump isn’t denying Climate Change.”
No I don’t, I’ve just got enough intelligence to know that denying Climate Change ≠ medical science has been effectively silenced under Trump’s reign, only an imbecile would conflate the two.
Seth Warner wrote, “Like that freak storm in Iowa didn’t happen last week.”
Freak storms routinely happen, the one that swept over Iowa is an example of that. Is it due to climate change? We can assume yes or we can assume no; as for me I try not to assume like that so I say prove it to me one way or the other and no one can all they have are correlation = causation arguments and any scientist that’s not an activist and hell bent on their agenda knows full well that Correlation ≠ Causation.
Since you brought up Climate Change, here’s a really interesting post about that.
Here is my personal opinion on climate change…
The fact is that human activity is contributing to global warming and climate change.
The fact is that we’ve taken hydrocarbons — in the form of crude oil, natural gas, coal, … — from underground and burned them, adding greenhouse gasses to the atmosphere.
The fact is that we’re already seeing the harmful effects of warming.
It’s foolish to talk about “the exact reason the earth is warming,” as if there’s one sole reason, when there’s more than one factor. Human activity is a significant contributing factor. Agreed that “Climate change is always happening,” but human activity hasn’t historically been a significant contributing factor (in terms of the history of our species), and it is now, and the net effects of the changes we’re contributing to are bad for humans, and especially bad for the global poor.
CommitToHonestDiscussion wrote, “The fact is that human activity is contributing to global warming and climate change.”
The real problem is population growth, we are a scourge on the Earth. If you want to have a long term solution to the growing global problems of over consumption of natural resources and pollution then advocate for the “One and Done” family planning for at least the next generations, maybe more.
Any couple that has more than two natural born children is contributing to the growing global population problem. Any couple that has only two natural born children is flat-lining the global population problem NOT making it better. The only couples that are being part of the solution to the global population problem are the ones having one natural born child or no natural born children. Adopt as many children as you like.
Think LONG TERM solutions and help make One and Done a popular choice world wide!
Steve, that is true enough, but 2 points. Long term projections – mid century I think – show world population steadying and eventually declining, Not guaranteed, but the trends are good if 3rd world wealth continues to increase (counter intuitive, but poorer people have bigger families). The other point is that our current economic behavior requires growth and our aging populations need more youth to support them. I don’t know how we deal with that.
Important book which provides a lot of data showing the positive curve for humans across the world since WWII (and before) on metrics of health, wealth, decreasing violence, etc is Harvard Prof Steven Pinker’s Enlightenment Now. The title speaks to the age of reason which yielded science and now humanism as the catalyst for our quickly changing – to the better by him – circumstances. It has received a lot of attention, out now for maybe 2 years.
https://www.amazon.com/Enlightenment-Now-Science-Humanism-Progress/dp/0143111388/ref=asc_df_0143111388/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312064598816&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=10445593628530780730&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9011723&hvtargid=pla-588656469525&psc=1
Great idea! When are you taking your message on the road to China and India? Perhaps we should simply take the North Korean approach to family dogs and just round up the extra children and use them for medical research or go all Soylent Green on them.
If one subscribes to the theory that humans have caused a deadly rise of temperature in recent years then they should be complaining more about the ineffectual ways that have been proposed to manage the problem.
One way is for Americans to destroy their lives while the left supports illegal aliens enterring the country and increasing our footprint. They support all sorts of things that take tremendous energy to build, have shorter lifespans than accepted and destroy the environment. They wish to stop nuclear and natural gas. They are willing to make Americans suffer but let the Chinese off the hook. They will permit rioting and looting along with burning things down costing billions. Those things have to be rebuilt again causing more global warming.
That was a scattered few examples in no particular order but demonstrates the hypocricy of Needs to be Committed along with those that like her don’t think and are ignorant.
PaintChips, do you realize how stupid that statement makes you sound?
I’ve only had a chance to read through a few of these and so far they don’t backup your claim that “medical science has been effectively silenced under Trump’s reign” but that’s only a few out of a multitude. Just so you know my perspective, changing a regulation/rule/law/etc is not equivalent to being silenced.
enigmainblackcom just so you know, life took a turn yesterday evening and I less time to spend online for a little while so I won’t be completing this as soon as I had hoped. This kinda stuff always takes a second seat to family. This is interesting claim you made and I’ll get back to it as soon as I can. You’ve been patient for the last week and I thought you should know.
enigmainblackcom,
I did finally get back to wading through the plethora of things claimed in the link your provided and I’ve come to the conclusion that you have not support your original claim that “medical science has been effectively silenced under Trump’s reign”.
You need to consider the fact that most of the things in that link you provided were not even related to “medical science”. Also, it’s not “effectively silencing” medical science if a political decision is made that doesn’t bow to the opinions of some scientists, the science and the opinions of the scientists still exist regardless of the political decisions that are made that oppose the opinions of some scientists.
I honestly don’t think you could ever prove your claim that “medical science has been effectively silenced under Trump’s reign”, the claim is way too inclusive of all medical science in the United States.
“science-based health and safety protections”
Here is what “science-based health and safety protections” get you, enigma:
“Drug & Device Lawsuits
Drug and medical device companies are responsible for delivering safe products and for warning about potential risks. But manufacturer negligence and flaws in the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s approval process may put millions at risk of serious, debilitating injuries — including death. People injured by drugs and medical devices turn to the legal system for help.”
https://www.drugwatch.com/lawsuits/
Your “science-based health” is highly flawed.
The reason it is highly flawed, is because scientists are people, and there is never any shortage of people who will do anything for money.Including people in the FDA.
“Turley really hasn’t been paying attention. Medical science has been effectively silenced under Trump’s reign.”
Enigma, give us specifics. Medical science under Trump is moving very quickly with regard to this virus. It appears we may have a vaccine very shortly something that was said to be impossible in such a short period of time. We now have brand new testing and are quickly working in the direction of improving our care for Covid while protecting us from new viruses.
We know you hate the President and I can understand that you have different beliefs but a bit of proof is desireable before making the type of comment you just did.
And the Trump administration took data reporting away from the CDC on the issue of u. Everyone knows why. Saying the Trump administration is not about squashing information is to deny one of the things they’re good at.
“And the Trump administration took data reporting away from the CDC on the issue of u”
What are you talking about.
We need better data. We now know that 92% of deaths were above age 55. Look at the death rate in Nursing homes. Look at the deaths in NY especially in the Nursing homes. I’ll bet you thought it was a great idea for Andrew Cuomo to return Covid positive patients to Nursing homes especially with all the beds available on the hospital ship, the Javits and several other hospitals built to bail him out. I wonder what the death rate was under democrat management due to intentionally placing Covid positive patients into Nursing homes.
Awhile ago I saw a headline stating Cuomo killed 11.000 Nursing home patients. I don’t think we know how many but that is one headline.
The CDC’s data is a complete sham:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/about-us-cases-deaths.html
“A confirmed case or death is defined by meeting confirmatory laboratory evidence for COVID-19.
A probable case or death is defined by one of the following:
* Meeting clinical criteria AND epidemiologic evidence with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID-19
* Meeting presumptive laboratory evidence AND either clinical criteria OR epidemiologic evidence
* Meeting vital records criteria with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID19”
https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/attacks-on-science
I looked at it and if you want to be political you can go to that site. It isn’t science. Pick out whatever item(s) you wish from there and provide the science. (Science requires both sides). Then we can talk about it and determine what is right and what is wrong.
Leftist science tells us that we shouldn’t gather in large groups and should maintain social distancing except when there is protesting and looting. Those people are immune. Leftist science wants to scare the young (while suicide and drug use increase), but in reality 92% of the deaths occur at age 55 plus. Look at who dies with traditional flu. More leftist science is for Covid positive patients to be returned to Nursing homes to infect Nursing home patients.
There is too much spin regarding this virus. Despite the fact that John Say and I have some differences of opinion, read what he writes on the virus. He is mostly correct. That will rid you of a lot of bad ideas about the virus.
“It also places a political chokehold on academic work that will put our country at a disadvantage with virtually every other country pursuing new cures and treatments based on fetal tissue research. … However, abortion is legal and protected in this country.”
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Abortion isn’t the only act that is legal on some occasions and illegal thereafter, but it’s the most gruesome. Do we really want baby parts harvesting to become financially incentivized ? And if we’re last in the Body Snatchers sweepstakes, should we really care?
It’s a bad remake of Rory Calhoun in “Motel Hell.”
Who would admit publicly that they want babies to be killed, terminated, aborted or, otherwise, made dead, and then they want to acquire the residual parts for various purposes? Do they profess abortion in front of their mothers? Who would then go to confession? I mean, “Forgive me Father for I have sinned???” Seriously??? Are these the same people who decry and condemn abused pets, third world children in need of medical care, inadequate wages, sweatshops, slavery, the Holocaust (6 million vs. 62 million abortions since 1973), etc., etc., etc.? There is a lot of bad, nay, evil in the world but abortion is not part of it??? Abortion is not only not illegal but it’s not prohibitively immoral??? Dang!
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Living easy, living free
Season ticket on a one-way ride
Asking nothing, leave me be
Taking everything in my stride
Don’t need reason, don’t need rhyme
Ain’t nothing I would rather do
Going down, party time
My friends are gonna be there too
No stop signs, speed limit
Nobody’s gonna slow me down
Like a wheel, gonna spin it
Nobody’s gonna mess me around
Hey Satan, paid my dues
Playing in a rocking band
Hey mama, look at me
I’m on my way to the promised land, whoo!
I’m on the highway to hell
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“Abortion is inherently different from other medical procedures because no other procedure involves the purposeful termination of a potential life.”- Potter Stewart
Ethics Board Is Trump-Created
Members Are Mostly Outspoken Abortion Opponents
First Meeting Was Held In Secret Last Month
A new federal ethics advisory board created to evaluate scientific research involving fetal tissue has advised the Trump administration to reject funding for nearly every proposal it considered — a de facto government ban on the work.
In a report issued on Tuesday, the Human Fetal Tissue Research Ethics Advisory Board, established in February by the Department of Health and Human Services, recommended against funding 13 of 14 research proposals. Health Secretary Alex M. Azar II will make the final decision, but the panel’s opinion is expected to hold great weight.
The report, and the establishment of the 15-member panel, revived a decades-old political and scientific battle — fueled largely by social conservatives who now account for a significant part of President Trump’s political base — over whether taxpayers should fund research involving human fetal tissue. The fight is tangled up with the debate over abortion rights, though some of the tissue involved comes from fetuses that were not intentionally aborted.
Nearly two-thirds of the members of the advisory panel are outspoken opponents of the research. The report did not offer specifics about the research proposals it considered, but scientists have said the work holds promise for a range of diseases, including Parkinson’s disease, diabetes and H.I.V./AIDS.
The board members cited various reasons for rejecting the proposals, though none of the decisions were signed. In rejecting one proposal, the authors wrote, “One member had concerns that the study was ‘too interwoven with the practice of abortion.’”
The one proposal that met with the board’s approval did so by a vote of 9 to 6. In that case, investigators were planning to use tissue already “stored in a bio-repository and collected according to guidelines, with no need to acquire additional tissue for the planned studies,” the report said, adding that the study would obviate the need for future fetal tissue research.
Two members of the group issued an extraordinary, unsigned dissent included at the end of the report.
The Trump administration suspended federal funding for most fetal tissue research in June of last year. Researchers at the National Institutes of Health were ordered to cease research with human fetal tissue obtained from elective abortions after using up whatever material they had. Federally funded projects at other research institutions were allowed to continue until their grants expired.
Renewals and future proposals, however, had to gain approval from the new ethics board to go forward. The board had its first meeting at the end of July, and much of it was conducted in secret.
Edited From: “Trump Ethics Panel Urges Rejection Of Fetal Tissue Research”
The New York Times, 8/18/20
The NYT isn’t a news source, it is propaganda. Their mast head should read, “All the news that fits”.
And Fox isn’t a news source; it is propaganda for Trump. Now what do we do?
What is promoted as fact by the news portions of Fox is factual with corrections when they are known to err. The NYT uses anonymous sources and makes front page news into opinion coming from the left. That is their problem. They treat fact and opinion as one and the same. Even the opinion portions of prime time on Fox are very careful about facts. If the NYT were the same I would subscribe to their print edition.
Bill53, Meet me in the men’s room. I’m giving out warm towels, back rubs & spit shine shoe shine & than some…..You won’t be disappointed!
COMMENT ABOVE:
That is ‘not’ Commenter Warner but a malicious troll who stalks these threads daily.
Somewhere along the line I thought an ethics approval was needed to do this type of research. I guess there wasn’t or what they had was insufficient. The abortion industry along with providing a disputed service hasn’t always been the most ethical. Take note of the videos produced by David Daleiden where the industry placed mothers at increased risk to improve the harest of baby parts at Planned Parenthood.
From what I reviewed the board is 15 members, NON-government including attorneys, doctors, scientists, theologians and ethicists.
If this proves to be a “problem” for research, consider that it has to be a very small problem based on how little is spent on this compared to private research, stem cell research etc. The solution is easy. This tiny bit of research if needed could be done for great profit by private industry and the government could do something that is more ethical and more in keeping with the sentiments of the American people. If it has anything to do with the diseases mentioned by Turley private industry is already looking for drugs and cures for those diseases mentioned, ” Parkinson’s disease, diabetes and H.I.V./AIDS.” and they will greatly profit from success.
Dr T – Maybe we should just start taking organs from prisoners, especially those on death row, since they won’t need them any more. I’m sorry for your father but I’m more sorry that 50Million babies have been amorally aborted. Your suggestion that “OH WELL , they’d be discarded” is barbaric. What has humanity come to that it would be okay to abort babies and create a market for their organs and cells like Planned Parenthood has done. These monsters were caught on tape telling us how they carefully crush the brain (I guess it’s a human) and tear apart the organs to make sure they can sell them. PP is worse than a dystopian novel and liberals have funded it.
Absolutely, notice how Turley refers to executed unborn children as “material” trying to DEHUMANIZE them. Mohammed Ali had Parkinson’s Turley and REFUSED to have anything to do with drugs manufactured from executed unborn children. Your father Turley was no better or important then any of those EXECUTED unborn children. I am disgusted and appalled that I have to be on the same planet as Turley and his minions on this web site.
You don’t deserve the respect of being called a professor.
Agreed, Turley.
If you oppose abortion, we have a political system to oppose it and fight for change.
Now, The Human Fetal Tissue Research Ethics Advisory Board, appointed by Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Alex Azar, has blocked virtually every application for fetal tissue research to the HHS on ethical grounds.
Just to be clear, is this not an example of how our political system can be used to oppose abortion and fight for change?
Olly, I don’t this board existed until Trump came along. They don’t represent Science. Their only real purpose is to stymie fetal research.
I don’t this board existed until Trump came along.
So the answer to my question is yes?
They don’t represent Science. Their only real purpose is to stymie fetal research.
In case you missed it, they are an Ethics advisory board. NIH Human Fetal Tissue Research Ethics Advisory Board. Read their charter and you’ll see their purpose is not to stymie fetal research, but to evaluate and make recommendations on whether to fund research projects based what the board considers ethical practices.
Olly, since you seem to know so much, when was this board first convened?
Ethics Boards are the usual not unusual.
You are making things up. The date doesn’t matter because if the board was founded decades ago (probable) you will come up with another excuse and then another excuse in order to come to the answer you wish. That is why in the past you were known as Peter Shill.
It is this type of of rhetoric that makes you the butt of many jokes.
I am fantasying Creepy Joe Biden’s White house Staff & appointment picks
REGARDING ABOVE:
This is ‘not’ Commenter Warner but a troll the regular moderator is unable to control.
This is Seth Warner, a smug pompous commentator
Alan, you are absolutely wrong! The board was created last year and their first meeting was just last month.
What ethics board was utilized when we had a major discussion on stem cell research under GWB?
Send us the citation that told you the board ws created last year. If you are not lying then it might also tell you what board they were replacing.
when was this board first convened?
Why does that matter to you?
YEA..!! TURLEY SPEAKS FOR SCIENCE
The so-called ‘Ethics Board’ in question is essentially a sham commission of anti-abortion dead-enders. Their authority on this matter is an affront to science. Which illustrates how Republicans have this terrible habit of letting religion stymie scientific development.
If one ‘is’ an anti-abortion dead-ender, they can’t possibly approve fetal tissue research. To do so would be ‘validating’ the very practice of legal abortion. So they must take a draconian position that shackles an otherwise promising frontier in medical research.
Stem cells from umbilical cord, placenta or adults have have promising results unlike stem cells from murdered babies.
Martin, we never heard of you before. Just dropped in to comment on this particular post?
PaintChips do you insult everyone when they first appear on the list? The first day I was on this list you were insulting broad groups of people. Martin didn’t insult you but he will likely do so in the future. He provided a factually correct post.
“we never heard of you before”
Who is “we”, Seth?
Don’t speak for me.
Rhodes, you ‘are’ Martin Smith. Why can’t you ever engage in honest debate??
Rhodes, We are many sock puppets….Many sock puppets…That’s who we are!
So?
YEA..!! TURLEY SPEAKS FOR SCIENCE
The so-called ‘Ethics Board’ in question is essentially a sham commission of anti-abortion dead-enders. Their authority on this matter is an affront to science. Which illustrates how Republicans have this terrible habit of letting religion stymie scientific development.
If one ‘is’ an anti-abortion dead-ender, they can’t possibly approve fetal tissue research. To do so would be ‘validating’ the very practice of legal abortion. So they must take a draconian position that shackles an otherwise promising frontier in medical research.
My apologies for the double post. I have had trouble posting in the last 12 hours.
“anti-abortion”
Seth, I’m with you. I cut to the chase and call one side anti-abortion and the other side pro-abortion.
There is no such thing as banning abortion. The only thing you can ban is legal and safe abortion.
Sometimes when I read the posts from the Trump cult, I think to myself, really, that’s the sperm who won?
Nice to see one group has ethics. You wouldn’t find that on the socialist side even to the point of blocking DACA because they are anti abortion being catholics. So where’s the charges on the socialist side. The Regressives.
“Placenta–an alternative source of stem cells”
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15990135/
“Since human cord blood, umbilical cord, placenta and amnion are normally discarded at birth, they provide an easily accessible alternative source of stem cells. We review the potential and current status of the use of adult stem cells derived from the placenta or umbilical cord in therapeutic and toxicological applications.”