I recently testified on Antifa and the growing anti-free speech movement in the United States. I specifically disagreed with statements by Democrats denying that Antifa was playing a role in protests or, as House Judiciary Committee Chair Jerry Nadler claimed, Antifa is a “myth.” This afternoon, FBI Director Chris Wray pushed back on similar claims and declared that “Antifa is a real thing” and that the FBI has various cases of self-identified Antifa members involved in criminal conduct.
As I have written, Antifa is more of a movement than a specific organization. However, it has long been the “Keyser Söze” of the anti-free speech movement, a loosely aligned group that employs measures to avoid easy detection or association. Wray stated “And we have quite a number — and I’ve said this quite consistently since my first time appearing before this committee — we have any number of properly predicated investigations into what we would describe as violent anarchist extremists and some of those individuals self-identify with Antifa.”
Wray was adamant: “Antifa is a real thing. It’s not a fiction” and, while it is not a conventional organization as opposed to a movement, they have arrested people who admit that they are Antifa.
I have repeatedly emphasized that extreme right groups are also responsible for recent violence and Wray made clear that far right violence still dominates in terms of a threat profile. Moreover, I have opposed declaring Antifa a terrorist organization. We have ample laws to deal with such extremist violence from the far left or far right. We do not need to rely on terrorism laws or most recently suggested sedition laws.
My greatest concern is that we need to take Antifa seriously as a virulent anti-free speech organization. There is a fair criticism of some politicians who have refused to denounce the group or even support it. Former Democratic National Committee deputy chair Keith Ellison, now the Minnesota attorney general, once said Antifa would “strike fear in the heart” of Trump. This was after Antifa had been involved in numerous acts of violence and its website was banned in Germany. His own son, Minneapolis City Council member Jeremiah Ellison, declared his allegiance to Antifa in the heat of the protests this summer.
Again, I am less focused on Antifa’s role in recent rioting. It is clearly involved but there are many such groups working behind the scenes. My focus is on Antifa’s increasing presence on our campuses and faculty who are now espousing anti-free speech views or views that either support or rationalize violent conduct.
George Washington University student Jason Charter has been charged as the alleged “ringleader” of efforts to take down statues across the capital. Charter has been an active Antifa member on campus for years. Following his arrest, he claimed the “movement is winning.” It is winning. It is winning mostly since people remain silent. Silence kills free speech. Antifa knows that.
Antifa is an enemy – purely and simply.
Wray mentions right wing groups, can someone please tell me where they’ve rioted, looted, burned businesses and demanded the defunding of police? Surely if they (“right wing groups”) were intent on creating mayhem they would be demanding the defunding of police, ICE or any other law enforcement agency. To date I have not seen nor can I find on the net “right wing” groups calling for the end of police, ICE or any other law enforcement organization. As for the current purchase of weapons by American citizens, that can be accounted for due to the failure of politicians to deal with the riots, looting and burning. Law abiding Americans are concerned they will be the brunt of an unwarranted attack. When we make martyrs and hero’s of those resisting arrest with extensive criminal background and make police the enemy things are backasswards. ANTIFA just didn’t show up they’ve been around for quite awhile the uptick in their efforts is a result of politicians refusing to deal with them and of course screwball professors with tenure. These groups push and intimidate and the politician goes along with it because it suits their purpose.
My question is now that Mr. Wray agrees ANTIFA/BLM are real, what is he going to do about them?
Vietvet, the last real right wing criminal gang with pretensions of sedition was the “aryan republican army” who turned out, 3/5 of their top guys were government informants in the first place
from 94-96 they robbed over 20 some banks. Peter Langan was the leader’s name at the time. now he is called “Donna” and is a trans rights activist famous for getting gender reassignment surgery on the taxpayer’s nickel or at least trying to get it done. I lost track and don’t care but that was the last serious “dangerous” organized gang and it’s been a 25 year dearth sorry to inform Wray though of course we all understand he knows, he is just saying it as a matter of pr
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2018/03/26/trump-administration-enters-into-settlement-talks-over-treatment-of-transgender-inmates/
oh one more crazy factoid about nutty peter langan. his daddy was a CIA agent in Saigon and Peter went to primary school there
Mr.K, Thanks for the FYI, just wanted to make sure I hadn’t missed anything on those “right wing” guys bum rushing Walmart’s.
lol, of course. but don’t miss that little known fact: 5/7 (corrected from my numbers off above) yes 5/7 of the top ARA bank robbers were cooperating if not prior active federal informants
22 bank robberies, one wonders, did their handlers ever tell them to stop? if not why not. or are we too believe that all of them became federal informants only after they got caught?
I dont believe it and it will become very obvious in respect of one discussed at length below. but probably others were informants along the way too.
at what point are investigators ethically obliged to stop the crimes their targets are committing>? not an easy answer but one worth considering.
now let’s see how the jail time maps out for these 7 guys.
as I said, the #1 guy, a transperson now called Donna, peter langan got life
stedeford. got 30 years. pretty heavy sentence. might as well got life. neither of these 2 cooperated and they got the book thrown at them hard. what about the rest?
thomas, cooperated, got 8 years
mccarthy, cooperated, 5 years
#2 man, Guthrie, cooperated to get a plea, then curiously hung himself under suicide watch in his cell day before a trail. ha yeah epstein I know.
another, Brescia, not clear how he cooperated though it appears he did. curiously, he looks just like john doe #2 & knew mcVeigh so one wonders how he only got 57 months
this leads to the strange aftermath story of another ARA member and known and proven bank robber, Shawn Kenny.
Curiously, seems he did not do any jail time at all. [note to the readers: cooperating defendants and informants almost always pull a little time at least.) Kenny got no time.
stranger yet, he was able to enlist in the US army after the ARA gang got rounded up. And deployed. Guess what MOE he had? EOD tech. promoted to E-8. lol, the laughs just keep coming
https://www.citybeat.com/home/article/13020430/cover-story-queen-city-terror
“There’s something either poetic or frightening about Sgt. 1st Class Shawn Kenny of Cincinnati serving on a peacekeeping mission in Kosovo. The 1991 Oak Hills High School graduate is an admitted bank robbery conspirator, founding member of an Aryan hate group and associate of the late Timothy McVeigh.
How Kenny got into the Army in spite of his criminal history — and his white supremacist tattoos — is something of a puzzle. So is his promotion just months after the Army convicted him on morals charges involving an 11-year-old girl.
But what really distinguishes Kenny is his alleged relationship with the man who killed 168 people by blowing up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City in 1995. A new book based on death row interviews with McVeigh mentions Kenny five times.
Kenny couldn’t be reached for comment, of course. His wife, Tabatha Kenny of Cheviot, told a reporter she’d ask him to contact CityBeat. She also said the Army has greatly benefited her family. She means the U.S. Army.
It was Kenny’s membership in the other army, the Aryan Republican Army (ARA), that ties him to McVeigh.
Kenny and other ARA members met with McVeigh in Elohim City, a right-wing militia center in Oklahoma, before the Oklahoma City bombing, according to Secrets Worth Dying For: Timothy James McVeigh and the Oklahoma City Bombing. But the book isn’t the first to raise questions about a Cincinnati link to the Oklahoma City bombing. A CityBeat investigation shows that, within days of the massacre, the FBI and the U.S. Secret Service were asking the same thing.
But perhaps most troubling of all is Kenny’s own account of his mission before joining the military. In 1996 he gave secret testimony to a federal grand jury in Philadelphia detailing the ARA’s violent intentions. CityBeat obtained a transcript of the testimony.
“We had planned on robbing banks and armored cars,” he testified. “Proceeds were to fund the cause, the movement or whatever. Buy guns, ammo, distribute out to other people, like-mindedness groups, to further their cause.”
Did the ARA fund the Oklahoma City bombing? A former Cincinnati Police officer has given new evidence in federal court that, he says, could blow apart the official version of what happened on April 19, 1995.
Nearly 10 years after the bombing, a group of convicts, police officers and defense attorneys find themselves in an unlikely alliance calling for a new investigation of the attack. A handful of active and former cops now say the FBI and the Secret Service lied to them and obstructed local investigations linked to the bombing.
Much about the federal government’s conduct relative to Oklahoma City doesn’t make sense — unless its overarching goal were to cover up its own misconduct. While Congress prepares hearings on the intelligence failures that preceded the 2001 terrorist attacks, law enforcement’s mistakes in the events leading up to the Oklahoma City massacre go largely unexamined.
A CityBeat investigation into the Midwest Bank Bandits — AKA the Aryan Republican Army — raises serious questions about the government’s behavior before and after the bombing. McVeigh’s guilt isn’t at issue; neither is that of Terry Nichols, now serving life in prison for helping him.
The issue is whether other right-wing plotters involved in the bombing were allowed to go free — and if so, why?”
BOTTOM LINE HYPOTHESIS: KENNY WAS A CONTRACTED UNDERCOVER WITH IMMUNITY THE WHOLE WAY
DERIVATIVE HYPOTHESIS: MCVEIGH WAS SHEEP DIPPED TOO. i have read this from serious journalists and doubt it, but after you look at Kenny’s story, one wonders
“Operation PATCON” didn’t just kick over a hornet’s nest of mischief– it actually helped build it;. Whether by incompetence or design, we will never know
A number of the people who were arrested during this summer’s rioting/violence/looting were right-wing extremists.
Here are a few examples:
In MN:
“A Minneapolis police arson investigator said the act of vandalism at the AutoZone on E. Lake Street helped spark a chain reaction that led to days of looting and rioting. The store was among dozens of buildings across the city that burned to the ground in the days that followed. … a tipster e-mailed the MPD identifying him as a member of the Hells Angels biker gang who “wanted to sow discord and racial unrest …”. … A subsequent investigation revealed the man was also an associate of the Aryan Cowboy Brotherhood, a small white supremacist prison and street gang”
In NV:
“Three Nevada men with ties to a loose movement of right-wing extremists advocating the overthrow of the U.S. government have been arrested on terrorism-related charges in what authorities say was a conspiracy to spark violence during recent protests in Las Vegas. … they sought to capitalize on protests over the death of George Floyd … ‘These men are agitators and instigators. Their point was to hijack the protests into violence,’ Nicholas Trutanich, U.S. attorney in Nevada, told AP.”
In VA:
“Riots in downtown Richmond over the weekend were instigated by white supremacists under the guise of Black Lives Matter, according to law enforcement officials.”
“New research, based on almost 900 politically-motivated plots and murders in the US since 1994, found only one person’s death in the last 25 years was linked to “antifa” or anti-fascists, and the person who died was the attacker. In comparison, over that same period, 329 murders were linked to the far-right.” [This was a news article from July 31. Clearly there has now been at least one additional death linked to antifa.] “When the label was broadened from anti-fascists to left-wing violence, it found 21 victims had been killed since 2010, compared to 117 in right-wing violence in the same time period.”
“Media reports have documented that a white supremacist channel on the messaging app Telegram encouraged followers to commit violence during George Floyd protests, according to an internal Department of Homeland Security intelligence note. A Twitter account claiming to be from Antifa that advocated violence was actually run by the white nationalist group Identity Evropa, according to an NBC report.”
LOL, i read about this garbage, “subsequent investigation revealed the man was also an associate of the Aryan Cowboy Brotherhood, a small white supremacist prison and street gang”
what makes a common criminal a “right winger?” because he’s racist? everybody in prison is racist. Aryan Brotherhood is just a criminal gang, there is no politics going on there.
this petty biker gang sounds wholly insignificant compared to that, too, anyhow. outlaw biker? again an outlaw biker is just an outlaw biker. there is no political thinking there.
Not to mention, the “investigation” is not what you say it was. somebody said they looked alike. hey, i watched the video of the autozone thing, and the guy had a mask and goggles and hoodie on and you couldnt id him if you knew him. and the people who say it was him had only seen him once at a prior incident where people were offended bikers were at a cafe or something like that. this is a pathetic fail of an example.
the story is also stale. if they had something on this guy they would have charged him., it’s totally lame and they got nothing there nor do you.
Now on to the rest. let me explain something about the “white supremacist” viewpoint that is a big DUH once you get it. yes i have read their content on internet and I can explain.
They LOVE what BLM is doing and are sitting back on the couch eating popcorn. the BLM is providing a case study in black crime. The “Racists” dont need to lift a finger.
They are not going to get involved, out of pure dislike and fear of black mobs, and they aren’t going to slow it down either.
here was another bogus example: booger bois. these are just anarchist gun nuts. there is nothing “Right wing” about them
another fake story: a twitter account advocated violence. so what? there are like ten thousand pro blm and antifa accounts advocating violence. that is zilch, nothing. and anyhow, some of these ANTIFA freaks actually will pretend to be racists and go on crazy little missions of “infiltration” themselves. the ones with criminal convictions will do it to help work off a beef and play informant and some others will just do it for zany kicks. this is another net zero example
if that’s all you got then it’s a lame joke, just more vapid speculation and lack of evidence, pure innuendo.
you seem like you can think. try and apply thinking to the situation and not just be a cheerleader for some agenda you think fits your own.
Kurtz,
You know what quotation marks mean. If I’m quoting someone, I’m not the one saying it.
I don’t care what your personal opinion is. If you have evidence, present it. If you don’t have evidence, [shrug]
“If I’m quoting someone, I’m not the one saying it.”
***
Actually you are unless you are quoting someone to pointedly disagree with them or modify a stance.
You toss multiple statements out, presumably for authority, and then try to jump aside when a problem appears.
Apparently all of your quotes are meaningless chaff unless you step up and openly reject or embrace them.
Fundamentally dishonest.
HA! WHAT A TROLL
you make the assertion, provide FAKE AND INCOMPETENT NOT-EVIDENCE, then pretend you have proved your assertion
I merely cross examine your fake evidence and illustrate that it is not. I do not need to prove a negative.
Typical BS from a troll
Here’s another thing. if you take it arguendo that there were like what alleged 5-10 right wingers who did some mischief, it hardly matters when you have TENS OF THOUSANDS OF BLM AND ANTIFA LEFTISTS COMMITTING FELONIES OVER 3 MONTHS WITH IMPUNITY OUT IN THE OPEN
a normal human being would be ashamed to advance such preposterous notions as the fake news that somehow right wingers were resonsible for all the riots and arson etc
but the lying-press is not normal and their boosters are not either
I think Commit is paid to promote the agenda no matter how absurd it may be.
Your end goal (Biden winning) grows ever dimmer due to your sophomoric idiocy, Commit.
“Polls: Support For BLM Falls Further; Americans See ‘Protests’ As Riots, Believe There Is A War On Police”
https://summit.news/2020/09/18/polls-support-for-blm-falls-further-americans-see-protests-as-riots-believe-there-is-a-war-on-police/
“The Rasmussen poll reveals that while white voters are most likely to support ‘Blue Lives Matter’ laws (63%), a majority of 52% of black voters also support the idea, in addition to 49% of other minority voters also expressing support.
The poll also found that a huge majority of 84% of black voters expressed concern that attacks on police would lead to a shortage of police officers and a decline in public safety.”
If you actually knew lots of hard working law abiding black people, and called lots of them friends, you would already be aware of that reality. But you don’t, and just to make it even worse, you have no street smarts.
But keep defending leftist psychopaths who in reality could care less about BLM, and repeatedly set fire to buildings while barricading the exits in order to burn people to death.
You will see where that gets you in November.
“My greatest concern is that we need to take Antifa seriously as a virulent anti-free speech organization. ”
I agree and you can learn more about Antifa here.
Antifa.com
Wray was born and raised on the “7th Floor.”
Wray was fully aware of every act of the Obama Coup D’etat in America.
Wray was supposed to be protecting America from the likes of the tyrant Obama and all of his many co-conspirators.
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“We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.”
– William Casey, CIA Director 1981-1987
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The Obama Coup D’etat in America is the most egregious abuse of power and the most prodigious crime in American political history.
The co-conspirators are:
Kevin Clinesmith, Bill Taylor, Eric Ciaramella, Rosenstein, Mueller/Team, Andrew Weissmann,
James Comey, Christopher Wray, McCabe, Strozk, Page, Laycock, Kadzic,
Sally Yates, James Baker, Bruce Ohr, Nellie Ohr, Priestap, Kortan, Campbell,
Sir Richard Dearlove, Christopher Steele, Simpson, Joseph Mifsud,
Alexander Downer, Stefan “The Walrus” Halper, Azra Turk, Kerry, Hillary,
Huma, Mills, Brennan, Gina Haspel, Clapper, Lerner, Farkas, Power, Lynch,
Rice, Jarrett, Holder, Brazile, Sessions (patsy), Nadler, Schiff, Pelosi, Obama,
Joe Biden, James E. Boasberg et al.
Mr George- Your right on the money and Clindink for his part will have to serve two weeks KP duty while the others skate. Sad for our nation and it’s people.
“The world suffers a lot. Not because the violence of bad people. But because of the silence of the good people.”
NAPOLEON BONAPARTE
Except for Alcohol Prohibition, when was the First Amendment and Bill of Rights amended to take away individual liberties? What constitutional-amendment was that? Where is “terrorism” or “extremist” etc listed in the U.S. Constitution? Any group from AARP to the NRA to Antifa is composed of individuals, each individual has individual rights. Just because a few people in a group commit a crime doesn’t make it legal to violate the individual rights of the peaceful members of any group. Do we get to search every police department based on the actions of one bad cop? FBI officials have been convicted of crimes, does that justify searching every other agent? If so we could search Director Wray’s house without a warrant.
I don’t know if Antfi are right-wing or left-wing. Nazi or Commie. Readers should look up the Korematsu case by the Supreme Court in WW II. It upheld the concentration camps and roundups of Japanese Americans (some born here) and Germans. Remember The German American Bund?
Lock em up!
I’d be more convinced about Turley’s condemnations of Antifa if he spent as much time and energy denouncing violence from the right as he does from the left, instead of inserting, in his posts on Antifa, what seems to always appear as an afterthought: “there is right-wing violence too”. It’s better than ignoring right-wing violence, and preparations therefor, altogether, but neutrality that is a little easier to detect with respect to right-wing and left-wing violence would go farther.
When comparing levels of recent violence between left and right, the left wins in a landslide. I should remind you too that our MSM is hardly an objective source for news nowadays. If you’re reading and believing what the MSM is writing, you’re being deceived. So if there’s violence or a mere protest from the right, you’re going to hear about it in the most negative possible way. The MSM ridiculously characterizes riots and looting perpetrated by antiifa and BLM as mostly peaceful. You will never hear anything like that regarding a protest involves conservatives. There is no fairness or balance in journalism now. So Turley is right and fair to stress violence from the left vs the right. Disclosure, I like Turley as his politics seem in line with mine, ie centrist. Another disclosure, I do not like Trump, I did not vote for Trump.
“denouncing violence from the right”
In light of the well known fact that Antifa, not the “right”, is orchestrating riots on a daily basis, openly destroying private and public property, looting, killing people, and setting fire to occupied buildings and barricading the occupants inside to prevent their escape, that is one pathetic attempt at deflection.
But as it is, it will cost the Democrats dearly in November. That’s because most Americans are not sociopathic wingnuts like you.
The best you can do as far as Antifa crimes goes is tearing down statues? The Proud Boys, The Boogaloo Bois and their allies pose as Antifa and BLM as part of their strategy to demonize ‘The Left’, its an America tradition dating back, at least, to Eugene V. Debs.who served time:
‘Ironically, he was in prison at the time, serving a sentence for having criticized the U.S. government’s prosecution of persons charged with violation of the 1917 Espionage Act. He was released from prison by presidential order in 1921’
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Eugene-V-Debs#ref1205126
Mr. Turley you long for that political limelight, as demonstrative of your status of not just ‘expert’, but part of that cadre of Technocrats that Lippmann found to be the essential check on ‘too much Democracy’.
StephenKMackSD
antifa sympathizer Mr Mack makes a claim with no supporting evidence. some people call that a “conspiracy theory”
prove the persons you claim were “posing” as antifa and explain how and provide your verifiable evidence.
and I don’t want to hear about some anarchists called booger boys pretending to be anarchists. they are anarchists so it’s preposterous to lump them in with Proud Boys or Patriot Prayer or various other coherently “Right wing” groups. The Booger bois are just an unassociated phenomenon of anarchistic gun nuts hopping on with other anarchists of antifa for a joy ride at the riots. Lock them up too, please.
“A former model has come forward to accuse Donald Trump of sexually assaulting her at the US Open tennis tournament more than two decades ago, in an alleged incident that left her feeling “sick” and “violated”….
….Dorris, who was 24 at the time, accuses Trump of forcing his tongue down her throat, assaulting her all over her body and holding her in a grip she was unable to escape from…..“He just shoved his tongue down my throat and I was pushing him off. And then that’s when his grip became tighter and his hands were very gropey and all over my butt, my breasts, my back, everything.
Dorris, who lives in Florida, provided the Guardian with evidence to support her account of her encounters with Trump, including her ticket to the US Open and six photos showing her with the real estate magnate over several days in New York. Trump was 51 at the time and married to his second wife, Marla Maples.
Her account was also corroborated by several people she confided in about the incident. They include a friend in New York and Dorris’s mother, both of whom she called immediately after the alleged incident, as well as a therapist and friends she spoke to in the years since. All said Dorris had shared with them details of the alleged incident that matched what she later told the Guardian.
Dorris, now 48 and a mother to twin daughters, said she had considered speaking publicly about the incident in 2016, when several women made public similar accusations against the then Republican candidate for president. But she decided against coming forward, in part because she thought that doing so might harm her family….”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/17/donald-trump-accused-of-sexual-assault-by-former-model-amy-dorris?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=edit_2221&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1600337422
another stale accusation. Dem operatives go around ginning up new controversies, that weren’t for two decades? not credible
When 25 women accuse one guy of the same thing, and that guy brags on tape that this is what he does; you have to assume it is true. Now I know the guy denied it. The guy has denied pretty much everything during his Presidency – more than 22,000 lies – even things we can see for ourselves are obviously untrue.
feel free to believe whatever you like. it is stale nonetheless. outside the statutes of limitations as much as, say, bill clinton raping Juanite Broderick
Bill Clinton was a scoundrel in that regard, but I heard the point made at that time that ‘Republicans were obsessed with sex” and so forth. one can see that is a two edged knife
Bill Clinton’s performance as president had its ups and downs, but, overall he was certainly able to handle the responsibilities.
That’s the choice we all have to make. Has Trump proven he is able to handle these responsibilities or do you think that Joe Biden suffering from dementia will do better.
I heard voices here that think Joe with Dementia is a better choice. If you see it that way and want Kamala Harris to finish his term, go ahead and vote for them
I’ll be voting for trump regardless of this lady and her sad story. I wish her well. Meanwhile matters of graver importance are at hand.
Kurtz, do you understand why many women and men who’ve been assaulted don’t publicly speak about it at all, and others don’t publicly speak about it for a long time?
Do you all tell the people abused by pedophile priests that their claims are “not credible” simply because they didn’t speak publicly for years?
Shame on you to be so dismissive about sexual assault.
Good point, Commit. Now tell us about the wives of Secret Service agents that Biden groped.
Don’t be dismissive about Biden’s assault on those women.
https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2014/08/01/biden-swims-naked-upsetting-female-secret-service-agents-book-claims
As in the last conversation, you don’t know me, don’t pretend you do. For all you know I was a victim of sexual assault. Not everybody trots out their personal history nor should they need to do so in order to establish some sort of bona fides. Shame on you for suggesting it. And for ignoring our earlier conversation in which I had made myself clear that I fully do understand why some people do not report.
It’s a matter of law, that you pontificate about here at times, that evidence is weighed by the trier of fact. Stale accusations are always less credible than fresh ones. You may like that or not, it is simply true.
As it regards children, they may not even know what has happened is wrong. Thus, we put them into a different category and some states have altered statutes of limitations for accusations of molest against minors. Properly so.
The accusation above, was that the incident occurred when the lady was 24. She was no child. why did she not report for over two decades? Very stale and no such exception should apply to her late charge.
The fact is, false reports of sexual assault are regularly made. Perhaps not frequently, but regularly. These claims are sorted out daily in courts who have rules of evidence. sometimes they are made by women who are gold diggers who see an angle in it. Don’t like that notion? Perhaps you did not realize this? Well, educate yourself and go verify it with a female prosecutor if you like. Its one of the oldest forms of fake accusations in the book.
Shame on you for your presumptuous high handed and arrogant finger wagging at me. Go wag the finger at somebody in real life who you really know.
What’s the point of all your screeds, if not getting to know you? Aren’t you the juvenile-minded dude who can’t discuss female newsmakers without first weighing in on their level of attractiveness? Where do score Juanita Broderick on a scale of 1 to 10?
I don’t know why my previous response didn’t post, but I’ll try again.
I haven’t pretended to know you, Kurtz. I asked you questions, and I commented on what you’d already said.
“Not everybody trots out their personal history nor should they need to do so in order to establish some sort of bona fides.”
I agree.
“Shame on you for suggesting it.”
I didn’t suggest it. Stop pretending that I’ve said things I didn’t actually say.
“Stale accusations are always less credible than fresh ones.”
I don’t think timing is the only factor. I think it also depends on things like whether there were witnesses at the time, whether the victim spoke to anyone else about it at the time (even if s/he didn’t report it to LE), whether there’s additional evidence (like the DNA purported to be on Jean Carroll’s dress).
“why did she not report for over two decades?”
There is no way for me to answer that question for Dorris. But you know that lots of people don’t report assaults — some never even tell friends, some tell friends but not authorities, some tell authorities but don’t speak about it publicly. One reason that people don’t speak publicly is because people get harassed for it. Look at what happened with Christine Blasey Ford: she and her family had to leave their home because there were so many threats.
“The fact is, false reports of sexual assault are regularly made.”
Of course I’m aware that false reports are sometimes made. But true reports of sexual assault are regularly made as well. And assault happens much more often than false reports about it.
CTHD ” One reason that people don’t speak publicly is because people get harassed for it. Look at what happened with Christine Blasey Ford: she and her family had to leave their home because there were so many threats. ”
I dont have any problem with individuals reporting assault when it happens. And those who threaten others when it is reported should have the book thrown at them and the key to the lock thrown away. They are just as guilty as those committing the crime.
But I do take issue with someone who did not report an assault years ago when the internet was not around and attacking another for reporting the crime was much harder. When Fords alleged attack happened, very few people would have known because they were both unknowns and it would not even would have made the back page after the want ads. No one would have known.
Police need to be much more open to sexual assault than they have in the past.
The only reason the Fords had to leave there home, if that is true, is because she waited 20+ years and went after a judge with a clean record for years and many found it a political hatchet job.. They should also be charged,
Its just like the Boy Scouts. There are advertisements that the legal proceedings will close sometime in November and if one was a victim of assualt, they need to file their claim fast. Just how does.one prove assault after 20+ years?
Ron,
There is no law requiring people to report assault.
Each person is free to report or not, to talk to friends or not, to talk with a therapist or not, …
I can easily imagine a teenager choosing not to report as assault at all, and especially one by a boy who was part of the popular crowd.
“I do take issue with someone who did not report an assault years ago…”
Why?
Why isn’t it up to the victim to decide or not?
Why can’t a victim choose to report something later, according to you?
“very few people would have known”
I bet most of the kids at their private schools would have known if Kavanaugh and his friend were questioned by the police for him assaulting Ford.
“They should also be charged,”
I’m not sure who you’re referring to by “they,” or what you think they should be charged with.
“Just how does.one prove assault after 20+ years?”
Many cases rest on judgments about the reliability of witnesses. Personally, I found Blasey Ford’s testimony a lot more credible than Kavanaugh’s, especially since over 80 people submitted complaints to the court about Kavanaugh’s testimony before Congress (both when he was nominated to become a Justice and also earlier, when he was nominated to become a judge on the DC Circuit Court), many alleging that Kavanaugh had made a variety of false statements during his testimony: https://www.ca10.uscourts.gov/ce/misconduct/kavanaugh-complaints
Unfortunately, the court decided that it couldn’t investigate, as the Senate had already confirmed Kavanaugh. Chief Justice Roberts has never explained why he waited until after the vote before referring the complaints for investigation.
There is no evidence she ever met either Brett Kavanaugh or Mark Judge. The Bezos and Sulzberger minions couldn’t with their checkbook journalism gin up one person to attest she was an acquaintance of either one. Her family did not live near either one. Neither she nor any of her siblings attended school with either one nor with any of their siblings. There were at that time, by the way, about 40,000 people in Montgomery County, Md born after 1962 and prior to 1968.
Her husband was complicit in her fabrications, so he’s not a terribly sympathetic character. She hasn’t been prosecuted for perjury, which she should have been.
Her testimony under oath is evidence, “Art,” just like Kavanaugh’s testimony is evidence. It’s irrelevant if she’d ever met them before or after that party.
And again: many people submitted complaints to the court about Kavanaugh having lied under oath about other things, and they could have been called to testify under oath, but they weren’t. If there was evidence of him lying about other things, that impugns his reliability as a witness.
Well here again two very different perspective are at odds.
First , “They” refers to the people sending threats. “They” should be prosecuted if found.
Two, I have been raised in a very different family environment than others during my formative years. A grand mother who raised a very independent mother that would not take crap off anyone.A father that was a police officer for many years until family became more important than career. So when something happened, there was no second questioning if a report was made or not. So I have raised daughters the same way had anything improper happened with them.
Now, if someone decided to report a crime 30+ years after the fact, that is there choice. As for Ford, this man was a judge at different levels. Why decide that because one dislikes Trump, one decides to claim a SCOTUS appointee did something and that was not released for two months after his nomination. Why was it not just as important when he was nominated for lower court positions.
Three, I did not find her anywhere near as convincing as you. Had this been a trial and I was on the jury, the verdict would be not guilty.
Four, yes, many kids at school might have known. But did we have internet bullying, internet communication where thousands would have known and who would have really cared. He was a student, not a judge?
So, I dont plan to respond further about K. That is settled.
But if someone is claiming a crime 20-30 years after the fact, they need concrete evidence before I am going to believe them. Someone saying “she told me ” 25-30 years ago is total very questionable. especially when one has not seen the other person for years. Who the heck can remember any conversation 30+ years ago?
Ron,
I don’t see any reason to assume that her feelings about Trump had anything to do with this. Trump was going to be able to have a person of his choosing confirmed as a Justice no matter whether it was Kavanaugh or someone else.
Had this been a trial, each side would have been allowed to call witnesses of their choosing. The Senate Republicans prevented several relevant witnesses from being called to testify, and Trump prevented a full FBI investigation. Had this been a trial, you’d have heard testimony under oath from some of the many people claiming that they heard Kavanaugh lie under oath about other things. Whether or not Blasey Ford’s claim is true, if Kavanaugh lied under oath in his testimony, he should be impeached.
Kurtz, I don’t pretend to know you, which is why I asked questions.
“Shame on you for suggesting it.”
I didn’t I didn’t ask you to “trot[] out [your] personal history.” Work on your reading comprehension.
“Stale accusations are always less credible than fresh ones.”
Not necessarily. For example, if there were witnesses, or the person spoke with someone else contemporaneously, or the person has other evidence (e.g., DNA), the accusation may be quite credible even if it’s not made public til much later. Timing isn’t the sole determinant of credibility.
And me saying “Shame on you to be so dismissive about sexual assault” isn’t about me pretending to know anything. It’s my response to what you chose to say publicly in your comment.
“Its one of the oldest forms of fake accusations in the book.”
It’s no older that actual abuse. And actual abuse is more common. Over 2 dozen women have accused Trump of various forms of sexual harassment and abuse. You may choose to say that none are credible, but I don’t, especially when he is on tape bragging about kissing and groping women without first getting consent: “You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. I just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. … Grab ‘em by the pvssy. You can do anything.” And don’t pretend that “they let you” is “they wanted it and consented.”
“Work on your reading comprehension.”
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I have wondered why it is you are incapable of a discussion with someone who does not share your opinion without tossing in an insulting remark. You do it very nearly every time. It is almost OCD behavior.
Young, I have wondered why it is you are incapable of a discussion with someone who does not share your opinion without tossing in an insulting remark. You do it very nearly every time. It is almost OCD behavior.
Many of your friends, such as mespo, Allan, and This is absurd, do the same thing.
“Dem operatives go around ginning up new controversies”
a claim with no supporting evidence. some people call that a “conspiracy theory”
here’s the evidence. “Times Up Legal Defense Fund” is chock full of lawyers who are precisely, Democratic party operatives, as well as being lawyers.
and they’re SYSTEMATICALLY harvesting cases like that to use not just to redress client grievances but also for political strategy
just like ACLU or SPLC or hundreds of other “public interest law firms”
the Democrat leaning outfits outnumber any Republican counterparts by a factor of 100 to 1
the whole area of “public interest law” is almost a Democrat monopoly
not 100% overlap, but plenty of it, quite enough to prove the point. you go look it up “Brad” and report back your findings
Where is the evidence that Dorris is affiliated with Times Up?
And what did Wray say about the Russians? Turley is more than happy to tell you about what was said about Antifa, but what Wray said about the Russians was far more informative. Again, Turley uses the “Bill Barr Summary” tell only what you want to, and not the whole story.
And….?
And in talking about antifa, Wray also noted that they’re far from the only concern when it comes to domestic violence: “[Violent anarchists are] part of this broader group of domestic violence extremists I’m talking about, but it’s just one part of it. We also have the racially motivated violent extremists [e.g., white nationalists], militia types and others.”
What is a “militia type” exactly?
If you nor Wray can precisely identify the profile then the profile is useless.
There are tens of millions of American gun owners if not a hundred million. Could be fully one third or half. Estimates vary but many states come in at 1/3 to 1/2.
Are gun owners scary suspects in your profile CTHD, just for owning guns?
Now let’s sort it a little more. How about Olympic shooting team gun owners? are they dangerous?
How about law enforcement?
How about active duty military? Or former military?
How about recreational shooters? The sport of IDPA, IPSC, and USPSA have seen massive growth in the past 2 decades and perhaps the sharpest increases coming in female shooters.
Shall we only count male competitive shooters as dangerous or female shooters too?
Are NRA members immediately suspect?
What about gun clubs. Are all members on the FBI terror list now?
Or just gun club members in the NRA?
Do break this down for us. I want to know how many people like me, gun owners, NRA members, gun club members, competitive shooters, which of us are on your S Hit list for inclusion on FBI’s baddies watch list.
https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-okeefe-suit-gun-watchlist-20200806-tgwjaew7kbc4vaeyt5cccwwfyy-story.htmlr
Kurtz, why on earth would you think that Wray can’t “precisely identify the profile”?
if you want to know what Wray means by “militia types,” just look up what else he’s said about it. Do you need a tutorial on how to do quoted searches?
You could also look up what the FBI has previously written about it, such as “Like many domestic terrorism groups, militia extremists are anti-government. What sets them apart is that they’re often organized into paramilitary groups that follow a military-style rank hierarchy. They tend to stockpile illegal weapons and ammunition, trying illegally to get their hands on fully automatic firearms or attempting to convert weapons to fully automatic. They also try to buy or manufacture improvised explosive devices and typically engage in wilderness, survival, or other paramilitary training.”
An internet search on [“militia” site:fbi.gov] will give you more data about how the FBI defines this and about specific militia extremists they’ve arrested.
“Are gun owners scary suspects in your profile CTHD, just for owning guns?”
Of course not. Which is why I haven’t said anything that would suggest that. How truly bizarre that you’d think you needed to ask me that.
Im not the guy who needs to read all that dreck. I have been reading it for 20 some years going back to Operation PATCON when FBI ginned up the tragedies of Ruby Ridge and Waco
I asked YOU to define how YOU slice and dice it. You evade answering. Too much trouble I guess.
Why on earth should I have to explain something in a quote from someone else?!? Wray is the one who used that phrase, not me.
“Too much trouble I guess.”
It’s not my job to explain what someone else meant by what he said.
Why? because you advanced the assertion, so you can clarify the intention of voicing it. or not. i dont care. talk about whatever you like. but if you want to talk about the bogus claim made for over 2 decades that a bunch of yahoos shooting targets is a threat to national security I m going to poke a hole in that trial balloon every time i see it
wray makes a fool of himself for bringing it up when there are tens of thousands of felonies happening all on video. talk about the mote in the eye and the beam in another!
Kurtz,
Simply quoting something doesn’t make me responsible for “precisely identify[ing] the profile” of a category in the quote. Are you also going to make me responsible for explaining and validating Trump’s claims when I quote them? Are you going to take responsibility for explaining and validating everything that *you* quote?
“the bogus claim made for over 2 decades”
I’ll trust FBI evidence and expert congressional testimony about about it over your evidenceless claims about it. You, of course, are free to view it differently.
“wray makes a fool of himself for bringing it up when there are tens of thousands of felonies happening all on video”
I doubt that there were tens of thousands, but even if there were, he was there to testify about national security threats, and most felonies aren’t national security threats. He also spoke about antifa, about foreign election interference, about foreign hacking related to COVID-19, …
ha ha more troll type behavior. you keep on taking a derivative of the derivative of the derivative.
you never give a straight answer, you always move the goalposts, answer a question with a question, etc.
its very annoying and trite and in case you think one has to be a lawyer to notice these vexatious methods, got news for ya, regular people dislike them too
honest dialogue does not perpetually move the goalposts.
What a nonsensical response Kurtz. There is no f(x) here, Kurtz, much less a derivative.
You’re the one who claimed “you advanced the assertion, so you can clarify the intention of voicing it.” What I did was quote Wray’s testimony to Congress, and it’s not my responsibility to clarify what *he* meant by what *he* said, any more than it’s my responsibility to clarify what Trump means when I quote Trump, or your responsibility to clarify what other people mean when *you* quote them. If anyone moved the goalposts here, it was you (by trying to make me responsible for elaborating on Wray’s claim), not me.
“you never give a straight answer”
I give straight answers to straight questions about things that I myself claimed.
“more troll type behavior”
You’re looking in the mirror.
Wray’s comments about white supremacists are among the reasons he seems a deep state hack with no credibility.
I recall when some white idiot had a pipe filled with sulfur and with wires connected. Wray tried to convince us it was dangerous and potentially explosive. No. It wasn’t. You couldn’t get that to explode. It was stupid, but not dangerous. The infamous ‘clock boy’ Obama praised as a genius had something that looked as much like a bomb and could actually serve as a timer for one. I hesitate to believe anything these people say.
The latest is that antifa isn’t setting fires out West. ‘Course not. What is suspicious about a person dressed in black and creeping around with a can of gas and a lighter? Nothing if you are a fed, apparently.
They haven’t convinced us that antifa isn’t doing it; they convinced us they are the same idiots that let 9-11 and multiple other terror incidents happen.
here’s a case against a bunch of yahoos that was a supposed militia plot that fell flat in court
https://www.adn.com/alaska-militias/article/militia-state-drops-charges-against-alaska-peacemakers-what-about-federal-case/2011/10/31/
there’s been plenty more like that too. you never hear about it in the press of course
kind of like when they bust an asian massage parlor for “human trafficking” and all that comes from it are a bunch of misdemeanor charges for groin massages and zero HT charges.
kind of like the Robert Craft incident in Florida.
oh and the asset forfeitures of the cash they steal from the workers, that goes into cop pockets too. they rarely cover that in the “newspapers”
used to be liberals could see police abuses in all different types of cases but these days “liberals” are not quite as admirable as they used to be
Kurtz– I didn’t know about the Alaska folks but there was another one in Michigan, the Hutaree Militia. It was played up as a threat to the republic by white milita and, of course, the FBI was eager to pursue it and suck publicity out of it. I think the feds probably planted one or two guys in with the group. If they did, the plant was the noisiest about going out and causing trouble, I suspect.
I don’t think they ever broke any laws or hurt anyone. Basically a bunch of beer drinkers sitting around campfires and b.s. ing each other. I think the judge was annoyed the idiotic case was ever filed.
Just going by memory here so some details might be wrong, but it was more crap FBI work.
right the hutaree. that was a beer drinking circle of guys at a trailer park. fbi fail. i didn’t realize it but that was a sedition trial
https:// http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/28/us/hutaree-militia-members-acquitted-of-sedition.html
when it comes to “Right wing terror threats” we have often seen, curiously enough, a large number of actors who seemingly are under some form of federal control or connect in the first place. i mean tons of informants is to be expected but not just informants.
lets see. hmmm. wait, Im not going down the rabbit hole tonight on second thought
Here’s the C-Span video with “transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning” –
https://www.c-span.org/video/?475444-1/house-homeland-security-hearing-national-security-threats
The transcripts aren’t perfect, but they’re searchable. A search on “interference” pulls up a lot of the relevant testimony on election interference. Other discussion of Russians takes place ~1hr.50min. on hacking and disinformation related to COVID-19 vaccine/vaccination efforts.
The largest ANTIFASCIST group ever was The Combined force of the AMERICAN Army, Navy And Marines that fought the NAZIS in the Second World War!
But then Trump sees those individuals as losers and suckers so I can understand why the Right wing Republicans would have a problem with anti fascists.
We spent 4 years killing Fascists and 60 years killing Communists like the Pos of Antifa and the DNC. Always Anticom.
Here is your right wing terrorist mindset. Don’t agree with him? You’re a communist. He just wants a Trump-led government to do the killing of his fellow citizens for him, nice and legal-like.
If you are using as a reference for what Trump is alleged to have said, The Atlantic magazine, which unethically repeated an unconfirmed, anonymous source. It is a quote which has been refuted with corroboration and you are feeding closed minds already set in the gel of bias.
Justice Holmes. I think you mean the Allied Powers was the largest antifascist group ever. As for the rest of your comment there is an endless list of bad things Trump has done (none nearly as bad as the slaughter of 1-2million people and the displacement of 35-40 million people by the two previous Presidents) so why do you have to invent stuff to attack him. Losers and suckers was a remark made in the 70’s about Vietnam, but perhaps killing women and kids is your kind of thing.
Antifa has been a terrorist organization since 1938.
German POWs held in the Soviet Union after the war were subjected to indoctrination by a group called ANTIFA in 1949. It seems likely Stalin was the founder.
many antifa date themselves back to the POUM anarchist militia of Catalonia in the Spanish Civil war
Stalin may have had some operators using the name but the overall thrust of ANTIFA has always been anarchist or trotskyite.
they are too disorganized to make of themselves real bolshevik style communists who have the responsibility of administering orderly governments once in power.
hence why the sort is NEVER tolerated in communists countries once the parties have a firm grip on power
they just use them as cannon fodder in revolutionary disruptions of foreign adversaries
this dynamic goes all the way back to the conflict Bakunin and Marx. sorry if I bore people with this left wing history
but i feel it’s relevant to understand that the ANTIFA nutjobs are anarchists and hence the enemy of every form of organized government and law and order whatsoever
they are LOWER than even sharia style jihaadists who at least have some form of Islamic law and order in mind or so they say.
anarchists are an atavism, a return to pure savagery. they should be crushed as they were in the 1920s, mercilessly, for the sake of law and order in its very essence
They are real, they do spread terror to create chaos, thus ” Terrorist Organization”. Find them, charge them, trials, sentence to maximum for terrorist!
Sounds like a one time Antifa member might disagree with Wray and agree with Professor Turley. In an interview Gabriel Nadales told host Laura Ingraham that he was in Antifa around 2011, and recalled it as the most violent group he had ever been part of. He said that Antifa is buildings networks of groups on campuses where college administrators allow Antifa to work right under their noses. Nadales said we don’t allow ISIS to recruit on college campuses and we should not allow Antifa. Nadales called Antifa’s misleading moniker a way to hide its true identity as a vessel for far-left political activism. Antifa pretends to be about fighting fascism, but then they define fascism as basically anything that does not conform with their radical leftist agenda. Parents would be shocked if they knew how many of their youth are being pulled into this group. Campus Reform did a report of the recruiting going on at University of Florida. https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=13767 Fox News
Gabby, thanks! ANTIFA are worthless criminal scum, and university admins who shelter and facilitate them are desppicable cretins.
They may just get a communist government one day as they try so hard for it, but if they do I suspect they will be handed shovels and sent out to dig ditches in the desert Pol Pot style, and it would suit them well
What would one call it when globalist billionaires & foreign govts pay off local govts & hire armies of goons to burn down cities in the nation they are attempting to overthrow the current govt?
https://www.infowars.com/george-floyd-riots-cost-insurance-companies-as-much-as-2-billion-more-than-any-in-history-industry-claims/
That’s an excellent point. Trump probably wants Antifa declared terrorists because most insurance policies don’t cover acts of terrorism. It would be another handout to a well-connected industry under the guise of securing law and order! Thank you for alerting us to Trump’s 5-D chess scam against small business owners, the backbone of the American economy.
“another handout to a well-connected industry”
Like Obamacare?
Which is a legal mandate that every uninsured American buy private health insurance or be fined by the IRS. As a result, it provided the health insurance industry with over 50 million new paying customers.
That made it an easy sell to the insurance industry for Rahm Emmanuel. While completely screwing over American citizens.
Just to make that even worse, the Obamacare screw job followed the even larger TBTF bailout screw job of American taxpayers.
But the Wall Street boys loved it. Barry was quite the enthusiastic Wall Street bootlicker. Which is how he was able to afford a $14.5 million dollar beach house.
Well that was wildly off-topic, but yeah. Do you want to start trading Obama slams? I bet you run out before I do.
PS you sound jealous of Barry for being the more successful bootlicker.
Oky I call it a racketeer influence corrupt organization engaged in a protection scheme with additional felonious predicates of arson and riot and aggravated assault on peace officers and destruction of public property.
RICO prosecution is the sledgehammer this carefully constructed scheme needs to crush it into oblivion. they are organized crime plain and simple
JT’s greatest concern is distracting us from the more important elemnets of the news and feeding his right wing followers. Here is what he avoids from Wray’s testimony – PS Defending Antifa is not an issue and neither Biden or Harris have done that. It’s not a f..king issue, even if Nadler said something sometime about it/ WGAF! Do we pay attention to every BS statement from Jim Jordan?
FBI Director Wray before Congress today:
“Russia is seeking to hurt Democrat Joe Biden’s presidential campaign through social media and influence operations, FBI Director Christopher Wray warned Thursday.
Moscow is carrying out efforts to sow discord in the U.S. “primarily to denigrate Vice President Biden and what the Russians see as an anti-Russia establishment,” Wray told lawmakers during a House Homeland Security Committee hearing on threats to the nation.
“Russia continues to try to influence our elections, primarily through what we call malign foreign influence,” Wray said. It’s an assessment sharply at odds with that of President Donald Trump, who still dismisses as a hoax the intelligence community’s finding that Russia worked to help him win the White House in 2016….”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-17/wray-warns-of-ample-opportunity-for-foreign-election-meddling
PS Here’s a related item to what is the news from Wray:
Dan Coats in today’s NYTs:
“……I propose that Congress creates a new mechanism to help accomplish this purpose. It should create a supremely high-level bipartisan and nonpartisan commission to oversee the election. This commission would not circumvent existing electoral reporting systems or those that tabulate, evaluate or certify the results. But it would monitor those mechanisms and confirm for the public that the laws and regulations governing them have been scrupulously and expeditiously followed — or that violations have been exposed and dealt with — without political prejudice and without regard to political interests of either party.
Also, this commission would be responsible for monitoring those forces that seek to harm our electoral system through interference, fraud, disinformation or other distortions. These would be exposed to the American people in a timely manner and referred to appropriate law enforcement agencies and national security entities.
Such a commission must be composed of national leaders personally committed — by oath — to put partisan politics aside even in the midst of an electoral contest of such importance. They would accept as a personal moral responsibility to put the integrity and fairness of the election process above everything else, making public reassurance their goal….”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/17/opinion/2020-election-voting.html#click=https://t.co/A3Lm3dUzi1
Dan Coats has a fine career in public service. However it seems he has come up with an antidemocratic idea to rectify inherent difficulties in democratic processes. That is a problem.
Book, you’re the guy who tried to claim that Antifa didn’t even exist.
Yet your non-existent Antifa is going to cost your Party the election, and BLM ain’t helping either.
People who actually care about “Lives”, act the part.
DNI also said that CHINA PRC wants Biden to win. and they are the biggest threat.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/china-election-interference-threat
personally I am not too worried about any foreign nation meddling. FBI can and should chase them if they go too far. But they are going to meddle of course they are. Both in legal ways like pumping out their propaganda on stations like RT or CCTV but maybe in illegal ways too
The main thing is Americans need to get out and vote in serious numbers. That is the main thing anybody can do to show legitimacy of our elections and contribute their little iota to the effort
I hope you will see this exhortation has bipartisan relevance and patriotic intent. But there is no substitute for participation in democracy. And it is fundamentally voluntary.
Ich mochter ein anti fur ein nacht.
lol. You can take your pick Liberty but unless you like sick looking girls with zits and purple hair, they have not much to offer you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjOam1egG18
I introduce the readers to one of the greatest marching songs ever, “Erika”
Sieg Heil!
Or Sieg Hiel?
Any Germans out there? How do I spull it?
Attention Moderator and or P. Turley. The purpose of declaring Antifa a terrorist organization is due to the assurance that there will be 1. a proper trial, 2. a stiffer sentence, 3. a longer sentence.
That is why.
Why are you so dum dum about this?
https://thecommonsenseshow.com/activism-agenda-21-conspiracy/claiming-voter-suppression-over-mail-ballots-kamala-harris-will-lead-mass-exodus-least-19