Hill-Harris Poll: Sixty-One Percent Of Voters Now Support A Trump Concession Speech

We recently discussed the Politico poll showing that a majority of people were now calling for President Donald Trump to concede the election while a plurality supported such an immediate concession.  We discussed that the number calling for concession would likely continue to increase and a new Hill-Harris poll would seem to support that view. Some sixty-one percent in the poll believe Trump should give a concession speech. At a minimum, some of us have called for President Trump to call for “ascertaining” the election for Biden so that a transition can proceed unimpeded. That would not concede the election, but it would be the responsible course of action. It is long overdue. Some of us called for ascertainment over two weeks ago.

The poll put the question a bit awkwardly. Instead of asking if voters thought Trump should concede, it asked whether Trump should give a concession speech.  That was more ambiguous than the Politico poll that asked if Trump should concede immediately.

Seventy-one percent of Democratic voters, 60 percent of independent voters, and 53 percent of Republican voters said it is important for Trump to give a concession speech.

Again, I believe that it is important to have the allegations raised by the Trump campaign addressed transparently and expeditiously in the interests of national unity. I was critical of the press conference yesterday because of its heated rhetoric and unproven allegations of a global Communist conspiracy. Last night, Tucker Carlson also criticized the lack of evidence offered to support the global conspiracy. Again, this is not the time for “opening statements” but hard evidence.

There were plausible objections raised about over voting, conditional ballots, and other issues. However, those legal claims were repeatedly cut off by sweeping descriptions of a Communist conspiracy tied to Venezuela and Cuba. Absent hard evidence, more voters will be calling for concession. The rhetoric bordered on a rave at points and overwhelmed the specific challenges being planned in various states. It undermined the credibility of these lawsuits.

Last night, Giuliani continued with that rhetorical onslaught and claimed not only a national conspiracy but one directed by Biden.  He also claimed evidence that a “large truck” was seen pulling up at 4:30 am into a Detroit voting center loaded with Biden ballots in trash cans and shopping bags.  Such a violation would likely be caught on videotape and the conspiracy would involve a large number of criminal co-conspirators. It is time to see that evidence.


189 thoughts on “Hill-Harris Poll: Sixty-One Percent Of Voters Now Support A Trump Concession Speech”

  1. ‘Today & this evening will be an EXCELLENT time to visit my home page on Twitter & Parler to find messages that must be SHARED to ALL Patriots.

    We are going to have the Devil on the run in GA this week.’



    11:54 AM · Nov 22, 2020

    1. You mean Lin Wood, the nut who tweeted “Fox News is now part of the propaganda arm of the leftists/Communists who think they are going to overthrow our Constitution”? LMAO.

  2. Most Americans believe in God. That is dog spelled backwards. How many people believe that Saint Peter will send Trump to Hell in a hand basket when Trump gets his interview at the Pearly Gates?

    1. John 8:7

      “So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”

      King James Version

  3. The Deep Deep State caused John F. Kennedy to lose the election of November 22, 1963.

    The Deep Deep State caused Donald J. Trump to lose the election of November 3, 2020.

    CIA “overthrow” operations in South America were brought home for deployment against John F. Kennedy.

    Operation PBSuccess

    Allen Dulles, director of the CIA during the 1954 coup, and brother of U.S. Secretary of State John Foster Dulles

    The CIA operation to overthrow Jacobo Árbenz, code-named Operation PBSuccess, was authorized by Eisenhower in August 1953. The operation was granted a budget of 2.7 million U.S. dollars[f] for “psychological warfare and political action”.[85] The total budget has been estimated at between 5 and 7 million dollars, and the planning employed over 100 CIA agents.[86] In addition, the operation recruited scores of individuals from among Guatemalan exiles and the populations of the surrounding countries.[86] The plans included drawing up lists of people within Árbenz’s government to be assassinated if the coup were to be carried out. Manuals of assassination techniques were compiled, and lists were also made of people whom the junta would dispose of.[85] These were the CIA’s first known assassination manual, and were reused in subsequent CIA actions.[87]

    – Wiki

    Venezuelan Smartmatic and Dominion Voting Systems were employed to “fix” foreign elections and they were brought home for deployment against Donald J. Trump in the 2020 presidential election.

  4. Then there’s that!

    Look at all the minions and bots the communist (liberal, progressive, socialist, democrat, RINO) Deep Deep State has sent over to the Turley Blog to do its bidding.

    Their slavering, rabid trolls are up and down these threads working furiously to obfuscate and defend the indefensible; to kill the truth.

  5. ‘If you’re a Democrat, you can win:

    – A Nobel Peace Price for nothing (Obama)

    – A Pulitzer for fraud (1619 Project, Russia collusion)

    – An Emmy for incompetence (COVID, nursing homes)

    – An election from your basement’ @joelpollak

    1. Anon: Great list! Hope you don’t mind if I add two:

      — The destruction of the energy industry based on a hoax

      — The destruction of businesses and liberties, rationalized by Covid19 panic

    2. “‘If you’re a Democrat, you can win: A Nobel Peace Price for nothing (Obama)”

      Shut up or you will be sorry. I won it. It’s mine. It’s mine and no one can take it away. It’s mine. I am the greatest. I am going to be President of the World. I am…

  6. 12th Amendment

    The 2020 election has failed.

    50 states will cast one vote each.

    37 are republican.

    Trump wins.

  7. The party of “Resist”, “Get in their face”, “Obstruct” and “Impeach” now demand an orderly and quick transition. If you don’t agree you are a racist and un-American….therefore CANCELLED.

    1. sp, Michigan Republicans came very close to disenfranchising the city of Detroit because of a few voting irregularities. But we should believe that ‘no’ racial calculation was involved?

      If nothing else that subplot illustrates how Republicans get that ‘racist’ image.

      And by the way, sp, we’ve never seen you before. Just popped out of nowhere?

    2. Well, at least come to terms with the fact that for the G.O.P. it all comes down to Whiteness and fear of the Brown and Black. Nothing else.

  8. Tucker Carlson Questioned Claims Of Trump Lawyer

    Fox Viewers Are Furious!

    In the hours after Mr. Carlson’s monologue, word of which spread quickly across social media, Mr. Trump’s supporters not only went after Mr. Carlson but also Fox News. The network has become a source of particular frustration with many on the right after taking a more skeptical view of Mr. Trump’s claims about voter fraud and refusing to reconsider its call on election night that Mr. Biden would win Arizona.

    That decision, which proved correct, deeply angered the president and led him to start promoting some of Fox’s smaller competitors on cable like Newsmax and One America News Network as more suitable alternatives for his large and loyal following.

    All week on networks like Newsmax and OANN and talk radio programs, the president’s supporters have been given a steady diet of interviews with Trump allies, campaign officials and news stories that promote allegations of fraud with little or no context.

    One lawyer who is assisting the Trump campaign in its efforts, Lin Wood, went unquestioned this week on Mr. Levin’s show when he made the fantastical claim that Mr. Trump had won the election with 70 percent of the vote. A story that OANN broadcast on Friday afternoon falsely declared, “The state of Michigan is back in play,” giving credence to Mr. Trump’s extraordinary but almost certainly unsuccessful efforts to delay certification of the vote in Detroit.

    Rich Lowry, the editor of National Review and sometimes critic of the president who called his refusal to concede “absurd and sophomoric,” said that whether it was a Republican politician or a talk-show host, breaking the will that many Trump supporters have to believe he is the rightful winner was extremely difficult.

    Mr. Lowry added that he thought Mr. Carlson’s words were “admirable” and had told the Fox host so himself. “It’s one thing for people who’ve been opposed to Trump all along, or mixed, to say something like that,” Mr. Lowry said. “It’s another thing for a leader of the populist wing of the conservative movement to call it out.”

    A question for conservative media that are more independent of Mr. Trump is how much of the market the unabashedly pro-Trump media dominates in the future. Some scholars said they expected that audience to be substantial.

    Mr. Carlson is no ordinary Trump critic. He has been one of the president’s most aggressive defenders in prime time, especially when it came to standing up for Mr. Trump as he attacked African-American politicians, athletes and the racial justice activists in the Black Lives Matter movement. He has also generally bought into the disproved notion that voter fraud is a widespread problem — a popular position with Mr. Trump and on Mr. Carlson’s network.

    He has not been shy in criticizing aspects of the president’s policies he disagrees with, whether the bombing raid in Iraq that killed Iran’s top general, Qassim Suleimani, or Mr. Trump’s failure to take the coronavirus pandemic seriously when it started spreading last winter. But he has never gone out on a limb like this, with the president and his followers so besieged.

    Mr. Carlson, no doubt aware that many in his audience, including possibly the president himself, would not like what they were hearing, walked a fine line on Thursday night. He insisted that he and his producers “took Sidney Powell seriously,” and that he had invited her on the show to present her evidence.

    He also tried to reassure his audience that he was on their side after all, explaining how he always kept an open mind about alleged cover-ups like the one Ms. Powell has promoted. “We don’t dismiss anything,” he said. “We literally do U.F.O. segments.”

    Edited from: “Tucker Carlson Dared Question A Trump Lawyer. The Backlash Was Quick”

    Today’s New York Times

    1. Rupert Murdoch is turning. He doesn’t want to support a man who will end up bankrupt and in prison.

  9. “He also claimed evidence that a “large truck” was seen pulling up at 4:30 am into a Detroit voting center loaded with Biden ballots in trash cans and shopping bags. Such a violation would likely be caught on videotape and the conspiracy would involve a large number of criminal co-conspirators. It is time to see that evidence.”

    Okay, so let’s even grant that it happened…

    – Someone was close enough to the “large truck” to see the contents.
    – They verified the contents of the “trash cans and shopping bags” as Biden ballots.
    – Which means at the very least: they were near the truck with enough time to open the envelopes, read and tally the ballots to see that they were Biden ballots.
    – They did not object to the arrival of “suspicious” ballots.
    – They took no video.
    – They took no pictures.
    – They allowed the votes to be counted officially.

    I thought this was the party of alphas and people that don’t back down. Wouldn’t that brave, brave soul have stood up and put a stop to it in real time?

    What a chump you’d have to be to let that happen in front of you, only to whine about it online after the fact.

    1. Trump’s legal and financial vulnerabilities in combination with his malevolent personality explains everything.

      1. The Democrat Party needs to be renamed. This is an easy achronym to say, SPOA, The Stalinist Party of America. I can see Committed as one of their local party officials, all bright and cheery. That is until they kill him. Such is the nature of such despotic parties. Once they gain power the leader worries about some of those having their own ideas. That is when they start killing their own.

    1. Frivolous. A political act, not one of a jurisprudential nature.

      Pelosi filed “fake” impeachment.

      Oh, and then there was the “fake” dossier, Mueller, Christine Ballsey Ford, Ukrainian phone call, etc., etc., etc.

  10. Based on the polls taken before the election and the Presidential election results, I will never take any poll seriously again. Either the polls are skewed to support the pollsters’ political or other biases or almost all of the pollsters are incompetent!

      1. Enigmainblack,

        I hop[e you’re enjoying your safe return to your homeland in Africa.

        Oh, BTW, you’re very past Due on Paying up to my very large family & other White families Reparations for my Great Grand Dad’s & others efforts under Gen Grant in Freeing your your families.

        Pay up you Dead Beats!

          1. In an attempt to help I’ll arrange personal consultation for you & others to help you people get over your Racism, Hemo FOcrap stuff, XenophobicCrap & TransgenderCrap Confusion issues for the low of $19995.00 per 10 minutes, just let me know, I’m here with the Love of Jesus for you people.

        1. This is pathetic and racist. Why don’t you take that noise over to Breitbart where it belongs you six-piece chicken McNobody.

          1. Naturalization Acts of 1790, 1795, 1798 and 1802

            United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization,” March 26, 1790

            Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof

          2. General State vote requirements, 1788 presidential election: Male, European, 21, 50 lbs. Sterling/50 acres.

          3. Earlier Resettlement Plans

            The view that America’s apparently intractable racial problem should be solved by removing Blacks from this country and resettling them elsewhere — “colonization” or “repatriation” — was not a new one. As early as 1714 a New Jersey man proposed sending Blacks to Africa. In 1777 a Virginia legislature committee, headed by future President Thomas Jefferson (himself a major slave owner), proposed a plan of gradual emancipation and resettlement of the state’s slaves. In 1815, an enterprising free Black from Massachusetts named Paul Cuffe transported, at his own expense, 38 free blacks to West Africa. His undertaking showed that at least some free Blacks were eager to resettle in a country of their own, and suggested what might be possible with public and even government support.7

            In December 1816, a group of distinguished Americans met in Washington, DC, to establish an organization to promote the cause of Black resettlement. The “American Colonization Society” soon won backing from some of the young nation’s most prominent citizens. Henry Clay, Francis Scott Key, John Randolph, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, Bushrod Washington, Charles Carroll, Millard Fillmore, John Marshall, Roger B. Taney, Andrew Jackson, Daniel Webster, Stephen A. Douglas, and Abraham Lincoln were members. Clay presided at the group’s first meeting.8

            Measures to resettle Blacks in Africa were soon undertaken. Society member Charles Fenton Mercer played an important role in getting Congress to pass the Anti-Slave Trading Act of March 1819, which appropriated $100,000 to transport Blacks to Africa. In enforcing the Act, Mercer suggested to President James Monroe that if Blacks were simply returned to the coast of Africa and released, they would probably be re-enslaved, and possibly some returned to the United States. Accordingly, and in cooperation with the Society, Monroe sent agents to acquire territory on Africa’s West coast — a step that led to the founding of the country now known as Liberia. Its capital city was named Monrovia in honor of the American President.9

            With crucial Society backing, Black settlers began arriving from the United States in 1822. While only free Blacks were at first brought over, after 1827, slaves were freed expressly for the purpose of transporting them to Liberia. In 1847, Black settlers declared Liberia an independent republic, with an American-style flag and constitution.10

            By 1832 the legislatures of more than a dozen states (at that time there were only 24), had given official approval to the Society, including at least three slave-holding states.11 Indiana’s legislature, for example, passed the following joint resolution on January 16, 1850:12

            Be it resolved by the General Assembly of the State of Indiana: That our Senators and Representatives in Congress be, and they are hereby requested, in the name of the State of Indiana, to call for a change of national policy on the subject of the African Slave Trade, and that they require a settlement of the coast of Africa with colored men from the United States, and procure such changes in our relations with England as will permit us to transport colored men from this country to Africa, with whom to effect said settlement.

            In January 1858, Missouri Congressman Francis P. Blair, Jr., introduced a resolution in the House of Representatives to set up a committee

            to inquire into the expediency of providing for the acquisition of territory either in the Central or South American states, to be colonized with colored persons from the United States who are now free, or who may hereafter become free, and who may be willing to settle in such territory as a dependency of the United States, with ample guarantees of their personal and political rights.

            Blair, quoting Thomas Jefferson, stated that Blacks could never be accepted as the equals of Whites, and, consequently, urged support for a dual policy of emancipation and deportation, similar to Spain’s expulsion of the Moors. Blair went on to argue that the territory acquired for the purpose would also serve as a bulwark against any further encroachment by England in the Central and South American regions.13

            – Robert Morgan

            1. OK Racism! What a relief. It’s just fine. Whew. Yay superior White People….of which I am one!


            Communists (liberals, progressives, socialists, democrats, RINOs) cannot mix oil and water in the absence of emulsifiers.

            They forcibly impose wholly unconstitutional communist redistribution of wealth and social engineering as compulsory political emulsifiers.

            These forcible measures cannot and will not be cited in the Constitution.

            These measures are illegitimate and illegal.

            These perpetrators are criminals in violation of fundamental law.

        2. Somehow I pictured your Great Grand Dad and others on Gen. Lee’s squad? Not that Gen Grant, a slaveowner himself would be much better. Perhaps you could make a list of all the things we dead beats owe white people so we can properly settle up?

          1. Losers deflect the facts and resort to irrelevant ad hominem attacks. Nothing I posted has anything to do with racism (i.e. fully constitutional opinion/thought/belief/religion) and is a discussion of U.S. history. Here’s some more history. The Israelites were capable, competent, ambitious and enjoyed effective leadership in the form of Moses and Joshua. The Israelites were out of Egypt before the ink was dry on their release papers. Given the underlying fact that the problem of British slavery (temporarily held over by ~ 2% of the American population) was initiated by African tribal chiefs and freed slaves failed to immediately vacate, Africans have no one to blame but themselves. In the context of their American experience, they said they wanted “free dom” but what they really wanted was “free stuff.” The critical problem is that the governmental redistribution of wealth, specific welfare, public assistance, charity and alms for the poor” were/are all irrefutably unconstitutional and cannot be taxed for. Additionally, freed slaves became illegal aliens upon issuance of the unconstitutional emancipation proclamation and confiscation of legal private property by Lincoln, and must have been immediately and summarily deported as the Naturalization Act of 1802 was in full force and effect requiring immigrants to be “…free white person(s).”

            “It’s the [law], stupid!”

            – James Carville

            After calculating for an additional 6 years of unconstitutional redistribution of wealth, specific welfare, public assistance, charity, affirmative action, etc., start here:

            $22 TRILLION

            “The War on Poverty After 50 Years”

            In his January 1964 State of the Union address, President Lyndon Johnson proclaimed, “This administration today, here and now, declares unconditional war on poverty in America.” In the 50 years since that time, U.S. taxpayers have spent over $22 trillion on anti-poverty programs. Adjusted for inflation, this spending (which does not include Social Security or Medicare) is three times the cost of all U.S. military wars since the American Revolution. Yet progress against poverty, as measured by the U.S. Census Bureau, has been minimal, and in terms of President Johnson’s main goal of reducing the “causes” rather than the mere “consequences” of poverty, the War on Poverty has failed completely. In fact, a significant portion of the population is now less capable of self-sufficiency than it was when the War on Poverty began.

            – Rachel Sheffield and Robert Rector, September 15, 2014


            Put this U.S. history in your pipe and smoke it.

            Scores of years of favor, bias, redistribution, affirmative action, etc. have been enjoyed by your family and ilk.

            Scores of years of enjoyment of the principles of the Communist Manifesto in, of all places, the United States of America, the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave.

            Generational welfare, affirmative action, etc., don’t leave home without it.

            What would you BE without it?

            1. ” Nothing I posted has anything to do with racism (i.e. fully constitutional opinion/thought/belief/religion) and is a discussion of U.S. history.”
              1. Nobody was talking to you
              2. U.S. History can’t be accurately discussed without mentioning racism. It was the foundation on which the country was built.

              1. ” It was the foundation on which the country was built.”

                That is hogwash. It is an important stain that has to be reckoned with but it is not the foundation. It would be wrong but more appropriate to say the foundation was taking lands that were lived in by others, but those others also took lands from others.That is not a foundation either. Whoever is filling your mind with this stuff should quit because all it does is create undeserved hate.

                Racism and Slavery existed long before the Americas were discovered.

              2. Wholly non-responsive deflection.

                1. To be sure, I’m talking to you.

                2. Duuuhhhh! And your point is? That you dictate as the universal tyrannical despot? Belief and opinion are legal and constitutional. Do you read? You knew all that in 1861.

                One cannot argue the physical axiom that “biological bipeds of identical plumages are gregarious.”

                And the Israelites were out of Egypt before the ink was dry on their release papers. Hello!

                You have no excuses.

                One cannot mix oil and water and nations cannot compel artificial acceptance through legislation.

                You blame others for the acts of your leaders and your own failures.

                At some point, the sympathy vote and alms for the poor are going to dry up.

                1. “1. To be sure, I’m talking to you.”

                  That’s the thing about freedom, I can ignore the hell out of you. I owe you nothing, and if you find yourself unable to mix with others. Feel free to leave.

                  1. Non-responsive vitriol (and do please ignore the —- out of and repay the unconstitutional taxes consumed over the past century).

                    I do apologize, however, it was boorish of me to engage an unarmed opponent.

                    I hear Zimbabwe is nice this time of year.

                    Alms and illicit favor; as they say, “Don’t leave home without it.”

    1. Many of us understand you’re very upset.

      Visualize a doll, please describe the spot that “Orange Man Bad” touched you.

      & don’t be afraid, but was it really Creep Joe ” the Pedo” Biden or his son Hunter that touched you somewhere? Please tell us more.

  11. Another meaningless poll. You leftists can shove it – assuming there’s enough room in there for a stupid poll AND your head.

  12. What’s this, corruption in the electronic voting machines? Again, after the last 30 or 40 years of noted corruption? Maybe we should look into this fraud again?


    As of now having won the election & myself having been self-declared “President Elect Oky1” by Prof Turley & others I demand my Millions in US Taxpayer money so I can finally have the money to hire professional ventriloquist so I can get through a press conference without sounding like a Brain Dead Moron, Chicom Agent like Joe Biden does!!

    Sarc Off

    1. wow so Dominion has lawyered up huh? they got something to hide i guess. seems like Sydney Powell may be on to someting after all

  13. They had one job…! (or did they have another job?)

    “Instead of running towards the light of honesty and integrity, Dominion Voting Systems retreated to the darkness. Why? Why would a vendor of public goods fear discussing their products sold to the public for the public good?” Grove said.

    “If Dominion’s products were successful and operated as they were supposed to, why wouldn’t Dominion take the opportunity to publicly review its success? How hard is to say, ‘our ballot machines worked exactly as promised, and they are 100 percent accurate?’”

    Dominion did not respond to a request for comment.

    The cancellation adds credibility to accusations against Dominion, state lawmakers said. They said Dominion has to earn the trust of Pennsylvanians.

    1. Why haven’t any of the Congressmen who are concerned about rigged elections subpoenaed Dominion? Shouldn’t these executives be testifying before Congress ASAP?

      Maybe they don’t believe the conspiracy theory?

      1. Take your time and try to think of all the possible reasons why Congress hasn’t subpoenaed Dominion. I know, I know, that’s uncharted territory for you and it seems a bit scary. Just spit-balling here,but maybe Congress should allow the states to complete their constitutional procedures first. Give it a go.

        1. Only someone who isn’t thinking it through would think that Congress has to wait for the states before holding a hearing.

    2. “Dominion Voting Systems retreated to the darkness.”

      I wonder if they’ll hire Hillary to advise them on how to, um, “manage” computer evidence?

    3. When one reads and consumes garbage news sources the parroting of said garbage news sources is almost automatic.

  14. If only we had some sort of guidance on how this process is supposed to work.

    November 3, 2020—Election Day
    (first Tuesday after the first Monday in November)

    During the general election your vote helps determine your State’s electors. When you vote for a Presidential candidate, you aren’t actually voting for President. You are telling your State which candidate you want your State to vote for at the meeting of the electors. The States use these general election results (also known as the popular vote) to appoint their electors. The winning candidate’s State political party selects the individuals who will be the electors.

    Mid-November through December 14, 2020
    After the presidential election, the Governor of your State prepares seven Certificates of Ascertainment. “As soon as practicable,” after the election results in your State are certified, the Governor sends one of those original Certificates of Ascertainment to the Archivist.

    By December 8, 2020—States resolve controversies
    (at least six days before the meeting of the electors)

    States must make final decisions in any controversies over the appointment of their electors at least six days before the meeting of the electors. This is so their electoral votes will be presumed valid when presented to Congress. Decisions by States’ courts are conclusive, if decided under laws enacted before Election Day.

    December 14, 2020—electors vote in their States
    The electors meet in their respective States and vote for President and Vice President on separate ballots. The electors record their votes on six Certificates of Vote, which are paired with the six remaining Certificates of Ascertainment. The electors sign, seal, and certify six sets of electoral votes. A set of electoral votes consists of one Certificate of Ascertainment and one Certificate of Vote.

    1. Olly, if you’re trying to suggest that the nation is simply going through a ‘normal electoral process’ now, nothing could be further from the truth. No incumbent president, in the last century, has put us through the suspense Trump has created. What’s more, this election was not even all that close. Joe Biden’s Popular Vote lead is almost 6 million, or 3.8%. Biden’s lead is well within the boundaries of an average victory.

      Trump is simply using the Electoral College system as a pretext to somehow litigate his way to a freak outcome. In this pursuit Trump shows us, once and for all, how stupid and archaic the Electoral College system is. This litigation hinges on a scheme to completely over-ride the majority of voters. The country should never have to go through this B.S. again.

      1. f you’re trying to suggest that the nation is simply going through a ‘normal electoral process’ now, nothing could be further from the truth.

        Nope. Those are your words, not mine. Processes, and in this case the electoral process, are designed to produce a consistent output. December 14th is the designed completion date for this process. Everything in-between are steps in this process. All the calls for concession, blah, blah, blah, are white noise to the process. Trump didn’t create the induced variations to this years electoral process. He and the rest of the country may actually be victims of it. Once the constitutionally allowable legal challenges are completed, then we’ll have the final vote tally, not before. I would expect those confident in the current status of this process to not whine like b*itches when the constitution is followed.

        1. Olly, you’re attempting to normalize the abnormal. That’s known as ‘deviating down’. Trump is actually carrying out his mission as a stooge for Vladimir Putin. The whole idea is to split the United States as much as possible in whatever time Trump has remaining. Trump is like the fired employee who methodically goes about destroying documents before Security can escort him off the property.

          1. you’re attempting to normalize the abnormal.

            Nice projection. It’s precisely because of that, that we are right where we are. That’s why we have a process to follow.

          2. ammo shortage update. worst one ever. rumor is, primer shortage. why? what’s in primers? lead styphnate igniter

            guess that’s in high demand from somebody, outstripping supply

            why? add it all up and one thing it does not equal, is peace

            Saloth Sar

  15. State legislatures must void and nullify the 2020 election as a failure and appoint their new electors to vote the way those legislatures direct and order.

  16. Turnout in the 1788 election of George Washington to be President was 11.6% by design.

    Never was there ever intended to be one man, one vote democrazy in America.

    Never was there ever intended to be a welfare state of “free stuff” for one man, one vote democrazy to vote for.

    Were there no endless unconstitutional benefits and entitlements, the parasites would not vote.

    “the people are nothing but a great beast…

    I have learned to hold popular opinion of no value.”

    – Alexander Hamilton

    “The true reason (says Blackstone) of requiring any qualification, with regard to property in voters, is to exclude such persons, as are in so mean a situation, that they are esteemed to have no will of their own.”

    “If it were probable that every man would give his vote freely, and without influence of any kind, then, upon the true theory and genuine principles of liberty, every member of the community, however poor, should have a vote… But since that can hardly be expected, in persons of indigent fortunes, or such as are under the immediate dominion of others, all popular states have been obliged to establish certain qualifications, whereby, some who are suspected to have no will of their own, are excluded from voting; in order to set other individuals, whose wills may be supposed independent, more thoroughly upon a level with each other.”

    – Alexander Hamilton, The Farmer Refuted, 1775

      1. Why yes, thank you.

        And thanks for reading as my subscriptions have been down of late.

        America has quite a way to go given the population of China, 1.4 billion, of India, 1.3 billion, of Southeast Asia, 1 billion and so on.

        The infinitesimal number of about 250 million actual Americans suggests total submission to slavery or total annihilation.

        Whatever shall we do when the nukes run out?

        As you obviously concur, and thank you, there is and can be no future derived from a fertility rate in a “death spiral.”

    1. Biden “You know that thing.” At least Trump knew how to keep us out of foreign military interventions and fast tracked the Covid vaccine.

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