Napoleon once said “treason is a matter of dates.” The Democrats seem to have taken Napoleon’s words to heart in declaring Republicans traitors or anti-Democratic in their planned challenge the certification of electoral votes next week. Both the media and Democratic members have advanced this narrative despite Democratic members repeatedly raising such challenges in the past. In the few acknowledgments of that history, Democrats seem to be advancing a simple and familiar defense: Trump. Once again, open hypocrisy is negated by Trumpunity. After all, they cannot be anti-Democratic because they are Democrats. That conclusory position was evident in the spin this week on CNN by former California Sen. Barbara Boxer who led such a challenge to the 2004 election results.
In January 2005, Boxer joined former Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones to challenge George W. Bush’s victory over Democratic challenger John Kerry in the state of Ohio. I was working for CBS in that election and shared concerns over the voting irregularities. At the time, Boxer argued that Republicans had engaged in voter suppression that contributed to Bush’s victory. The media and Democratic leadership was highly supportive. Indeed, many who are condemning the challenge today heaped praise on Boxer in 2004. There was no hue and cry in the media over anti-democratic measures and refusing to respect the election results.
For example, Speaker Nancy Pelosi has called the current challenge an assault on democracy but, in the 2004 election challenge, she praised Boxer’s challenge as “witnessing Democracy at work. This isn’t as some of our Republican colleagues have referred to it, sadly, as frivolous. This debate is fundamental to our democracy.”
Notably, many Democrats like Sen. Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., raised analogous complaints over voting systems and insisted that “as Americans, we should all be troubled by reports of voting problems in many parts of the country.”
Sen. Dick Durbin has also denounced the challenge this year but took to the Senate floor to praise Boxer in 2005. He declared “Some may criticize our colleague from California for bringing us here for this brief debate. I thank her for doing that because it gives members an opportunity once again on a bipartisan basis to look at a challenge that we face not just in the last election in one State but in many States.”
Now however Democrats are claiming that it is unfair to compare their earlier actions and statements to the present day. As we have seen in other areas, such clearly conflicting positions present little problem for Democratic politicians when they are not being raised or challenged in the media. In today’s siloed media and politics, Democratic voters are largely protected from such counter viewpoints. Boxer’s interview is an example of the light treatment given to such members. She was left largely unchallenged on clearly opportunistic and assailable positions in the CNN interview.
Boxer insisted that the challenge had “nothing to do with overturning the election” because it was only brief and would not succeed. This current effort will also fail after a debate on some of the same issues of voting irregularities. Nevertheless, Boxer insisted “No, why would I regret spending an hour talking about the right to vote? Not at all. If these Republicans are going to lie about it and say it’s the same thing, that’s on them, and I’m sorry they’re doing this.”
CNN simply carried that transparently hypocritical spin without meaningful challenge. After all, this is deemed spin, not lies. While MSNBC host Lawrence O’Donnell (and recently Jake Tapper) have pledged not to interview Trump figures because they are “liars”, Democratic members can voice absurd denials without challenge. The fact is that this is an important interview despite the absence of a substantial questioning. It is information, not disinformation. The problem is the biased approach in booking such political figures depending whether they support or oppose Trump.
Ultimately, this is not “on them.” And it is on Boxer because it is the same thing. However, I did not view Boxer as engaging in an attack on democracy by using her right to object in 2005 and I do not view those objections today as anti-democratic. I did not support the challenge in 2005 and I do not support this challenge. Yet, this is a legal challenge under constitutional and statutory law. Yet, Democrats and media outlets like CNN want to portray the vote as virtually unprecedented and even treasonous.
Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) told CNN that members of Congress who question the election results “are bordering on sedition and treason.” That would mean more than 70 percent of Republicans and 10 percent of Democrats nationwide are potentially traitors for believing Trump won. Shaneen and her colleagues denounced Trump for calling people traitors and sought to protect officials who denounced his use of the label “enemies of the people” against reporters. Just two years ago, Trump was called a Stalin for using such labels by Democrats. It is same position taken recently before the Supreme Court by Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh Shapiro, who called a legal challenge to the election “seditious.” Of course, the use of the courts or Congress to raise such objections is the very opposite of sedition, which seeks to overthrow the legal system.
As I noted earlier, Democrats did not accuse their colleagues of treason or sedition when they sought to block the certification of Ohio’s electoral votes in Congress in 2004. They did not call Hillary Clinton traitorous for advising Biden not to concede any Trump victory on Election Night. They did not describe members of Congress or the media as traitors for repeatedly declaring Trump “illegitimate” over the last four years.
Thus, in the end, as Napoleon said, “treason is a matter of dates.” And the key date in the United States, for now, appears to be Nov. 7 — the day the media declared Joe Biden the presumptive winner. All court challenges then became unethical for lawyers and all congressional challenges became sedition for members. It is just a matter of dates.
I must have missed it when Democratic members of Congress sued the sitting Vice President to allow him or her the power to unilaterally determine election results.
Can someone point me to a time when Democrats attempted something like this?
I support the separate statements of Republican Senators Toomey, Murkowski, and Romney opposing the new dangerous election challenge by Senator Cruz and others. I also continue to support one part of JT’s blog when he said the following in reference to Senator Hawley’s election challenge: “I do not support this challenge”.
That they are flat wrong means nothing to you does it?
They are correct. That you are flat wrong means nothing to you does it?
INSTANT REPLAY
THE REPUBLICAN COACH THREW THE CHALLENGE FLAG.
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AFTER FURTHER REVIEW, THE EVIDENCE PROVES THE DEMOCRATS COMMITTED ELECTION CORRUPTION AND VOTE TAMPERING.
THE CALL FOR BIDEN IS OVERTURNED.
THERE WILL BE A SIX-STATE PENALTY AGAINST THE DEMOCRATS.
TRUMP WON!
Project the behavior of Democrats forward 20 years. 100 years. Where will we be?
If you oppose tyranny, oppression, and racism, you should oppose the Democrat Party, at least until and unless they make a significant course correction.
Republicans believe everyone can make it, and that hard work can pay off. How you look doesn’t matter. Democrats judge everyone based on race, gender, sexual orientation, and gender identity. Your value is based upon a victim intersectionality sliding scale. Some people are more equal than others. For goodness’ sake, they’re bringing back segregated dorms.
If you’re a trans woman Muslim in a wheelchair, you get more points than a straight cis gendered white man. God forbid he have a Southern accent, or he’d be thrown to the lions.
Why are Democrats in denial about the tyrannical, abusive nature of their policies, and the detrimental effect they have on the poor?
It will be Democrats, in partnership with Big Tech, who usher in 1984 and Animal Farm.
Democrats are not the ones tying to violate the constitution to overthrow the results of a legal election in order to install an unelected president. That is happening now. If a population does not have a say over who their leader is via elections then that society is not free. Republicans want to make us not free.
Democrats are not the ones tying to violate the constitution
Chucles.
Live not by lies Molly
Not lies, you can go read it yourself.
From 12A:
“The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;-The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed;”
Since Biden got the majority of the EC, there is no vote to take, no procedure to object to EC votes, and no certification needed from the VP. What the Rs are going to do has no basis in the constitution.
Molly by golly you are a one trick pony dog soldier . I guess you failed math as all…ALL THE MATH seems to directly contradict the wanna be senile Chinese puppet king darth biden having “won” this election honestly…let alone on any merit. Get out from under your partisan rock and look into the Dominion hack , look into the absolute statistical analysis of the voting in these six contested states. If you are not willing to have an open mind and look at bare naked math…you are either a tool or a willing fool.
Your artificial and false perception of freedom is to steal the white man’s money.
The Constitution and Bill of Rights provide maximal freedom to individuals while severely limiting and restricting government.
You may want to familiarize yourself with the right to private property, which is not qualified by the Constitution and is, therefore, absolute, providing Congress no power to “claim or exercise dominion” over any private property.
Similarly, you may want to familiarize yourself with Article 1, Section 8, which provides Congress the power to tax only for “…general Welfare…,” omitting and, thereby, excluding any power to tax for individual welfare, specific welfare, charity or redistribution of wealth. The same Article providing Congress the power to regulate only, and nothing more than, money, commerce and land and naval forces.
Your entire American communism welfare state is unconstitutional.
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Quite the contrary…..Republicans are insisting our Election systems, procedures, and equipment are safe, secure, reliable, and accurate.
That should be something the Democrats should embrace as well.
Would you rather win after an independent third party forensic audit that confirms that to be the case….and thus provide for there to be no valid dissent as to the outcome or would you rather continue down the path denying such review and. have half the Nation’s population believing the Fraud and Corruption being alleged is true and providing for a motivation to reject the results?
Face it….the Democrats have never gotten over Bush-Gore…..and certainly have not accepted the fact Trump won….and that was without any challenge to the way the result came to be in 2016….just the outcome is what they shall never accept.
Now add all of the problems in 2020….which are real…true…and devastating to credibility of the results.
Do. you think we are going to accept the election as being legitimate…..ever?
KS ; I could have hardly stated it better. Animal farm is where this country is headed under the zeig heil demoratzi march. Just this week nancy and her drones have ushered in more insanity by adopting gender neutral language nonsense into the congress in a stupid gesture of solidarity to insanity. They may as well said something as insane as “some humans are more equal than others”…for which it’s no small leap to know that they actually think this way. They’re collective actions betray them.
It will be Democrats, in partnership with Big Tech, who usher in 1984 and Animal Farm
It was Americans like you, your offspring, your relatives, your neighbors, your community, your neighboring states, all those Americans who turned away from natural law, and more importantly, the exercise of forming consciences. Americans turned to their pride, their “rights”, their slothfulness, and turned against their responsibilities to their neighbors, to evangelize first by example, then by word.
The fact is America has gotten what it deserved. Sorry but this is all on you, Karen (and Americans at large). Stop passing the buck.
PASTORAL CONSTITUTION ON THE CHURCH IN THE MODERN WORLD
GAUDIUM ET SPES
16. In the depths of his conscience, man detects a law which he does not impose upon himself, but which holds him to obedience. Always summoning him to love good and avoid evil, the voice of conscience when necessary speaks to his heart: do this, shun that. For man has in his heart a law written by God; to obey it is the very dignity of man; according to it he will be judged.(9) Conscience is the most secret core and sanctuary of a man. There he is alone with God, Whose voice echoes in his depths.(10) In a wonderful manner conscience reveals that law which is fulfilled by love of God and neighbor.(11) In fidelity to conscience, Christians are joined with the rest of men in the search for truth, and for the genuine solution to the numerous problems which arise in the life of individuals from social relationships. Hence the more right conscience holds sway, the more persons and groups turn aside from blind choice and strive to be guided by the objective norms of morality. Conscience frequently errs from invincible ignorance without losing its dignity. The same cannot be said for a man who cares but little for truth and goodness, or for a conscience which by degrees grows practically sightless as a result of habitual sin.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_cons_19651207_gaudium-et-spes_en.html
Estoovir, doo you believe in freedom of religion?
Do you accept that the US isn’t a Christian country?
Sorry for the typo with your name.
Sorry for the typo with your name.
No offense.
Estovir is Latin for “be a man”. When I discovered this legal blog in 2019, I was immediately attacked by Peter Hill (today’s Svelaz/pink Anonymous), Anon (today’s Joe Friday), and the usual trolls for supposedly using a Russian name. Peter mistakenly stated “estovir” is a slavic name which “proved” I was part of the Russian troll farm narrative. It really opened my eyes as to the grammar school “thinking” of these agitators.
Since I am not a lawyer, I made few comments initially. In time I came to realize that the more frequent commenters aren’t attorneys either, but rather a group of paid trolls ala David Brock agiprops which the passage of time continues to prove as such. Comically when I would return to the blog every few days, Peter was continually seeing Estovir behind every comment, thinking I was driving many of the comments on here even if I had not visited in days or weeks. Soon the conservative regulars on here would poke fun at him, stating that Peter was infatuated or anxiety driven about Estovir.
One and a half years later, Peter has adopted literally scores of avatar profiles but continues his whiny trail of grammar school taunts against anyone (reminiscent of a dog taking a leak on a fire hydrant). Thus whether I post or not post, it appears the influence of “estovir”, as a non-lawyer, has really irked the David Brock trolls. I find it all fascinating and indicative of the deep pathology of our nation.
As for my real name, my true identity, etc, only Mespo knows that since he and I spoke on the phone twice to discuss possibly retaining him for legal services. Estovir is from my Jesuit background, one driven into the minds of young boys by Jesuit priests when we were in high school. Given the trajectory of “men” today, I find it a fitting tool of evangelization, something that escapes Peter / Enoch / Seth / John Burgoyne / Svelaz, etc ad nauseam
NB: the US was founded on Christian principles and our laws were established with assistance from Canon Law. Thus my quote from Gaudium et Spes stands
Biden won only 509 counties in 2020.
Obama won 873 counties in 2008.
President Donald J. Trump won 2,547 counties in 2020.
TRUMP WON!
@ 4:30
https://twitter.com/i/status/1344867453915029504
TRUMP LOST!
Counties don’t vote. People vote. The Electoral College elected Biden, and Biden will be inaugurated on Jan. 20. So sad for your loss (not really).
More then half of the US population lives in 4.6% of counties. Your stats do not mean anything. Biden got more EC votes and thus won.
“As Ohio goes, so goes the nation.”
Trump won Ohio.
You are correct.
The election was corrupted and tampered with in key locations.
It was a clean election and you know that, so what are you trying to do? Do you just hate our country? Are you so much in the Trump cult that you can not even think? I really don’t understand Trumpers, he is not worth destroying a country over.
It was not a clean election…hell a sewer is cleaner than this past election…and you well know this Ms Antifa. Do you just hate our country , are you so much of a zeig heil biden bot you can not even think or do math rationally ? .So what are you trying to do ?. I really don’t understand reality deniers that think it worth destroying our country over by insisting party over truth , party over people , party over freedoms. But yet here you are like a good little brown shirt doing the party’s bidding as a vacant shill..
“It was a clean election, and you know that…”
Actually, Molly, there’s enough doubt about the results in a few key Democratically controlled areas to give one pause as to the legitimacy of the election results. The latest attempt at research in a couple of said areas can be found in a report by John Lott. You can take a look here for at least the abstract:
“A Simple Test for the Extent of Vote Fraud with Absentee Ballots in the 2020 Presidential Election: Georgia and Pennsylvania Data”
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3756988
If you join SSRN (free account) you can download the entire report (25 pages long).
That is not what you were saying in 2016…..and have not accepted the EC system when Hillary lost….and you now want to do away with it as you know without it there is no hope for the vast majority of the people in the country having any say over the results without it.
On the contrary, without the EC, the majority of the people in the country will determine who becomes president.
Ol Babs… she was a real CA charm. Her head was sooo big they had to make her doorways extra large.
Antifa is warming up. It appears that Portland has essentially become a practice facility.
“Portland Ends 2020 With Violence as Rioters Destroy Businesses and Throw Firebombs at Police”
https://www.ntd.com/portland-ends-2020-with-violence-as-rioters-destroy-businesses-and-throw-firebombs-at-police_547713.html
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The voters of Portland elect idiots and re-elect them. Our sympathy should be with people in Portland who did not ask for this.
The Left does not operate from a strategy of lunge and parry. For them it is lunge, riposte, skewer till they dismember their opponents. Consider the leftist trolls Svelaz, Joe Friday, etc increasing their activities on this forum. They have no intention of letting up.
Touche.
Real bouts are so fast that it’s hard for me to follow the conversation.
Those rioters were Proud Boys.
https://www.koin.com/news/protests/salem-protest-unrest-state-capitol-oregon-demonstrations01012021/
(music to tune of Henry The Eighth I am I am)
I’m a Public on the 8th I am.
Con man the 8th I am I am!
I got Congress to puke on the floor.
Each one got five dollars or more..